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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Burger81 on 18 May 2017, 13:31
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I have spoken to a Revo installer near me and he looked up on his system the gains from just a stage 1 map.
From standard a stage 1 takes it to:
From 217 to 300-307bhp
Torque from 258lb/ft to 320lb/ft
This seems like a huge leap just from a stage 1 map, I was assured this is correct with no other mods.
Does that sound right to you guys? Anyone got a revo map on a manual GTI? That can compare figures.
He said he hasn't had anyone come back with clutch issues with this which from what I read on here is a known weakness with lots of torque.
I'd worry about the clutch with that torque!!
Also I had a revo map on a focus RS mk2, and it only added 50bhp on a standard engine, he reckoned the VAG TSI engines see big gains from a map.
Just doesn't seem right to me?
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Seems Revo website back these figures up. Probably where he got them from :whistle:
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I spoke to my local Revo Dealer in Lincoln, who quoted the same figures.
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He's not pulling your leg. Look at all of the tuners providing software for the EA888 and you'll see.
Even the DTUK box will take you close to 300bhp IIRC.
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But is this too much for the supposedly fragile standard clutch? What torque is a cut off point before needing an uprated clutch??
Just going by previous cars I have had I genuinely thought it would only gain 40-50bhp!
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When I had a stage 1 revo on my mk7 gti it was very impressive ,I never did get it on the rolling road to confirm the power ,but it seemed faster than my mk7 R which I have now , but word of warning get the bottom Engine mount upgraded ,because I broke mine due too excessive wheel hopping & ended up with a 10k warranty claim .
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When I had a stage 1 revo on my mk7 gti it was very impressive ,I never did get it on the rolling road to confirm the power ,but it seemed faster than my mk7 R which I have now , but word of warning get the bottom Engine mount upgraded ,because I broke mine due too excessive wheel hopping & ended up with a 10k warranty claim .
How did you get on with a warranty claim on a remapped car?
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When I had a stage 1 revo on my mk7 gti it was very impressive ,I never did get it on the rolling road to confirm the power ,but it seemed faster than my mk7 R which I have now , but word of warning get the bottom Engine mount upgraded ,because I broke mine due too excessive wheel hopping & ended up with a 10k warranty claim .
How did you get on with a warranty claim on a remapped car?
^^^ what he said
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Was the wheel hopping just from spinning up due to the extra power and it not putting it down?
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When I had a stage 1 revo on my mk7 gti it was very impressive ,I never did get it on the rolling road to confirm the power ,but it seemed faster than my mk7 R which I have now , but word of warning get the bottom Engine mount upgraded ,because I broke mine due too excessive wheel hopping & ended up with a 10k warranty claim .
How did you get on with a warranty claim on a remapped car?
^^^ what he said
^^^ i'll second that ^^^
I got in touch with a revo installer just a mile down the road from me the other day, and he said the power gained would be somewhere between 310-325hp so your numbers are nearly the same as the ones I was quoted, but I think ill wait another 2 years until the warranty has ran out, as knowing my luck something would give and it would be down to the revo map causing it,
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How much would this increase insurance by (percentage terms)? What about reliability? To get similar figures out of the R VW had to modify the head and possibly the pistons, and use a bigger turbo. If they didn't have to do that I'm sure they wouldn't have gone to the trouble. Can the map be reversed when you sell the car?
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^^^ i'll second that ^^^
I got in touch with a revo installer just a mile down the road from me the other day, and he said the power gained would be somewhere between 310-325hp so your numbers are nearly the same as the ones I was quoted, but I think ill wait another 2 years until the warranty has ran out, as knowing my luck something would give and it would be down to the revo map causing it,
Either way, if you remapped your car whilst under warranty and your turbo blew you'd have to pay for it. If you were out of warranty then you would still have to pay for it. Why wait? :whistle:
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Was the wheel hopping just from spinning up due to the extra power and it not putting it down?
I wasn't getting much wheel spin probably because It was at Santapod and it was a very sticky track ,here is the video Of what happened ,the camera that I was using did have image stabilisation.
https://youtu.be/1ZANbsFAu_s
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When I had a stage 1 revo on my mk7 gti it was very impressive ,I never did get it on the rolling road to confirm the power ,but it seemed faster than my mk7 R which I have now , but word of warning get the bottom Engine mount upgraded ,because I broke mine due too excessive wheel hopping & ended up with a 10k warranty claim .
How did you get on with a warranty claim on a remapped car?
It was at agonising three-week wait to get the car fixed,the dealer told me that Volkswagen themselves would have to assess it because of the value of the repair ,I was sure they would plug it in &find the map. Even after it was repaired the dealer had it for another three days for extra testing & nothing was said.i even got the car back with the map still on it.
The damage to the car was new dsg , catalytic converter , radiator & some lover bit & bobs
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You would have thought they would have driven it at some point and someone would have thought dam this is faster than a normal gti!???
Madness! Not sure that would give me any faith in the mechanics that they couldn't notice it had a remap!
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It's not always easy to tell if a car is remapped when driven sensibly, believe it or not the majority of mechanics are very respectful of other people's property and won't give a car the beans unless it is specifically required for testing purposes... add to that we are living in the age of dash cameras and tracking devices most would rather keep their job than go for a joyride.
As for the "numbers" don't dwell on them too much. Variations from dyno to dyno aside a stock Mk7 GTI makes around 300bhp on any of the big name maps. There are Revo maps tailored for manual cars with a less aggressive torque delivery, I honestly couldn't tell you how many I've done, must be 25+ and never had any clutch issues. I've installed Revo maps on even more Golf Rs and I can only think of one that had clutch issues, but he was going stage 2 anyway and an uprated clutch was already on his shopping list.
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It's not always easy to tell if a car is remapped when driven sensibly, believe it or not the majority of mechanics are very respectful of other people's property and won't give a car the beans unless it is specifically required for testing purposes... add to that we are living in the age of dash cameras and tracking devices most would rather keep their job than go for a joyride.
As for the "numbers" don't dwell on them too much. Variations from dyno to dyno aside a stock Mk7 GTI makes around 300bhp on any of the big name maps. There are Revo maps tailored for manual cars with a less aggressive torque delivery, I honestly couldn't tell you how many I've done, must be 25+ and never had any clutch issues. I've installed Revo maps on even more Golf Rs and I can only think of one that had clutch issues, but he was going stage 2 anyway and an uprated clutch was already on his shopping list.
Totally agree.
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Ok thanks. So essential mods when getting a stage 1 are bottom engine mounts as well.
Any recommendations for good makes of these? Is this quite an expensive mod?
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Ok thanks. So essential mods when getting a stage 1 are bottom engine mounts as well.
Any recommendations for good makes of these? Is this quite an expensive mod?
I have one of these fitted, very effective and good value imho.
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/)
BTW i have a REVO stage 1 map on my CS and it's putting out 370bhp and 330 ft/lbs. It's manual and has done 3k miles now since the map and going great... :wink:
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Ok thanks. So essential mods when getting a stage 1 are bottom engine mounts as well.
Any recommendations for good makes of these? Is this quite an expensive mod?
I have one of these fitted, very effective and good value imho.
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/)
BTW i have a REVO stage 1 map on my CS and it's putting out 370bhp and 330 ft/lbs. It's manual and has done 3k miles now since the map and going great... :wink:
I've got one of these as well on my GTI PP (with DTUK tuning box) and it definitely improves the wheel hopping (although it doesn't completely eliminate it) - the only thing is you need to get under your car before ordering it to see which version you need. I ended up putting my mobile phone on the self timer and sliding it under the car on a bit of wood to take a photo of it.
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Ok thanks. So essential mods when getting a stage 1 are bottom engine mounts as well.
Any recommendations for good makes of these? Is this quite an expensive mod?
I have one of these fitted, very effective and good value imho.
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/)
BTW i have a REVO stage 1 map on my CS and it's putting out 370bhp and 330 ft/lbs. It's manual and has done 3k miles now since the map and going great... :wink:
I've got one of these as well on my GTI PP (with DTUK tuning box) and it definitely improves the wheel hopping (although it doesn't completely eliminate it) - the only thing is you need to get under your car before ordering it to see which version you need. I ended up putting my mobile phone on the self timer and sliding it under the car on a bit of wood to take a photo of it.
You didn't have any small kids to hand then that you could have shoved under the car :whistle:
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Do you need to get underneath to view the insert? I'm no expert on this sort of thing but isn't this mine right in the middle:
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah214/pete_caz/20170519_152002_zpsfaitipab.jpg) (http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/pete_caz/media/20170519_152002_zpsfaitipab.jpg.html)
If so then you can see it from the engine bay looking behind the engine.
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Ok thanks. So essential mods when getting a stage 1 are bottom engine mounts as well.
Any recommendations for good makes of these? Is this quite an expensive mod?
Managed to find a pic of the mount that broke,as you can see it's not the strongest looking part .
(http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag318/Garry_Mcdonnell/F6D4DF9B-B5A0-417A-B325-84D85ACF0A7D_zpsyjbmrut0.jpg)
(http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag318/Garry_Mcdonnell/8D9D61B3-B4DA-4CB0-A13F-9D7359102FE4_zpsqdhjlnfu.jpg)
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Ok thanks. So essential mods when getting a stage 1 are bottom engine mounts as well.
Any recommendations for good makes of these? Is this quite an expensive mod?
Managed to find a pic of the mount that broke,as you can see it's not the strongest looking part .
(http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag318/Garry_Mcdonnell/F6D4DF9B-B5A0-417A-B325-84D85ACF0A7D_zpsyjbmrut0.jpg)
(http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag318/Garry_Mcdonnell/8D9D61B3-B4DA-4CB0-A13F-9D7359102FE4_zpsqdhjlnfu.jpg)
Would you put this down to an accumulation of wear and tear / hard driving or just bad luck this one time? I am looking into a Stage 1 tune (possibly Revo) and would hate to have anything like this happen.
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I wouldn't put it down to wear &tear because the car was only six months old at the time , probably a combination of bad luck & a heavy right foot. If you are worried about breaking one I would suggest leaving the traction control on.
I hope I haven't put you off getting your car remapped ,it was amazing to drive & faster than my current golf R.
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I wouldn't put it down to wear &tear because the car was only six months old at the time , probably a combination of bad luck & a heavy right foot. If you are worried about breaking one I would suggest leaving the traction control on.
I hope I haven't put you off getting your car remapped ,it was amazing to drive & faster than my current golf R.
Thanks and yeah I still think I will get it done at some point and would probably get an upgraded mount but I've still got nearly 2 years warranty and it would stand out like a sore thumb at the service centre!
"So why did you feel the need to get an upgraded dogbone sir???!" :lipsrsealed:
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My insert went in way before the end of the warranty, as did my DTUK tuning box, Milltek cat back, Eibach springs, aftermarket wheels, Pipercross induction kit and vent mounted boost gauge. That said, I removed the induction kit as the noises it made (whilst a giggle at first) soon became tiresome - replaced with a pipercross panel filter with the snow filter removed.
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My insert went in way before the end of the warranty, as did my DTUK tuning box, Milltek cat back, Eibach springs, aftermarket wheels, Pipercross induction kit and vent mounted boost gauge. That said, I removed the induction kit as the noises it made (whilst a giggle at first) soon became tiresome - replaced with a pipercross panel filter with the snow filter removed.
So are you saying they did not question any of the mods and still honoured your service / warranty schedule?
The reason I would not worry so much about an ECU flash is that it can be reversed before a service / warranty work whereas anything more permanent (or at least a pain in the arse to take in and out) like a dogbone would likely have to stay in there and in my experience much like insurance companies they will most likely try to put the blame on you rather than pay out / do the warranty work.
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My insert went in way before the end of the warranty, as did my DTUK tuning box, Milltek cat back, Eibach springs, aftermarket wheels, Pipercross induction kit and vent mounted boost gauge. That said, I removed the induction kit as the noises it made (whilst a giggle at first) soon became tiresome - replaced with a pipercross panel filter with the snow filter removed.
So are you saying they did not question any of the mods and still honoured your service / warranty schedule?
The reason I would not worry so much about an ECU flash is that it can be reversed before a service / warranty work whereas anything more permanent (or at least a pain in the arse to take in and out) like a dogbone would likely have to stay in there and in my experience much like insurance companies they will most likely try to put the blame on you rather than pay out / do the warranty work.
Admittedly I took the tuning box off prior to it going into the dealers for anything, but the rest of it stayed on and no questions were asked. That said, the only warranty work I had done was a water pump though.
I'd be more wary of putting an ECU flash onto a car as apparently VW can tell if a car has been flashed and then returned to stock by the flash counter and/or checksum on the ECU and there were lots of stories of a TD1 flag being raised against a car (VWs way of saying they suspect a car has been flashed, even if returned to standard). The DTUK boxes are supposedly undetectable (I know DTUK did some testing) although if you leave the box on (or even the loom with the blanking plug fitted) and they see it they may flag it as TB1 (suspect tuning box).
A lot is down to particular dealers though, some are more 'mod friendly' than others.
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If you remove the dtuk box you also need to clear the fault codes it leaves. Overboost errors are the most common.
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If you remove the dtuk box you also need to clear the fault codes it leaves. Overboost errors are the most common.
Only if you've had them. Never had any on mine but then again I never turned it al the way up to 11 ( (C) Spinal Tap)
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I got APR stage 1 with 334bhp and 373 lb torque. I do have an intake and turbo muffler delete as well tho. Wheel spin is only really apparent if you put the foot right down in 1st and 2nd but I don't really gun it from a standstill. Pull on motorways is unreal
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I got APR stage 1 with 334bhp and 373 lb torque. I do have an intake and turbo muffler delete as well tho. Wheel spin is only really apparent if you put the foot right down in 1st and 2nd but I don't really gun it from a standstill. Pull on motorways is unreal
Do you have uprated engine mount? How long have you had the map on?
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If you remove the dtuk box you also need to clear the fault codes it leaves. Overboost errors are the most common.
Only if you've had them. Never had any on mine but then again I never turned it al the way up to 11 ( (C) Spinal Tap)
:grin: :grin:
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How much would this increase insurance by (percentage terms)? What about reliability? To get similar figures out of the R VW had to modify the head and possibly the pistons, and use a bigger turbo. If they didn't have to do that I'm sure they wouldn't have gone to the trouble. Can the map be reversed when you sell the car?
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Had my Revo map done Mk7 GTI about a year back, after a lot of research, absolutely epic and have surprised some far more expensivee machinery such as M4, AMG who have on occasion would their windows down and asked WTF have you got under the bonnett ! :smiley:
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Had my Revo map done Mk7 GTI about a year back, after a lot of research, absolutely epic and have surprised some far more expensivee machinery such as M4, AMG who have on occasion would their windows down and asked WTF have you got under the bonnett ! :smiley:
HI.
Did Revo do a DSG map for you as well?
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No i didnt have the DSG remaps, most of the time up change & downchanges are fin, there are occasions that i think that may be next on the list to do
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Whats the power spread like over the rev range? Much the same as standard just with more grunt?
Standard you can feel the boost at 2k but after that it just revs out with not much pull. Feels like that to me anyway.
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Power spread is great pulling all the way to redline and on boost without delay
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Had my map for a year now roughly and done 8000 miles with no issues. I have a scorpion decat downpipe and is38 turbo (bigger turbo from R) I'll b fitting around mid July
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Ordered remus diffuser that accommodates quad tail pipes and getting custom exhaust from decat back
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Apparently VWR Racing do a map and as they are local to me I may well go and check them out. They think it decreases the life of the standard clutch from about 80,000 miles to 40,000!