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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: TurboTrev on 15 May 2017, 21:25
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For the CS enthusiasts amongst us, yesterday I sent the following email to VWUK:
"Hi
Freedom of Information Request.
When the VW Golf GTI Clubsport Edition 40 was announced, your press release of 6/4/2016 confirmed that there would be no more than 1,000 examples made available to UK buyers - http://www.vwpress.co.uk/release-2612.htm .
Now that production of this model has been completed, I would be very grateful to know the total number actually imported for UK customers.
Many thanks."
First thing this morning I received the following response:
"Thank you for your recent enquiry to Volkswagen UK.
As this Golf GTI Clubsport Model is special edition, volume was limited to 1,000 units, as such this was based on a first-come, first-served basis.
I can confirm the figure of this model sold was 1,000 units in the UK. We would not be able to comment on the European Markets, In order to obtain this information I would recommend contacting them directly via the link below;
http://en.volkswagen.com/en.html
I hope this information proves useful and thank you for contacting Volkswagen UK.
Kind regards"
So it looks like the full 1,000 were imported, although so far, I have no knowledge of any numbered plaques beginning with an 8 or a 9.
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How come cars in Ireland didn't have a number plaque?
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Freedom of Information Request
Probably the 4 words I hate the most being a Council employee. People have too much time on their hands
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I may be wrong, but the response from VW sounds very much like it came from the marketing department.
1000 examples made their way to the Uk and were made available on a first come first served basis?
I got the impression that many CS were unsold and registered by the dealers to sell as pre owned to clear the stock before the 7.5 arrives in more serious numbers.
The 2006 Ed30 was supposed to be limited to 1500 UK examples, there are cars with plaques indicating 2000+ cars were registered.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were <1000 CS/Ed40's that came to the UK, there are certainly less than that number registered with private owners at the moment.
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87 of them currently in the VW used network
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I would be very interested to hear about or see pictures of plaques numbered 800 upwards.
I agree that the return email is not very convincing. It does sound like someone has used the press release to concoct a reply and not properly checked actual production numbers.
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It almost looks as though VW UK commissioned circa 1000 and the ones that didn't get a customer order were kept to a fairly basic spec and sold off to dealers as showroom cars that subsequently had to be pre-reg'd before April.
Mine was one of those and ended up getting registered in late March. Probably the smaller dealers used them as staff cars and bigger dealers just dumped them on forecourts to make way for incoming facelifted cars.
Mine is numbered in the low 200's yet was one of the later registered cars. There's no obvious pattern to numbering, maybe with the exception of press fleet cars. The VW Driver road test car was 004.
I think with the attitude of a lot of dealers around the 'no discounts due to limited numbers' mixed with the closeness of price to the R which on the face of it offers better value for money (unless you're a die hard GTI enthusiast) equals a very limited take up on cars. Kind of reminds me of the Pirelli editions that sold in low numbers and ended up with many being sat on forecourts for months after the mk6 was released.
It'll be a good time to pick up a ClubSport over the next few months if you're not overly hung up on spec, sales managers will get twitchy with unsold ones sooner of later. They're great drivers cars and no doubt 3 door DSG's with buckets will be a reasonable investment longer term.
It will be intersting to see if there are any higher numbered cars around. Unfortunately a lot of members probably won't be on forums which is a shame.
Full credit to Trev for asking VW UK. Just a shame the email didn't land on someone remotely interested's desk. I guess as a company VW UK just see it as old news now.
I wonder what VW has up its sleeve for this year's Worthersee treffen show special.
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Freedom of Information Request
Probably the 4 words I hate the most being a Council employee. People have too much time on their hands
Amen to that. Getting about 3 a week currently which means real work gets delayed.
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Freedom of Information Request
Probably the 4 words I hate the most being a Council employee. People have too much time on their hands
Amen to that. Getting about 3 a week currently which means real work gets delayed.
My son who works in finance in a similar public role would also agree.
However I'm sure VW HQ aren't working under the same conditions so just told Trev what they thought he wanted to hear. I doubt they spent more than five minutes on the request after rolling their eyes.
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I'm wondering whether the 150 CSS are included in the numbers as far as VW UK are concerned.
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Freedom of Information Request
Probably the 4 words I hate the most being a Council employee. People have too much time on their hands
Amen to that. Getting about 3 a week currently which means real work gets delayed.
My son who works in finance in a similar public role would also agree.
However I'm sure VW HQ aren't working under the same conditions so just told Trev what they thought he wanted to hear. I doubt they spent more than five minutes on the request after rolling their eyes.
Email certainly reads that way. It's an approach I'm tempted to adopt - 5 mins and some eye rolling can be arranged, lol.
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Certainly seems no logic to the numbering.. Mine is 103 but wasn't a really early car. Anyway the fewer the better as far as I am concerned, pretty sure I will never ever roll up next to one the same colour and spec as mine at the lights..
When I did a lot of ringing around and it's clear the pricing out a lot of people off.. And so I think dealers ordered poverty spec cars to use their allocation, meaning many white cars sitting around in showrooms. Someone on here bought the barnetts of Dundee car at a good discount - I could have bought that when still spec amendable in December but they would only knock £500 off so they paid the price by gambling on it..and got less for it.
That said if someone isn't too fussy on spec there are a few good buys sitting around at dealers now.
An official line on how many registered from VW would be nice though
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I was under the impression Clubsport S was limited numbers but standard Clubsport was just normal production...!
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I was under the impression Clubsport S was limited numbers but standard Clubsport was just normal production...!
VW were a bit non committal about actual numbers, they stated that it was "unlikely" they'd bring more than 1000 units into the UK, so whether that was what the factory told VW UK they were having or whether Milton Keynes decided to keep numbers to a reasonable amount is anyone's guess (I think the fuss over the ED30 numbers has still scarred VW UK even ten years later).
More notable was the launch statement that the ClubSport was a limited production run giving no numbers but hinting at they'd only be built for a certain (again unspecified) amount of time. That kind of makes sense as by the time UK build slots got going the mk7's production in general was about to be slowly would down.
With Dieselgate hitting VW sales in general and the better value R (to which a huge amount of GTI owners had jumped ship to) kind of hints that the ClubSport wasn't a big seller and the amount left in showrooms and on forecourts now, plus however many VW may have registered as staff cars at HQ which will be eased into the network gradually might point to only a few hundred customer orders.
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There is an unregistered oryx white 5 door with bucket seats in Listers Stratford Upon Avon, I forget what number it was but what did stick out was that the number plaque looked like someone had stuck it on with about 10 times too much glue.
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Freedom of Information Request
Probably the 4 words I hate the most being a Council employee. People have too much time on their hands
Amen to that. Getting about 3 a week currently which means real work gets delayed.
My son who works in finance in a similar public role would also agree.
However I'm sure VW HQ aren't working under the same conditions so just told Trev what they thought he wanted to hear. I doubt they spent more than five minutes on the request after rolling their eyes.
The Freedom of Information Act 2000 (c.36) is an Act of Parliament of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that creates a public "right of access" to information held by public authorities.
VWUK are not "public authorities"... the OP's email was badly worded, VW probably laughed and cut and pasted the first rubbish they could find.
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The Freedom of Information Act 2000 (c.36) is an Act of Parliament of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that creates a public "right of access" to information held by public authorities.
VWUK are not "public authorities"... the OP's email was badly worded, VW probably laughed and cut and pasted the first rubbish they could find.
As I formerly worked for the Government, I'm well aware of the scope of the FOI Act and that's exactly why I didn't add under the "FOI Act 2000". :smiley: I doubt whether the customer service clerk thought, ah as The Freedom of Information Act 2000 (c.36) is an Act of Parliament that doesn't apply us, ho ho, I'll just cut and past any old rubbish back. It's more likely that they saw the email as request for information, which it was, then having read the press release I linked just regurgitated some of that back in their own words?
Or, of course, they may have actually checked it out and responded accordingly. Anyhow, grateful for some better wording and I'll go back to them. :smiley:
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Probably better off trying to ask Ze Germans.
VWUK is just a marketing department of Ze Germans anyway and by their own admission, don't know sh1t.
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I asked vw Ireland about the numbered plaque and they replied and said it was not for this market
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I asked vw Ireland about the numbered plaque and they replied and said it was not for this market
Yeah when my sister got hers I asked her what number it was and she didn't know what I was talking about. I don't think it was that Irish cars didn't get the numbers and more a case of the UK market thought it would make the cars more 'special' with the number plaque. Hence the outlay of approximately 2p on each badge, half of that was for the glue :whistle:
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The numbering was a VWUK only thing, they're still smarting from the huge fuss owners made when the Edition 30 was initially listed as being 1500 cars and owners found out they imported around 2500 or more, hence the plaques that were retrofitted to the ED30 and subsequently fitted to the ED40.
I'm not sure what happened about the ED35 numbering, nobody was paying attention to that model such was its overwhelmingly under the radar launch and marketing. They didn't sell in big numbers that's for sure.
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Thats the first time I have seen ED40 used to describe the latest anniversary model.. Well done that man.
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Thats the first time I have seen ED40 used to describe the latest anniversary model.. Well done that man.
Probably because it has clubsport across both sides of it.
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I'll be honest - I slightly disagree that the FOI act 2000 is a bad thing. It's actually a very useful tool when used correctly and appropriately (for instance, trying to find out if a road has been inspected properly in support of a claim for pothole damage from a poorly maintained road).
It's the idiots that use it to try and find out how many paper clips were wasted in the last financial year that cause the unreasonable workload.
Unfortunately it has been deemed that personnel employed by public authorities need to be seen to be accountable (in some cases, with very good reason - although no finger pointing here lol)
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I'll be honest - I slightly disagree that the FOI act 2000 is a bad thing. It's actually a very useful tool when used correctly and appropriately (for instance, trying to find out if a road has been inspected properly in support of a claim for pothole damage from a poorly maintained road).
It's the idiots that use it to try and find out how many paper clips were wasted in the last financial year that cause the unreasonable workload.
Unfortunately it has been deemed that personnel employed by public authorities need to be seen to be accountable (in some cases, with very good reason - although no finger pointing here lol)
It's a pity the same didn't apply to the private sector and perhaps we wouldn't be in the state we are just now
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Anyone see an edition number in the 800 or 900s while looking at CS dealer stock?
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Doesn't the fact that Ireland didn't get unique build numbers give a hint as to why we aren't seeing plaques above 700?
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Doesn't the fact that Ireland didn't get unique build numbers give a hint as to why we aren't seeing plaques above 700?
It was only VW UK that numbered the cars, Southern Irish cars therefore aren't numbered.
Only the CSS's were numbered properly from the factory.
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Doesn't the fact that Ireland didn't get unique build numbers give a hint as to why we aren't seeing plaques above 700?
So you recon that Ireland got 300 clubsport's?
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Seems a bit heavy...
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Seems a bit heavy...
That is what I was thinking. My sister has only seen tow on the road, one black and the other was red like hers. There is a possibility that her car may be coming over here to the UK next year to its new owner, :whistle:
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At the very most I would say there was about 20 to 30 Clubsports sold in Ireland.
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At the very most I would say there was about 20 to 30 Clubsports sold in Ireland.
Any idea how many CSS went over there?
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Is this based on just seeing them? :huh:
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No CSS were sold in Ireland, If there is any then they were privately brought in from the UK.
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I'll be honest - I slightly disagree that the FOI act 2000 is a bad thing. It's actually a very useful tool when used correctly and appropriately (for instance, trying to find out if a road has been inspected properly in support of a claim for pothole damage from a poorly maintained road).
It's the idiots that use it to try and find out how many paper clips were wasted in the last financial year that cause the unreasonable workload.
Unfortunately it has been deemed that personnel employed by public authorities need to be seen to be accountable (in some cases, with very good reason - although no finger pointing here lol)
It's a pity the same didn't apply to the private sector and perhaps we wouldn't be in the state we are just now
If it applied to the private sector that would mean a level playing field so surely not allowed!
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By poverty spec cars do you mean omission of certain clubsport specs like the red edged seat belts /normal sills?
Have emailed VW Germany head office about this but they keep referring me to VWUk, the very people who don't know anything about their cars apart from marketing PR
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By poverty spec cars do you mean omission of certain clubsport specs like the red edged seat belts /normal sills?
Have emailed VW Germany head office about this but they keep referring me to VWUk, the very people who don't know anything about their cars apart from marketing PR
Poverty spec is a commonly used term from the motortrade to describe a car with no options fitted.
It came from the days when you were lucky to get carpet and a heated rear screen as standard, never mind luxuries like a basic radio or a passenger side wing mirror. A bit of a misnomer nowadays but it's an amusing enough depiction in a British sort of way so is still used.
Get some pics up NK :afro:
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Still haven't seen or heard of a CS with a number in the 800s upwards. Despite what VW UK say, I reckon there were less than 800 imported into the UK. I wonder how we can find out the definite number? Someone managed it for the Edition 30 back in the day, so it must be possible?
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I was also after this info and posted in the Clubsport thread before seeing this page!
I remember reading the press release when they were launched and it did seem a bit vague on numbers. They seemed to imply there would be 'around' 1000 units produced but with no hard stop number in place.
I think they were just trying to get as many orders in saying it would be 'first come, first served'
However being £31-32K basic price + options - it was probably a tough choice for a new car with some many other competitors (which are all faster! - Focus RS, M135i, Golf R, S3).
Not sure how often this is updated but howmanyleft seem to indicate 514 registered Edition 40 cars at the moment.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2cn8l6s.png)
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Nice one Faisal.
I wonder if this includes VW pre-reg'd cars that have never been taxed though? There are still 80 odd sitting on forecourts and some haven't ever turned a wheel on public roads.
The SMMT would probably have the true figures but you'd need to wait a while until all units are on the road fully registered in the UK.
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I was also after this info and posted in the Clubsport thread before seeing this page!
I remember reading the press release when they were launched and it did seem a bit vague on numbers. They seemed to imply there would be 'around' 1000 units produced but with no hard stop number in place.
I think they were just trying to get as many orders in saying it would be 'first come, first served'
However being £31-32K basic price + options - it was probably a tough choice for a new car with some many other competitors (which are all faster! - Focus RS, M135i, Golf R, S3).
Not sure how often this is updated but howmanyleft seem to indicate 514 registered Edition 40 cars at the moment.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2cn8l6s.png)
Interesting that the CSS has allegedly exceeded the 15 0units. Also, I make that 677 CS over the two years?
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Interesting that the CSS has allegedly exceeded the 15 0units. Also, I make that 677 CS over the two years?
Sorry I think you are not reading it correctly.
The number under the 2017 column is what you are looking for.
It is a cumulative figure - so 93 CSS registered in 2016 (total) and then 115 in 2017 so far - so there were an additional 22 registered in the 1st quarter of this year.
Also not included in those figures is 6 Clubsport's which are SORN and 10 Clubsport S
Also it looks like the figures will be updated at the end of each quarter - so hopefully in the next week or so the numbers should increase to reflect those registered by the dealers in the last few months.
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Interesting that the CSS has allegedly exceeded the 15 0units. Also, I make that 677 CS over the two years?
Sorry I think you are not reading it correctly.
The number under the 2017 column is what you are looking for.
It is a cumulative figure - so 93 CSS registered in 2016 (total) and then 115 in 2017 so far - so there were an additional 22 registered in the 1st quarter of this year.
Also not included in those figures is 6 Clubsport's which are SORN and 10 Clubsport S
Also it looks like the figures will be updated at the end of each quarter - so hopefully in the next week or so the numbers should increase to reflect those registered by the dealers in the last few months.
That's less than clear in the table which is headed 'cars licensed per year' but I see what you mean when looking at the site and also the meaning of the site, i.e. How many left...
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By poverty spec cars do you mean omission of certain clubsport specs like the red edged seat belts /normal sills?
Have emailed VW Germany head office about this but they keep referring me to VWUk, the very people who don't know anything about their cars apart from marketing PR
Poverty spec is a commonly used term from the motortrade to describe a car with no options fitted.
It came from the days when you were lucky to get carpet and a heated rear screen as standard, never mind luxuries like a basic radio or a passenger side wing mirror. A bit of a misnomer nowadays but it's an amusing enough depiction in a British sort of way so is still used.
Get some pics up NK :afro:
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o204/nk-1/IMG_2636.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/nk-1/media/IMG_2636.jpg.html)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o204/nk-1/thumbnail_IMG_2610_1.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/nk-1/media/thumbnail_IMG_2610_1.jpg.html)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o204/nk-1/IMG_2595_1.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/nk-1/media/IMG_2595_1.jpg.html)
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Loving the Silver.
Properly reminds me of the MK1
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Silver really is THE colour for a Clubsport IMO :cool:
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Loving the Silver.
Properly reminds me of the MK1
The CS looks great in silver.
I would say that as my old Campaign BRM (2.0L) was the inspiration for me buying a 3door PP in Tungsten silver.
(https://s26.postimg.org/a4ouyp3kp/golf_14july09_027.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/9f62mc311/)
Perhaps it needs the lower stripes? :smiley:
(https://s26.postimg.org/3m0lzigrd/20160113_pass_side.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5126o8hud/)
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I think silver really suits the shape. Shame they dropped it for the 7.5 as was going to be my choice.
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I think silver really suits the shape. Shame they dropped it for the 7.5 as was going to be my choice.
Yeah, reflex silver was going to be my choice too. Now it's White Silver.
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Couldn't resist adding to the reflex silver shots...
(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g350/Nick_Harnett/image2_zpsaqg5eci0.jpg) (http://s1097.photobucket.com/user/Nick_Harnett/media/image2_zpsaqg5eci0.jpg.html)
(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g350/Nick_Harnett/image3_zpswztdksoj.jpg) (http://s1097.photobucket.com/user/Nick_Harnett/media/image3_zpswztdksoj.jpg.html)
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Couldn't resist adding to the reflex silver shots...
(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g350/Nick_Harnett/image2_zpsaqg5eci0.jpg) (http://s1097.photobucket.com/user/Nick_Harnett/media/image2_zpsaqg5eci0.jpg.html)
(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g350/Nick_Harnett/image3_zpswztdksoj.jpg) (http://s1097.photobucket.com/user/Nick_Harnett/media/image3_zpswztdksoj.jpg.html)
Now you are making me Jealous 😉
I definitely think silver would have been more popular if they kept it for the 7.5 after seeing nice cars like that for the 7.
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Fantastic looking car.
Makes all this talk of the 7.5 variant being the pinnacle of GTI perfection quite laughable.
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Loving the Silver.
Properly reminds me of the MK1
The CS looks great in silver.
I would say that as my old Campaign BRM (2.0L) was the inspiration for me buying a 3door PP in Tungsten silver.
(https://s26.postimg.org/a4ouyp3kp/golf_14july09_027.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/9f62mc311/)
Perhaps it needs the lower stripes? :smiley:
(https://s26.postimg.org/3m0lzigrd/20160113_pass_side.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5126o8hud/)
Is your old BRM Campaign still alive?
Those old GTI Engineering and Brian Ricketts 2.0 engines were amazing. I'd absolutely love a go in one now just to see how they feel next to how the GTI has evolved.
My old mk1 had an early TSR engine which wasn't as well engineered probably as a BRM conversion but was cheaper and only 40 mins up the road from me.
Like yourself I've reverted back to the same colour as my mk1. Mine was Alpine White.
You could get some ClubSport style side graphics made up minus the writing to give your mk7 the mk1 look! :smiley:
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Yes A52HLC is till on the road thankfully, no doubt now worth a fortune.
The 2.0 was a BRM152 which gave close to 170bhp, the conversion including upgraded barkes cost over £8k, which was a lot of £££ at the time, on a rolling road the car weighed 864kg with fuel, some tools & shopping in the boot!
Despite owning cars with higher Bhp at the time, I sold it as it was like a crazed terrier, every time you took it out you arrive home realising you had driven like a lunatic.
It truly was a wolf in sheepy clothing with many scalps due to the power, gearing and light weight.
Definitely a car I wish I had kept, but then I still have a couple of cars I owned at the same time.
I have a couple of rolls of black electrical tape at home, I may have a play on the mk7 later! :undecided:
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With or without stripes they are both immaculate looking cars.
Loving the Silver.
Properly reminds me of the MK1
The CS looks great in silver.
I would say that as my old Campaign BRM (2.0L) was the inspiration for me buying a 3door PP in Tungsten silver.
(https://s26.postimg.org/a4ouyp3kp/golf_14july09_027.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/9f62mc311/)
Perhaps it needs the lower stripes? :smiley:
(https://s26.postimg.org/3m0lzigrd/20160113_pass_side.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5126o8hud/)
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Loving the Silver.
Properly reminds me of the MK1
The CS looks great in silver.
I would say that as my old Campaign BRM (2.0L) was the inspiration for me buying a 3door PP in Tungsten silver.
(https://s26.postimg.org/a4ouyp3kp/golf_14july09_027.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/9f62mc311/)
Perhaps it needs the lower stripes? :smiley:
(https://s26.postimg.org/3m0lzigrd/20160113_pass_side.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5126o8hud/)
Gorgeous Mk1 GTI! Always wanted a mk1 GTI and diamond silver was my fave colour.
My journey to the CS GTI was : mk1 golf CL , mk3 golf GL (100bhp), mk5 Golf GT TDI (140) to finally GTI Ed40
Kept the mk1 though its 60bhp is very different to the CS
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o204/nk-1/21a18491.jpg) (http://s121.photobucket.com/user/nk-1/media/21a18491.jpg.html)