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Title: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI...now set number 6 in one year :)
Post by: Wide on 26 August 2017, 18:02
Have tried Bridgestone, Good Year and now continental in only 4 month and 3000km.  :sad:

Hope this is the right choice.. Didn´t dare to go to the Michelin PS4 because of the roadnoice.. :wink:

So Got the EVO winner , Conti 6!  :grin: :grin:

A litte movie about my problem.. :wink:

https://youtu.be/ieNlq5UtF4s (https://youtu.be/ieNlq5UtF4s)

(http://forumbilder.se/G9A7Q/dackproblem.JPG?width=150) (http://forumbilder.se/G9A7Q/dackproblem)

(http://forumbilder.se/G9ADQ/conti-6-beskar.jpg?width=150) (http://forumbilder.se/G9ADQ/conti-6-beskar)

Yes this was not the plan... :mad:

But hope i not need to change wheels this year..:rolleyes::D:D



https://youtu.be/6YJJ4xeb7mQ (http://"https://youtu.be/6YJJ4xeb7mQ")

Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Watts on 26 August 2017, 18:37
Another excellent video Wide and your car looking as well presented as ever :smiley: So what is your conclusion on the Conti 6? I will be changing all 4 tyres soon and was sold on the new Pirellis, have been recently swayed to the PS4S and now the Continentals which were my original choice before the Pirellis did so well on a test.
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: RDC on 26 August 2017, 19:42
I am running Goodyear Asymmetric 3 on 18" rims. I much prefer them to the Michelin Super Sport I was running previously on 19" Santiagos, much less tramping.

Not suffered any vibration problems with the Goodyears. 
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Booth11 on 26 August 2017, 20:00
Can't comment on PS4, but PS4S are very noticeably quieter than Conti 5Ps so if Conti 6 are the same as 5Ps in the noise stakes, then they will be noisier than PS4S.
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Wide on 26 August 2017, 20:18
Another excellent video Wide and your car looking as well presented as ever :smiley: So what is your conclusion on the Conti 6? I will be changing all 4 tyres soon and was sold on the new Pirellis, have been recently swayed to the PS4S and now the Continentals which were my original choice before the Pirellis did so well on a test.

Thanks!  :smiley:

I think the Conti is great!, i thought they would be to loud, but it is not as i was expected  :smiley:.
And the feeling is great, much better than the Potenza ande the Good year..

The PS4S is probably the better Track tire, but i want some comfort to.. :smiley:

I think i will bye some R tires to later .. :grin:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Wide on 26 August 2017, 20:21
I am running Goodyear Asymmetric 3 on 18" rims. I much prefer them to the Michelin Super Sport I was running previously on 19" Santiagos, much less tramping.

Not suffered any vibration problems with the Goodyears.

What is tramping?  :huh:. I liked the Goodyear but i had problem

But i don´t know if it was the tires. I got new wheels and tires on warrenty  :wink: :grin:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Wide on 26 August 2017, 20:24
Can't comment on PS4, but PS4S are very noticeably quieter than Conti 5Ps so if Conti 6 are the same as 5Ps in the noise stakes, then they will be noisier than PS4S.

I had Conti 5 on my Mk7, and think the Conti 6 is quiter.

But as i said, maybe the PS4S is better.. :huh:. I buy them next time if it´s the way.. :grin:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Booth11 on 26 August 2017, 21:25
Can't comment on PS4, but PS4S are very noticeably quieter than Conti 5Ps so if Conti 6 are the same as 5Ps in the noise stakes, then they will be noisier than PS4S.

I had Conti 5 on my Mk7, and think the Conti 6 is quiter.

But as i said, maybe the PS4S is better.. :huh:. I buy them next time if it´s the way.. :grin:

If the Conti 6's are quieter then they'll likely be on a par noise wise with the PS4S.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Daz Auto on 27 August 2017, 00:39
What is tramping?  :huh:.
Tramping or wheel hop, sometimes happens under hard acceleration. I had it happen several times on my last car. The front of the car vibrates badly as the front tyres hop/spin and the car struggles to move forward.

The Golf has an anti-tramp feature. However, Bridgestone have managed to make tyres that will defeat it! :rolleyes:

Did a long journey tonight, with 4 in the car. Shouting over the tyre roar was a PITA. Ordering 4 new PS4 tyres next week.
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: SRGTD on 27 August 2017, 06:50
Daz Auto, hope you have a good tyre fitter you can trust not to damage your new diamond cut alloys when fitting your new tyres.
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Wide on 27 August 2017, 07:41
What is tramping?  :huh:.
Tramping or wheel hop, sometimes happens under hard acceleration. I had it happen several times on my last car. The front of the car vibrates badly as the front tyres hop/spin and the car struggles to move forward.

The Golf has an anti-tramp feature. However, Bridgestone have managed to make tyres that will defeat it! :rolleyes:

Did a long journey tonight, with 4 in the car. Shouting over the tyre roar was a PITA. Ordering 4 new PS4 tyres next week.

Alright i understand!  :smiley:. But can a tire modell help with this problem?

I thought you have to change the Dogbone?!!  :smiley:

https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/)
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Wide on 27 August 2017, 07:45
Can't comment on PS4, but PS4S are very noticeably quieter than Conti 5Ps so if Conti 6 are the same as 5Ps in the noise stakes, then they will be noisier than PS4S.

I had Conti 5 on my Mk7, and think the Conti 6 is quiter.

But as i said, maybe the PS4S is better.. :huh:. I buy them next time if it´s the way.. :grin:

If the Conti 6's are quieter then they'll likely be on a par noise wise with the PS4S.  :smiley:

Think all the tires in this size are noisy  :grin:. But you are satisfied with the performace of the PS4S?.. :smiley:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: SRGTD on 27 August 2017, 07:50
What is tramping?  :huh:.
Tramping or wheel hop, sometimes happens under hard acceleration. I had it happen several times on my last car. The front of the car vibrates badly as the front tyres hop/spin and the car struggles to move forward.

The Golf has an anti-tramp feature. However, Bridgestone have managed to make tyres that will defeat it! :rolleyes:

Did a long journey tonight, with 4 in the car. Shouting over the tyre roar was a PITA. Ordering 4 new PS4 tyres next week.

Alright i understand!  :smiley:. But can a tire modell help with this problem?

I thought you have to change the Dogbone?!!  :smiley:

https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/)

Softer compound tyres will reduce or may eliminate tramping and wheel hop as they have more grip than harder compound tyres.
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Wide on 27 August 2017, 07:51
Daz Auto, hope you have a good tyre fitter you can trust not to damage your new diamond cut alloys when fitting your new tyres.

Yes theses dimond cut alloys are scarry to use. I have bought a extra alloy, if someting happend.  :grin:

It's impossible to fix nicely  :angry:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Wide on 27 August 2017, 07:54
What is tramping?  :huh:.
Tramping or wheel hop, sometimes happens under hard acceleration. I had it happen several times on my last car. The front of the car vibrates badly as the front tyres hop/spin and the car struggles to move forward.

The Golf has an anti-tramp feature. However, Bridgestone have managed to make tyres that will defeat it! :rolleyes:

Did a long journey tonight, with 4 in the car. Shouting over the tyre roar was a PITA. Ordering 4 new PS4 tyres next week.

Alright i understand!  :smiley:. But can a tire modell help with this problem?

I thought you have to change the Dogbone?!!  :smiley:

https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/)

Softer compound tyres will reduce or may eliminate tramping and wheel hop as they have more grip than harder compound tyres.

Ok, yes thats true!

My GY Ass 3 was soft, no tramping with them!,,  :grin: :grin: Just spinning..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vn_x6Fkvi8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vn_x6Fkvi8)
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Booth11 on 27 August 2017, 08:26
Can't comment on PS4, but PS4S are very noticeably quieter than Conti 5Ps so if Conti 6 are the same as 5Ps in the noise stakes, then they will be noisier than PS4S.

I had Conti 5 on my Mk7, and think the Conti 6 is quiter.

But as i said, maybe the PS4S is better.. :huh:. I buy them next time if it´s the way.. :grin:

If the Conti 6's are quieter then they'll likely be on a par noise wise with the PS4S.  :smiley:

Think all the tires in this size are noisy  :grin:. But you are satisfied with the performace of the PS4S?.. :smiley:

Wide, yes, to degree 19's can be noisy but some are moreso than others. Same with the hardness of the ride.

I've only had the PS4S on since Friday but have done a fair few miles now on varying roads to test them out, and they are so far proving to be superior to the Conti 5Ps on all levels, and that's saying something because I rate 5Ps highly.  The PS4S are  - quieter, less harsh and more comfortable ride even with DCC in Sport, better at absorbing rough/potholed roads, better grip, exemplary braking.  They've yet to be driven in the wet and it will be exciting to see how they fare through winter (do not use winter tyres in my location).  More extensive thoughts on the PS4S (so far) in my thread here.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=275792.msg2572744#msg2572744

Tramping, as discussed above is not an issue on the 4WD  R, as is more prevalent on front wheel drive cars and a poor tyre can really exacerbate the issue. 

I know a few with Conti 6 on their R's and they are very pleased with them.  :smiley:
 

Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: fredgroves on 27 August 2017, 10:05
My experience suggests that while the contis might perform best, they last only about two thirds of the distance vs Michelins. Personally I can't afford that.

On the other hand, essentially pretty much anything wins over the OEM BS's except on wear, where the damned things are crap forever.
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Booth11 on 27 August 2017, 11:13
My experience suggests that while the contis might perform best, they last only about two thirds of the distance vs Michelins. Personally I can't afford that.

On the other hand, essentially pretty much anything wins over the OEM BS's except on wear, where the damned things are crap forever.

Lifetime of Contis is not great but for me performance wins over longevity, and they are consistent.  Last 3 sets of Contis 5Ps I've got (fronts):  12k miles (mk6gti); 12kmiles (mk6 GTI); 14k miles (7R) - all changed at approx 3mm.  Be interesting to see how the Michelin compare if I have the car long enough to make a comparison.
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: CHB100 on 27 August 2017, 12:17
'Be interesting to see how the Michelin compare if I have the car long enough to make a comparison.'

So we're looking at April/May 19 ? for the first Mk8 R to arrive. Let me guess saffron & black.
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Booth11 on 27 August 2017, 14:41
'Be interesting to see how the Michelin compare if I have the car long enough to make a comparison.'

So we're looking at April/May 19 ? for the first Mk8 R to arrive. Let me guess saffron & black.

I try to avoid the first of a new model off the line, prefer to get early teething problems sorted.  Colour depends on choice available. Yellow?  Not likely.  What are you basing your guess on?
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Watts on 27 August 2017, 14:59
My experience suggests that while the contis might perform best, they last only about two thirds of the distance vs Michelins. Personally I can't afford that.

On the other hand, essentially pretty much anything wins over the OEM BS's except on wear, where the damned things are crap forever.

I was wondering about life, my P-Zeros have just gone over 18k with a bit more life in them, on last check they were at 3.5 and 4.5mm so will change them before winter. If I can get the same again from Michelins then they might be worth the extra £120 a set with the additional benefits of performance and comfort. I'd be disappointed if I only got 12k from a set of tyres, especially at £600 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Wide on 27 August 2017, 19:09
Can't comment on PS4, but PS4S are very noticeably quieter than Conti 5Ps so if Conti 6 are the same as 5Ps in the noise stakes, then they will be noisier than PS4S.

I had Conti 5 on my Mk7, and think the Conti 6 is quiter.

But as i said, maybe the PS4S is better.. :huh:. I buy them next time if it´s the way.. :grin:

If the Conti 6's are quieter then they'll likely be on a par noise wise with the PS4S.  :smiley:

Think all the tires in this size are noisy  :grin:. But you are satisfied with the performace of the PS4S?.. :smiley:

Wide, yes, to degree 19's can be noisy but some are moreso than others. Same with the hardness of the ride.

I've only had the PS4S on since Friday but have done a fair few miles now on varying roads to test them out, and they are so far proving to be superior to the Conti 5Ps on all levels, and that's saying something because I rate 5Ps highly.  The PS4S are  - quieter, less harsh and more comfortable ride even with DCC in Sport, better at absorbing rough/potholed roads, better grip, exemplary braking.  They've yet to be driven in the wet and it will be exciting to see how they fare through winter (do not use winter tyres in my location).  More extensive thoughts on the PS4S (so far) in my thread here.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=275792.msg2572744#msg2572744

Tramping, as discussed above is not an issue on the 4WD  R, as is more prevalent on front wheel drive cars and a poor tyre can really exacerbate the issue. 

I know a few with Conti 6 on their R's and they are very pleased with them.  :smiley:

I have Conti 5 on the Mk7, and i agree with your comments. But i think the tires will last long. Have done 40 000km and they can do many more miles.. :smiley:

But think the Conti 6 is on another level  :wink:

I have 2 people that have new R here in Sweden, they both have problem with Tramping on them. So they have changed the dogbone, and it is a new car according to them.. :grin:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Wide on 27 August 2017, 19:19
My experience suggests that while the contis might perform best, they last only about two thirds of the distance vs Michelins. Personally I can't afford that.

On the other hand, essentially pretty much anything wins over the OEM BS's except on wear, where the damned things are crap forever.

Is it really true, according to my tire company. So, the PS4 has a lot of poorer durability with a little better grip. Much smoother rubber. But he may be wrong. :sad:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Booth11 on 27 August 2017, 19:54
Can't comment on PS4, but PS4S are very noticeably quieter than Conti 5Ps so if Conti 6 are the same as 5Ps in the noise stakes, then they will be noisier than PS4S.

I had Conti 5 on my Mk7, and think the Conti 6 is quiter.

But as i said, maybe the PS4S is better.. :huh:. I buy them next time if it´s the way.. :grin:

If the Conti 6's are quieter then they'll likely be on a par noise wise with the PS4S.  :smiley:

Think all the tires in this size are noisy  :grin:. But you are satisfied with the performace of the PS4S?.. :smiley:

Wide, yes, to degree 19's can be noisy but some are moreso than others. Same with the hardness of the ride.

I've only had the PS4S on since Friday but have done a fair few miles now on varying roads to test them out, and they are so far proving to be superior to the Conti 5Ps on all levels, and that's saying something because I rate 5Ps highly.  The PS4S are  - quieter, less harsh and more comfortable ride even with DCC in Sport, better at absorbing rough/potholed roads, better grip, exemplary braking.  They've yet to be driven in the wet and it will be exciting to see how they fare through winter (do not use winter tyres in my location).  More extensive thoughts on the PS4S (so far) in my thread here.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=275792.msg2572744#msg2572744

Tramping, as discussed above is not an issue on the 4WD  R, as is more prevalent on front wheel drive cars and a poor tyre can really exacerbate the issue. 

I know a few with Conti 6 on their R's and they are very pleased with them.  :smiley:

I have Conti 5 on the Mk7, and i agree with your comments. But i think the tires will last long. Have done 40 000km and they can do many more miles.. :smiley:

But think the Conti 6 is on another level  :wink:

I have 2 people that have new R here in Sweden, they both have problem with Tramping on them. So they have changed the dogbone, and it is a new car according to them.. :grin:

Glad you are liking the Conti 6. :smiley:   Do you run the Conti 5Ps just through the warmer months?  Presume winter tyres required in Sweden?  Tyre life will come down to a variety of factors.  I've known some get as little as 4K and 8k miles out of a set of fronts.  :shocked:

Interesting about the tramping on the R, first instances I've heard of.  What tyres were they running?
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI.. :)
Post by: Wide on 27 August 2017, 20:10
Can't comment on PS4, but PS4S are very noticeably quieter than Conti 5Ps so if Conti 6 are the same as 5Ps in the noise stakes, then they will be noisier than PS4S.

I had Conti 5 on my Mk7, and think the Conti 6 is quiter.

But as i said, maybe the PS4S is better.. :huh:. I buy them next time if it´s the way.. :grin:

If the Conti 6's are quieter then they'll likely be on a par noise wise with the PS4S.  :smiley:

Think all the tires in this size are noisy  :grin:. But you are satisfied with the performace of the PS4S?.. :smiley:

Wide, yes, to degree 19's can be noisy but some are moreso than others. Same with the hardness of the ride.

I've only had the PS4S on since Friday but have done a fair few miles now on varying roads to test them out, and they are so far proving to be superior to the Conti 5Ps on all levels, and that's saying something because I rate 5Ps highly.  The PS4S are  - quieter, less harsh and more comfortable ride even with DCC in Sport, better at absorbing rough/potholed roads, better grip, exemplary braking.  They've yet to be driven in the wet and it will be exciting to see how they fare through winter (do not use winter tyres in my location).  More extensive thoughts on the PS4S (so far) in my thread here.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=275792.msg2572744#msg2572744

Tramping, as discussed above is not an issue on the 4WD  R, as is more prevalent on front wheel drive cars and a poor tyre can really exacerbate the issue. 

I know a few with Conti 6 on their R's and they are very pleased with them.  :smiley:

I have Conti 5 on the Mk7, and i agree with your comments. But i think the tires will last long. Have done 40 000km and they can do many more miles.. :smiley:

But think the Conti 6 is on another level  :wink:

I have 2 people that have new R here in Sweden, they both have problem with Tramping on them. So they have changed the dogbone, and it is a new car according to them.. :grin:

Glad you are liking the Conti 6. :smiley:   Do you run the Conti 5Ps just through the warmer months?  Presume winter tyres required in Sweden?  Tyre life will come down to a variety of factors.  I've known some get as little as 4K and 8k miles out of a set of fronts.  :shocked:

Interesting about the tramping on the R, first instances I've heard of.  What tyres were they running?

Yes we have to use real wintertires in Sweden. I have these in 17" between Nov to Mars.. :angry:..

(http://forumbilder.se/G9AB1/dsc-0074.JPG?width=150) (http://forumbilder.se/G9AB1/dsc-0074)

Pirelli P Zero on the Golf R...standard tire from factory.. :smiley:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI...now set number 6 in one year :)
Post by: Wide on 16 May 2018, 05:54
Yes this was not the plan to have tried 6 sets of wheels...  :whistle:

But hope i not need to change wheels this year..:rolleyes::D:D


https://youtu.be/6YJJ4xeb7mQ (https://youtu.be/6YJJ4xeb7mQ)
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI...now set number 6 in one year :)
Post by: mcmaddy on 16 May 2018, 06:55
Interesting watch 👍. I loved the continentals that came from the factory on my 2013 gtd but again a lot of people dismissed them. So it's either conti 6 or Michelin sport 4s come tyre change time.
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI...now set number 6 in one year :)
Post by: Wide on 16 May 2018, 07:32
Interesting watch 👍. I loved the continentals that came from the factory on my 2013 gtd but again a lot of people dismissed them. So it's either conti 6 or Michelin sport 4s come tyre change time.

Thanks, yes i have some isues.  :grin:.

I Choice the Conti 6 because of the road noice on the 4s. They are similar in prize and performance ..

But next time i will try the 4S!  :grin:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI...now set number 6 in one year :)
Post by: Tornado8 on 16 May 2018, 18:42
A word for the Falken Azenis Fk510https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QseDx-aBaK4&t=498s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QseDx-aBaK4&t=498s) Just fitted a set. Good value and good reviews. so far no complaints :smiley:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI...now set number 6 in one year :)
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 16 May 2018, 22:19
Just put these on mine...

(https://s26.postimg.cc/jqoogz8hl/IMG_6175.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3sfyque9h/)

(https://s26.postimg.cc/57hjfk7mx/IMG_6189.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/69rpy3qg5/)

Looking forward to bedding them in round Wales this weekend..  :smiley:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI...now set number 6 in one year :)
Post by: Wide on 17 May 2018, 06:03
A word for the Falken Azenis Fk510https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QseDx-aBaK4&t=498s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QseDx-aBaK4&t=498s) Just fitted a set. Good value and good reviews. so far no complaints :smiley:

Nice, yes think that is a good option!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Video: *Tire Problem* On the Facelift GTI...now set number 6 in one year :)
Post by: Wide on 17 May 2018, 06:04
Just put these on mine...

(https://s26.postimg.cc/jqoogz8hl/IMG_6175.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3sfyque9h/)

(https://s26.postimg.cc/57hjfk7mx/IMG_6189.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/69rpy3qg5/)

Looking forward to bedding them in round Wales this weekend..  :smiley:

Strange tire pattern  :wink:. But that halt the prize of my Sportcontact 6  :wink:. Hope they are good!  :smiley: