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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: WWCSS on 07 May 2017, 20:29
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Hi Guys,
Mine is up to 1200 miles now, nicely run in and was driving superbly.. until today.
The fantastic gearbox shift action has gone all stiff and notchy - much harder to select gear, and also a feeling that the clutch pedal might be sticking slightly.
This started after a couple of fast standing starts to experiment more with the VAQ diff settings. Nothing this car shouldn't be able to handle over and over!
I am really not impressed, and it seems there are many Golf R manual owners citing similar issues on their cars too.
I'll keep you updated..
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I'm on a thousand miles now,since I've had it , 3rd gear has always seemed a bit notchy up and down the gears
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I am worried now about the fragility of this gearbox, and I know it will stop me from using the car to it's full potential - I probably will never take it on track now.
It's going back to VW this week, let's see what the verdict is..
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I think it's the clutch that's the weak point. I began to suffer a few issues with my Clubsport S changing gear at higher revs. I posted here wondering if anyone else was aware of the problems. Got a few responses, mostly saying that Golf R clutches are ok, and the Clubsport was designed for the extra power.
Talk to independent garages selling Golf Rs and they'll tell you to avoid manual cars as they often sufffer clutch issues. By all accounts Rs have the same clutch as a GTI and it's likely to be the same one on the Clubsport cars too. Best solution is to fit an uprated Sachs clutch like some of the modified GTI and R owners have done.
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As sharper says, better clutches are available.
See here: https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-car/volkswagen/golf-mk7/sachs-performance-clutch-kit-for-volkswagen-golf-mk7-r/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-car/volkswagen/golf-mk7/sachs-performance-clutch-kit-for-volkswagen-golf-mk7-r/)
Good for up to 550 lb/ft if you go for sintered...
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Thanks Guys - good advice, I might well consider the Sachs upgrade, as I don't want to be afraid of using the car to it's full potential.
This is an interesting read too on a US MK7 forum:
http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17581 (http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17581)
My car is at VW today, and they have come back with the usual 'no fault found'.
Luckily there's a brand new CSS on their sales floor, so I will compare the gear change on both and get them to dig deeper..
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Thanks Guys - good advice, I might well consider the Sachs upgrade, as I don't want to be afraid of using the car to it's full potential.
This is an interesting read too on a US MK7 forum:
http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17581 (http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17581)
My car is at VW today, and they have come back with the usual 'no fault found'.
Luckily there's a brand new CSS on their sales floor, so I will compare the gear change on both and get them to dig deeper..
I look forward to your update on this...
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I'm on a thousand miles now,since I've had it , 3rd gear has always seemed a bit notchy up and down the gears
I had an issue with my Mk6 GTI, 3rd gear was always notchy and occasionally would not engage at all. After many visits to the dealer that made no difference, I was advised by one of the mechanics to fit a 'dogbone insert' as according to him there was excessive movement of the engine gearbox, but not enough for VW to do anything about it.
This made a huge difference to the gear change
Don't know if this is the correct one for your car, but worth a look for the price.
https://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/VW_Golf_MK7__Dogbone_Bush_Insert_Type_B--product--1566.html
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I have one of these fitted to my CS, good upgrade for the price...
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/)
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If you end up going for an after market clutch look at the Helix as having run Helix and Sachs on identical platform cars my left leg got way more of a work out with the Sachs which was heavier.
I also did inserts given moment issues on previous cars
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I have one of these fitted to my CS, good upgrade for the price...
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/)
Very interested in the 034 insert's effect on the Clubsport. It was in my list prior to picking up the car. Then it felt so good that I forgot about it and even went up to 350+ bhp without feeling that I needed to strengthen the mount. How and by how much did it change the shifting feel for you? Also do you run more power than stock?
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I have one of these fitted to my CS, good upgrade for the price...
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/)
Very interested in the 034 insert's effect on the Clubsport. It was in my list prior to picking up the car. Then it felt so good that I forgot about it and even went up to 350+ bhp without feeling that I needed to strengthen the mount. How and by how much did it change the shifting feel for you? Also do you run more power than stock?
I'm running a REVO stage 1 on the 99 ron fuel map so I'm at about 370bhp and felt it needed a bit more support at the bottom end. Helps reduce wheel hop when setting off and all feels a bit more connected and less flobbery. Very slight increase in engine vibration through the transmission but nothing to worry about, I'd recommend one to anyone with a tuned GTI or R.
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I too was thinking about the 034 for my CS as I had one on my previous GTI and it cured a notchy 2nd gear but it also felt much more positive with the 034 and to be honest as scanesare stated the CS feels more solid (less loose) than the standard GTI, which made me think the CS has upgraded engine mounts / dogbone. Surely the more positive feeling of the CS cannot just be as a result of upgraded springs!! Good to hear it made a difference to your CS RALEIGH.
RWLEIGH, is yours a manual or DSG?
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I too was thinking about the 034 for my CS as I had one on my previous GTI and it cured a notchy 2nd gear but it also felt much more positive with the 034 and to be honest as scanesare stated the CS feels more solid (less loose) than the standard GTI, which made me think the CS has upgraded engine mounts / dogbone. Surely the more positive feeling of the CS cannot just be as a result of upgraded springs!! Good to hear it made a difference to your CS RALEIGH.
RWLEIGH, is yours a manual or DSG?
Mine's a manual but REVO do a map with that in mind as they say on their site, see quote below.
"As vehicles are available with either a manual or DSG gearbox. Revo stage 1 software is available in 2 formats, low boost for manual gearboxes and a high boost for DSG and manual gearboxes with uprated clutches. The peak performance stays the same, however in the low boost software option our calibration engineers have been able to use torque management to limit boost at lower RPM before raising it to the same level as the high boost option. Offering protection of the stock clutch to help avoid slipping and reduce wear."
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Thanks rwleigh. Any protest from the clutch, in the higher gears?
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Thanks rwleigh. Any protest from the clutch, in the higher gears?
Non at all, I had it mapped at 1k and it's now done 3k with no issues what so ever...
Goes like a stabbed rat! :laugh:
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I have one of these fitted to my CS, good upgrade for the price...
https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/ (https://www.awesomegti.com/shop-by-brand/034motorsport/034motorsport-billet-aluminium-mqb-dogbone-mount-insert/)
Very interested in the 034 insert's effect on the Clubsport. It was in my list prior to picking up the car. Then it felt so good that I forgot about it and even went up to 350+ bhp without feeling that I needed to strengthen the mount. How and by how much did it change the shifting feel for you? Also do you run more power than stock?
I'm running a REVO stage 1 on the 99 ron fuel map so I'm at about 370bhp and felt it needed a bit more support at the bottom end. Helps reduce wheel hop when setting off and all feels a bit more connected and less flobbery. Very slight increase in engine vibration through the transmission but nothing to worry about, I'd recommend one to anyone with a tuned GTI or R.
Good to hear. Although how much is that slight increase in vibration is a bit subjective as I have found with previous mounts. Maybe in the future I could go down that way.
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All great comments and suggestions - thanks everyone.
I am collecting my CSS tomorrow from VW, no fault found - so I guess it is just down to the gearbox shift action bedding in. I will most certainly look at the uprated clutch and suggested inserts too.
Do Awesome GTi fit the 034 insert, or is it a DIY possible job?
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All great comments and suggestions - thanks everyone.
I am collecting my CSS tomorrow from VW, no fault found - so I guess it is just down to the gearbox shift action bedding in. I will most certainly look at the uprated clutch and suggested inserts too.
Do Awesome GTi fit the 034 insert, or is it a DIY possible job?
No, they send it to you in the post.
You need a good jack (preferably axle stands), a breaker bar and a torque wrench... :smiley:
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If you do a search on the "other" Mk7 forum, there is loads of info about the 034 insert - fitting and experience. It's a very popular mod over there.
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Definitely agree axle stands are best, if not use two separate jacks one either side as the first time I fitted mine I just jacked up one side and it felt slightly out of alignment so based on that experience I would recommend you lift both sides of the car or use the axle stands.
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Not a good idea to work under a car using jacks, one or two. Axle stands, properly set up, will not let go and squash you!
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This place is near me - I'll drop in there for an hour or so to get this done.
http://www.pitstartgarage.com/index.html
Anyone have experience with the APR adjustable short shifter? It looks like a good bit of kit
http://www.goapr.co.uk/products/short_shifter_trans_6mt.html