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Title: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: karlak on 06 April 2017, 13:18
So, my GTD is due back at the beginning of May, so I have contacted VW to arrange for it to be picked up.

They use British Car Auctions who will contact me,  But, what is bizarre is that they have to come here twice.  Once for the inspectiona and appraisal, then another date to pick the car up.  So not only do I need to be here and have the car available (obviously) for two days, what happens if the car incurs damage between the inspection and pickup dates. ???  Not very well thought out at all..

On that note, is anyone in the market for a well looked after GTD with 33K miles ?
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: sam67GTD on 06 April 2017, 13:26
Are you moving away from VW?  :whistle:
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: fredgroves on 06 April 2017, 14:00
What sort of figure would your GTD be worth?

I take it that you aren't having another new VW?
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: karlak on 06 April 2017, 15:02
Sorry, should have said.

I have a new GTD 7.5 on order, but this time it is a lease rather than a PCP, due  middle of May.  I did look at lots of other options, but the DGS GTD just seems to do everything really well - Will be the first time I have changed a car for the same model.

The car has £16,500 (ish) to pay to buy it from them as a balloon payment.  Dealer wasnt interested taking it off me even when we tried a like for like PCP, as I suppose they cant get enough out of selling it on, so I checked out the leasing route.  I would much much prefer to sell it to someone privately, just so that VW cant turn it around and make some easy money.

Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: TonyJ on 06 April 2017, 15:41
So, my GTD is due back at the beginning of May, so I have contacted VW to arrange for it to be picked up.

They use British Car Auctions who will contact me,  But, what is bizarre is that they have to come here twice.  Once for the inspectiona and appraisal, then another date to pick the car up.  So not only do I need to be here and have the car available (obviously) for two days, what happens if the car incurs damage between the inspection and pickup dates. ???  Not very well thought out at all..

On that note, is anyone in the market for a well looked after GTD with 33K miles ?

I have a GTD on personal lease with VWFS, finishing at the end of this month, and am going through exactly the same process. Two visits, two days off work (potentially)  -  and struggled to get the current end date to co-incide with the arrival date of my new GTD.
... and I agree, what if something happens between the two dates ..? I suspect the collection guy just collects it, and does not bother if there is any damage etc.
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: fredgroves on 06 April 2017, 15:44
The VW dealer wouldn't take it from you to start another VW PCP?

How common is that?

I've heard people say that the price offered can be right down to the GFV, leaving you no deposit for the next deal, but I've never heard of it falling flat like this!
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: karlak on 06 April 2017, 15:55
The VW dealer wouldn't take it from you to start another VW PCP?

How common is that?

I've heard people say that the price offered can be right down to the GFV, leaving you no deposit for the next deal, but I've never heard of it falling flat like this!

The quote for a like for like (in fact it was lesser spec-wise)Golf on a PCP was over a £100 more a month than I am paying now.  He was suitably embarrassed  and suggested just handing mine back. That would be with nothing given back to me on the current Golf.

 I think VW are going to catch a real cold over these PCP hand-backs in the coming months.  Someone in Finance 3 years ago was having a very bad day with the predicted values.

On a positive note, the VW fleet sales guy I am dealing with regarding my new PCH is loving it, as he is getting loads more private leases from people like myself.
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: fredgroves on 06 April 2017, 16:47
So was it worse because the trade-in value of your old one didn't give you a deposit? I assume you had a sizeable deposit and VFWS contribution on the old one?

The GFV did seem a little high TBH, but I have heard people say on here that some of the original Mk7 PCP deals were loaded like that. On the other hand, you've made the savings over the years, so its VWFS who are really screwed.
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: dereks on 06 April 2017, 16:51
My dealer is telling me to voluntary terminate my PCP as it's not going to even break even at the end of the contract.
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: karlak on 06 April 2017, 17:06
So was it worse because the trade-in value of your old one didn't give you a deposit? I assume you had a sizeable deposit and VFWS contribution on the old one?

The GFV did seem a little high TBH, but I have heard people say on here that some of the original Mk7 PCP deals were loaded like that. On the other hand, you've made the savings over the years, so its VWFS who are really screwed.

Oh yes, definitely VWFS will be screwed and yes, I appreciate my Monthlies were lower because of it.

Just done a WebuyAnycar quote and it looks like I could be better off giving it to them (certainly no worse off), than handing back.  Will wait until a day or so before it is due back and then decide.  If nothing else, it wont waste two days of my time waiting for two separate appointments

Not sure whether it is worth trying Private or not.  It does have some extras that mean it is worth more to the private individual than the trade, just not sure it is worth the hassle.
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: fredgroves on 06 April 2017, 17:29
Aren't there various other trade buyers who give better rates than WBAC? Seem to remember there are...

Have you checked the CAP value using something like this: https://www.capconnect.co.uk/ConsumerValues/Ford.aspx?CH=PWRTZ

Out of interest, is leasing really that much cheaper? Whenever I've looked at it because you don't get the VWFS contribution it usually works out more.
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: karlak on 06 April 2017, 17:36
Aren't there various other trade buyers who give better rates than WBAC? Seem to remember there are...

Have you checked the CAP value using something like this: https://www.capconnect.co.uk/ConsumerValues/Ford.aspx?CH=PWRTZ

Out of interest, is leasing really that much cheaper? Whenever I've looked at it because you don't get the VWFS contribution it usually works out more.

Like for like, the Leasing is around £100 less than PCP. Have been totally upfront with the dealer and both the retail and the fleet guy, so just asked them both for the best they can do. 

PCH can have some incentive payment back.  I have got some money coming into my account before I have to pay my deposit, all helps with the overall cost of ownership.
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: fredgroves on 06 April 2017, 17:39
Hmmm

I don't have your reg to use, but just going on the spec in your sig, the max CAP value is £15,300 - no wonder the dealer didn't want it! But check it yourself.

The people like WBAC etc probably would try to low ball it too - £13k maybe.
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: karlak on 06 April 2017, 18:17
Hmmm

I don't have your reg to use, but just going on the spec in your sig, the max CAP value is £15,300 - no wonder the dealer didn't want it! But check it yourself.

The people like WBAC etc probably would try to low ball it too - £13k maybe.

WBAC are coming back just under £15300.  So I am pretty much middle for diddle if I give it back or sell to WBAC. 

Have a few weeks to decide anyway.  Just going to be interesting when BCA want to come and see it, they better be very flexible on dates and times, especially as it is two separate appointments.
Title: Re: PCP Handback process - silly procedure.
Post by: SRGTD on 06 April 2017, 18:27
WBAC are likely to low ball it; I haven't checked recently, but I think their website asks you to give details of any damage on the car so their web valuation reflects their best, most realistic price before they see the car to appraise it.

I've got a friend who moved overseas last year and needed to sell their car quickly. They took it to WBAC who adjusted their internet valuation down because, in their view, the car was 'damaged' - it had a few small wear and tear stone chips consistent with the age of the car.

So, to the OP; if you do go the WBAC route, just be prepared for a drop in their web valuation of your car when they see it and appraise it.