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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: ahfh1 on 29 December 2016, 10:20
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Hi,
In a slight dilemma over whether to wait and see what the discounts will be on the facelift model, or to bite the bullet and get a pre facelift model where I know I can get around 22% discount.
Do VW ever do discounts on facelift models?
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Surely you meant to post this on the mk7 section?!
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I would expect the usual brokers to be offering discounts straight after launch. Its a mainstream, high volume model, regardless of the 'facelift'!
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There will still be discounts, but they might not be quite as generous as the 22% you're seeing. Likely they'll reduce the deposit contribution, up the list price or up the APR% on finance. A price rise is almost a cert - the other 2 things are a distinct possibility!
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I have a sneaky feeling a lot of the standard equipment won't be standard like Winter Pack, Keyless and possibly Sat Nav.
That way the price difference won't appear that much.
Or if they reduce the offer of Dealer Contribution to say £1k, the car has effectively went up in price without an actual price increase if you know what I mean.
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Surely you meant to post this on the mk7 section?!
Yes, you're right! Apologies!
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I have a sneaky feeling a lot of the standard equipment won't be standard like Winter Pack, Keyless and possibly Sat Nav.
That way the price difference won't appear that much.
Or if they reduce the offer of Dealer Contribution to say £1k, the car has effectively went up in price without an actual price increase if you know what I mean.
Ah yeah, gotcha! Really hope they keep the sat nav as standard, as this is standard on similar sized cars like the BMW 1 series which I was tempted by.
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That will be very interesting to see. I agree its going to look very mean without sat-nav although I expect Winter Pack will be back on the options list.
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I think basic sat nav will be standard , hope they leave keyless as standard as well
Does anyone know when the order books are open ?
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I think some models will be February, with deliveries in April.... but whether that is GTI/GTD/R remains to be seen....
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Guys have you seen the new car tax being brought in from the 1st April 17. Might be worth working out how much extra this is going to cost you, you might be better off ordering one asap .
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Guys have you seen the new car tax being brought in from the 1st April 17. Might be worth working out how much extra this is going to cost you, you might be better off ordering one asap .
Does anyone know what the current car tax is on the GTI?
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It's £130 for 12 months as just done mine.
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The first year and subsequent years are different are they not?
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The first year and subsequent years are different are they not?
Yes they are. Something I didn't realise under the new system is that for cars with a list price of £40k or more, there's an additional £310 VED surcharge payable each year for the first 5 years, after which time it reverts to the new standard flat rate of £140.
With the facelift Golf, if you go crazy with the options, will it be possible to end up with a list price of £40k or more? Probably, on some of the top models. If so, a mk7.5 Golf GTI specced up to the hilt with an assumed list price of £40k-plus and the GTI emissions of 145.2 - 148 g/km (from German VW website), VED would be; year 1 £510, each of the next 4 years; £450. (Sub £40k list price, it would be year 1; £200 and years 2-5; 140 each year).
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vehicle-excise-duty/vehicle-excise-duty
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That new VED scheme is barking mad.
I don't just mean from my own personal perspective - this actively encourages people further down the line to not care about environmental damage with their second hand car choices.
That April 2017 registered 4x4 suddenly becomes highly attractive!
On the other hand, the 2016 4x4 you currently own will be massively worthless.
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Alot depends on what colour your gonna be wanting on a facelift or new golf as I notice they have tweaked the colour options and done away with the carbon grey to me seems to be a mistake as it's a very nice colour albeit I'm not bias but it's a shame :whistle:
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is the new VED rate based on the price you pay for the car based makers list price
or what you pay after you negotiate a discount from the dealer ?
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is the new VED rate based on the price you pay for the car based makers list price
or what you pay after you negotiate a discount from the dealer ?
The government VED document at the link in reply #14 above refers to list price. I have always understood manufacturers list price to mean the published price in price brochures / on configurators, plus the published price for any options selected, and not the price after any finance contribution or discount negotiated by the customer with the dealer. If so, this makes a £40k Golf a reality from a VED perspective, especially a Golf R or highly specced GTI / GTD.
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is the new VED rate based on the price you pay for the car based makers list price
or what you pay after you negotiate a discount from the dealer ?
The government VED document at the link in reply #14 above refers to list price. I have always understood manufacturers list price to mean the published price in price brochures / on configurators, plus the published price for any options selected, and not the price after any finance contribution or discount negotiated by the customer with the dealer. If so, this makes a £40k Golf a reality from a VED perspective, especially a Golf R or highly specced GTI / GTD.
That's mental, so two Golf R drivers could be paying different tax because of extra option boxes they ticked. Surely a better way would be the price of the standard car without extras? I don't suppose common sense and the government go hand in hand.
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No its just like the valuation for company car tax... List price including options. And yes different people pay different tax on that too depending on what you spec.
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That's mental, so two Golf R drivers could be paying different tax because of extra option boxes they ticked. Surely a better way would be the price of the standard car without extras? I don't suppose common sense and the government go hand in hand.
If options weren't included you might get some crafty manufacturers offering their cars for £39k but that was literally for just the shell.
You had to add steering wheel, wheels etc until its well over £40k and you don't pay the new tax!
I remember when hot takeaway food started to get taxed, chip shops round our way were giving you free chips but you paid for the salt and vinegar. So the price stayed the same as it was before the tax hike.
It didn't last long though :smiley:
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If options weren't included you might get some crafty manufacturers offering their cars for £39k but that was literally for just the shell.
You had to add steering wheel, wheels etc
BMW do that already :D
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Yeah, this is a concern for my next car. My GTI is just over 3 years old (with a 5 year warranty) and I do fancy another Golf, but probably an R...which I know will not come in at under £40k as I specced my GTI to £35k list...without leather or PP.
As a 7.5 Golf will not be available to me until to tax changes come into effect, I think I will now wait it out for the Mk8 (or something else) unless there are MASSIVE discounts on the facelift cars!
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Just keep the spec under 40k?
It is possible to go crazy with the options, but equally perfectly possible to stay under 40k.
The problem will only get worse anyway - the 40k limit will be around for several years (I doubt they will review that number before 5 or 10 years are up) yet inflation and post-Brexit price rises will push the list price upwards anyway. Your Mk8 will definitely need at least one less option to hit under 40k.
More and more vehicles will come under the extra tax regime - which is what HMRC actually want.