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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: vipergts on 20 November 2016, 14:04
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As most of us were expecting to be sitting in our cars anytime now.
No CS-S chat, its all been said I guess
All a bit frustrating, I keep buying cars through boredom atm, a drive full and I have no use for them
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Think how excited you'll be when it arrives and in the scheme of things, it won't be long now! Just don't forget us mere mortals and post plenty of pictures :smiley:
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On the other hand, what is there to say until owners actually get to drive a CS-S?
I am looking forward to real world owners views.
Having driven a Fwd Golf with the electronic Lsd and cars with 300 bhp or more, I am interested in how the car behaves.
Initially I would expect the increase in power through the front wheels to define the cars behaviour?
The motoring press in their reviews haven't seen it as a problem, I wonder what it is like in the real world on wintry UK roads?
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I keep buying cars through boredom atm, a drive full and I have no use for them
How dreadful for you, all that boredom and all that money to spend.
Life can be a real b!tch.
At least if you don't drive them they don't get too dirty.
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On the other hand, what is there to say until owners actually get to drive a CS-S?
I am looking forward to real world owners views.
In theory i agree yes, real world reviews are better, but seen much buyers remorse when it comes to a new car? It makes real world reviews as trust worthy as the manufacturer paid trips to sunny Portimeo circuit.
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As we are nearly in December and no sign of any even in the country yet I am starting to wonder if I should wait and have it registered in 2017.
No logical reason other than my OCD!! But seeing as I won't be using it until the spring at the earliest I might be able to blag a few weeks free storage at the main dealer! Unless they want/need it off the books for 2016 figures.
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On the other hand, what is there to say until owners actually get to drive a CS-S?
I am looking forward to real world owners views.
Having driven a Fwd Golf with the electronic Lsd and cars with 300 bhp or more, I am interested in how the car behaves.
Initially I would expect the increase in power through the front wheels to define the cars behaviour?
The motoring press in their reviews haven't seen it as a problem, I wonder what it is like in the real world on wintry UK roads?
If the standard Clubsport is anything to go by (and I assume it is to a very large extent), the only time that you feel you are in a FWD car is (naturally) if/when you mindlessly bury your right foot in 1st or 2nd gear but that is with the crappy Bridgestones as well, MPSC2 on the S will probably reduce this a bit. Everything else and most importantly handling and cornering is a peach.
The chassis setup is so good, the turn-in so immediate and when you really start to push hard around a corner, the moment you think you're at the limit and any extra throttle will result in under-steer (it would in most other FWD's) the car seems to access some hidden grip reserve and counter-intuitively attaches even tighter on to the selected track. You realise that in some inexplicable way it can happily accept yet more throttle and propel you out of the corner. In the aftermath, you are usually left wondering how much faster you could have possibly taken it. It's so neutral and composed that it definitely doesn't feel FWD at all.
The proof of how great the setup actually is, is that even with an upgraded 350+bhp and around 500Nm of torque it doesn't feel you're touching, let alone surpassing, the car's handling and grip limits. They remain unaffected, at the same extra-ordinarily high levels as when stock (although spinning your wheels in the lower gears becomes easier). Never thought it would be possible to exploit this amount of power from a stock VW (not a Porsche) without any upgrades (think suspension) other than maybe tyres but I truly don't feel I need to touch anything so far. In that sense it's safe to say that the 306bhp of the S must surely fell well under control.
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On the other hand, what is there to say until owners actually get to drive a CS-S?
I am looking forward to real world owners views.
Having driven a Fwd Golf with the electronic Lsd and cars with 300 bhp or more, I am interested in how the car behaves.
Initially I would expect the increase in power through the front wheels to define the cars behaviour?
The motoring press in their reviews haven't seen it as a problem, I wonder what it is like in the real world on wintry UK roads?
ECOTY proved real time chassis control and traction in the wet - one of the reasons the CS-S finished runner up... Quote: 911R & CS-S breath with the road ... :rolleyes:
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As we are nearly in December and no sign of any even in the country yet I am starting to wonder if I should wait and have it registered in 2017.
No logical reason other than my OCD!! But seeing as I won't be using it until the spring at the earliest I might be able to blag a few weeks free storage at the main dealer! Unless they want/need it off the books for 2016 figures.
Im with you on this, if the cars are due to land in the next 2/3 weeks then it makes sense to wait until january 17 to register them :) = that's what im planning on doing..
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As we are nearly in December and no sign of any even in the country yet I am starting to wonder if I should wait and have it registered in 2017.
No logical reason other than my OCD!! But seeing as I won't be using it until the spring at the earliest I might be able to blag a few weeks free storage at the main dealer! Unless they want/need it off the books for 2016 figures.
Im with you on this, if the cars are due to land in the next 2/3 weeks then it makes sense to wait until january 17 to register them :) = that's what im planning on doing..
If you wait til April you'll save £60 odd a year on road tax...............
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As we are nearly in December and no sign of any even in the country yet I am starting to wonder if I should wait and have it registered in 2017.
No logical reason other than my OCD!! But seeing as I won't be using it until the spring at the earliest I might be able to blag a few weeks free storage at the main dealer! Unless they want/need it off the books for 2016 figures.
April would make it a nice birthday present too ;)
Im with you on this, if the cars are due to land in the next 2/3 weeks then it makes sense to wait until january 17 to register them :) = that's what im planning on doing..
If you wait til April you'll save £60 odd a year on road tax...............
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+1 for registration in January 😀
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As we are nearly in December and no sign of any even in the country yet I am starting to wonder if I should wait and have it registered in 2017.
No logical reason other than my OCD!! But seeing as I won't be using it until the spring at the earliest I might be able to blag a few weeks free storage at the main dealer! Unless they want/need it off the books for 2016 figures.
I was told by a client there is a new stealth tax coming in April on cars over around £35k I think ... extra tax will have to be paid and it's in the region of £100's of pounds ... don't hold me to this as it was just mentioned to me but did come from an Audi dealership
April would make it a nice birthday present too ;)
Im with you on this, if the cars are due to land in the next 2/3 weeks then it makes sense to wait until january 17 to register them :) = that's what im planning on doing..
If you wait til April you'll save £60 odd a year on road tax...............
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I appreciate what the magazines say but as I say I am interested to hear real world experiences..... I am not saying anyone is wrong.... Obviously I haven't driven one!
What I am saying is that my initial thought is that you would be driving around with care for the front end of the car with that much power, that is why I am interested in real world owners experience.
It may well be incredible and a new benchmark? :)
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I too was wondering about Jan registering
The only problem is I don't want it hanging around the dealership
What is their policy on taking it into my own storage without them having registered it I wonder?
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I too was wondering about Jan registering
The only problem is I don't want it hanging around the dealership
What is their policy on taking it into my own storage without them having registered it I wonder?
Interesting point .... I doubt it but you never know Viper ?! Why do you not trust the dealership may I ask ?
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I appreciate what the magazines say but as I say I am interested to hear real world experiences..... I am not saying anyone is wrong.... Obviously I haven't driven one!
What I am saying is that my initial thought is that you would be driving around with care for the front end of the car with that much power, that is why I am interested in real world owners experience.
It may well be incredible and a new benchmark? :)
My previous post was my real world experience indeed, I drive a CS for the last 3 months now. And since the S builds upon the standard CS it can only get even better than that :wink:
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Scanesare, I appreciate your view on a different car with less bhp. My own GTi PP is also a front driver with Lsd & less power.
I am not looking for an argument here.
Ask anyone who has driven performance cars and 300bhp through the front wheels will create a reaction and judgement in how you approach driving the car.
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As we are nearly in December and no sign of any even in the country yet I am starting to wonder if I should wait and have it registered in 2017.
No logical reason other than my OCD!! But seeing as I won't be using it until the spring at the earliest I might be able to blag a few weeks free storage at the main dealer! Unless they want/need it off the books for 2016 figures.
Im with you on this, if the cars are due to land in the next 2/3 weeks then it makes sense to wait until january 17 to register them :) = that's what im planning on doing..
If you wait til April you'll save £60 odd a year on road tax...............
:evil:
But pay more upfront on first registration tax due to the CO2 rating - that is shooting up for all but the most frugal of cars, then a flat £140 a year tax for everything that emits any CO2.
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I too was wondering about Jan registering
The only problem is I don't want it hanging around the dealership
What is their policy on taking it into my own storage without them having registered it I wonder?
No chance. You can't buy and pay for an unregistered car, and they'll be wanting paying.
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Scanesare, I appreciate your view on a different car with less bhp. My own GTi PP is also a front driver with Lsd & less power.
I am not looking for an argument here.
Ask anyone who has driven performance cars and 300bhp through the front wheels will create a reaction and judgement in how you approach driving the car.
The (rather obvious :huh:) point was that if everything is working a treat on the 290ps standard CS already, you can only expect great things from the CS-S as it has much more in common with the CS than with either the standard GTI or the R. Unless of-course you think that 16 extra ps would be making a world of difference on how the chassis handles them.
But even if that was your worry, I wrote how unaffected the CS behaviour was after adding the extra power, which is in fact significantly more than what a standard CS-S runs (especially the torque increase is silly) that alone should answer any questions on how the CS-S handles its power (I haven't touched the suspension at all).
Also, my previous cars were all FWD, some of them tuned to more than 250bhp (with several suspension mods as well) and I was tracking a couple of them. The CS handles in a much more natural and satisfying way than every other tuned car I had before while being the easiest to drive on daily basis also. Even with over 350bhp through the front wheels.
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Anyone heard Chinese whispers about VW vetting buyers as a result of the £10k markup adverts on CSS?
I am not sure what they can do about this now, it's not like they haven't had experience of this before from within 'the group' (Porsche).
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Impossible, they needed to do this before they signed them up
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Even with over 350bhp through the front wheels.
350bhp - have you had a tune?
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Even with over 350bhp through the front wheels.
350bhp - have you had a tune?
JB1
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Even with over 350bhp through the front wheels.
350bhp - have you had a tune?
JB1
Excellent. :cool: I was thinking of getting the same for my clubsport, what's it like?
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Even with over 350bhp through the front wheels.
350bhp - have you had a tune?
JB1
Excellent. :cool: I was thinking of getting the same, what's it like?
I'll PM you :wink:
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^^ Thanks. :cool:
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Anyone heard Chinese whispers about VW vetting buyers as a result of the £10k markup adverts on CSS?
I am not sure what they can do about this now, it's not like they haven't had experience of this before from within 'the group' (Porsche).
I think its quite possible, given the GT3, GT4 scenario ... I know a VW dealership that sold its allocation to one Trader - maybe they will only release to Private sales and not Traders??! Difficult to prove and/or police never the less !
In truth, i don't think VW realised that they have/had designed and built such a great & valuable car, that would create such media hype and attention, even Clarkson could not get his hands on one :shocked: If they had the whole scenario over again i am sure they would build more than 400 and make it closer to £40k price point and therefore maximise more Profit for themselves rather than the indies that will undoubtedly be moving them on such as Redline etc ...
I also believe this will give the green light for the R400 and one of the pre-requisite for R400 purchase will be CS-S purchase and retention, just like with Porsche GT cars ... You only flip once then thats you off any future list/s :rolleyes:
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I also believe this will give the green light for the R400 and one of the pre-requisite for R400 purchase will be CS-S purchase and retention, just like with Porsche GT cars ... You only flip once then thats you off any future list/s :rolleyes:
There is absolutely no way that will happen, come on! It's a VW not a Ferrari!
I do hope you're right about them making an R400 however as it would be a monster of a car. But you can only buy one if you've owned a CS-S - honestly! :grin:
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^ If that ever happened where you had to qualify to purchase an R400, it would make more sense to qualify as a current R owner who bought directly from a franchised dealership (not leased). There are less than 400 of us in the country who bought an R rather than leased, right? :grin: :grin: :grin:
Will never happen though. It'll be first come-first-served for each dealership's allocation with the lucky recipient getting little or no discount.
CSS owners HAVE to hope they get the residuals they're hoping for as they're already £5k down on a normal GTI or R owner for having had no discount on it.
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I also believe this will give the green light for the R400 and one of the pre-requisite for R400 purchase will be CS-S purchase and retention, just like with Porsche GT cars ... You only flip once then thats you off any future list/s :rolleyes:
There is absolutely no way that will happen, come on! It's a VW not a Ferrari!
I do hope you're right about them making an R400 however as it would be a monster of a car. But you can only buy one if you've owned a CS-S - honestly! :grin:
Match boy - I know it does sound crazy but speaking with my dealership they would naturally favour customers who bought to keep, not to flip. This is logical ... As if they invited other retailers to purchase any limited run car they would naturally be creating competition for themselves, which makes no sense!
If we had a limited 400 run R400 how would VW create a fair market place ... Yes, for sure first come first served, but like with Porsche GT cars that is not enough, each owner is vetted by the dealership as every GT car is over subscribed with LOi's it's the only way they can minimise the risk of flippers and/or trade purchases ... Sure, you can flip your GT3/4 but you must flip into the dealer network to maintain your strong relationship for future cars, this is logical and makes sense from a Porsche perspective!
So, if VW are all of a sudden going to make Limited Run cars that sell for 20-30% more than list price they will have to follow similar protocols in order to maintain parity ... As a brand and also to there loyal customers which by the looks of it VW has many ... :grin:
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On the other hand, the announced turn towards EV's and hybrids does not exactly leave much hope for exceptionally powerful (and expensive) petrol models. A lot of people already complain that R / Clubsport money is a lot for a VW hatch (I don't agree but I'm not the majority) and a supposed R400 wouldn't normally come cheaper than those, would it?
In any case the R400 discussion is too theoretical to even assume it would be of interest. If it is just an R with 400 bhp I couldn't be less interested. Now a revised, track-focused chassis based on the Clubsport, with proper AWD (open centre diff, real torque vectoring) and not just another Haldex implementation with the necessary styling could be tempting...
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I think R400 died a death because they were worried about stepping on Audi's toes as 4WD RS product is their domain.
Also the S project is a major departure for VW and the Clubsport brand is a new thing so it remains to be seen whether it happens again. Either way its a fairly safe bet that we probably won't see another special edition before GTI's 45th anniversary given past form. VW has made plenty of limited run cars before and none of them have sold for more than list - there are less Pirelli editions than Clubsport S I think - granted it wasn't any different to a "normal" edition 30 apart from aesthetics. Given the S is shipping 2-3 months later than planned I wouldn't hold up hopes there will be regular lines of Porsche GT style cars.
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I think the CS-S has caught VW out in many ways ... very average PR surrounding the car, only a few demo cars for the press across Europe, sell out before launch, air con or no air con, allocation of colours, delivery schedules etc etc etc ... I honestly don't think that VW had any idea about the success of the car but in a way it makes it feel more unique and special ... let's hope when the cars finally arrive they drive as good as the hype ... 😏
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Match boy - I know it does sound crazy but speaking with my dealership they would naturally favour customers who bought to keep, not to flip. This is logical ... As if they invited other retailers to purchase any limited run car they would naturally be creating competition for themselves, which makes no sense!
If we had a limited 400 run R400 how would VW create a fair market place ... Yes, for sure first come first served, but like with Porsche GT cars that is not enough, each owner is vetted by the dealership as every GT car is over subscribed with LOi's it's the only way they can minimise the risk of flippers and/or trade purchases ... Sure, you can flip your GT3/4 but you must flip into the dealer network to maintain your strong relationship for future cars, this is logical and makes sense from a Porsche perspective!
So, if VW are all of a sudden going to make Limited Run cars that sell for 20-30% more than list price they will have to follow similar protocols in order to maintain parity ... As a brand and also to there loyal customers which by the looks of it VW has many ... :grin:
A dealership would of course favour repeat business, especially when you've built up a relationship with that dealer over the years - but if those who have bought various VW's before don't want an R400 then they'll sell it to anyone who comes in off the street - they want to sell cars, pure and simple. There is absolutely no way it would be limited to people who have owned a CS-S or an R or any other performance Golf, just won't happen. Look at the CS-S - that's a limited run and anyone could buy one of those if they got in quick enough. Same would happen to the R400 (not that I think it will ever go into production, more's the shame).
This fable that high end dealers refuse to sell to the general public is also nonsense. Quick story: my brother with his first Ferrari went into the dealership and was told in no uncertain terms that (I think it was when the 458 Italia first came out) that it would only be sold to previous Ferrari owners and not to just anyone (he went in unshaven, in jeans and a t-shirt). He told them he'd pay the whole balance there and then. Funny enough he got one of the first that came into the country. Money talks, all dealers want to sell cars, period. This illusion that they only sell to certain people is a load of nonsense (bar maybe £1m + cars).
PS. Ferrari also told him that they don't do discounts. He got over £10k off in the end. It's all about selling cars!
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i do agree with you Match boy to a degree, but your point that dealers sell to anyone is not true - sure their will always be exceptions but when a dealer knows that an Individual is purely speculating and they just walk through the door expecting to get a car to flip, they will be very fortunate to get an allocation - hence Ferrari's and Porsches program. Which may not be perfect but tries to be biased to loyal customers. I would not have got a GT4 if i hadn't already bought a GTS and for sure wouldn't get a Gen2 991 GT3 without buying GTS and GT4 ... I live on a street with Lambo Aventador, 458 Speciale, 458 Italia, two McLarens, 991 Turbo, 997 Turbo, GT4, 430 and numerous Bentleys and Range Rovers - my direct neighbour wanted the new Ferrari and said would pay cash and was told he needs to buy 3 Approved Ferrari's before he gets dibs on new Models ... Maybe he is purely unlucky but speaking to other neighbours has found the same thing .... I think your brother was very lucky and the exception, not the rule ...?!!
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i do agree with you Match boy to a degree, but your point that dealers sell to anyone is not true - sure their will always be exceptions but when a dealer knows that an Individual is purely speculating and they just walk through the door expecting to get a car to flip, they will be very fortunate to get an allocation - hence Ferrari's and Porsches program. Which may not be perfect but tries to be biased to loyal customers. I would not have got a GT4 if i hadn't already bought a GTS and for sure wouldn't get a Gen2 991 GT3 without buying GTS and GT4 ... I live on a street with Lambo Aventador, 458 Speciale, 458 Italia, two McLarens, 991 Turbo, 997 Turbo, GT4, 430 and numerous Bentleys and Range Rovers - my direct neighbour wanted the new Ferrari and said would pay cash and was told he needs to buy 3 Approved Ferrari's before he gets dibs on new Models ... Maybe he is purely unlucky but speaking to other neighbours has found the same thing .... I think your brother was very lucky and the exception, not the rule ...?!!
I do agree with you that dealers will always look to sell to repeat customers, but it isn't out of loyalty - its because they know that person is loyal/enjoys that particular brand of car, and its an easier sale. If the R400 was to be made I know the chap at the VW dealership I've dealt with for years would be straight on the phone to try and sell me one - not because he's loyal to me, but because he knows I'd snap one up straight away, so it would be the easiest sale he'd make that day! I also agree that Ferrari etc try to add an air of prestige when a customer comes in off the street - however, if they've got the money they will sell the car - they want a sale, pure and simple.
I can't comment on your neighbours and whether my brother was lucky or not - I've never been in the situation of buying one of those types of cars and never will be :grin: I will say though, when I was looking at getting a Porsche I was offered a GT4 (same colour as yours which is why I was drooling over your pics!) - and I'd never owned a Porsche before, ever. Unfortunately, it was well out of my price bracket :grin: - the point being however that I'd never owned a Porsche and the dealer went out of his way to sell me it ie. he just wanted a sale.
PS. Impressive line up of awesome cars on your street!
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Not every dealer is the same and some are quicker off the mark than others. As soon as Clubsport S info was requested from VW we phoned everyone on our database who we thought would be interested and put their details through to VW. This enabled us to get allocation of 4 units in the customer's colour choice. I have heard of dealers which don't do this, or just take details of customers and then wait around until the cars are available for order in the hope that they end up with allocation. These were not standard allocation so without being so proactive we would not have had the cars. Most cars are allocated to dealers via build slots and therefore its up to the dealer what they do with their allocation. There is no reason for 2 dealers to hold the same policy.
Lets be honest though, for most dealers it makes sense to sell allocation prioritising existing customers.
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i do agree with you Match boy to a degree, but your point that dealers sell to anyone is not true - sure their will always be exceptions but when a dealer knows that an Individual is purely speculating and they just walk through the door expecting to get a car to flip, they will be very fortunate to get an allocation - hence Ferrari's and Porsches program. Which may not be perfect but tries to be biased to loyal customers. I would not have got a GT4 if i hadn't already bought a GTS and for sure wouldn't get a Gen2 991 GT3 without buying GTS and GT4 ... I live on a street with Lambo Aventador, 458 Speciale, 458 Italia, two McLarens, 991 Turbo, 997 Turbo, GT4, 430 and numerous Bentleys and Range Rovers - my direct neighbour wanted the new Ferrari and said would pay cash and was told he needs to buy 3 Approved Ferrari's before he gets dibs on new Models ... Maybe he is purely unlucky but speaking to other neighbours has found the same thing .... I think your brother was very lucky and the exception, not the rule ...?!!
I do agree with you that dealers will always look to sell to repeat customers, but it isn't out of loyalty - its because they know that person is loyal/enjoys that particular brand of car, and its an easier sale. If the R400 was to be made I know the chap at the VW dealership I've dealt with for years would be straight on the phone to try and sell me one - not because he's loyal to me, but because he knows I'd snap one up straight away, so it would be the easiest sale he'd make that day! I also agree that Ferrari etc try to add an air of prestige when a customer comes in off the street - however, if they've got the money they will sell the car - they want a sale, pure and simple.
I can't comment on your neighbours and whether my brother was lucky or not - I've never been in the situation of buying one of those types of cars and never will be :grin: I will say though, when I was looking at getting a Porsche I was offered a GT4 (same colour as yours which is why I was drooling over your pics!) - and I'd never owned a Porsche before, ever. Unfortunately, it was well out of my price bracket :grin: - the point being however that I'd never owned a Porsche and the dealer went out of his way to sell me it ie. he just wanted a sale.
PS. Impressive line up of awesome cars on your street!
Yep Match Boy ... We should have our own car club or YouTube site ... Haha :grin: The Lambo is the best by far, its a Limited edition one so i gather, as I'm not a Lambo aficionado :roll eyes: Its Matt Black and Grey with Carbon Fibre everywhere, he also has the 458 Speciale which he just leaves out on the drive ... :cry: The McLaren makes the best noise, you can hear it start up in the garage and wait for it to come past the house, we live on a cul-de-sac so anything in has to come out so great for viewing the cars ... I am the Poor relation with the GT4 ... :smug:
I also forgot, one guy is building his own TR6 from scratch so that should awesome when finally built :whistle:
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Not every dealer is the same and some are quicker off the mark than others. As soon as Clubsport S info was requested from VW we phoned everyone on our database who we thought would be interested and put their details through to VW. This enabled us to get allocation of 4 units in the customer's colour choice. I have heard of dealers which don't do this, or just take details of customers and then wait around until the cars are available for order in the hope that they end up with allocation. These were not standard allocation so without being so proactive we would not have had the cars. Most cars are allocated to dealers via build slots and therefore its up to the dealer what they do with their allocation. There is no reason for 2 dealers to hold the same policy.
Lets be honest though, for most dealers it makes sense to sell allocation prioritising existing customers.
Yes, JJ - that makes sense ... when i went into my local VW dealership after reading the PH nurburgring record article, they had no idea about the car and had to create a Clubsport order just to take my deposit, before official launch - I was the first deposit and by the looks of it; another member on here has also done the same thing after me. They took my deposit then gave my details for verification to VW/HQ and created my build slot and allocation. You are obviously way more on the ball than those guys ... :wink:
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Yep Match Boy ... We should have our own car club or YouTube site ... Haha :grin: The Lambo is the best by far, its a Limited edition one so i gather, as I'm not a Lambo aficionado :roll eyes: Its Matt Black and Grey with Carbon Fibre everywhere, he also has the 458 Speciale which he just leaves out on the drive ... :cry: The McLaren makes the best noise, you can hear it start up in the garage and wait for it to come past the house, we live on a cul-de-sac so anything in has to come out so great for viewing the cars ... I am the Poor relation with the GT4 ... :smug:
I also forgot, one guy is building his own TR6 from scratch so that should awesome when finally built :whistle:
I don't think I'd ever leave the road, I'd just be driving up and down looking at all the cars all day :grin: I've never driven a Lambo, but from what I hear they are an absolute pig to drive; I'm not a Ferrari fan (other than that noise!) as the interior is just not all that IMO, and I've been told the McLaren (I forget which one) is just too clinical a drive - but again, that noise! So out of all of those I'd have the GT4, best of both worlds! In conclusion, you have the best motor of the lot! :smiley:
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Yep Match Boy ... We should have our own car club or YouTube site ... Haha :grin: The Lambo is the best by far, its a Limited edition one so i gather, as I'm not a Lambo aficionado :roll eyes: Its Matt Black and Grey with Carbon Fibre everywhere, he also has the 458 Speciale which he just leaves out on the drive ... :cry: The McLaren makes the best noise, you can hear it start up in the garage and wait for it to come past the house, we live on a cul-de-sac so anything in has to come out so great for viewing the cars ... I am the Poor relation with the GT4 ... :smug:
I also forgot, one guy is building his own TR6 from scratch so that should awesome when finally built :whistle:
I don't think I'd ever leave the road, I'd just be driving up and down looking at all the cars all day :grin: I've never driven a Lambo, but from what I hear they are an absolute pig to drive; I'm not a Ferrari fan (other than that noise!) as the interior is just not all that IMO, and I've been told the McLaren (I forget which one) is just too clinical a drive - but again, that noise! So out of all of those I'd have the GT4, best of both worlds! In conclusion, you have the best motor of the lot! :smiley:
Match boy - You are very kind ... 👍