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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: k77nrs on 03 April 2017, 22:45
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Evening All,
I'm considering a set of 18 inch 'Belvedere' wheels for my Clubsport S.
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/k77nrs/clubsport%20belvedere%2018%20wheels_zpswuhctjpb.jpg)
The main reasons being...
I like the look of them (minority I suspect).
Very lightweight forged wheel - 7.9 kg each, and '40' section tyres both potentially improve ride.
Keep original Pretoria's and Cup 2's in 'As New' condition, and potentially use them for summer European road trip.
I would plan to fit a more road biased tyre as well, thinking about a 235/40 18 Michelin Pilot Sport 4. The main reasons being...
Maintain 235 width of standard 19inch tyre.
Give a better overall compromise for mixed road driving, in dry and wet weather.
I don't have any complaints about the current 19's and Cup 2's, but feel they might be a bit of a handful if / when we get a wet spell.
My main reason for the post is to ask if anyone else has gone to the Belvedere 18's on a CSS? Does anyone know if the brakes on the CSS will cause any compatibility issues? I think they are the same calliper as used on the regular Clubsport, just a different disc?
Alternatively, does anyone have any experience or suggestions for alternative forged / lightweight 18" wheels?
Thanks.
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Correction, weight is 7.6kg per wheel....
Thanks.
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You'd need 225/40 tyres rather than 235 as the wheels are 7.5J not 8 like the Pretorias
There are a few sets on eBay.de at the moment that are brand new but the only ones I saw with postage to the UK had Bridgestones fitted.
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cant give any advice on the wheels but getting rid of the slicks and going on to a road tyre will make a big difference , slicks are no good for our changing weather since i went on to continentals i have so much more confidence in the wet. kept the pilots for the next owner to have or a track day.
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I like the CS 18" wheel, but for the money I think I would prefer to buy a set of BBS as a spare set for less £££.
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somebody knows the price per wheel when you buy these afterwards?
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somebody knows the price per wheel when you buy these afterwards?
See here:
https://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/wheels-18-inch-rims-belvedere-vw-golf-7-vii-gti-genuine-volkswagen.htm
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Or £2k posted with the ultra desirable Bridgestones http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-18-Rims-Golf-7-VII-GTI-Clubsport-Belvedere-Alloy-wheels-Normal-tyre-NEU-/172512213356?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
There are other cheaper sets on eBay.de
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You'd need 225/40 tyres rather than 235 as the wheels are 7.5J not 8 like the Pretorias
There are a few sets on eBay.de at the moment that are brand new but the only ones I saw with postage to the UK had Bridgestones fitted.
Thanks for that, but I've read elsewhere that a 235 would be the Max width that could be used with the smaller 7.5J width. Could well mean some other compromise in terms of steering feel though?
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cant give any advice on the wheels but getting rid of the slicks and going on to a road tyre will make a big difference , slicks are no good for our changing weather since i went on to continentals i have so much more confidence in the wet. kept the pilots for the next owner to have or a track day.
Hi there Bigwod. Did you go to the Conti Sport 6? How do they compare in the dry?
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I like the CS 18" wheel, but for the money I think I would prefer to buy a set of BBS as a spare set for less £££.
Hi Clubsport. I'm also a big fan of BBS, but not sure I would get a proper Forged set of BBS for a similar price to the Belvedere? Do you have any suggestions that would work with the CSS brakes?
I think I might have to go for cast ones in the price bracket? I'm actually thinking the 18inch CS wheels are quite good value for a forged Otto-Fuchs wheel.
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3 or 4 sets of Belvedere's with tyres on eBay at the moment, located in Germany, they all appear to be in very good condition, prices on average around £1600. Have them on my Clubsport and find them excellent, suits the car well and very easy to clean.
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I put the conti 5s on , great in the dry and the wet.
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When I changed to winter tires back in December I asked the guy to weigh them. He even said while removing them (before weighing) "those wheels feel super light for an 18", how come?" :wink:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/No_need_2_r_gue/Clubsport/public/2016-11-25%2010.31.44_zps8tlhsrhn.jpg)
I was reading in other forums that people fitted 235 tires on 7.5J wheels like this and they were fine. To be honest, these wheels would make even more sense on the CS-S, but I guess it had to do with VW and Michelin deals on the 19" size?
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I think you are making a wise choice and keeping it oem means they are an attractive proposition and something like the new Michelins or Sport Contact 5s would be a good match.
These are crazy light when compared to what you see on the after market
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http://www.fuchsfelge.de/index.php?id=1188&L=1
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somebody knows the price per wheel when you buy these afterwards?
See here:
https://www.kunzmann.de/shop/en/wheels-18-inch-rims-belvedere-vw-golf-7-vii-gti-genuine-volkswagen.htm
They now have the Brescias on here for 1339 euros (approx £1150) as well when they were twice that a couple months ago. To say I'm tempted would be an understatement
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When I changed to winter tires back in December I asked the guy to weigh them. He even said while removing them (before weighing) "those wheels feel super light for an 18", how come?" :wink:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/No_need_2_r_gue/Clubsport/public/2016-11-25%2010.31.44_zps8tlhsrhn.jpg)
I was reading in other forums that people fitted 235 tires on 7.5J wheels like this and they were fine. To be honest, these wheels would make even more sense on the CS-S, but I guess it had to do with VW and Michelin deals on the 19" size?
They really are nice wheels, would look great on my GTI :drool:
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When I changed to winter tires back in December I asked the guy to weigh them. He even said while removing them (before weighing) "those wheels feel super light for an 18", how come?" :wink:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/No_need_2_r_gue/Clubsport/public/2016-11-25%2010.31.44_zps8tlhsrhn.jpg)
I was reading in other forums that people fitted 235 tires on 7.5J wheels like this and they were fine. To be honest, these wheels would make even more sense on the CS-S, but I guess it had to do with VW and Michelin deals on the 19" size?
Hi Scanesare, thanks for the reassurance on the 235's.
I think the main reason the CSS has 19's as standard is the availability of the Cup 2 tyre in that size. It's a 'N0' spec tyre, so looks like they have pinched the tyres directly from the Porsche Parts Bin!
I also suspect the 19's offer marginally better steering response, but I'm willing to take a punt on a set if 18's to see if the reduced unsprung mass and inertia gives any ride improvement.
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I put the conti 5s on , great in the dry and the wet.
Definitely on my shortlist, have had those on previous cars and been impressed with them. I think my preference is the Michelin Sport 4. They seem to be quite good value at the moment. You can pick up the 18's in a 235/40 size for around £100 each.
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Rekindling this thread: has anyone tried 18s on the Clubsport S? And, if so, what did you go for and do you have photos?
Thanks
Mark
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Rekindling this thread: has anyone tried 18s on the Clubsport S? And, if so, what did you go for and do you have photos?
Thanks
Mark
I have toyed with the idea of 18 for better pliancy but feel that I might have to go for rally raid wheels from Oz Racing given the roads. I solved the problem more cost effectively - SORN the CSS and don't spend the money in the end.
I need to fix this for the TCR which I run through winter and think I'm going to end up with Racing Line Cup Edition and transfer the PS4s that are fitted now. Not dissimilar fitment so when I get to it, I'll share some pictures. I was about to order when I saw the Evo version announced and then thought I'd see what they're like in the metal. But this is borne of practicality, more than performance or aesthetics as I have had a couple of potholes incidents despite being incredibly careful. Rain filled potholes at night are the devil's work.
What's on your shortlist?
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Same concerns here: I want a nice looking, robust set up suited better to our roads than the 19 Pretorias which I will take off and store.
My preferred wheel is the 18 OZ Leggera HLT, but I have considered the ones you are looking at too. Didn't know about the new version - do you have a link as can't find them?
Keen to see what they look like on a CSS. And torn over whether to go 235 or 225 (as standard on the ED 40 18s - which I like too). I would prefer the former so a 235/40/18 - probably PS4S.
Ignore me. I have found the Cup Evos. Nice looking wheel but my immediate concern is the load rating (560kg) is much lower than the original Cups (750kg), albeit the same as the OZ Leggera HLT I am eyeing up.
Do you know what the load rating on Prets is? I asked Borbet but they declined to tell me...
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PS I should add, I think the CSS is particularly hard on alloys due to the extra camber it runs (they always seem to bend on the inner edge). Not helped by standard Cup 2s that have a firmer side wall than PS4S etc.
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What I actually care about is the impact test load (ISO7141) but it's not available for the Pretorias. I think both Borbet and BBS made the wheels but neither publish specification data, nor do VW although when I checked with my dealer they told me the wheels are load indexed to 615kg but didn't have any further information on impact rating. It's a chore trying to find technical data for most wheels.
I SORN'd the CSS over winter as the solution and will continue to do so as I can't really drive it as intended given road conditions but have been debating swapping the Pretorias for Racing Line R360 wheels for a change. They're load indexed to 650kg and an ISO7141 impact test load of 570kg.
The TCR which is used year round will find itself on Racing Line Cup wheels for winter I think - they appear to be the most robust wheel and I'd argue that something designed to take kerbs will be able to take the occasional pothole. Not entirely in love with the aesthetic but function over form. I think I'll probably swap them on to the CSS to see how they feel in use.
I like the OZ Leggera HLT, they remind me of the BBS FI-R which I have on my GT4. If you get the OZ Leggera wheels, please share some pictures, they could persuade me away from the R360s! Assume you'll go silver / grey?
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Useful info re impact rating. I have emailed OZ and will report back. Colour wise I am going to get as close to Pret colour as I can so greyish / silver.
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I'm running the HLTs at present but recently bought the Belvederes which will relegate them to winter duty.
https://share.icloud.com/photos/096z4oV6Eab9rQaPETkGAxuqg
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Thank you. Helpful. Seeing them on your car, while they look great, I actually think I prefer the Belvedere. But the offset looks better on the HLTs. What size tyres do you have on them?
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Yes, they do fill the arches better than stock.
I'm running 225/40/18 as I've read Michelin tests this size on 8J rims as well.
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Thanks