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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Daz Auto on 27 August 2017, 21:40
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Just after we set off today the fuel warning came on - 35 miles remaining.
On the Mk6 GTD it would come on with 50 miles remaining. I learned that the car would do another 30 if driven sensibly. Our A3 does something similar.
So anyway, I was not really worrying. I worked out that the car would read 0 miles just before I reached the Sainsbury's petrol station. On arrival, I noted the mileage and filled the car to the neck with Super Unleaded. When I looked at the pump it said 53.71L :shocked:
I was aware that the old MK6 had a 55L tank, but our A3 has a 50L tank. I checked the Golf brochure in case they changed tank size on the Mk7.5. It says the GTI Performance has a 50L tank. :huh:
I see 3 possibilities -
1. I was driving on fumes. This means the fuel gauge is completely accurate. :shocked:
2. The pump was wrong. :huh:
3. The tank is bigger than 50L. :undecided:
I'm guessing I was driving on fumes? :shocked:
Just in case anyone is interested: the mileage was 403, I calculate that to be 34mpg.
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I regularly get in excess of 50l on fill ups, I think it is actually 55l since I haven't ever run out of fuel...
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Most I got is 53.77 litres in my R , but it was showing 0 miles for at least 20 miles , so I'm guessing the gauge is only an estimate.
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could the extra few litres be the pipe to the tank or is that included within the tank size?
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I have seen in excess of 50L on my Clubsport when I fill up with just 5km remaining but I guess it's the reserve tank? Pretty sure the normal tank is 50L and that the fuel pump reads right.
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The tank is fifty, the pipe holds the rest
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Most I got is 53.77 litres in my R , but it was showing 0 miles for at least 20 miles , so I'm guessing the gauge is only an estimate.
Is far as I know the R has a 55L tank. So does the quattro A3/S3.
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No its only 50l in the R too but I have gotten 51-52 into it from empty... presumably there's room for a tad more in the pipe / reserve.
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The tank is fifty, the pipe holds the rest
I recall putting over 57L in the Mk 6 GTD 55L tank. So the pipe definitely holds a few litres.
The thing is I have never put more than 50L in our A3. Even when it has been driven past 0 miles remaining.
I regularly get in excess of 50l on fill ups, I think it is actually 55l since I haven't ever run out of fuel...
The manual just says 4wd 55L inc. 8L reserve, 2wd 50L inc. 5L reserve.
My GTI had just reached "0 miles remaining" and it took nearly 54L. Did I still have a few litres reserve?
Could the GTI Performance have a larger tank?
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No its only 50l in the R too but I have gotten 51-52 into it from empty... presumably there's room for a tad more in the pipe / reserve.
That is not what it says in the brochure or the manual.
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I've used OBDEleven to turn on the 'refuel amount' option in the dash display - be interesting to see how closely this predicts how much fuel it will take at the pump.
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No its only 50l in the R too but I have gotten 51-52 into it from empty... presumably there's room for a tad more in the pipe / reserve.
That is not what it says in the brochure or the manual.
(https://preview.ibb.co/knkpgk/Screen_Shot_2017_08_28_at_11_43_59.png) (https://ibb.co/cw44E5)
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I that a European spec car?
This is the UK brochure -
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/brochures/golf-vii-pa-brochure.pdf (http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/brochures/golf-vii-pa-brochure.pdf)
Page 63 - R 2.0 ltr TSI 310 PS 4MOTION - Fuel tank capacity, galls/ltrs 12/55
Owners Manual, page 326 - "Capacity of fuel tank - Petrol Engine - Four-wheel drive:approx 55l, of whick 8 l reserve."
Sorry I cant be bothered working out how to post screenshots or photos. :embarrassed:
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It's a screenshot from the Irish product guide.
We all know how unreliable brochures and the likes are. I must check my service book / manual, I'm sure that should have the accurate number.
Either way, even with 0 kms range left in the tank I've never got more than 52l into it.
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A few more thoughts on this -
On my Mk6 GTD the 8L reserve sounds right. The car did roughly 10 miles per litre. 50 miles remaining + 30 miles on empty.
I just had a look at the Audi manual for the A3. It has a 50L tank but a 7L reserve. This is good to know as I was telling my wife she had another 30 miles left, like my GTD, after 0 miles remaining :whistle: The car is more economical but I think 20 miles on empty should be the limit :embarrassed:
So as you can see in the examples above. Both cars indicate '0 miles remaining' with a few litres of the reserve remaining.
My GTI Performance indicated '0 miles remaining' just a few miles from the petrol station.
Either there is no reserve left and '0 miles remaining' means just that.
Or there is a few more litres in the tank meaning it is actually has to be a 55L tank.
I'm confused. :embarrassed:
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It's a screenshot from the Irish product guide.
We all know how unreliable brochures and the likes are. I must check my service book / manual, I'm sure that should have the accurate number.
Yeah, the brochure is wrong about the width of the 19 inch GTI tyres. IIRC they are 225 and not 235 as the brochure states.
Edit: changed the above to state 19 inch GTI tyres.
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It's a screenshot from the Irish product guide.
We all know how unreliable brochures and the likes are. I must check my service book / manual, I'm sure that should have the accurate number.
Yeah, the brochure is wrong about the width of the 19 inch tyres. IIRC they are 225 and not 235 as the brochure states.
The R's 19's come with 235's whereas for some reason a GTI on 19's are on 225's meaning that the side profile on GTI 19' tyres are a bit lower than those on the R.
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Another thought - if the GTI does 7 miles per litre, 35/7 = 5L. I'm starting to think I may have an 8L reserve and another 3L or around 20 miles in a 55L tank + pipe. :undecided:
Not sure how I would test this without the possibility of running out of fuel. Which I really don't want to do.
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All mk 7s have a 50litre fuel tank period! Mk6 and 5s had a 55 litre tank. The reduction in size is down to the mk7 being more fuel efficient so VW felt a smaller tank would save weight. You've got your tank, a reserve tank and also the length of the fuel filler pipe.
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I stand corrected. My manual (MK7 R) states that all petrol/diesel MK7 Golfs have a 50L tank but the 4WD variants (i.e. the R) has a 55L.
This is assuming the manual is any more accurate than their brochures of course.
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All mk 7s have a 50litre fuel tank period!
:rolleyes: Did you read "Reply #12" above? My manual and the Golf brochure (UK) say you are wrong! (see reply number 12 above for details).
So we know for a fact that some VAG cars have 55L tanks. The question is: as I put nearly 54L in my GTI Performance with almost no miles on empty/reserve, could the Performance Pack cars have the same 55L tank which is fitted in the Golf R?
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I stand corrected. My manual (MK7 R) states that all petrol/diesel MK7 Golfs have a 50L tank but the 4WD variants (i.e. the R) has a 55L.
This is assuming the manual is any more accurate than their brochures of course.
As I said earlier, the Audi A3/S3 quattro has the same 55L tank.
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All mk 7s have a 50litre fuel tank period!
:rolleyes: Did you read "Reply #12" above? My manual and the Golf brochure (UK) say you are wrong! (see reply number 12 above for details).
So we know for a fact that some VAG cars have 55L tanks. The question is: as I put nearly 54L in my GTI Performance with almost no miles on empty/reserve, could the Performance Pack cars have the same 55L tank which is fitted in the Golf R?
I would say very unlikely but who knows.
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All mk 7s have a 50litre fuel tank period!
:rolleyes: Did you read "Reply #12" above? My manual and the Golf brochure (UK) say you are wrong! (see reply number 12 above for details).
So we know for a fact that some VAG cars have 55L tanks. The question is: as I put nearly 54L in my GTI Performance with almost no miles on empty/reserve, could the Performance Pack cars have the same 55L tank which is fitted in the Golf R?
Why would you pay any attention to what the UK brochure says and yes I did read the post above thanks. What ambient temperature was it when you put your fuel in? Lots of things could have an effect on how much you can actually fill up
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Why would you pay any attention to what the UK brochure says and yes I did read the post above thanks. What ambient temperature was it when you put your fuel in? Lots of things could have an effect on how much you can actually fill up
What about the manual? Should we ignore it too?
omg... lol... @'What ambient temperature was it?'
Unusually for the UK, we actually had a very pleasant warmish weekend. I seem to recall saying to my wife, "look it is still 19.5C" just before I filled up at 8 o'clock on Sunday evening.
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I would say very unlikely but who knows.
It is just confusing me. I always like to know how far I can go on empty. I think I need to try a few different petrol stations, just to check if this is some sort of anomaly.
Here is the part of the receipt -
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Why would you pay any attention to what the UK brochure says and yes I did read the post above thanks. What ambient temperature was it when you put your fuel in? Lots of things could have an effect on how much you can actually fill up
What about the manual? Should we ignore it too?
omg... lol... @'What ambient temperature was it?'
Unusually for the UK, we actually had a very pleasant warmish weekend. I seem to recall saying to my wife, "look it is still 19.5C" just before I filled up at 8 o'clock on Sunday evening.
Are you some sort of know it all?? If it's cooler you'll be able to get more petrol in your tank than you would if it was warm. Why did you feel the need to make a stupid comment about the ambient temperature? You appear to have some sort of issue with other people commenting on your posts and that comment not being what you think is acceptable.
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Are you some sort of know it all?? If it's cooler you'll be able to get more petrol in your tank than you would if it was warm. Why did you feel the need to make a stupid comment about the ambient temperature? You appear to have some sort of issue with other people commenting on your posts and that comment not being what you think is acceptable.
... well lets see... you are clearly wrong that all Golf's have 50L tanks. Even though it was discussed and you were the second person to get it wrong.
Then you start discussing ambient temperature! You realise how insignificant ambient temperature would be! Especially in the UK where we have a moderate climate. Never mind the fact that the petrol is stored below the frost line where the temperature remains relatively constant all year. Seriously???
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Yeah, I thought this was obviously rubbish -
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2008/08/save-on-gas-with-morning-fill-ups-don-t-bet-on-it/index.htm (https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2008/08/save-on-gas-with-morning-fill-ups-don-t-bet-on-it/index.htm)
"But filling stations typically store their gasoline in underground tanks, where the temperature variation during the day is much less than in the air above. The result is that the temperature of the gasoline coming out of the fuel nozzle varies very little, if at all, during any 24-hour stretch at any particular station."
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I've used OBDEleven to turn on the 'refuel amount' option in the dash display - be interesting to see how closely this predicts how much fuel it will take at the pump.
Not very, mine was over a gallon out.
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Yeah, I thought this was obviously rubbish -
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2008/08/save-on-gas-with-morning-fill-ups-don-t-bet-on-it/index.htm (https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2008/08/save-on-gas-with-morning-fill-ups-don-t-bet-on-it/index.htm)
"But filling stations typically store their gasoline in underground tanks, where the temperature variation during the day is much less than in the air above. The result is that the temperature of the gasoline coming out of the fuel nozzle varies very little, if at all, during any 24-hour stretch at any particular station."
Hmm so you do have some serious issue then. What's the point in you asking a question on a forum when you obviously already know the answer. Must be marvelous being such a know all, how the winter nights must fly by in your house! Who really gives a toss what size fuel tank is on your car!! 😂😴😴
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Yeah, I thought this was obviously rubbish -
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2008/08/save-on-gas-with-morning-fill-ups-don-t-bet-on-it/index.htm (https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2008/08/save-on-gas-with-morning-fill-ups-don-t-bet-on-it/index.htm)
"But filling stations typically store their gasoline in underground tanks, where the temperature variation during the day is much less than in the air above. The result is that the temperature of the gasoline coming out of the fuel nozzle varies very little, if at all, during any 24-hour stretch at any particular station."
Hmm so you do have some serious issue then. What's the point in you asking a question on a forum when you obviously already know the answer. Must be marvelous being such a know all, how the winter nights must fly by in your house! Who really gives a toss what size fuel tank is on your car!! 😂😴😴
I never asked any questions about ambient temperatures and fuel. You brought that up. Even though you obviously had not thought about it or researched it. :rolleyes:
You also say you read the discussion on 55L tanks. Yet you failed to understand it or chose to ignore it. :undecided: Then you tried to defend your incorrect post. :rolleyes:
If you read my previous posts you will see why I asked the question. Which part of it do you not understand?
This is not the first time I thought you were completely failing to understand what was being discussed! Perhaps you should read more carefully what people are actually talking about, before you respond to their posts.
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Well thats blown up a bit, clam down guys.
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Well thats blown up a bit, clam down guys.
This is nothing. You should see my discussions with people on the Audi forums about their quattro system. :whistle:
Sadly, they usually resort to personal attacks too. :embarrassed:
Ho-hum.
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Personal attacks?? 😂😂 You asked the original question about the size of the fuel tank which if you'd bothered to Google or even search on here has been discussed many many times. When the performance golfs first arrived in 2013 the question was raised then about them all having reduced fuel tank sizes and again the same issues were raised that you have in this thread. In fact I think everyone came to the same conclusion back then and that was who cares!! 😴😴
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Would someone like to tell mcmaddy what the original question was. :rolleyes: I have to go to work.
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Well thats blown up a bit, clam down guys.
+1.
I was really surprised that a discussion thread on a subject like fuel gauge accuracy could cover 3+ pages when I looked this morning :shocked:
OP; I'm also surprised that anyone with a new car would play 'Russian roulette' with the fuel gauge and 'miles left to empty' range indicator, when they've had the car less than a month so are unlikely to know how accurate the gauge/indicator are. If fact you've said earlier in this thread that 0 miles may mean 0 miles - which was displayed before you reached your destination - and that you wouldn't want to run out of fuel;
My GTI Performance indicated '0 miles remaining' just a few miles from the petrol station.
Either there is no reserve left and '0 miles remaining' means just that.
Another thought - if the GTI does 7 miles per litre, 35/7 = 5L. I'm starting to think I may have an 8L reserve and another 3L or around 20 miles in a 55L tank + pipe. :undecided:
Not sure how I would test this without the possibility of running out of fuel. Which I really don't want to do.
A car such as a Golf GTI performance is a great car and one to be driven and enjoyed, not spend hours or days arguing about discussing what in my opinion is a first world problem. My solution;
- fuel gauge drops to 1/4 full; go and refuel to eliminate the risk of running out of fuel
- if you think the fuel retailer's pumps might be reading the incorrect amount of fuel dispensed; use a different filling station
Doesn't answer your original question, but as I've said, first world problem, and there are far more important things to spend time on.
Has this thread now run it's course?................probably not :whistle:
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It had probably ran its course after the first post! Couldn't agree more with your assessment SRGTD.
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Well thats blown up a bit, clam down guys.
This is nothing. You should see my discussions with people on the Audi forums about their quattro system. :whistle:
Sadly, they usually resort to personal attacks too. :embarrassed:
Ho-hum.
But why argue, if you don't agree make your point once and move on because life's too short. I'll stand my corner as good as the best of them but not on a forum about cars that we all love/like or in my case hated until i got everything sorted and where you're probably not going to ever meet 99% of the people on it.
Go and enjoy your new car while it is still new, later in the week it won't be anymore.
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OP; I'm also surprised that anyone with a new car would play 'Russian roulette' with the fuel gauge and 'miles left to empty' range indicator, when they've had the car less than a month so are unlikely to know how accurate the gauge/indicator are. If fact you've said earlier in this thread that 0 miles may mean 0 miles - which was displayed before you reached your destination - and that you wouldn't want to run out of fuel;
A car such as a Golf GTI performance is a great car and one to be driven and enjoyed, not spend hours or days arguing about discussing what in my opinion is a first world problem. My solution;
- fuel gauge drops to 1/4 full; go and refuel to eliminate the risk of running out of fuel
- if you think the fuel retailer's pumps might be reading the incorrect amount of fuel dispensed; use a different filling station
Doesn't answer your original question, but as I've said, first world problem, and there are far more important things to spend time on.
Has this thread now run it's course?................probably not :whistle:
As this is my third Golf and our other car is VAG - I really did not know I was playing "Russian Roulette." Like I said - I was shocked when I saw how much fuel went into the car. Hence this thread on a "GolfGTIforum".
After reading the "GolfGTIforum" I decide that it might be best to use Super Unleaded in my car. My local garage charges £1.32 for it. Sainsburys as you can see on my receipt was much cheaper. Given my previous experience of VAG cars, I did not consider for 1 second that I was taking a chance. Like I said I was shocked.
It would be nice to be able to drive my car all day long. However, that is just not practical. Sharing experience, opinions and knowledge on the "GolfGTIforum" with other owners and enthusiasts, is usually a pleasant way of passing the time until my next drive.
As for this thread - well I was looking for some answers. Unfortunately, it appears as if no one is able to help.
I understand other people don't care why my car appears to have no 'extra' fuel reserve, but I do. It would bug me not knowing. That is the way I am.
I was speaking to my dealer about something else today. When I mentioned how much fuel I put in the tank, he offered to check my vin number on their system and let me know what he finds.
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Are you sure you didn't spill some of the petrol on your shoes? (Kidding).
I filled up this morning. An R with supposedly the larger 55l tank. Range said I had 20kms (~15 miles) left. I only managed to squeeze 51l into it.
Tbh I'd suggest focusing on something else, and just fill up when the light comes on like 99.99% of us do.
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I just fill to the first click of the pump most of the time but then I am using the dreaded derv pump :grin:
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Daz has your local Sainsbury's pumps been checked recently for correct calibration? They could be delivering the incorrect amount of fuel. Does the same thing happen at other stations?
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Are you sure you didn't spill some of the petrol on your shoes? (Kidding).
I filled up this morning. An R with supposedly the larger 55l tank. Range said I had 20kms (~15 miles) left. I only managed to squeeze 51l into it.
Er, no. Though there had been a big spill at the pump just behind me. It was blocked with cones and there was sand everywhere.
If your R said 20km that's 12.5 miles. The R does 6-7 miles to a litre driven sensibly. That means your car would say 0 miles remain at 53L. I used to have a 55L tank and on a couple of occasions managed to put 57L into it. :whistle: So even at 0 miles remaining you should still be able to drive for say 4x6=24miles or roughly 40km extra reserve. This is just in theory of course.
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I just fill to the first click of the pump most of the time but then I am using the dreaded derv pump :grin:
It is really difficult to fill to the neck with the mis-fuel device on the A3. I gave up trying, but usually give it a couple of clicks.
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Daz has your local Sainsbury's pumps been checked recently for correct calibration? They could be delivering the incorrect amount of fuel. Does the same thing happen at other stations?
There was a sticker that said "independently tested by..." and I remember thinking the date was not long ago.
This is the first time I have completely filled up this car. It's only 3 weeks old.
Another factor may have been sitting in bumper-to-bumper bank holiday weekend traffic not long before. That could have caused more fuel to be used than the computer calculated. :undecided:
I will certainly be more careful next time.
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Oops I did it again :embarrassed:
Before you lot start ridiculing me again - it was not intentional.
Got the warning - 35 miles remaining. My journey was 30 miles. However, I had a message to do close to the petrol station and got delayed. So by the time I arrived the place had shut - 5 miles remaining. The next station was shut too. Car now reading 0 miles remaining. Drove 2 miles to a station I knew would be open. Filled the car to the brim. This time the tank took 53.44L.
This time I noticed that Active Info Display, digital fuel gauge, red warning area has 3 segments. The car was showing 0 miles remaining with 1 segment left. I didn't think that VW would have a car without an extra fuel reserve. That red segment has to be the extra fuel reserve.
I'm beginning to think my GTI actually has a 55L fuel tank. :huh:
Oh, and the odometer said 411 miles this time. So my fuel economy was 35mpg.