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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: JB GTI on 07 October 2017, 12:47
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Can anyone that has specced Lane Assist with Dynamic Light Assist on the Mk 7.5 confirm if there are any differences between their headlights and the standard Headlights with Dynamic Cornering Function?
Photos of both would be great.
I am a bit confused as to why, If the Headlights on both are Led they also have the headlight wash fitted too on all the cars I have seen which would suggest they are Xenon’s not Led ???
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Don't all GTi's, GTD's and R's come with the headlight washers now? It's part of the winter pack that became standard a couple of years back.
The GTE doesn't get the winter pack as standard and therefore no headlight washers are fitted unless you go for the GTE Advance model.
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Good point !
That could explain the headlight washer part but still would like to know if there are physical differences between the headlights :smiley:
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Good point !
That could explain the headlight washer part but still would like to know if there are physical differences between the headlights :smiley:
Don't think they actually look different as in the headlight unit is the same but the when the headlights are on there are 2 main beams rather just one.
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I have standard bendy led lights on mine. You get washers.
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Can anyone that has specced Lane Assist with Dynamic Light Assist on the Mk 7.5 confirm if there are any differences between their headlights and the standard Headlights with Dynamic Cornering Function?
Photos of both would be great.
I am a bit confused as to why, If the Headlights on both are Led they also have the headlight wash fitted too on all the cars I have seen which would suggest they are Xenon’s not Led ???
hmmm... my car is LED with headlight washers.
I have Dynamic Light Assist on my car. It is amazing, but... I think it is more... semi-automatic!
This video is quite good - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOSLMs5Pma8
It really is like driving with the full beam on all the time, but...
... sometimes I can see a car coming that I know the system will not detect so I dip the lights. As soon as the car is in view of the camera I switch back to dynamic lights and it is like driving with full beam on all the time. Not sure what the other drivers think of it, but I have only been flashed a couple of times - when I should have taken control and dipped!
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Can anyone that has specced Lane Assist with Dynamic Light Assist on the Mk 7.5 confirm if there are any differences between their headlights and the standard Headlights with Dynamic Cornering Function?
Photos of both would be great.
I am a bit confused as to why, If the Headlights on both are Led they also have the headlight wash fitted too on all the cars I have seen which would suggest they are Xenon’s not Led ???
hmmm... my car is LED with headlight washers.
I have Dynamic Light Assist on my car. It is amazing, but... I think it is more... semi-automatic!
This video is quite good - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOSLMs5Pma8
It really is like driving with the full beam on all the time, but...
... sometimes I can see a car coming that I know the system will not detect so I dip the lights. As soon as the car is in view of the camera I switch back to dynamic lights and it is like driving with full beam on all the time. Not sure what the other drivers think of it, but I have only been flashed a couple of times - when I should have taken control and dipped!
If it is calibrated right you should never need to dip the lights yourself.
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If it is calibrated right you should never need to dip the lights yourself.
There are 3 situations that I have discovered so far when I prefer to dip.
1. Junctions - If a car is stopped at a junction the camera will not see their lights. The system had dipped the middle for the car I was following, but it did not dip the left side. I could see the poor driver sitting in the car fully lit up.
2. Distance - I have been flashed by cars in the far distance. As it says in that video the system probably has a limited range.
3. Sharp bends - on a twisty country road, when I see the bend illuminated by the headlight of another car, I prefer to dip before the bend. The car will only dip when it sees the headlights. It is fast, but the other driver will be looking at my full beam for half a second.
Then there are 3 situations that I'm not sure about.
1. Lorries, vans, 4x4 - if they are over the brow of a hill, the camera cannot see the lights. My lights will almost certainly be blinding the driver.
2. Cars with only 1 light.
3. Motorbikes.
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Other drivers must notice the dancing light show that is Dynamic Light Assist and wonder what is going on. I'm sure it must be confusing for them. The majority of drivers are probably not aware of theses headlight systems and what they can do.
Here are some examples of things other drivers will notice -
On the motorway the left side was high beam and the middle and right were dipped beam. This means that all the signs were fully illuminated for a mile down the road. Drivers in front and behind would have seen this too. It would look as if someone was driving with high beam on.
When driving behind another car I can see the hedges and trees to the left and right of that car fully illuminated. If they look out their side windows they will see it too. It is the same when a car is coming towards me. This really helps to see exactly where the verges are. I find this makes other headlights less dazzling. The other drivers must see this too and it probably helps them aswell.
On another occasion I was driving behind a car on a slight bend I could see that my lights were lighting up the road in front of them. I'm not sure if their lights were poor or they were driving with dipped lights. As the road straightened out I could see with my headlights that the road ahead was clear for overtaking.
It is early days yet, but I have also found that other cars fog lights don't bother me anymore. I just hope my lights are not bothering other people.
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There are also some situations when I have to take control and activate high beam -
1. At a junction - DLA will automatically dip even if there are no other cars. Then DLA does activate until 40mph.
2. Leaving a 30 - DLA does not activate until 40mph.
3. Junctions with street lights - DLA will automatically dip when the camera detects street lights.
Like I said... they are semi-automatic lights!
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I would get it checked out, it should block out a motorbike and mine did. Probably covered 30-40k miles at night and I never had to manually dip the lights.
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I would get it checked out, it should block out a motorbike and mine did. Probably covered 30-40k miles at night and I never had to manually dip the lights.
... I wasn't sure about motorbikes. How does it cope with cars with 1 light?
Like I explained earlier, there are several situations when I manually operate the lights. I don't have to, I just prefer to, so there is less chance of my lights blinding other drivers.
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I would get it checked out, it should block out a motorbike and mine did. Probably covered 30-40k miles at night and I never had to manually dip the lights.
... I wasn't sure about motorbikes. How does it cope with cars with 1 light?
Like I explained earlier, there are several situations when I manually operate the lights. I don't have to, I just prefer to, so there is less chance of my lights blinding other drivers.
Same way it deals with motorbikes. Just because it's a motorbike it doesn't make the blanked out bit thinner, it is the same width as it is for a car.
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Same way it deals with motorbikes. Just because it's a motorbike it doesn't make the blanked out bit thinner, it is the same width as it is for a car.
When the headlights come on, they have a start up routine. This clearly shows that the car can make the centre U shape shadow/blank/dip as wide or narrow as is needed. The routine starts with full beam then shows a narrow shadow in the middle which widens and narrows again.
When I follow other cars/lorries the left and right high beams certainly do appear quite close at all distances. So the system is definitely adjusting the width according to the lights the camera is detecting.
When the camera sees 1 light - perhaps the system will allow that it could be a motorbike/car/lorry with one light and widen the dipped area 1 lorry width either side of the light. As it will have no way of determining size/distance - maybe it just gives the maximum size centre blank/dip. Or maybe it just does a full dip. :undecided:
What I have noticed is that the car will often do a full dip. Then raise the left and/or right high beam when it has determined it is safe to do so.
Several of the local farmers have yard lights that are close to the road. I have learned that I need to manually activate full beam if I want to avoid the car dipping.
It is a great system, but it is not perfect.
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Can anyone that has specced Lane Assist with Dynamic Light Assist on the Mk 7.5 confirm if there are any differences between their headlights and the standard Headlights with Dynamic Cornering Function?
Photos of both would be great.
I am a bit confused as to why, If the Headlights on both are Led they also have the headlight wash fitted too on all the cars I have seen which would suggest they are Xenon’s not Led ???
To fully answer the original questions -
Yes, the standard LED and Dynamic LED lights look the same.
LED and the previous Xenons are very bright lights. Because of this they are required to have an automatic levelling system, headlight washers + larger reservoir + washer fluid level indicator.
There are no Xenons in the new cars.
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At first glance Dynamic Light Assist does not appear to be in the Owner's Manual. It is not in the index. I found it under Main Beam Control p107.
System Limits
The system has to be manually switched off under the following conditions, as it is not switched off by the main beam assist in time or not at all:
- In poorly lit streets where there are highly reflective signs.
- There are other road users with insufficient lighting facilities, such as pedestrians, cyclists.
- In tight bends, brows of hills or depressions in the land or half-hidden oncoming traffic.
- With oncoming traffic on streets with central barrier where the driver can clearly see over the central barrier e.g. truck drivers.
- In fog, snow or heavy rain.
- In dusty or sandy areas. :huh:
- ... damaged...
- ... dirty...
- ... broken...
WARNING
- Do not let the extra convenience afforded by main beam control tempt you into taking any risks when driving - this can cause accidents. The system is not a substitute for the full concentration of the driver.
- Always check the lights yourself and adjust them to the prevailing conditions for lights, vision and road traffic.
- The main beam control may not be able to recognise all driving situations correctly and may not work properly in certain situations.
- blah, blah... dirty, covered, damaged...
I guess I should have read this and not just used trial and error :embarrassed:
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Can anyone that has specced Lane Assist with Dynamic Light Assist on the Mk 7.5 confirm if there are any differences between their headlights and the standard Headlights with Dynamic Cornering Function?
Photos of both would be great.
I am a bit confused as to why, If the Headlights on both are Led they also have the headlight wash fitted too on all the cars I have seen which would suggest they are Xenon’s not Led ???
To fully answer the original questions -
Yes, the standard LED and Dynamic LED lights look the same.
LED and the previous Xenons are very bright lights. Because of this they are required to have an automatic levelling system, headlight washers + larger reservoir + washer fluid level indicator.
There are no Xenons in the new cars.
LED lights don't require washers.
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Same way it deals with motorbikes. Just because it's a motorbike it doesn't make the blanked out bit thinner, it is the same width as it is for a car.
When the headlights come on, they have a start up routine. This clearly shows that the car can make the centre U shape shadow/blank/dip as wide or narrow as is needed. The routine starts with full beam then shows a narrow shadow in the middle which widens and narrows again.
When I follow other cars/lorries the left and right high beams certainly do appear quite close at all distances. So the system is definitely adjusting the width according to the lights the camera is detecting.
When the camera sees 1 light - perhaps the system will allow that it could be a motorbike/car/lorry with one light and widen the dipped area 1 lorry width either side of the light. As it will have no way of determining size/distance - maybe it just gives the maximum size centre blank/dip. Or maybe it just does a full dip. :undecided:
What I have noticed is that the car will often do a full dip. Then raise the left and/or right high beam when it has determined it is safe to do so.
Several of the local farmers have yard lights that are close to the road. I have learned that I need to manually activate full beam if I want to avoid the car dipping.
It is a great system, but it is not perfect.
Driving behind a motorbike for about 7 miles or so and it stayed the same width the whole time.
The little dance that they do motors doing their thing, the only time it will narrow the blanked out bit is when the car in front is hundreds of yards away but when your meeting a car it will only narrow to a certain point which is the same for either a car or bike but if there is two cars in a row meeting you then it will widen it.
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LED lights don't require washers.
https://www.carlightblog.com/2013/10/22/a-clean-beam-the-purpose-of-the-headlamp-washer-system/
"It is a widespread fallacy that headlamp washers are only compulsory for xenon lights. This is wrong on several counts. The latest generation of xenon, the 25-Watt version, doesn’t actually need one at all. Meanwhile, halogen and LED headlamps do need one if their light sources emit more than 2000 lumens. Indeed, this is required for ECE approval."
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Driving behind a motorbike for about 7 miles or so and it stayed the same width the whole time.
The little dance that they do motors doing their thing, the only time it will narrow the blanked out bit is when the car in front is hundreds of yards away but when your meeting a car it will only narrow to a certain point which is the same for either a car or bike but if there is two cars in a row meeting you then it will widen it.
I had a look at some videos on youtube. During the headlight start-up routine the new cars appear to blank off a wider area. I wonder have they changed it. Or maybe the routine doesn't show the full range on the original cars. :undecided:
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LED lights don't require washers.
https://www.carlightblog.com/2013/10/22/a-clean-beam-the-purpose-of-the-headlamp-washer-system/
"It is a widespread fallacy that headlamp washers are only compulsory for xenon lights. This is wrong on several counts. The latest generation of xenon, the 25-Watt version, doesn’t actually need one at all. Meanwhile, halogen and LED headlamps do need one if their light sources emit more than 2000 lumens. Indeed, this is required for ECE approval."
Golf models in the mk7.5 model range that don’t have LED headlamps as standard don’t include headlamp washers as part of the LED headlamp option. You only get headlamp washers with the winter pack. This is also the same with the new Polo. So presumably, the light source emitted is less than 2,000 lumens?
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So presumably, the light source emitted is less than 2,000 lumens?
Looks like they must be or they would have to have headlight washers.
Everyday is a school day :cool:
I wonder do the headlights have different part numbers?
My LED headlights certainly look brighter than my old Xenons. So I doubt if the light output is less than 2000 lumens on the performance Golf's.
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I can't find a replacement bulb set for the LED headlights to see what the spec is...
I guess you don't replace the bulbs...
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I found this post on another forum (so no source). It does seem to explain why LED headlights don't need to be as bright as Xenon. So my new LED headlights are probably less bright than my old Xenons. However, the light produced allows my eyes to see clearer at night. :huh: It also explains why cars with LED headlights don't need fog lights.
"Xenons are brighter. But please do not necessarily correlate brighter with better performance for night time driving.
It's all about lumens (brightness) and colour temperature (white, blue, purple, orange etc - measured in kelvins).
Xenon run at around 4,000 kelvins which is a yellow / off white colour. LED runs usually at around 6,000 kelvins which is very white and provide a colour which is more representing of daylight (which the human eye is naturally the most comfortable with).
Xenons run brighter at circa 3,300 lumens vs circa 2,500 lumens for LED's. So again, Xenon is brighter.
However, LED provides a better light return (less dazzaling) from objects and therefore are better suited to the human eye (this is very true of road signs). This means clarity of objects in your field of view is better than xenons as the return light is whiter. More lumens do indeed light further down the road but due to the more yellow nature of the Xenon colour temperature, they don't necessarily pick out objects as clearly as LED's. LED's therefore are much better in foggy conditions too (hence why LED equipped cars have no fog lights)."
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I found this post on another forum (so no source). It does seem to explain why LED headlights don't need to be as bright as Xenon. So my new LED headlights are probably less bright than my old Xenons. However, the light produced allows my eyes to see clearer at night. :huh: It also explains why cars with LED headlights don't need fog lights.
"Xenons are brighter. But please do not necessarily correlate brighter with better performance for night time driving.
It's all about lumens (brightness) and colour temperature (white, blue, purple, orange etc - measured in kelvins).
Xenon run at around 4,000 kelvins which is a yellow / off white colour. LED runs usually at around 6,000 kelvins which is very white and provide a colour which is more representing of daylight (which the human eye is naturally the most comfortable with).
Xenons run brighter at circa 3,300 lumens vs circa 2,500 lumens for LED's. So again, Xenon is brighter.
However, LED provides a better light return (less dazzaling) from objects and therefore are better suited to the human eye (this is very true of road signs). This means clarity of objects in your field of view is better than xenons as the return light is whiter. More lumens do indeed light further down the road but due to the more yellow nature of the Xenon colour temperature, they don't necessarily pick out objects as clearly as LED's. LED's therefore are much better in foggy conditions too (hence why LED equipped cars have no fog lights)."
But the Golf has LED headlights and is fitted with LED fog-lights....
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Mk7.5's only don't have fogs if VW UK forget to spec them :)
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But the Golf has LED headlights and is fitted with LED fog-lights....
Did you miss FOG-gate? Some early Mk7.5 cars came without fog lights.
But yes, if your car is fitted with LED headlights you don't actually need fog lights.
This was discussed on another thread about fog lights. It was discovered that the issue with fog is not light penetration it is glare. Glare is caused by the blue portion of the light spectrum. If you look at a blue neon light at night it will always look blurry. This is because the shorter wavelength of the blue light as it passes through your eye causes it to focus in front of your retina. When the other colours of the spectrum are present to produce white light - the blue light manifested itself as glare.
It has been found that LED lights produce less glare.
If you read that last article I linked to about headlight washers: it says the reason for headlight washers is primarily to reduce glare for other road users. Of course they do this by cleaning your headlights. :huh:
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More thoughts on headlights -
My Mk6 GTD had Xenon headlights with dynamic curve lighting and they were very good. Though I did think when I saw other cars with the same lights that the dip was a little dazzling.
My wife's A3 has newer Xenon headlights and I thought they were even better than the GTD. However, on the few occasions at night when she was following my car or I met her on the road they were quite dazzling. I can see why she complains about getting flashed. It's not just our A3. I find that many of the Audi Xenon headlights when dipped are quite dazzling.
I was worried that my new headlights would be just as dazzling. Though I must say I can't remember being bothered by Mk7 Xenon headlights. I haven't driven enough at night yet to see the new headlights lights on other cars. Though if the claims are true about the LED's they should be less dazzling. :cool:
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LED lights don't require washers.
https://www.carlightblog.com/2013/10/22/a-clean-beam-the-purpose-of-the-headlamp-washer-system/
"It is a widespread fallacy that headlamp washers are only compulsory for xenon lights. This is wrong on several counts. The latest generation of xenon, the 25-Watt version, doesn’t actually need one at all. Meanwhile, halogen and LED headlamps do need one if their light sources emit more than 2000 lumens. Indeed, this is required for ECE approval."
As you said in a later post every day is a learning day and today you learned that you are not always right :whistle:
I've been in a neighbour's 2017 Mercedes CLA with led lights and they are much brighter than the lights on the Mk7.5 and guess what, no headlight washers.
Btw when you said that led lights don't need fog light, either does xenon or halogen lights.
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LED lights don't require washers.
https://www.carlightblog.com/2013/10/22/a-clean-beam-the-purpose-of-the-headlamp-washer-system/
"It is a widespread fallacy that headlamp washers are only compulsory for xenon lights. This is wrong on several counts. The latest generation of xenon, the 25-Watt version, doesn’t actually need one at all. Meanwhile, halogen and LED headlamps do need one if their light sources emit more than 2000 lumens. Indeed, this is required for ECE approval."
As you said in a later post every day is a learning day and today you learned that you are not always right :whistle:
I think if your read that article again it says that you are wrong. :whistle:
The jury is still out on whether the LED lights on the Golf are above 2000 lumens. Maybe washers are just fitted as part of the winter pack. Though I'm surprised that VW didn't delete them to save costs if they were not required.
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Lots and lots of information on car headlights on this link - http://greyhead.co.uk/are-aftermarket-hid-lights-legal-in-the-uk (http://greyhead.co.uk/are-aftermarket-hid-lights-legal-in-the-uk)
"So, these laws say you must have washers and automatic levelling only if the light source is more than 2,000 lumens total output, or the light is produced by LEDs (of any brightness), according to (b), above." :huh:
That article is March 2015. Has the law on LED headlights changed already?
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LED lights don't require washers.
https://www.carlightblog.com/2013/10/22/a-clean-beam-the-purpose-of-the-headlamp-washer-system/
"It is a widespread fallacy that headlamp washers are only compulsory for xenon lights. This is wrong on several counts. The latest generation of xenon, the 25-Watt version, doesn’t actually need one at all. Meanwhile, halogen and LED headlamps do need one if their light sources emit more than 2000 lumens. Indeed, this is required for ECE approval."
As you said in a later post every day is a learning day and today you learned that you are not always right :whistle:
I think if your read that article again it says that you are wrong. :whistle:
The jury is still out on whether the LED lights on the Golf are above 2000 lumens. Maybe washers are just fitted as part of the winter pack. Though I'm surprised that VW didn't delete them to save costs if they were not required.
Washers are because of the Winter Pack.
The Golf GTE has LED headlights, and because there's no Winter Pack as standard it doesn't come with headlight washers. The GTE Advance model has washers because it gets the Winter Pack.
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Even back in 2014 the Peugeot 308 GT came as standard with led lights and no headlight washers.
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LED lights don't require washers.
https://www.carlightblog.com/2013/10/22/a-clean-beam-the-purpose-of-the-headlamp-washer-system/
"It is a widespread fallacy that headlamp washers are only compulsory for xenon lights. This is wrong on several counts. The latest generation of xenon, the 25-Watt version, doesn’t actually need one at all. Meanwhile, halogen and LED headlamps do need one if their light sources emit more than 2000 lumens. Indeed, this is required for ECE approval."
As you said in a later post every day is a learning day and today you learned that you are not always right :whistle:
I think if your read that article again it says that you are wrong. :whistle:
The jury is still out on whether the LED lights on the Golf are above 2000 lumens. Maybe washers are just fitted as part of the winter pack. Though I'm surprised that VW didn't delete them to save costs if they were not required.
Don't suppose the article could be wrong could it. :rolleyes:
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Don't suppose the article could be wrong could it. :rolleyes:
Is doesn't appear so -
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:42011X1206(03) (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:42011X1206(03))
"6.2.9. Other requirements
The requirements of paragraph 5.5.2 shall not apply to dipped-beam headlamps.
Dipped-beam headlamps with a light source or LED module(s) producing the principal dipped beam and having a total objective luminous flux which exceeds 2 000 lumen shall only be installed in conjunction with the installation of headlamp cleaning device(s) according to Regulation No 45 (12).
With respect to vertical inclination the provisions of paragraph 6.2.6.2.2 above shall not be applied for dipped-beam headlamps:
(a) with LED module(s) producing the principal dipped beam; or
(b) with a light source producing the principal dipped beam and having an objective luminous flux which exceeds 2 000 lumen."
My parents new Merc has LED head lights and I don't think they have headlight washers. I wonder how Mercedes have gotten around the EU regulations.
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Don't suppose the article could be wrong could it. :rolleyes:
Is doesn't appear so -
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:42011X1206(03) (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:42011X1206(03))
My parents new Merc has LED head lights and I don't think they have headlight washers. I wonder how Mercedes have gotten around the EU regulations.
Merc these don't seem to, my last car was current shape W205 C Class with LED headlights and no washers and guy at work has new E Class which is the same.
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Don't suppose the article could be wrong could it. :rolleyes:
Is doesn't appear so -
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:42011X1206(03) (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:42011X1206(03))
"6.2.9. Other requirements
The requirements of paragraph 5.5.2 shall not apply to dipped-beam headlamps.
Dipped-beam headlamps with a light source or LED module(s) producing the principal dipped beam and having a total objective luminous flux which exceeds 2 000 lumen shall only be installed in conjunction with the installation of headlamp cleaning device(s) according to Regulation No 45 (12).
With respect to vertical inclination the provisions of paragraph 6.2.6.2.2 above shall not be applied for dipped-beam headlamps:
(a) with LED module(s) producing the principal dipped beam; or
(b) with a light source producing the principal dipped beam and having an objective luminous flux which exceeds 2 000 lumen."
My parents new Merc has LED head lights and I don't think they have headlight washers. I wonder how Mercedes have gotten around the EU regulations.
I don't know how Mercedes(and all other manufactures do it) no wait could it be because we are not in mainland Europe? It's not rocket science :rolleyes:
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Don't suppose the article could be wrong could it. :rolleyes:
Is doesn't appear so -
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:42011X1206(03) (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:42011X1206(03))
"6.2.9. Other requirements
The requirements of paragraph 5.5.2 shall not apply to dipped-beam headlamps.
Dipped-beam headlamps with a light source or LED module(s) producing the principal dipped beam and having a total objective luminous flux which exceeds 2 000 lumen shall only be installed in conjunction with the installation of headlamp cleaning device(s) according to Regulation No 45 (12).
With respect to vertical inclination the provisions of paragraph 6.2.6.2.2 above shall not be applied for dipped-beam headlamps:
(a) with LED module(s) producing the principal dipped beam; or
(b) with a light source producing the principal dipped beam and having an objective luminous flux which exceeds 2 000 lumen."
My parents new Merc has LED head lights and I don't think they have headlight washers. I wonder how Mercedes have gotten around the EU regulations.
I don't know how Mercedes(and all other manufactures do it) no wait could it be because we are not in mainland Europe? It's not rocket science :rolleyes:
There's not even an empty cut out for a headlight washer so I doubt they fit them anywhere in Europe.
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I don't know how Mercedes(and all other manufactures do it) no wait could it be because we are not in mainland Europe? It's not rocket science :rolleyes:
So does the UK have it's own regulations regarding car headlights?
Are Mercedes manufacturing cars to meet UK regulations?
I though we were still part of the EU (for a few more months) and still bound by EU rules and regulations?
It may not be rocket surgery, but it doesn't make sense. I like things to make sense. :nerd:
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There's not even an empty cut out for a headlight washer so I doubt they fit them anywhere in Europe.
That makes sense. :cool:
I'm going to have a look at my parents Merc at the weekend.
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I don't know how Mercedes(and all other manufactures do it) no wait could it be because we are not in mainland Europe? It's not rocket science :rolleyes:
So does the UK have it's own regulations regarding car headlights?
And loads of other stuff car related as in when was the last time you drove on the right side of the road in the UK?
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I drive on the right side on the road in the UK all the time, I can't help it if Europe drive on the wrong side
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Maybe Mercedes use 1999 lumens lights...
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Oh and my GT has LED headlights without washers
Wonder if it's anything to do with the dynamic light thing or the projector LED or self levelling , maybe that stops the glare that now the newer cars don't need washers
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Even in Germany cars with led lights don't have washers.
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Even in Germany cars with led lights don't have washers.
Yet the regulations I provided a link to say that they should. So how are they getting around the regulations in Germany?
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Germans don't tend to end run around rules or ignore them, its kinda central to their culture.
Therefore the lights must be less lumens than the limit.
Someone find the replacement bulb set and check the rating ...
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My Polo GTI has LED headlamps and headlamp washers, and I don’t have the winter pack. Like the mk7.5 Golf, the all new Polo when fitted with LED headlamps doesn’t have headlamp washers, unless it has the winter pack fitted. So, I’ve concluded that;
- either the regulations that Diaz Auto refers to have changed so washers are no longer a requirement
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- as Fred has suggested, the current LED headlamp bulbs used by VW have a lumens rating of less than 2000.
I can’t get too excited about whether or not headlamp washers are fitted; my preference would be that they’re not, as IMO washer spray without wipers isn’t that effective at cleaning, and I find the spray up the bonnet and over the wings really annoying, especially when I’ve just cleaned my car!
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Germans don't tend to end run around rules or ignore them, its kinda central to their culture.
Therefore the lights must be less lumens than the limit.
Someone find the replacement bulb set and check the rating ...
It was probably the Germans that wrote the rules! Maybe the English translation is wrong. :undecided:
If I'm reading it right, I think that EU regulations actually say that all LED headlights should have a washer system fitted.
I have looked and can't find any headlight parts.
It really doesn't matter, but I'm still curious. The reason will probably come to light eventually. :huh: :grin:
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My Polo GTI has LED headlamps and headlamp washers, and I don’t have the winter pack.
It's beginning to appear a bit random and the Germans are not know for that either.
Did you consider that there may be 2 different LED bulbs with different wattages that produce different amounts of light. Or maybe the electrics provide different amounts of power. :undecided:
The regulations do say that the 2000 lumens only applies to the dip headlight lights. So if I'm comparing my headlights with the headlights on my parents Merc it would be for dipped beam only. I wonder does this all have something to do with the static cornering lights fitted to my Golf? This light is part of the headlight unit. So would this count as part of the dipped beam?
I know my parents Merc does not have this extra cornering light. This last winter, I was driving their new car on a narrow country lane at night. I noticed that it was difficult to see around tight bends. My wife's A3 has static cornering lights so I know what to look for. I checked and their Mercedes definitely doesn't have them.
Do any of the new Mercedes headlights have a static cornering lights?
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I wonder if it's to do with LED headlight bulbs, in the fact that LED bulbs are more that 2000 lumens and then shine into the mirrors of the headlight to make the pattern, whereas do LED headlights actually shine into a mirror pattern to make the beam or do they just shine forward so dirt on the glass would not change the pattern to make glare
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My Polo GTI has LED headlamps and headlamp washers, and I don’t have the winter pack. Like the mk7.5 Golf, the all new Polo when fitted with LED headlamps doesn’t have headlamp washers, unless it has the winter pack fitted. So, I’ve concluded that;
- either the regulations that Diaz Auto refers to have changed so washers are no longer a requirement
or
- as Fred has suggested, the current LED headlamp bulbs used by VW have a lumens rating of less than 2000.
I can’t get too excited about whether or not headlamp washers are fitted; my preference would be that they’re not, as IMO washer spray without wipers isn’t that effective at cleaning, and I find the spray up the bonnet and over the wings really annoying, especially when I’ve just cleaned my car!
Cars back in 2014 with led lights didn't need washers either.
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Happy days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EOjgd67u0M
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Happy days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EOjgd67u0M
i think you just won the internet
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Happy days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EOjgd67u0M
I used to get my friends to sit in my old 325i sport and use the washers so I could look at https://youtu.be/lJQd1QLkPAk
It was quite rare back in the early 90's and I loved them.
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I never realised there was so much to consider with headlights, important of course, but not perhaps the most obvious choice for such a long and in-depth discussion :wink:
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A couple of linked questions if I may...
I've noticed that the headlights on my 7.5 (no Dynamic Light Assist, so only outer beam working) are pretty poor on country roads. I never had to rely on full beam as much with my previous VW CC with Xenons, but now regret not choosing DLA on my GTI. I've got it booked in to check the range (it's not a quick under the bonnet adjustment with LEDs unfortunately) but get the feeling I'm going to be told the range is fine or it's because I'm slightly lowered (Eibach pro springs). Anyone else without DLA noticed anything at all?
So I was flicking through the light selector switch and there doesn't seem to be any difference from the front between "side lights" selected and "off" (both just run the front DRLs). Is that right? I was expecting there to actually be side lights :grin:
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A couple of linked questions if I may...
I've noticed that the headlights on my 7.5 (no Dynamic Light Assist, so only outer beam working) are pretty poor on country roads. I never had to rely on full beam as much with my previous VW CC with Xenons, but now regret not choosing DLA on my GTI. I've got it booked in to check the range (it's not a quick under the bonnet adjustment with LEDs unfortunately) but get the feeling I'm going to be told the range is fine or it's because I'm slightly lowered (Eibach pro springs). Anyone else without DLA noticed anything at all?
So I was flicking through the light selector switch and there doesn't seem to be any difference from the front between "side lights" selected and "off" (both just run the front DRLs). Is that right? I was expecting there to actually be side lights :grin:
It definitely is a quick under the bonnet adjustment with LEDs. Have a look on your headlights, you can raise and lower them using one of alan’s keys (though I forget which one).
If it’s any consolation I had to raise my dipped beam on my 7.5 a week after I took delivery because the range was dangerous, good job they checked them on the PDI :whistle:
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Can you alter the range via VCDS or do you just do it by turning the screw on the unit?
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Can you alter the range via VCDS or do you just do it by turning the screw on the unit?
I just did it using the screw. The way I thought about it was if a random MOT place needed to adjust them then that’s what they would use.
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That's great news, cheers. I did have a look at some mk7 guidance and couldn't find the screws but will have another look now I know it can be done. I'm glad it's not just me but I'm a bit worried it's taken me 10 months rather than a week haha!
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Can you alter the range via VCDS or do you just do it by turning the screw on the unit?
I just did it using the screw. The way I thought about it was if a random MOT place needed to adjust them then that’s what they would use.
Sweet, thanks