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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Wide on 10 June 2017, 20:40
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This is why a bought the GTI instead of the R :grin:....( little pressure of my wife..) :grin: :grin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqE5iKI2M9A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqE5iKI2M9A)
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Love the way the towing hook is integrated into the car like that.
I also really like your videos, I wouldn't know where to start doing something like that.
Keep em' coming :smiley:
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Love the way the towing hook is integrated into the car like that.
I also really like your videos, I wouldn't know where to start doing something like that.
Keep em' coming :smiley:
Yes, I'll second that
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It depends on how you define 'better.' Is 'more practical' better? The GTI can have that tow bar, has a bigger boot, will do more mpg, is cheaper to insure, has a smaller turning circle, less turbo lag, is lighter and therefore will have slightly sharper steering. I decided that all those things make the GTI a better daily driver for me.
However, the ultimate Golf is the Golf R. Being 4WD it has much better traction and is much, much faster.
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It depends on how you define 'better.' Is 'more practical' better? The GTI can have that tow bar, has a bigger boot, will do more mpg, is cheaper to insure, has a smaller turning circle, less turbo lag, is lighter and therefore will have slightly sharper steering. I decided that all those things make the GTI a better daily driver for me.
However, the ultimate Golf is the Golf R. Being 4WD it has much better traction and is much, much faster.
It was a joke because you can't fit a tow bar to an R.
or at least that's what I assumed, and assuming you still can't fit a tow bar to an R
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It depends on how you define 'better.' Is 'more practical' better? The GTI can have that tow bar, has a bigger boot, will do more mpg, is cheaper to insure, has a smaller turning circle, less turbo lag, is lighter and therefore will have slightly sharper steering. I decided that all those things make the GTI a better daily driver for me.
However, the ultimate Golf is the Golf R. Being 4WD it has much better traction and is much, much faster.
It was a joke because you can't fit a tow bar to an R.
or at least that's what I assumed, and assuming you still can't fit a tow bar to an R
Think you're right on the R and not being able to fit a tow bar Exonian. I don't think the R has type approval for towing and Towing Load Limits in the current brochure are blank for the R.
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... and assuming you still can't fit a tow bar to an R.
https://torkliftcentral.com/rving-and-towing/ecohitch/volkswagen/2015-2017-volkswagen-golf-r-ecohitch (https://torkliftcentral.com/rving-and-towing/ecohitch/volkswagen/2015-2017-volkswagen-golf-r-ecohitch)
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... and assuming you still can't fit a tow bar to an R.
https://torkliftcentral.com/rving-and-towing/ecohitch/volkswagen/2015-2017-volkswagen-golf-r-ecohitch (https://torkliftcentral.com/rving-and-towing/ecohitch/volkswagen/2015-2017-volkswagen-golf-r-ecohitch)
Smartarse! :laugh: :laugh:
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Do you really want that on show all the time??
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Do you really want that on show all the time??
Like walking around with your flies undone?
Which goes to prove the point, Wide was right all along...
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👍👍
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So exactly how many GTI/GTD owners actually have or want a tow bar. It's about 10001 on my wish list and I suspect majority of others.Fair enough if you happen to be a member of the caravan club. Bikes can go no roof bars. :whistle:
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It's no longer up for dispute, the GTI is officially better than the R !
That video ends all arguments.
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So exactly how many GTI/GTD owners actually have or want a tow bar. It's about 10001 on my wish list and I suspect majority of others. Fair enough if you happen to be a member of the caravan club. Bikes can go no roof bars. :whistle:
My kayak could go on roof bars too. It's just an awkward lift. It is even possible to take 2. Though the paddles had to go in the car. The trailer is just a lot more convenient and will hold our 3rd kayak and paddles.
Also handy to have a small trailer for DIY and gardening. Yeah, so apart from biking, caravanning, kayaking, gardening and DIY - is tow bar is completely useless! :rolleyes:
I currently have a detachable tow bar fitted, but the swing down will be better.
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So exactly how many GTI/GTD owners actually have or want a tow bar. It's about 10001 on my wish list and I suspect majority of others.Fair enough if you happen to be a member of the caravan club. Bikes can go no roof bars. :whistle:
I was hoping my bike will go straight in the boot with seats down! :smiley:
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So exactly how many GTI/GTD owners actually have or want a tow bar. It's about 10001 on my wish list and I suspect majority of others.Fair enough if you happen to be a member of the caravan club. Bikes can go no roof bars. :whistle:
What about jet skis or a motorbike trailer, not everyone who has a toe bar has a caravan.
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Oppss, sorry Boys! :). I take the R any day!. But i had some demands when bought the new familycar ;)
It must have a Tow bar!, is so much easyer than all the other clever bike mounts!. And i want to tow a Jetski and more..
Al the top of the line cars ( A45, 140, S3... ) i tried them all. They are great, but you can´t get them with a tow bar!!.
So under 2 years i have looked for the funnies and best familycar with a Tow bar.
I my conclusion is GOLF GTI!!!!. It´s a awsome car! ....but the R is more awsome ( but not this time ).. :grin:
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Love the way the towing hook is integrated into the car like that.
I also really like your videos, I wouldn't know where to start doing something like that.
Keep em' coming :smiley:
:grin: :grin:Thanks!
I have som more fun ideas for videos to come... :nerd: :grin:
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... and assuming you still can't fit a tow bar to an R.
https://torkliftcentral.com/rving-and-towing/ecohitch/volkswagen/2015-2017-volkswagen-golf-r-ecohitch (https://torkliftcentral.com/rving-and-towing/ecohitch/volkswagen/2015-2017-volkswagen-golf-r-ecohitch)
That is what a would have put on if i bought a R ;). But its illigal i EU and warrenty of the car would disappear :angry:
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It depends on how you define 'better.' Is 'more practical' better? The GTI can have that tow bar, has a bigger boot, will do more mpg, is cheaper to insure, has a smaller turning circle, less turbo lag, is lighter and therefore will have slightly sharper steering. I decided that all those things make the GTI a better daily driver for me.
However, the ultimate Golf is the Golf R. Being 4WD it has much better traction and is much, much faster.
It was a joke because you can't fit a tow bar to an R.
Spot on! :wink:
or at least that's what I assumed, and assuming you still can't fit a tow bar to an R
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It's no longer up for dispute, the GTI is officially better than the R !
That video ends all arguments.
:grin: :grin: :grin: But not always true :wink:
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
For someone who was a bit scared of a pedalbox in case they crashed into a tree I'd continue resting on cases if I were you :laugh: :whistle:
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
For someone who was a bit scared of a pedalbox in case they crashed into a tree I'd continue resting on cases if I were you :laugh: :whistle:
How would a pedal box make you crash into a tree?
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
For someone who was a bit scared of a pedalbox in case they crashed into a tree I'd continue resting on cases if I were you :laugh: :whistle:
How would a pedal box make you crash into a tree?
Ask CHB100
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
For someone who was a bit scared of a pedalbox in case they crashed into a tree I'd continue resting on cases if I were you :laugh: :whistle:
How would a pedal box make you crash into a tree?
Ask CHB100
Have one on order, out of stock. :wink:
Also any of you guys and gals seen the state of that R that crashed into house on the Old Cromwell Road, Kensington. Google it, I only initially recognised the Pret wheel.I wonder if he had a pedal box?
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
Haha, yes!. But i can have a Caravan on and do a 0-60 in 8sek dead!! :grin: :grin:
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
For someone who was a bit scared of a pedalbox in case they crashed into a tree I'd continue resting on cases if I were you :laugh: :whistle:
How would a pedal box make you crash into a tree?
Ask CHB100
Have one on order, out of stock. :wink:
Also any of you guys and gals seen the state of that R that crashed into house on the Old Cromwell Road, Kensington. Google it, I only initially recognised the Pret wheel.I wonder if he had a pedal box?
I think the human to mechanical interface there was assisted more by cocaine or speed (or at the very least alcohol and adrenaline) than by a little electronic amplifier box.
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
If thats what really floats your boat, bit yawn o'clock really
All about the numbers and lacking a bit of soul
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
Haha, yes!. But i can have a Caravan on and do a 0-60 in 8sek dead!! :grin: :grin:
I'ld love to see the state of the contents after !! :grin:
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
For someone who was a bit scared of a pedalbox in case they crashed into a tree I'd continue resting on cases if I were you :laugh: :whistle:
How would a pedal box make you crash into a tree?
Ask CHB100
Have one on order, out of stock. :wink:
Also any of you guys and gals seen the state of that R that crashed into house on the Old Cromwell Road, Kensington. Google it, I only initially recognised the Pret wheel.I wonder if he had a pedal box?
The trees in the Cotswolds better watch out.
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Also any of you guys and gals seen the state of that R that crashed into house on the Old Cromwell Road, Kensington. Google it, I only initially recognised the Pret wheel.I wonder if he had a pedal box?
Yes seen it. That's what you get for driving like a t**t.
Be careful with that pedalbox. :whistle:
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
If thats what really floats your boat, bit yawn o'clock really
All about the numbers and lacking a bit of soul
Agreed, that was fecking mind numbing :rolleyes:
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You would seriously prioritise a tow bar over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJRL7-FX9Uw&app=desktop
:cool:I rest my case
If thats what really floats your boat, bit yawn o'clock really
All about the numbers and lacking a bit of soul
Agreed, that was fecking mind numbing :rolleyes:
No doubt VW will re-design the MK8 R to accommodate said tow bar, due to public demand :wink:
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I care as much about having a tow bar as I do about staring at dials going round and 0-60 times :wink:
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I care as much about having a tow bar as I do about staring at dials going round and 0-60 times :wink:
But you still read the thread and commented on it. :grin:
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I care as much about having a tow bar as I do about staring at dials going round and 0-60 times :wink:
Wait isn't the 0-60 time why you choose to buy a car in the first place? :shocked:
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I care as much about having a tow bar as I do about staring at dials going round and 0-60 times :wink:
But you still read the thread and commented on it. :grin:
Didn't know what it was until I clicked the link.
I should have known better.....and you have to comment don't you :laugh:
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You CAN order a UK Golf R with Tow hitch.....£685 on the VW UK configurator....
Estate...which happens to better handling (IMOH) than the hatch & carries more luggage....
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I care as much about having a tow bar as I do about staring at dials going round and 0-60 times :wink:
But you still read the thread and commented on it. :grin:
Didn't know what it was until I clicked the link.
I should have known better.....and you have to comment don't you :laugh:
I did have to comment as I read the thread with much interest once I knew it was about tow bars. In my opinion, both the GTI and .:R are completely useless as family cars.In fact any Golf for that matter. My Amarok on the other hand...
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I care as much about having a tow bar as I do about staring at dials going round and 0-60 times :wink:
But you still read the thread and commented on it. :grin:
Didn't know what it was until I clicked the link.
I should have known better.....and you have to comment don't you :laugh:
I did have to comment as I read the thread with much interest once I knew it was about tow bars. In my opinion, both the GTI and .:R are completely useless as family cars.In fact any Golf for that matter. My Amarok on the other hand...
A Golf can accommodate a couple kids folded up in the back and a few Sainsbury's bags in the cargo hold, plus a couple suitcases on odd occasions I'm blackmailed into spending some of my car fund on something that depreciates in value faster than a Golf R (a holiday), so works fine for me. What does a family car need more than that?
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You CAN order a UK Golf R with Tow hitch.....£685 on the VW UK configurator....
Estate...which happens to better handling (IMOH) than the hatch & carries more luggage....
""Tow Bar detachable including installation kit - (vehicles without towing hitch preparation)""
WTF?!?!, now is my video not true.. :sad: :sad: :grin:.
But only on the Estaste and not so nice folding.. :grin:
This is great news!. Now can you R owners drive like this legal in Uk. But not in Sweden yet.. :angry:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/ian_armstrong_2016_golf_r_zpslps6sgej.jpg)(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/1742236_724812047536890_1406912961_n_zpsl5gse3gx.jpg)
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(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p408/Mangewide/ian_armstrong_2016_golf_r_zpslps6sgej.jpg)
No lighting board.
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That's one tail heavy trailer. Cars should be loaded with their engines at the front of the trailer.
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A Golf can accommodate a couple kids folded up in the back and a few Sainsbury's bags in the cargo hold, plus a couple suitcases on odd occasions I'm blackmailed into spending some of my car fund on something that depreciates in value faster than a Golf R (a holiday), so works fine for me. What does a family car need more than that?
My comment was very much tongue in cheek, but having just about managed to cram the boot of my Passat estates full, loaded 4 bikes on the roof and a 1500kg caravan hitched up to the back for a last 10 years or so, the pick up is kit lugging luxury.
When we were in the queue for the ferry early this year, we were next to a family with 2 fair sized teenage boys, all their stuff and 3 bikes all in/on and Mk2 Golf. It's hard to believe that 30 years ago, my little Mk2 would have been a regular family car.
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4 of us when to the south of Spain in an Audi S4 convertible years ago. There was no chance we were going to get all our clothes in the boot so we got them into two boxes and sent them by DHL, I forget exactly what it cost but it was somewhere around £40 for the two boxes.
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We had a Volvo V70 before the Golf. But we have never had to have more Space than the Golf can offer :).
Just one kid but, but i have a tow bar ;) :grin: :grin: :grin:
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A Golf can accommodate a couple kids folded up in the back and a few Sainsbury's bags in the cargo hold, plus a couple suitcases on odd occasions I'm blackmailed into spending some of my car fund on something that depreciates in value faster than a Golf R (a holiday), so works fine for me. What does a family car need more than that?
My comment was very much tongue in cheek, but having just about managed to cram the boot of my Passat estates full, loaded 4 bikes on the roof and a 1500kg caravan hitched up to the back for a last 10 years or so, the pick up is kit lugging luxury.
When we were in the queue for the ferry early this year, we were next to a family with 2 fair sized teenage boys, all their stuff and 3 bikes all in/on and Mk2 Golf. It's hard to believe that 30 years ago, my little Mk2 would have been a regular family car.
I was being tongue in cheek too, my grandparents managed with an original Mini way back when and yet nowadays we seem to be obliged to carry all sorts with us and never have enough space.
I don't think ability to tow a caravan the size of a house counts towards 'small family car' abilities though, unless your family come from a certain 'ethnic/lifestyle' background who are free to do as they please and it's impossible/illegal to criticise them.
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One of my personal pet hates is when someone has their first kid and decides they can't manage without a people carrier :rolleyes:
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I don't think ability to tow a caravan the size of a house counts towards 'small family car' abilities though, unless your family come from a certain 'ethnic/lifestyle' background who are free to do as they please and it's impossible/illegal to criticise them.
You'll need a Transit tipper with greedy boards for that.
One of my personal pet hates is when someone has their first kid and decides they can't manage without a people carrier :rolleyes:
More often than not a Zafira with baby on board stickers and Winnie the Poo sunshades.
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unless your family come from a certain 'ethnic/lifestyle' background who are free to do as they please and it's impossible/illegal to criticise them.
I know where you can get just such a caravan. :wink: :grin:
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One of my personal pet hates is when someone has their first kid and decides they can't manage without a people carrier :rolleyes:
And mine. I stopped at one kid as I knew I could not go down the people carrier route. :laugh:
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One of my personal pet hates is when someone has their first kid and decides they can't manage without a people carrier :rolleyes:
And mine. I stopped at one kid as I knew I could not go down the people carrier route. :laugh:
I've got 3 and never had anything larger than a Passat.
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unless your family come from a certain 'ethnic/lifestyle' background who are free to do as they please and it's impossible/illegal to criticise them.
I know where you can get just such a caravan. :wink: :grin:
Being Irish I know where I can get a load of such caravans :smiley:
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One of my personal pet hates is when someone has their first kid and decides they can't manage without a people carrier :rolleyes:
And mine. I stopped at one kid as I knew I could not go down the people carrier route. :laugh:
I've got 3 and never had anything larger than a Passat.
Even a Passat is too large, lol.
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unless your family come from a certain 'ethnic/lifestyle' background who are free to do as they please and it's impossible/illegal to criticise them.
I know where you can get just such a caravan. :wink: :grin:
Being Irish I know where I can get a load of such caravans :smiley:
I can imagine. I've had first hand experience of pavees.
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unless your family come from a certain 'ethnic/lifestyle' background who are free to do as they please and it's impossible/illegal to criticise them.
I know where you can get just such a caravan. :wink: :grin:
Being Irish I know where I can get a load of such caravans :smiley:
I can imagine. I've had first hand experience of pavees.
That is racist :smiley: but I'm Irish so I suppose it doesn't count as racism :whistle:
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unless your family come from a certain 'ethnic/lifestyle' background who are free to do as they please and it's impossible/illegal to criticise them.
I know where you can get just such a caravan. :wink: :grin:
Being Irish I know where I can get a load of such caravans :smiley:
I can imagine. I've had first hand experience of pavees.
That is racist :smiley: but I'm Irish so I suppose it doesn't count as racism :whistle:
On the contrary, it's not a racist term, but is in fact the term by which certain groups of Irish Traveller wish to be referred by. I was enlightened by such groups during a number of court hearings and a traveller seminar. :smiley:
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Years back affectionately referred to as tinkers, on the whole genuine nomads. Recent times however, well I've also seen the effects the so called travellers have on the community and environment.
Way to off topic for this forum and no way racist, one has to be boringly so PC these days.
Anyway they have SUVs and luxury mobiles to haul around, not horses and carts, and definitely not a Golf GTI.
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The Golf GTIs are what the 15 year old lads have to razz around in.
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unless your family come from a certain 'ethnic/lifestyle' background who are free to do as they please and it's impossible/illegal to criticise them.
I know where you can get just such a caravan. :wink: :grin:
Being Irish I know where I can get a load of such caravans :smiley:
I can imagine. I've had first hand experience of pavees.
That is racist :smiley: but I'm Irish so I suppose it doesn't count as racism :whistle:
On the contrary, it's not a racist term, but is in fact the term by which certain groups of Irish Traveller wish to be referred by. I was enlightened by such groups during a number of court hearings and a traveller seminar. :smiley:
I was only joking but I thought people called them pavees because they are well know for being the people to not go to if you want paving or tarmac doing. :embarrassed:
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^^
Can understand your logic, but it's a traditional term used by the community itself.
://grthm.natt.org.uk/irish-travellers.php
I've had dealings with the family of the lady that wrote the document above and they were insistent on being called pavees.
Anyway, back to tow bars...
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Referring to OPs original irony post, well sort of. Has Anyone seen todays Autocar :grin: :grin: :cool: Top 50 cars. :cool: R is 4th!!!!!! just below and ahead of silly money machinery, GTI well no comment, but lower than I would have thought. Anyway what do they know, as there was no mention of tow bar capabilities :laugh: :laugh:
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Referring to OPs original irony post, well sort of. Has Anyone seen todays Autocar :grin: :grin: :cool: Top 50 cars. :cool: R is 4th!!!!!! just below and ahead of silly money machinery, GTI well no comment, but lower than I would have thought. Anyway what do they know, as there was no mention of tow bar capabilities :laugh: :laugh:
:grin: :grin: :grin: Yes very much of topic in my thread.. :grin: :grin:
I have a more strange thing about the prizing of the R!!
I UK you have a very little diffrent in prize on the R and the GTI-
But in Sweden and many other countrys is the diffrent huge!.
The R is about 9000£ more expensive than the GTI!!!. ( similar option standard )
Therefor is the GTI in my optioon the most value for money Golf thats on Sale ( in Sweden )
But i understand al reviews from UK, when they recomend the R if the prize diffrent is so little... :sad: :grin:
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But in Sweden and many other countries the price difference is huge!.
The R is about £9000 more expensive than the GTI!!!. ( similar option standard )
Therefor the GTI, in my opinion, is the best value for money Golf that is for Sale ( in Sweden )
But i understand all the reviews from the UK, when they recomend the R as the price difference is so little... :sad: :grin:
... sorry, I edited you post for clarity. Your English is a million times better than my Swedish :embarrassed:
In the UK the price difference between a GTI and Golf R is about £4,400. Or in my case £3,300 for the GTI Performance. Not hard to see why so many just decide to buy the Golf R.
With all the options I want, my GTI will cost over £35k. Which is more than a Golf R. But the GTI is still the better car (for me).
I wonder why the big price difference in other markets?
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But in Sweden and many other countries the price difference is huge!.
The R is about £9000 more expensive than the GTI!!!. ( similar option standard )
Therefor the GTI, in my opinion, is the best value for money Golf that is for Sale ( in Sweden )
But i understand all the reviews from the UK, when they recomend the R as the price difference is so little... :sad: :grin:
... sorry, I edited you post for clarity. Your English is a million times better than my Swedish :embarrassed:
In the UK the price difference between a GTI and Golf R is about £4,400. Or in my case £3,300 for the GTI Performance. Not hard to see why so many just decide to buy the Golf R.
With all the options I want, my GTI will cost over £35k. Which is more than a Golf R. But the GTI is still the better car (for me).
I wonder why the big price difference in other markets?
:grin: Sorry was in a hurry, didn´t had time to check with google translate..
3300 only??. Yes i talk about 9000 between the Performance Pack and the R..:(
But i crazy satisfied with the GTI, what a comfort it has.. :). Something have they done with the facelift when i compare tom my Mk7 GT-13.. :)...or is the DCC som much better now..
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Why the Golf GTI is better than the Golf R... really ironic!!!
Last night I was watching Police Interceptors. It featured a Golf R racing away from the police. It also had an new Audi S3 in a accident where the occupants walked away from the car. One officer commented that cars like the Audi S3 were a favourite of criminals. Basically because they are 5 door cars that do not stand out.
Tonight I was watching Cops UK: Bodycam Squad. The cops had a Golf R. :shocked: I recognised it was a Golf R because of the Cadiz alloys. There was a drug driver in an Audi with silver wing mirrors - S3???
So the GTI is less favoured by the police and less sought after by criminals :huh: So the GTI is (ironically) better!
Any wonder the Golf R insurance group has jumped from 33 to 39 :shocked:
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Why the Golf GTI is better than the Golf R... really ironic!!!
Last night I was watching Police Interceptors. It featured a Golf R racing away from the police. It also had an new Audi S3 in a accident where the occupants walked away from the car. One officer commented that cars like the Audi S3 were a favourite of criminals. Basically because they are 5 door cars that do not stand out.
Tonight I was watching Cops UK: Bodycam Squad. The cops had a Golf R. :shocked: I recognised it was a Golf R because of the Cadiz alloys. There was a drug driver in an Audi with silver wing mirrors - S3???
So the GTI is less favoured by the police and less sought after by criminals :huh: So the GTI is (ironically) better!
Any wonder the Golf R insurance group has jumped from 33 to 39 :shocked:
Interesting! The GTI have always expensive insurance due to the young people to drive them.
But now is the R more expensive, maybe the R is more liked by the criminals is Swden to.. :grin:
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And this is why again.. :grin: :grin:
Celebrate Swedish midsummer with style at the summer house. :grin: :grin: :grin:
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