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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: CHB100 on 08 May 2017, 16:01
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Just had a call from supplier, I was due delivery of my R tomorrow. Apparently Car already to go in valet bay and they can't open it !!!. Both sets of keys tried, so the tried to reprogram and still failed. Why?
Anyway have ordered new keys and delivering hire car in meantime.
Question does that sound feasible both keys failing when they obviously worked before, also surely issue is with the car not recognising signal. How will new keys help? :sad:
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It does seem strange neither key will work. Any possibility the supplier has mixed your keys up with those of another car and the keys they're trying are the wrong ones?
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You can open the car with the key rather than remotely can't you?
If its more than not just opening but also starting and with both keys, it sounds like something quite serious.
Checking the key numbers to the chasis number is simple on the computer, the only mistake might be not having mated them up in the factory perhaps or maybe even putting the wrong key in the car for delivery?
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To my understanding keys have to be in the ignition to recode them. ( may be wrong ) also they can actually get in the car by removing the cover adjoining the drivers door handle this hides the actual key hole. .
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Well apparently it's still stuck in shipping mode and is at Listers, Stratford. Just tried my wife's MK7 and lifted cap on door handle and manually entered. I wonder if manual access is shutdown also? or if not alarms will trigger. All very odd and New keys up to 10 b****** days away. So sweet 2.0L DSG something from tomorrow , but NOT an R!!!!
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It does seem strange neither key will work. Any possibility the supplier has mixed your keys up with those of another car and the keys they're trying are the wrong ones?
Impossible apparently, so I was told, yeah right!
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It does seem strange neither key will work. Any possibility the supplier has mixed your keys up with those of another car and the keys they're trying are the wrong ones?
Impossible apparently, so I was told, yeah right!
Yeah that would make sense being left the wrong keys but obviously the dealer isn't going to admit to his or her embarrassing error just fob the customer off with what they think is a plausible excuse :whistle:
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Have you been to view the car just in case the problem is something else and they're making it up? Lots of new cars arrive with bodywork damage some with considerable amounts. I really hope it's not that but I don't trust car dealers :whistle:
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Have you been to view the car just in case the problem is something else and they're making it up? Lots of new cars arrive with bodywork damage some with considerable amounts. I really hope it's not that but I don't trust car dealers :whistle:
That was my thought, surely they would know that the car can be opened with the key blade and they are just using the excuse to buy time.
If they mixed the keys up then they would have two cars that can't be opened.
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If they mixed the keys up then they would have two cars that can't be opened.
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This is true but if only this one car was dropped at that dealership and the other numerous miles away the wrong keys wouldn't be noticed until at the other dealership then they have to sort it out to get the right keys to the right cars at the correct dealerships....
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I had this problem a few Christmases ago with my Ford Focus. I'd had the car a couple of years by then so it wasn't new, but all of a sudden the key fob wouldn't unlock the car no matter how many times I tried. I walked into town to buy a new battery for it and it still wouldn't unlock the car.
In the end I simply unlocked the car old school by using the key in the lock. This seemed to reset the locking system when I opened the drivers door. It took a few pushes of the key fob to shut the alarm off, but all was well after that. Weird.
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I'm just curious and at work with my manual in the car at home, how do you open the car using the key blade assuming your keys cell is dead? Surely there must be a way but I've not noticed a keyhole.
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I'm just curious and at work with my manual in the car at home, how do you open the car using the key blade assuming your keys cell is dead? Surely there must be a way but I've not noticed a keyhole.
Drivers door handle where it meets the cover to the rear that forms the shape.
If you look underneath your handle you will see a slot insert key blade and lightly lift the cover pops off revealing your door key hole for manual entry if your keyfob battery dies :whistle:
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I'm just curious and at work with my manual in the car at home, how do you open the car using the key blade assuming your keys cell is dead? Surely there must be a way but I've not noticed a keyhole.
If you look under the rearmost part of your door handle you will see a little cutout, you put the key blade in there and twist while also pulling the handle but take care because it will fly off and could get chipped. I used some tape on mine to stop it flying away when I left my OBDeleven in the car overnight.
Once that is off you will see where to put the key in.
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I'm just curious and at work with my manual in the car at home, how do you open the car using the key blade assuming your keys cell is dead? Surely there must be a way but I've not noticed a keyhole.
Drivers door handle where it meets the cover to the rear that forms the shape.
If you look underneath your handle you will see a slot insert key blade and lightly lift the cover pops off revealing your door key hole for manual entry if your keyfob battery dies :whistle:
You beat me to it.
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I'm just curious and at work with my manual in the car at home, how do you open the car using the key blade assuming your keys cell is dead? Surely there must be a way but I've not noticed a keyhole.
Drivers door handle where it meets the cover to the rear that forms the shape.
If you look underneath your handle you will see a slot insert key blade and lightly lift the cover pops off revealing your door key hole for manual entry if your keyfob battery dies :whistle:
You beat me to it.
:grin: :grin:
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I'm just curious and at work with my manual in the car at home, how do you open the car using the key blade assuming your keys cell is dead? Surely there must be a way but I've not noticed a keyhole.
Drivers door handle where it meets the cover to the rear that forms the shape.
If you look underneath your handle you will see a slot insert key blade and lightly lift the cover pops off revealing your door key hole for manual entry if your keyfob battery dies :whistle:
Many thanks, i didn't know that...
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I'm just curious and at work with my manual in the car at home, how do you open the car using the key blade assuming your keys cell is dead? Surely there must be a way but I've not noticed a keyhole.
Drivers door handle where it meets the cover to the rear that forms the shape.
If you look underneath your handle you will see a slot insert key blade and lightly lift the cover pops off revealing your door key hole for manual entry if your keyfob battery dies :whistle:
Many thanks, i didn't know that...
No problem happy to help :whistle:
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How did the OP car get driven off the transporter if neither of the keys work?? I'd be heading down to dealership if it was my new car as something fishy is going on!
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How did the OP car get driven off the transporter if neither of the keys work?? I'd be heading down to dealership if it was my new car as something fishy is going on!
Thinking the same, myself. If the physical key fits the door locks, then it must be possible to reprogram the electronics - assuming that both keys have somehow become disconnected. New keys? Why? Sounds very strange.
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Would go and look at car. My wife was due to collect her new Mini , a few years ago, and was telephoned by dealer to cancel handover for a couple of days because of an update issue on the software. We never gave it a thought and took delivery a few days later. When selling the car ,three years later ,I got my local Chipsaway guy to sort out some stone chips pre sale. He asked if we knew the car had been partly re sprayed ! It was done very well and only a trained eye could see it. So your Golf may have had aknock in transit and is in body shop now . Go see. BTW , ever since, I have been interested in this pre delivery damage issue and have a client who actually repairs Volvos when they get damaged in transit, Last time I was in ,he had one of those new massive SUV things Volvo has just introduced ,with a crumpled roof ! He could repair it like new so owner would never know ! Lovely .
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How did the OP car get driven off the transporter if neither of the keys work?? I'd be heading down to dealership if it was my new car as something fishy is going on!
In shipping mode using key blade, apparently. Just fobs don't work.They have had the odd key faulty but not both in recent memory. Car is at main fleet? centre, not at dealers. As came through a discount broker, also this is Listers not a small outfit. Seems very genuine and they are mailing photos of car later on to re-assure. They said no way damaged and they have to report it if so.
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The bigger the dealer the less truth you will get.
They do not have to report any transport damage either. (to you at least, VW probably pay for the repair) Cars are routinely repaired before delivery. You can listen to the advice or pretend it doesn't happen, totally up to you. I can understand you don't want to entertain the fact they may be being dishonest but the fact is that they are. Routinely. It affects their profit margin otherwise.
If they told you it was having a new quarter panel and full side respray, would you want the car? No, thought not. They know this so they take care of it and most people would never spot the car had been painted. This isn't an issue until you try and put in a warranty claim for corrosion and you get told it's been painted in the past so no warranty. You have nowhere to go but your own pocket as the original dealer denies anything was done.....
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All looks good here from pics I've been mailed, and believe me I'm as suspicious /untrusting as anyone I've ever met. At times it's the person on the end of the phone or looking in the eyes. But thanks for the scares I know you guys all mean well, and care. Have pics of car in pound lots, how do i post again? forgotten and ride height looks off roader!! Still in Ship mode? Or DCC not engaged? Cheers!
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All looks good here from pics I've been mailed, and believe me I'm as suspicious /untrusting as anyone I've ever met. At times it's the person on the end of the phone or looking in the eyes. But thanks for the scares I know you guys all mean well, and care. Have pics of car in pound lots, how do i post again? forgotten and ride height looks off roader!! Still in Ship mode? Or DCC not engaged? Cheers!
Awesome. Not intending to scare just offering some friendly advice, some dealers are right pigs. Glad you've got some info confirmed and you can look forward to getting your car :cool:
For pics you'll need to use an image host like photobucket or similar. I think there's a sticky around here somewhere with details.
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I can prove that Listers lie about damage as it happened to me with them. I won't go into details about what happened but both the dealer and the group flat out denied the car had been damnaged. It took a report from Hoopers to get them to admit it. Car was then rejected.
When I put my cars in transport mode the car won't start but I suppose they might have a different transport mode.
The car looks like it is in off-road mode because it still has the transport blocks in the springs.
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If this works will bore you all with some more! Bear in mind not pro standard and car not cleaned.(http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr225/crackerboxpal/20170509_154444-min.jpg) (http://s486.photobucket.com/user/crackerboxpal/media/20170509_154444-min.jpg.html)
And more...
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If this works will bore you all with some more! Bear in mind not pro standard and car not cleaned.(http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr225/crackerboxpal/20170509_154444-min.jpg) (http://s486.photobucket.com/user/crackerboxpal/media/20170509_154444-min.jpg.html)
That looks great CHB100, even in its uncleared state.
Are you entrusting it to the dealers to clean, with the risk of them inflicting swirls to the paintwork, or will you be getting it professionally detailed (or doing it yourself)?
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Probably just let them do it in the circumstances, will look into basic detailing kits myself and check out any pros in the my area. What sort on money would you expect to pay for pro detailing a new car?
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Probably just let them do it in the circumstances, will look into basic detailing kits myself and check out any pros in the my area. What sort on money would you expect to pay for pro detailing a new car?
I've not personally used a pro detailer, as I've got a machine polisher and tend to do my own detailing.
The cost would very much depend on what type of detail you had done - enhancement or correction - and the type of protection you choose; wax or sealant. Hopefully some of the forum members who've had their cars professionally detailed will be able to give you a better idea, based on the work they had done.
You'd hope that the dealer wouldn't inflict too many swirls on your paintwork, in which case a single stage enhancement detail ought to be sufficient on a brand new car. I'd guess that for a car the size of a Golf, the cost of an enhancement detail would probably be in the range £300-£400.
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The car looks great, but if you want to keep it that way, tell the dealer to leave it alone and wash and wax it yourself... carefully :smiley:
Really sorry to hear about the missing key bullsh!t, it's not an ideal way to start off with a new car.
Hopefully it is a genuine balls up and no damage has been done to your lovely new R .
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Car looks fab. :cool: Congratulations on your new R.
As others have said, worth considering collecting it unprepped and detailing it yourself - lots of advice to be had in the detailing section of the forum. Or consider pro detail - less important about dealer prep if doing that as any decent pro new car detail should include a single stage polish, as well as decontamination and protection, so not the end of the world if dealer does prep it. Costs for pro detail vary massively depending on your chosen protection, so range from, £250 upwards to £600-700 (if you choose a ceramic coating such as Gtechniq Crystal Serum). Best to check out some local detailer and look at packages available.
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Probably just let them do it in the circumstances, will look into basic detailing kits myself and check out any pros in the my area. What sort on money would you expect to pay for pro detailing a new car?
DON'T DO IT!!!! as other peeps have said dealer preps WILL damage your paintwork whether it be swirls or scratches in the paint.
The paint is very soft and prone to marks IMO tell them to leave it unprepared ( plenty of dealer horror stories on here ).
As Becs ( Booth ) has said there's plenty of tips and how too's in the detailing section and at a budget to suit all that's just starting out.
A pro job can be £250 upwards but to start off all you need is good wash products a decent wax and sealant job done. :whistle:
30K plus for a lovely R example and to leave it to the garage monkey thats uses a sponge full of dirt etc all over your new paintwork it a NO FROM ME lol
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Lol. What ^^^ he says!
Wouldn't be overly asshole-y about t though if possible. Makes life easier all round if you maintain good relations with the dealer. Just ask them nicely to carefully remove the stickers and at most give it a touch-less jet wash. No sponges!
No need to bring it to a pro though imo. I've done it myself before but won't do it again. It's a lot of money and I think I'd get greater satisfaction doing it myself.
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I've got the gtechnic exo ceramic stuff on mine and it's the best paint protection I've ever had on a car. Also makes washing it a doddle too. Expensive yes but worth every penny in my opinion. All I said to the dealer was remove transport wrap and then leave it please as it's going straight to get professionally detailed. Dealer said ok that's fine no problem :smiley:
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Yeah I fully agree you only need ask them not to hand wash or prep it and that will be fine.
Mines just been in for its 1st service I was offered the complementary wash I declined dealer said ok and wrote NP WASH on work sheet.
And iv also got one of these ( FLEE BAY 171399704080 ) which hangs on your rear view mirror
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To all detailers,, first think how long do you own the car. Assume you have bought with own cash or HP . Whatever you will mostly be selling on and getting the next variation In 3 years?. I've been there in 60s/70s Lotus, BMW 2002 turbo,Tii,TR6, Porsche, Williams, 182, Gti's all marks and loads more. The majority not from new, this is by far the most I've spent on a car. And intend to keep it, it may even be my last!? This detailing to me is losing sight of short term ownership, so much time spent on it, do you guys not have other commitments or interests? you will get very little more in return than anyone who goes through the local car wash. I know it can be therapeutic and satisfying.
I'm 70 and know the buzz, from weekends spent on motors,re built my own Lotus7 did all maintenance, clutches, brakes, long before the days of dealer servicing leaving only time for wash and maybe polish, depends on your circumstances I guess or age! Although I am asked for ID when asking for age discounts. 20 at heart, and looking fwd to enjoying my R for whichever lasts the longest.
Btw I am looking at this Gretech pro ceramic? Treatment as a one off £500 fcs my lady thinks daft.
PS Have had some vino as on my tod tonight, hope not too incoherent, fellow Golfers
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Gtechnic exo ceramic should cost you more than £500 if applied by a pro detailer. To me it's not about the next owner benefiting if and when that is it's about trying to keep the car paintwork looking nice for me now and making it easier to clean regularly. You will also get some benefit come sale time as a car regularly car washed or done by the sponge jockeys at your local supermarket will look worse than a carefully looked after car and will almost definitely get you more, might not be much but it will.
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Gtechnic exo ceramic should cost you more than £500 if applied by a pro detailer. To me it's not about the next owner benefiting if and when that is it's about trying to keep the car paintwork looking nice for me now and making it easier to clean regularly. You will also get some benefit come sale time as a car regularly car washed or done by the sponge jockeys at your local supermarket will look worse than a carefully looked after car and will almost definitely get you more, might not be much but it will.
So can you get say 5years from this Gtechnic? And only wash it thereafter. What kit and products do you use, I'm starting from scratch (so to speak) as formerly one bucket micro fibre hand held and leather man!
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To all detailers,, first think how long do you own the car. Assume you have bought with own cash or HP . Whatever you will mostly be selling on and getting the next variation In 3 years?. I've been there in 60s/70s Lotus, BMW 2002 turbo,Tii,TR6, Porsche, Williams, 182, Gti's all marks and loads more. The majority not from new, this is by far the most I've spent on a car. And intend to keep it, it may even be my last!? This detailing to me is losing sight of short term ownership, so much time spent on it, do you guys not have other commitments or interests? you will get very little more in return than anyone who goes through the local car wash. I know it can be therapeutic and satisfying.
I'm 70 and know the buzz, from weekends spent on motors,re built my own Lotus7 did all maintenance, clutches, brakes, long before the days of dealer servicing leaving only time for wash and maybe polish, depends on your circumstances I guess or age! Although I am asked for ID when asking for age discounts. 20 at heart, and looking fwd to enjoying my R for whichever lasts the longest.
Btw I am looking at this Gretech pro ceramic? Treatment as a one off £500 fcs my lady thinks daft.
PS Have had some vino as on my tod tonight, hope not too incoherent, fellow Golfers
The primary reason I bought a new car was for original, factory paint. A properly maintained car looks fantastic when it catches the light in the sun, a poorly maintained (take your pick from "hand car wash", automatic roller washes etc) car will reveal all sorts of paint defects (i.e. swirls, crazing etc).
Just like cars mechanically have progressed a lot, so has paint and the way it is (or should be) cared for.
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Gtechnic exo ceramic should cost you more than £500 if applied by a pro detailer. To me it's not about the next owner benefiting if and when that is it's about trying to keep the car paintwork looking nice for me now and making it easier to clean regularly. You will also get some benefit come sale time as a car regularly car washed or done by the sponge jockeys at your local supermarket will look worse than a carefully looked after car and will almost definitely get you more, might not be much but it will.
So can you get say 5years from this Gtechnic? And only wash it thereafter. What kit and products do you use, I'm starting from scratch (so to speak) as formerly one bucket micro fibre hand held and leather man!
The exo ceramic has a 7 year guarantee and all I do is wash the car now. I use foam, two bucket wash drying towels, wowo wash mits etc etc, wowo wheel kit etc. Biggest thing is nothing sticks to the paintwork if it's been applied properly and I've also gtechnic protection on the alloys which means brake dust crap doesn't stick either. (Other methods and other products can be used) :whistle:
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Yippee! R due for delivery key fob sorted. Monday pm. Think I'll go for R222 kit but can't find it available anywhere. Basisically would like a complete starter kit and top as needed. I don't want to be a weekend slave at the detail alter. :wink:
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To all detailers,, first think how long do you own the car. Assume you have bought with own cash or HP . Whatever you will mostly be selling on and getting the next variation In 3 years?. I've been there in 60s/70s Lotus, BMW 2002 turbo,Tii,TR6, Porsche, Williams, 182, Gti's all marks and loads more. The majority not from new, this is by far the most I've spent on a car. And intend to keep it, it may even be my last!? This detailing to me is losing sight of short term ownership, so much time spent on it, do you guys not have other commitments or interests? you will get very little more in return than anyone who goes through the local car wash. I know it can be therapeutic and satisfying.
I'm 70 and know the buzz, from weekends spent on motors,re built my own Lotus7 did all maintenance, clutches, brakes, long before the days of dealer servicing leaving only time for wash and maybe polish, depends on your circumstances I guess or age! Although I am asked for ID when asking for age discounts. 20 at heart, and looking fwd to enjoying my R for whichever lasts the longest.
Btw I am looking at this Gretech pro ceramic? Treatment as a one off £500 fcs my lady thinks daft.
PS Have had some vino as on my tod tonight, hope not too incoherent, fellow Golfers
To be honest, you speak a lot of sense. Most guys on here will chop and change every 2-3 years so spending ludicrous sums to wash a new car is lunacy stuff when you think rationally about it (and I include myself here).
So I've come to the conclusion that there is a balance to it. There's no point trying to achieve a concours finish on a daily driver "shopping trolley" car because it will break you mentally. But I still couldn't bring myself to use a local sponge / rollers carwash! If you have the time / energy / patience it's fairly rewarding to keep on top of it DIY. So I see it as a hobby. I've little faith, from experience, of detailers who claim years worth of protection from a sealant. I just don't believe any sealant gives you maintenance free for years on a car that's in daily use.
As for getting extra for the car come trade in time - no. Not really. Dealers don't care so long as it isn't an obvious wreck. Mileage and year on the plate are the main factors determining what they'll offer you for it.
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No matter what people think you will get a bit more for your car trading it in if it's in better condition than a car that hasn't been looked after.
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No matter what people think you will get a bit more for your car trading it in if it's in better condition than a car that hasn't been looked after.
I think there is a difference in looking after a car and spending hundreds of pounds on car detailing equipment.
Latest experience of this is when I traded in my 2005 Mk1 TT 3.2 manual (owned from new) in for my Golf. I washed this car on a weekly basis, clay barred and waxed twice a year, complete Audi service history(even for new tyres) and when it came to trade in, the dealer just glanced around the car. He did comment on the condition. When I mentioned the cleaning regime I used to perform on the car he told me it would not make a difference to the trade in value, as the car would go out to auction. Yes I could have got a bit more for it privately but didn't want the 'tyre kickers' coming around.
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Yeah in a private sale, a tidy, well minded car will certainly sell much easier and for a bit more than average. But a dealer isn't gonna be the slightest bit interested in your washing regime.
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No matter what people think you will get a bit more for your car trading it in if it's in better condition than a car that hasn't been looked after.
I think there is a difference in looking after a car and spending hundreds of pounds on car detailing equipment.
Latest experience of this is when I traded in my 2005 Mk1 TT 3.2 manual (owned from new) in for my Golf. I washed this car on a weekly basis, clay barred and waxed twice a year, complete Audi service history(even for new tyres) and when it came to trade in, the dealer just glanced around the car. He did comment on the condition. When I mentioned the cleaning regime I used to perform on the car he told me it would not make a difference to the trade in value, as the car would go out to auction. Yes I could have got a bit more for it privately but didn't want the 'tyre kickers' coming around.
What did you think they were going to do with a 2005 TT but give it to an underwriter or auction?
If it is a 3 year old car then the condition will matter, although the dealers sponge monkeys will probably ruin it by the time it's sold.
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To all detailers,, first think how long do you own the car. Assume you have bought with own cash or HP . Whatever you will mostly be selling on and getting the next variation In 3 years?. I've been there in 60s/70s Lotus, BMW 2002 turbo,Tii,TR6, Porsche, Williams, 182, Gti's all marks and loads more. The majority not from new, this is by far the most I've spent on a car. And intend to keep it, it may even be my last!? This detailing to me is losing sight of short term ownership, so much time spent on it, do you guys not have other commitments or interests? you will get very little more in return than anyone who goes through the local car wash. I know it can be therapeutic and satisfying.
I'm 70 and know the buzz, from weekends spent on motors,re built my own Lotus7 did all maintenance, clutches, brakes, long before the days of dealer servicing leaving only time for wash and maybe polish, depends on your circumstances I guess or age! Although I am asked for ID when asking for age discounts. 20 at heart, and looking fwd to enjoying my R for whichever lasts the longest.
Btw I am looking at this Gretech pro ceramic? Treatment as a one off £500 fcs my lady thinks daft.
PS Have had some vino as on my tod tonight, hope not too incoherent, fellow Golfers
For me detailing is part of the whole ownership of the car enjoyment and experience - just like driving it, servicing it properly, modifying bits here and there, and every other aspect of it. I don't do it for the next owner or to get better trade in value (which it doesn't really affect), just as I don't spec a new car with that in mind, I spec exactly what I want (and can afford) and I detail because I get a lot of satisfaction out of having my car looking as good as is possible given the time (and money) I wish to spend on it. If I had anything for 3/4 years I would look after it, and not treat it as a disposable item. That said, you do sell your car privately, then a car well cared for and kept in very good condition will be a more attractive proposition and can attract a better price, that certainly proved to be the case when I sold my mk6 GTI to another enthusiast. Not the reason for detailing it but an added bonus.
Detailing is therapeutic but that secondary to me (I do yoga, pilates and have the odd massage all of which are also therapeutic so that's kind of taken care of), the main aim and desire is to have the car in great condition for my own enjoyment. I own my car outright but I would treat it the same regardless of means of paying for it. People have all sorts of interests and passions and what they choose, how much time and money they spend on them is purely personal.
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To all detailers,, first think how long do you own the car. Assume you have bought with own cash or HP . Whatever you will mostly be selling on and getting the next variation In 3 years?. I've been there in 60s/70s Lotus, BMW 2002 turbo,Tii,TR6, Porsche, Williams, 182, Gti's all marks and loads more. The majority not from new, this is by far the most I've spent on a car. And intend to keep it, it may even be my last!? This detailing to me is losing sight of short term ownership, so much time spent on it, do you guys not have other commitments or interests? you will get very little more in return than anyone who goes through the local car wash. I know it can be therapeutic and satisfying.
I'm 70 and know the buzz, from weekends spent on motors,re built my own Lotus7 did all maintenance, clutches, brakes, long before the days of dealer servicing leaving only time for wash and maybe polish, depends on your circumstances I guess or age! Although I am asked for ID when asking for age discounts. 20 at heart, and looking fwd to enjoying my R for whichever lasts the longest.
Btw I am looking at this Gretech pro ceramic? Treatment as a one off £500 fcs my lady thinks daft.
PS Have had some vino as on my tod tonight, hope not too incoherent, fellow Golfers
For me detailing is part of the whole ownership of the car enjoyment and experience - just like driving it, servicing it properly, modifying bits here and there, and every other aspect of it. I don't for the next owner or to get better trade in value (which it doesn't really affect), just as I don't spec a new car with that in mind, I spec exactly what I want (and can afford) and I detail because I get a lot of satisfaction out of having my car looking as good as is possible given the time (and money) I wish to spending it. If I had anything for 3/4 years I would look after it, and not treat it as a disposable item. That said, if you do sell your car privately, then a car well cared for and kept in very good condition will be a more attractive proposition and can attract a better price, that certainly proved to be the case when I sold my mk6 GTI to another enthusiast. Not the reason for detailing it but an added bonus.
Detailing is therapeutic but that secondary to me (I do yoga, pilates and have the odd massage all of which are also therapeutic so that's kind of taken care of), the main aim and desire is to have the car in great condition for my own enjoyment. People have all sorts of interests and passions and what they choose, how much time and money they spend on them is purely personal.
i'd agree totally but with myself being disabled i'm unable to do the (t-cutting) (that's how long since the accident) detailing so it's a case of going to the guys who do the jet washing etc (found a good one).. i still have my old mk5 gti and i'll miss her when i upgrade to the 7.5 and i'd think this will be my last upgrade so i'll wont her to stay young with no swirls unlike the mk5.. so getting something like this for me is a must, i was considering ppf but that will be too much £ for me... thanks for the advice. :)
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Gtechnic exo ceramic should cost you more than £500 if applied by a pro detailer. To me it's not about the next owner benefiting if and when that is it's about trying to keep the car paintwork looking nice for me now and making it easier to clean regularly. You will also get some benefit come sale time as a car regularly car washed or done by the sponge jockeys at your local supermarket will look worse than a carefully looked after car and will almost definitely get you more, might not be much but it will.
So can you get say 5years from this Gtechnic? And only wash it thereafter. What kit and products do you use, I'm starting from scratch (so to speak) as formerly one bucket micro fibre hand held and leather man!
The exo ceramic has a 7 year guarantee and all I do is wash the car now. I use foam, two bucket wash drying towels, wowo wash mits etc etc, wowo wheel kit etc. Biggest thing is nothing sticks to the paintwork if it's been applied properly and I've also gtechnic protection on the alloys which means brake dust crap doesn't stick either. (Other methods and other products can be used) :whistle:
Be aware that Exo and Crystal Serum are two different products but often used together by pro detailers.
Crystal Serum is a ceramic coating that is pro detailer application only and bonds with the paint at substrate level and to remove has to be wet sanded off. Gtechniq state it gives 7 years protection (guaranteed), but as I said on another thread, most enthusiasts have moved onto other cars long before then and never find out if this is the reality, but most detailing manufacturers overstate these things.
Gtechniq Exo is an additional coating that can be applied on top of Crystal Serum (or other coatings) which adds a highly hydrophobic layer on top of the ceramic base coat, and this helps to repel dirt, water etc, and will be the coating that reduces the maintenance element to a good degree. The lifespan of this is 12-18 months, so if you are keeping a car long term then this will need reapplying every other year or so, unlike the Crystal Serum.
If you are looking for a very easy care regime then both the above combined are a great choice and you can effectively just wash and go, or if you want you can refresh now and then with C2v3 or another nano/polymer sealant, every month to 6 weeks. A great option to keep things well protected and relatively low maintenance, just the initial outlay to consider (it's not cheap) and an awareness that the Exo (should you choose it) will need reapplying in the future but that can be done either by a pro detailer or by yourself, unlike Crystal Serum.