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Title: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: clubsport on 04 December 2016, 19:31
Today turned out to be quite a special and memorable day for me.

Many thanks to ViperGTS for showing me round and allowing me to drive his new car.

I currently own a GTi PP which I find to be a good road car with the potential to have some fun,  at the time of purchase I also considered a 997 GTS but the Golf won, mainly for it’s practicality.

I am old and experienced enough to make my own view on cars, having owned quite a few real Porsche Clubsport variants when manufacturers were allowed to do it properly!  :smiley:

I was cautious not to be over influenced by any preconceived judgement of the popular motoring journalists.
Having been fortunate enough to have participated in a few car magazine group tests, some involving world class racing drivers, I have a reasonable idea of the process and what makes a car stand out among it’s peers.
A few weekend visits to the ring have also proven that you don’t just turn up with a car out of the box and not find some area of the drive or dynamics that disappoints.
Apologies for the tedious prologue, I just wanted to point out I am not some wide eyed fanboy, looking at the shiny Golf! (It was shiny!  :laugh:)

Initial impressions, for those unfamiliar with the Golf, at first glance it may look a little disappointing, maybe even bland, however the detail is there.
Apart from the larger wheels, brakes (ali bells) and exhaust pipes, the lack of parking sensors or front corner lights, show VW have paid attention to the Clubsport ethos.

Lighter battery.

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For those with a keen eye, there does appear to be some negative camber on both front and rear axles, this looks far more pronounced on the rear compared to the regular GTi set up.

Front camber

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Rear camber

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Looking under the bonnet, it could be stock GTi, apart from the slightly smaller battery fitted and the repositioning of the smaller windscreen fluid reservoir. After all every litre of water weighs an extra Kilogramme. (@4degrees C).

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In the cabin, the sports buckets are as comfortable and supportive as any other German manufacturer would supply, the alcantara steering wheel is more tactile than the regular GTi offering, although felt to be the same size. The rear view mirror is not the anti dazzle type you find in the GTi, just a flat mirror without a casing, that must save 200g? :huh:

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The Clubsport-S. steering wheel does not have adaptive cruise buttons, but does have the front assist, which you can deactivate.
Looking through the set up, on either race or individual settings, there was no evidence of the mythical “Nurburgring” setting.  More on this when I discuss driving the car.

Behind the wheel, at slow speeds the control weights are regular GTi, driving slowly apart from a little more noise from the exhaust and the odd stone flicking up under the arch which is amplified by no rear seats, no doubt due to lack of trim or sound deadening.

We drove over typical undulating twisty Kentish B roads, with only 70 odd miles on the clock the car obviously felt tight and had instant pick up without any rattles whatsoever.
Importantly the ride even in race was fine, communicative and so direct. So often on cars that have been modified from standard you find something has not been totally resolved such as the negative tendency to tramline.

As I mentioned earlier having driven the ring a few times, it is unlike a conventional race circuit in that you really need some compliance in the suspension to stay on line.
The lack of Nurburgring mode now doesn’t surprise me as such, the “race” setting felt perfectly compliant, I now wonder if this race mode was “ring” mode on this model?
The Nordschleife is a public toll road after all, we found race was spot on for the B roads we drove on.

After having been privileged to drive Viper’s car, I have to say I get it and was suitably impressed.

When I jumped back into my own GTi PP, I retraced the route we had driven as a comparison.
My own car, which I know well and is run in was great along those roads, there are a couple of tight second gear turns  where I could feel the benefit of the VAQ diff playing it’s part.

So, to summarise the Clubsport-S.
It is perfectly tractable and provides so much feedback, exactly what a Clubsport variant of a regular model should offer.
I feel VW have put quite a lot of effort into this car, more than is immediately apparent, the important point being, even on a short drive the car let’s you know it’s potential. I can’t stress that enough.

From my brief drive, this car may not be for every GTi owner (apart from the 2 seats).
You get the impression the capabilities of this car are way beyond the regular GTi, it will come into it’s own where the GTi ordinaire has become ragged. You really need the space and scope of a track to exploit that.
It really does feel as if they have developed the car to work with the driver, compared to some ring specials like the Ruf CTR which just wants to kill you and you need race driver talent to keep on the road, the Clubsport-S feels like it will be on your side.

Once again many thanks to ViperGTS, great to catch up and for letting me drive his sublime Clubsport-S.
Sadly I missed out on an allocation of a Clubsport-S, but will definitely look out for the opportunity to own one at a sensible price in the future.
Having owned and driven some of the best Porsche lightweights as well as some of their newer "GT" specials, I can honestly say I would take the keys to this Golf variant over a GT4.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: volkswizard on 04 December 2016, 19:42
(is that a Morgan Aero 8 with rear exit exhausts?)
Clubsport, in the absence of my own CSS for at least a week or so, your driving experience based review has been very welcome and I'm glad you found the hype justified.  Thank you and thanks to Viper for making it happen  :cool:

I am pretty sure anything Nurburgring branding anything requires a fee to be paid to the trade mark holder so that might explain the absence of anything official on the car - I presume Vauxhall/Opel paid plenty for the privilege of branding their Astra VXR 'Nurburgring' but then they sponsor the England football team..
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: TurboTrev on 04 December 2016, 20:19
Great review that I'm sure will reassure those S owners that are still waiting for theirs to arrive. :cool:
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: Jackie Treehorn on 04 December 2016, 21:08
thanks for the review, lovely car Viper

It does look like a shed load of rear camber  :shocked:
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: GT4 on 04 December 2016, 21:28
Great review and much appreciated until you got to the point that you would rather have a front engined, front wheel drive turbo charged car than a Mid engine, rear wheel drive, naturally aspirated GT Porsche haha - I guess I must count myself lucky to have both LOL 😂

Back to CS-S ... how is the driving position and what does the car sound like ... on all the videos it sounds terrible and fake and synthesised ...???
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: vipergts on 04 December 2016, 21:47
Turn the synth off and you can hear it from the exhaust. I've still only driven it from the garage to home 5 miles on Friday.
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: clubsport on 04 December 2016, 22:06
GT4, I don't go on about it much, particularly as this is a Golf forum but I also own a full homologation Porsche RS-CS, the last race car Porsche could make to be road legal, produced in less numbers than CS-S are coming to the UK.
I sort of have the Porsche thing covered? :)
It usually has quite an effect on anyone who has driven it!

The Golf is resolved, where as I found the GT4 frustrating with that long gearing, where the Golf was fine in 3rd or 4th gear I would have been stuck in 2nd in the Cayman. Lets not mention rev matching, I prefer to heal and toe, if that's ok with you Porsche? :)

Sure, the Golf is a Fwd hot hatch, but for those of us who have driven hot hatches over the years, the Current Golf is a fantastic evolution. The CS-S then takes it beyond a hot hatch road car.

If you are even considering an A45, a CS-S on the road may not be for you.

Consider this, the CS-S appears to offer rewards over and above a regular GTi the harder you drive it, maybe beyond limits available on the road? Question mark as I didn't try.
A 4WD Turbo rocket hatch is more likely to take over some of the feeling of engagement with driver aids the harder you drive it. To me that is the difference, by some margin.
You may get more speed, but less feedback and interaction the harder you push.

There is certain fakery to the noise in race, it is not unpleasant, but you can turn that down in individual, then you hear more of the exhaust due to the lack of rear seats.
It is not all about statistics and internet bravado. The point with the CS-S is that you have to be prepared to drive them. I only had a taste and want more!. I have driven various 4wd Turbo cars and the speedo is way higher than the feeling, not my thing.

I was thinking about it and although it mostly uses existing parts from the VW parts bin, they appear to have spent some time in the set up of the car, considering they had a production run of 400 cars I can't see this as much of a money maker for VW? It's also curious that 150/400 production run is coming to the UK, yet it is so low key in the dealer network.
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: Exonian on 04 December 2016, 22:59
Excellent and very thorough write up clubsport.
It's good to hear a Golf GTI owner's thoughts on the car and with your background you can offer some really good insights.

GTI owners (or at least certain circles of them) have long been bemoaning the lack of a lighter weight more focussed drivers car and thankfully VW have done a great job now they've finally got round to doing it.
Hats off to VW and maybe a ClubSport version will become a semi regular production model now that this one has been so well received.
Unlike the shelved or semi-shelved R400/420 which was just a show off model, the CSS at least has a purpose and is useable straight out of the box even if it was just a marketing exercise. I doubt VW made any money on the project.
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: GT4 on 04 December 2016, 23:06
Thanks Clubsport ... you obviously know your stuff - do you think the CS-S would be a good daily or am I just buying another GT4 so to speak ... which is why I was thinking AMG or maybe RS3 ???!

I like the limited run scenario but wonder if it's worth the hype and I should just go down a different route!
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: volkswizard on 05 December 2016, 08:40
GT4, I don't go on about it much, particularly as this is a Golf forum but I also own a full homologation Porsche RS-CS, the last race car Porsche could make to be road legal, produced in less numbers than CS-S are coming to the UK.
I sort of have the Porsche thing covered? :)
It usually has quite an effect on anyone who has driven it!

The Golf is resolved, where as I found the GT4 frustrating with that long gearing, where the Golf was fine in 3rd or 4th gear I would have been stuck in 2nd in the Cayman. Lets not mention rev matching, I prefer to heal and toe, if that's ok with you Porsche? :)

Sure, the Golf is a Fwd hot hatch, but for those of us who have driven hot hatches over the years, the Current Golf is a fantastic evolution. The CS-S then takes it beyond a hot hatch road car.

If you are even considering an A45, a CS-S on the road may not be for you.

Consider this, the CS-S appears to offer rewards over and above a regular GTi the harder you drive it, maybe beyond limits available on the road? Question mark as I didn't try.
A 4WD Turbo rocket hatch is more likely to take over some of the feeling of engagement with driver aids the harder you drive it. To me that is the difference, by some margin.
You may get more speed, but less feedback and interaction the harder you push.

There is certain fakery to the noise in race, it is not unpleasant, but you can turn that down in individual, then you hear more of the exhaust due to the lack of rear seats.
It is not all about statistics and internet bravado. The point with the CS-S is that you have to be prepared to drive them. I only had a taste and want more!. I have driven various 4wd Turbo cars and the speedo is way higher than the feeling, not my thing.

I was thinking about it and although it mostly uses existing parts from the VW parts bin, they appear to have spent some time in the set up of the car, considering they had a production run of 400 cars I can't see this as much of a money maker for VW? It's also curious that 150/400 production run is coming to the UK, yet it is so low key in the dealer network.

Maybe some of the dealer crew here can explain the low key nature of the car? My suspicions are that here in the UK dealer network it's all about bottom line, they are franchises on small margins and aren't seen as there to get excited about folly like the CSS which if they were lucky enough to get an allocation will barely dent the sales targets of that month.

Thanks for reminding me about the Cayman GT4 gearing, biggest disappointment of driving a 981 for me, so much so I sold mine straight away after years of lusting for one, all for chasing emissions targets.  It's so bad someone has developed a lowered final drive kit.  I don't get why they didn't deal with this on the GT4 considering its remit.
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: clubsport on 05 December 2016, 08:58
GT4, reading it back I may have sounded harsh on the Cayman GT4, it is a very good car, that could possibly have been better if Porsche let the engine play more in the upper rev range and a shorter final drive or set of gear ratios.
We both know why Porsche didn't do either of those things and that is not to step on the halo model range where they can make more profit. The 997.2 GT3 RS had shorter gear ratios than the GT3, so they can do this when it suits.

What I was trying to get across with the CS-S is that VW have taken a regular GTi and upped the anti for more serious use. There was no real part of the car that didn't feel up to par, I am talking about engine, ride, steering and overall feedback here.
The only area you could perhaps criticize is that they didn't go far enough in weight reduction, but then removal of sound deadening and headlining soon makes a car tiring on a long road journey, so you need to be a little unhinged to accept this.

I have a 230 bhp Gti PP as my road car, in daily use I have never been amazed at the performance of a Golf R and am fully aware that a well driven GTD will perform much the same as mine, except for economy where I concede.
As a road car I do honestly think the CS-S would grate after a while. Yesterday I drove my GTi over the same route and it was great fun, on UK roads you don't need that much power, just enough to get out of trouble when required, rather than constantly landing in trouble.

The regular GTi has parking sensors and adaptive cruise, I use and rate both highly in a daily driver. Depending on your build, the bolsters of the CS-S seats may become a pain, they will certainly wear more quickly than the regular seat.

Just looking at the camber on the CS-Sset up, you can see this car was developed with the intent to be more of a weapon than the regular GTi.

Do you need another weapon in your armoury alongside the GT4, that is down to you.
In your position, I would take delivery of the car, experience it and then make your judgement, I personally think it will be far better as an occasional car where every drive is an event.
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: GT4 on 05 December 2016, 13:28
Thanks Clubsport ... I was thinking CS-S for 3 reasons ...

1) It would be financially a good car to run and have some feel good factor
2) 80% of the time it could replace the GT4 for afternoon/evening blasts and keep mileage down on GT4
3) I do 6 miles a day on a Private estate as my daily commute at under 25 Mph - so could do that job as well

I make maybe 6 journeys a year to see friends/family of over 100 miles and could do that job as well, but also think an RS3 or AMG could do allot of those jobs better .... Your thoughts??

Bottom line is bang for your buck .... ???!!!!!

Andrew
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: Andrew@DTUK on 05 December 2016, 13:50
Thanks Clubsport ... I was thinking CS-S for 3 reasons ...

1) It would be financially a good car to run and have some feel good factor
2) 80% of the time it could replace the GT4 for afternoon/evening blasts and keep mileage down on GT4
3) I do 6 miles a day on a Private estate as my daily commute at under 25 Mph - so could do that job as well

I make maybe 6 journeys a year to see friends/family of over 100 miles and could do that job as well, but also think an RS3 or AMG could do allot of those jobs better .... Your thoughts??

Bottom line is bang for your buck .... ???!!!!!

Andrew

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Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: clubsport on 05 December 2016, 14:05
Thanks Clubsport ... I was thinking CS-S for 3 reasons ...

1) It would be financially a good car to run and have some feel good factor
2) 80% of the time it could replace the GT4 for afternoon/evening blasts and keep mileage down on GT4
3) I do 6 miles a day on a Private estate as my daily commute at under 25 Mph - so could do that job as well

I make maybe 6 journeys a year to see friends/family of over 100 miles and could do that job as well, but also think an RS3 or AMG could do allot of those jobs better .... Your thoughts??

Bottom line is bang for your buck .... ???!!!!!

Andrew

Honestly, get the car, drive it, tick it off of your list, take your premium to subsidize what you will inevitably lose on your RS3 or AMG. Not a bad way to lose a few quid either!
Bang for the buck, but what if you don't like the CS-S? Will you drive a Fwd Turbo, knowing you have a mid engined flat six in the garage?

I don't know that it is all about £££ keeping the miles low on a GT4.
There are approx 600 GT4 and a good chance of a 981.2 variant, who knows what engine that will have?
If you like the GT4 as much as you appear to, why not enjoy it? With these performance Porsche's the experience gets better the more time you spend behind the wheel, there is a definite learning curve, which keeps them engaging.

You asked for an opinion ex ante, your judgement of the driving experience and usability will determine how long you keep the car.
Either way it will be a good place to have money over the next few years, even if it depreciates, it should be modest.
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: Sean G on 05 December 2016, 14:08
Thanks Clubsport ... I was thinking CS-S for 3 reasons ...

1) It would be financially a good car to run and have some feel good factor
2) 80% of the time it could replace the GT4 for afternoon/evening blasts and keep mileage down on GT4
3) I do 6 miles a day on a Private estate as my daily commute at under 25 Mph - so could do that job as well

I make maybe 6 journeys a year to see friends/family of over 100 miles and could do that job as well, but also think an RS3 or AMG could do allot of those jobs better .... Your thoughts??

Bottom line is bang for your buck .... ???!!!!!

Andrew

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For 6 miles a day at under 25 mph basically any car will do the job you require keep you dry and save on shoe leather.
For the longer journeys if you wished you could not use the Porsche

The AMG and RS 3 options are both more expensive not as exclusive and will more than likely deprecate at
a greater rate.
Only you can answer what you really want from a car and only by driving the CS will you be able to judge is it the car for you.
It's obvious the CS is highly rated as a drivers car but is that what you need.
Possibly for your commute and the few longer journeys you will take the CS would be wasted - but then so would any performance car.

Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: LRWmotorsport on 05 December 2016, 15:20
Who's going to be first to post a lap time on a UK circuit in one of these rather than worrying about the residual value?
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: vipergts on 05 December 2016, 16:20
Who's going to be first to post a lap time on a UK circuit in one of these rather than worrying about the residual value?

Would have been me last Saturday if I could have had it PPF in time
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: Snoopy on 05 December 2016, 16:32

Honestly, get the car, drive it, tick it off of your list, take your premium to subsidize what you will inevitably lose on your RS3 or AMG. Not a bad way to lose a few quid either!
Bang for the buck, but what if you don't like the CS-S? Will you drive a Fwd Turbo, knowing you have a mid engined flat six in the garage?

I don't know that it is all about £££ keeping the miles low on a GT4.
There are approx 600 GT4 and a good chance of a 981.2 variant, who knows what engine that will have?
If you like the GT4 as much as you appear to, why not enjoy it? With these performance Porsche's the experience gets better the more time you spend behind the wheel, there is a definite learning curve, which keeps them engaging.

You asked for an opinion ex ante, your judgement of the driving experience and usability will determine how long you keep the car.
Either way it will be a good place to have money over the next few years, even if it depreciates, it should be modest.
Your reply reminded me so much of the video from Mr JWW I watched this morning about his 18000 miles so far in his  GT3. https://youtu.be/r-cQhJj1xlc
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: volkswizard on 05 December 2016, 17:15
Thanks Clubsport ... I was thinking CS-S for 3 reasons ...

1) It would be financially a good car to run and have some feel good factor
2) 80% of the time it could replace the GT4 for afternoon/evening blasts and keep mileage down on GT4
3) I do 6 miles a day on a Private estate as my daily commute at under 25 Mph - so could do that job as well

I make maybe 6 journeys a year to see friends/family of over 100 miles and could do that job as well, but also think an RS3 or AMG could do allot of those jobs better .... Your thoughts??

Bottom line is bang for your buck .... ???!!!!!

Andrew

What's your daily now?
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: vipergts on 05 December 2016, 18:43
Well........I've not been far in it today but I am thoroughly loving it

Roads around here are dreadful at best and I've been plopping around in "Comfort" mode of all things

It rides the undulations beautifully and cuts out the sythn engine noise so all I hear is tyre roar and the lovely exhaust note.....What a great car, the car I've been waiting for since I sold my R26R in 2010
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: volkswizard on 05 December 2016, 19:16
Well........I've not been far in it today but I am thoroughly loving it

Roads around here are dreadful at best and I've been plopping around in "Comfort" mode of all things

It rides the undulations beautifully and cuts out the sythn engine noise so all I hear is tyre roar and the lovely exhaust note.....What a great car, the car I've been waiting for since I sold my R26R in 2010

Well that's a relief!
WAS that an Aero8 in your garage?
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: vipergts on 05 December 2016, 19:25
Yes a series 1 with the Clarence eyes. My favourite, and my second aero after regretting selling the first
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: volkswizard on 05 December 2016, 19:41
Yes a series 1 with the Clarence eyes. My favourite, and my second aero after regretting selling the first

I think that's one of my favorite cars and on my "if I win the lottery" list next to a custom 'Ruf', the designer has started designing watches now. I saw dark red one at the 'ring on Russian number plates around 10 years ago, how cool must that be in Russia?!



Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: vipergts on 05 December 2016, 20:29
Yes a series 1 with the Clarence eyes. My favourite, and my second aero after regretting selling the first

I think that's one of my favorite cars and on my "if I win the lottery" list next to a custom 'Ruf', the designer has started designing watches now. I saw dark red one at the 'ring on Russian number plates around 10 years ago, how cool must that be in Russia?!

It's truly an amazing car to drive, lightweight, all alloy, magnesium centerlocks and rose-jointed suspenders, built for Lemans before they turned fat and started cost cutting

Matt Humphries designed it and yeah he does watches now. My Son landed a job at Morgan design team so he's heavily involved
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: GT4 on 06 December 2016, 10:05
Thanks Clubsport ... I was thinking CS-S for 3 reasons ...

1) It would be financially a good car to run and have some feel good factor
2) 80% of the time it could replace the GT4 for afternoon/evening blasts and keep mileage down on GT4
3) I do 6 miles a day on a Private estate as my daily commute at under 25 Mph - so could do that job as well

I make maybe 6 journeys a year to see friends/family of over 100 miles and could do that job as well, but also think an RS3 or AMG could do allot of those jobs better .... Your thoughts??

Bottom line is bang for your buck .... ???!!!!!

Andrew

Honestly, get the car, drive it, tick it off of your list, take your premium to subsidize what you will inevitably lose on your RS3 or AMG. Not a bad way to lose a few quid either!
Bang for the buck, but what if you don't like the CS-S? Will you drive a Fwd Turbo, knowing you have a mid engined flat six in the garage?

I don't know that it is all about £££ keeping the miles low on a GT4.
There are approx 600 GT4 and a good chance of a 981.2 variant, who knows what engine that will have?
If you like the GT4 as much as you appear to, why not enjoy it? With these performance Porsche's the experience gets better the more time you spend behind the wheel, there is a definite learning curve, which keeps them engaging.

You asked for an opinion ex ante, your judgement of the driving experience and usability will determine how long you keep the car.
Either way it will be a good place to have money over the next few years, even if it depreciates, it should be modest.

Clubsport - you make a very good point, indeed I should drive the car more but sadly have OCD and spend more time washing than driving, hence why I thought the CS-S would be a good bet, also if I ever need some money then it gives me 2) easy sell options ...

Regarding GT4 there are 500 ... more than I would like but I guess Porsche got hacked off with all the flippers making £30k so built some more ...

I think the gen1 GT4 will be the first and only N/A GT4 and will be the first to be turbo charged as a GT model with the gen 2 therefore making the Gen1 a legendary Porsche, not that it isn't all ready 😍👍

I am on the list for Gen2 991 GT3 and think that will the last NA GT3 before its replacement ...?!

Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: Jackie Treehorn on 06 December 2016, 11:43
Well........I've not been far in it today but I am thoroughly loving it

Roads around here are dreadful at best and I've been plopping around in "Comfort" mode of all things

It rides the undulations beautifully and cuts out the sythn engine noise so all I hear is tyre roar and the lovely exhaust note.....What a great car, the car I've been waiting for since I sold my R26R in 2010

Glad you like it..

5G0601703A is a part number for the kit bag could be what you need.

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Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: volkswizard on 06 December 2016, 11:50
Well........I've not been far in it today but I am thoroughly loving it

Roads around here are dreadful at best and I've been plopping around in "Comfort" mode of all things

It rides the undulations beautifully and cuts out the sythn engine noise so all I hear is tyre roar and the lovely exhaust note.....What a great car, the car I've been waiting for since I sold my R26R in 2010

Glad you like it..

5G0601703A is a part number for the kit bag could be what you need.

 (http://0.allegroimg.pl/s400/12/50/78/89/03/5078890384)

Nice find.

Did you manage to check if the front hubs are different to CS? Viper's/Clubsport's neggy camber pics suggest so. Got a VIN if you need it
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: Jackie Treehorn on 06 December 2016, 14:04
Haven't got a chassis number for a CSS yet. I should be able to see everything that's different on ETOS i hope, so people can upgrade GTi or CS models for specific parts.  I did it for the CS to GTI PP and suprisingly only the springs were different, no change to mounts, ARB or dampers.

I didn't want to ask for someones chassis number as it would look a little odd, if you know what i mean, so happy to wait till one pops up via VRM lookup at work
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: vipergts on 06 December 2016, 16:10
Is that a tow eye kit bag that I should have received?
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: Jackie Treehorn on 06 December 2016, 16:42
Well I wouldn't say you should have received it, but its a VW Golf part straight from Etos system so its easily something they could give you to store and hold all the parts in the side pockets of the boot...

I will post another pic later
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: clubsport on 06 December 2016, 16:56
Haven't got a chassis number for a CSS yet. I should be able to see everything that's different on ETOS i hope, so people can upgrade GTi or CS models for specific parts.  I did it for the CS to GTI PP and suprisingly only the springs were different, no change to mounts, ARB or dampers.

I didn't want to ask for someones chassis number as it would look a little odd, if you know what i mean, so happy to wait till one pops up via VRM lookup at work

Interesting, I wonder what spec the CS springs are in relation to VW racing or Eibach offerings?
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: volkswizard on 06 December 2016, 17:40
I didn't want to ask for someones chassis number as it would look a little odd, if you know what i mean, so happy to wait till one pops up via VRM lookup at work

PM sent, happy to explain why your are looking up a CSS VIN if you get asked.
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: Jackie Treehorn on 06 December 2016, 18:46
Thanks Volkswizard:wink:

pic of kit, also found a little a fire extinguisher somewhere on the Golf range... and er...a pest control item?!? not sure what that was about.

(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g271/emmber2429/Untitled_zpsf0kfik82.png)
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: vipergts on 06 December 2016, 18:54
Jackie, do you work for a VW Dealer?

If so how much would it cost to put a little pack together?
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: Jackie Treehorn on 06 December 2016, 19:08
I don't work for VW, but through work have access to the Etos system.

The #12 with #2,3,4,6,7.  If you click the image it gets a little bigger and clearer for all the part numbers.  5G0601703A doing a google search shows it as a complete kit but other show it as just a bag

Not sure on the price but I wouldn't be paying for it if I was you, I would be asking the dealer to supply.

better pics of the item here
http://www.ebay.de/itm/VW-Golf-7-Werkzeugtasche-Pannenset-Kompressor-Abschleppose-Reifendichtmittel-/371545184491?hash=item5681d198eb:g:bCEAAOSwL7VWrybA
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: NewCsS on 06 December 2016, 19:20
Good job you get free breakdown cover. If you get a flat you have to call them. Can't believe they won't give you means to remove the wheel. Some of you guys want VW to give you special stuff to celebrate the limited edition status . Not much chance of that now.

I'm asking my supplier dealer to supply one or I'll not register it till march 😂
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: vipergts on 06 December 2016, 19:46
I've written to Head of Product affairs at MK

Will see what happens.
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: MSR on 06 December 2016, 22:39
Jackie, do you work for a VW Dealer?

If so how much would it cost to put a little pack together?

I can probably sort this, but won't be until friday, as I am away at a VW do until then!
Title: Re: Driving impressions of the Clubsport-S.
Post by: vipergts on 07 December 2016, 07:31
I see you're in Kent, you work for VW?