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Title: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Marshall Mike on 19 November 2016, 18:11
Hi all, new to golfs and new to the forum!

I'm considering buying a 2014 GTI with the performance pack. I'm guessing it's an early 2014 as it doesn't have the red badges? It has a rear view camera, 8" sat nav screen, keyless entry, dynaudio, winter pack and leather upholstery. The colour is carbon grey. The dealer is asking £21,000, is that a good price? Just under 15,000 miles on the clock. Also, are there any problems with the 2014's I should be aware of? Are the newer ones (2015/2016's) better in any way?

Thanks in advance 😊
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: p3asa on 19 November 2016, 21:46
Was that DSG or manual, 3 or 5 door?

It might surprise you but you can get a brand new basic 3door manual, which will have sat nav (smaller screen) and winter pack as standard for £22,080. You would then probably get a better deal on finance form the dealer as its brand new.
This obviously gives you 3 years warranty

I wouldn't hang about though as I don't know how long the order books will stay open as the facelift will be going into production early next year.

Have a look here http://drivethedeal.com
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Restlessnative on 19 November 2016, 22:26
Was that DSG or manual, 3 or 5 door?

It might surprise you but you can get a brand new basic 3door manual, which will have sat nav (smaller screen) and winter pack as standard for £22,080. You would then probably get a better deal on finance form the dealer as its brand new.
This obviously gives you 3 years warranty

I wouldn't hang about though as I don't know how long the order books will stay open as the facelift will be going into production early next year.

Have a look here http://drivethedeal.com

I used DTD to buy my M135i.Just before BMW dropped them for Coast2Coast.I had no problems with them at all,very straight-forward.
Also consider CARWOW.They are pretty cheap.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Marshall Mike on 19 November 2016, 22:48
Was that DSG or manual, 3 or 5 door?

It might surprise you but you can get a brand new basic 3door manual, which will have sat nav (smaller screen) and winter pack as standard for £22,080. You would then probably get a better deal on finance form the dealer as its brand new.
This obviously gives you 3 years warranty

I wouldn't hang about though as I don't know how long the order books will stay open as the facelift will be going into production early next year.

Have a look here http://drivethedeal.com

It's a manual 5 door. I also think it's sold as it's now disappeared off of the VW used car site.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Exonian on 19 November 2016, 22:48
Was that DSG or manual, 3 or 5 door?

It might surprise you but you can get a brand new basic 3door manual, which will have sat nav (smaller screen) and winter pack as standard for £22,080. You would then probably get a better deal on finance form the dealer as its brand new.
This obviously gives you 3 years warranty

I wouldn't hang about though as I don't know how long the order books will stay open as the facelift will be going into production early next year.

Have a look here http://drivethedeal.com

Welcome Marshall Mike

Very good advice from p3asa right there ^^

At that price you've almost covered your first years depreciation as the car shouldn't drop hugely in value with the facelift due to the similarity of the models and the likely speed you'll be able to (or rather not be able to) get your hands on a facelifted car.

The standard spec has just about everything you'll need and the car drives brilliantly out of the box.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Marshall Mike on 19 November 2016, 23:06
Thanks for the welcome :)

I'm getting the impression buying new is favoured over buying used. I hadn't ever considered this option before.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Exonian on 19 November 2016, 23:16
Thanks for the welcome :)

I'm getting the impression buying new is favoured over buying used. I hadn't ever considered this option before.

Unlike years ago you can get huge discounts on new VW's so with finance kick backs and free servicing it makes it a lot more affordable/easy to budget for to buy new.
If you buy a second hand car at a dealer it'll suffer a fairly similar £ for £ depreciation to a heavily discounted new car (with finance better on the new cars if that's what you require).
Buying new through a broker is great for saving big bucks if you don't have a part ex.
It's not an exact science but there are some brilliant deals on new cars while stocks last.
If you don't need dealer finance then there will usually be some cracking deals on pre-reg'd or ex demo cars too (higher APR and less deposit contribution on used thru VW finance).
Plenty of buying experience on here so ask away on any questions.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Restlessnative on 19 November 2016, 23:16
Thanks for the welcome :)

I'm getting the impression buying new is favoured over buying used. I hadn't ever considered this option before.

VW are about to get rid of a lot of good people.They have a huge build capacity and need to keep the wheels turning.Hence the good deals.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: monkeyhanger on 20 November 2016, 08:57
Thanks for the welcome :)

I'm getting the impression buying new is favoured over buying used. I hadn't ever considered this option before.

Mike: If I had a budget around £22k, i'd rather have the basic new car with 3 years warranty than the 2 year old model with a few more toys. The MK7 GTI/GTD/R are very generously equipped as standard, there's nothing in the options list that are essential. I would personally try to stretch to the PP if finances allow.

You might find the repayments between broker price new and the car you've seen are negligible if you're reliant on finance as the APR in the used forecourt is typically around 10% as opposed to 5.4% on the new one, which will be worth somewhere in the region of £45 average per month saved in interest on a like-for-like basis.

If you've got no p/x or can get rid of your old car another way, i'd go through all the main broker sites (Orange wheels, Drivethedeal, UKnewcars) for the best price and get it ordered.

Right now there's a £2k deposit contribution that may be pulled or reduced when the books close on the old model in anticipation of the facelift. The facelift will almost certainly have a higher RRP if the equipment levels go up, and it might be a bit uglier than the outgoing model (the proposed facelift Seat Leon seems to be going that way).

If you tend to keep your cars for a long time, with the new car you can spec a comprehensive 5 year warranty (an additional 2 years cover over the standard 3 year warranty) for £550 more. For the cver it provides and the cost of potential fixes, it is a relative bargain if something does go wrong. My Dad's GTD is just out of warranty and he has a few small issues that he'll live with as he's not prepared to pay out for himself. He's thinking of changing cars.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Marshall Mike on 20 November 2016, 11:39
Thanks for the great advice guys.  :smiley:

I have a Honda Accord I need to trade in. It's an 09 EXGT and I'm hoping to get 6-7k for it. I normally hold onto cars for around five years.

As for the golfs spec, PP, leather interior, dynaudio and sat nav are pretty much must haves. As I said I never considered new and the thought scares me lol. My original plan was to buy used, trading in the accord and making up the difference with a bank loan, nationwide offer 3.4%. That puts my budget somewhere around the 20k mark, and why new never crossed my mind!

FWIW, I have a reservation about going back to a hatchback after driving a saloon and the BMW 5 Series is the golfs competition, though I know you guys will tell me to go with the golf  :smiley:


Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: kalimon on 20 November 2016, 11:56
Thanks for the great advice guys.  :smiley:

I have a Honda Accord I need to trade in. It's an 09 EXGT and I'm hoping to get 6-7k for it. I normally hold onto cars for around five years.

As for the golfs spec, PP, leather interior, dynaudio and sat nav are pretty much must haves. As I said I never considered new and the thought scares me lol. My original plan was to buy used, trading in the accord and making up the difference with a bank loan, nationwide offer 3.4%. That puts my budget somewhere around the 20k mark, and why new never crossed my mind!

FWIW, I have a reservation about going back to a hatchback after driving a saloon and the BMW 5 Series is the golfs competition, though I know you guys will tell me to go with the golf  :smiley:
Leather would be the last thing I'd spend money on. The standard GTI seats are really nice.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Marshall Mike on 20 November 2016, 12:04
Thanks for the great advice guys.  :smiley:

I have a Honda Accord I need to trade in. It's an 09 EXGT and I'm hoping to get 6-7k for it. I normally hold onto cars for around five years.

As for the golfs spec, PP, leather interior, dynaudio and sat nav are pretty much must haves. As I said I never considered new and the thought scares me lol. My original plan was to buy used, trading in the accord and making up the difference with a bank loan, nationwide offer 3.4%. That puts my budget somewhere around the 20k mark, and why new never crossed my mind!

FWIW, I have a reservation about going back to a hatchback after driving a saloon and the BMW 5 Series is the golfs competition, though I know you guys will tell me to go with the golf  :smiley:
Leather would be the last thing I'd spend money on. The standard GTI seats are really nice.

Personal preference I suppose, I don't like them at all  :sad:
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: monkeyhanger on 20 November 2016, 14:57
But the VW leather does have a tendency to stretch and sag - especially the seat bolsters on the base. I was considering leather once, until the salesman told me they'll add £300 to your p/x value and cost you about £45 a month on a PCP deal - that's a lot of money to lose!

If you are setting up a cheap bank loan and want a new car, i'd still urge you to take out the VW finance so you get the deposit contribution, and then settle immediately with the cheap loan money. You only owe the balance after the deposit, they can't grab it back. Settle within 15 days under the finance cooling off period regs and you'll pay nominal interest of about a fiver a day for every day within those 15 before you notify VW finance you want to settle.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Marshall Mike on 20 November 2016, 15:56
I visited my local dealer this afternoon to feel them out. They advised me to take the accord to we buy any car and said PCP on used was about 9%, so that rules that out. It has to be new or bank loan for used. I'm really not sure about new or how it would work out, sorry monkeyhanger im not following  :sad:

On the plus side, seeing the cloth seats in the flesh I thought they looked much better than in the pictures! They had a demo car on the forecourt that I had a wee look at  :smiley: Needless to say, I've dropped leather as a must have.

They also said they can't get cars from the used VW web site so I would have to deal with that garage myself/buy online.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Watts on 20 November 2016, 17:09
Hi Marshal Mike :smiley: I will definitely be steering you to a GTI :whistle: Seriously though, I'm sure a BMW would be great but my GTI feels special and one of the factors in that is the cloth interior, love it! VW leather interiors all seem to have the whiff of fakery about them and to me, not worth the money so a good decision of yours to drop that option. Do buy new if you can and sell your Honda privately, you are saving thousands in depreciation that way and your budget is so close that secondhand is a false economy. I highly recommend the PP, not sure that any performance gains are noticeable or that the lsd will be of much use in normal driving but it is worth every penny for the better brakes alone. Plus the GTI motifs on the red calipers, they look fantastic!

I hope you get what you want for a good price, I tried Drive the Deal and they were very helpful or it might be worth asking a couple of the dealers that post on this site, they seem very helpful too. Most important though, don't forget to keep us updated with progress, ask plenty of questions as there are lots of friendly experienced people on here and top of the list, plenty of pictures of your new pride and joy always go down well!
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: monkeyhanger on 20 November 2016, 21:16
I visited my local dealer this afternoon to feel them out. They advised me to take the accord to we buy any car and said PCP on used was about 9%, so that rules that out. It has to be new or bank loan for used. I'm really not sure about new or how it would work out, sorry monkeyhanger im not following  :sad:

Do you mean that you don't get what i'm saying about the deposit contribution and cashing in the VW finance?

Say for example drive the deal are offering £5500 off a new GTI that has a list price of £28500, bringing it down to £23500. That whole £5500 discount is dependent upon you taking out VW finance to get the VW finance funded deposit contribution of £2000. Without taking VW finance, drivethedeal offer £3500 off only and that car will cost you £25500.

You get your cheap loan set up with your bank.

You take out VW finance for the car, pick up the car and you then have 15 days cooling off period to cancel the finance (not the car, you've still got to pay for it somehow).

So what do VW finance want in settlement? £23500!  :smiley:
Even though you cancel the finance and settle with your private bank loan, VW don't get to grab that £2000 deposit contribution back. What does happen though, VW charge you daily interest on the amount until you request a settlement figure, it amounts to about £5 a day on that £23500 you owe them.

I did it last year with the wife's Audi A1. It had a £500 deposit contribution. I took out Audi finance to get the £500 and then rang the next working day to cancel the finance agreement and pay the balance.

It's easy and you won't get the deposit contribution unless you take out VW finance.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Marshall Mike on 20 November 2016, 21:47
I visited my local dealer this afternoon to feel them out. They advised me to take the accord to we buy any car and said PCP on used was about 9%, so that rules that out. It has to be new or bank loan for used. I'm really not sure about new or how it would work out, sorry monkeyhanger im not following  :sad:

Do you mean that you don't get what i'm saying about the deposit contribution and cashing in the VW finance?

Say for example drive the deal are offering £5500 off a new GTI that has a list price of £28500, bringing it down to £23500. That whole £5500 discount is dependent upon you taking out VW finance to get the VW finance funded deposit contribution of £2000. Without taking VW finance, drivethedeal offer £3500 off only and that car will cost you £25500.

You get your cheap loan set up with your bank.

You take out VW finance for the car, pick up the car and you then have 15 days cooling off period to cancel the finance (not the car, you've still got to pay for it somehow).

So what do VW finance want in settlement? £23500!  :smiley:
Even though you cancel the finance and settle with your private bank loan, VW don't get to grab that £2000 deposit contribution back. What does happen though, VW charge you daily interest on the amount until you request a settlement figure, it amounts to about £5 a day on that £23500 you owe them.

I did it last year with the wife's Audi A1. It had a £500 deposit contribution. I took out Audi finance to get the £500 and then rang the next working day to cancel the finance agreement and pay the balance.

It's easy and you won't get the deposit contribution unless you take out VW finance.

Excellent mate, with you now thanks! I love loop holes like that  :smiley:

I got an online quote of £7,500 for the accord and reckon that means I'm looking for a car around the 24k mark. So bearing in mind I'm after a 5 door manual with PP and the tech pack with Dynaudio, do you think it's possible to get that new within my budget?

Also, is DCC worth it? Is there any way to tell if a car has it fitted from photos?
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: monkeyhanger on 20 November 2016, 22:02
DCC? The only way you'll know for sure if you must have it is to test drive with and without.

I personally wouldn't tick that box, the new MQB platform is far more composed and smooths the bumps right out. Even on 19" wheels and lower suspension my R is far comfier than the MK5 Golf that came before it.

If you have back problems (or a regular passenger does) or want a limousine type ride then you'll want it.

If you need to save money to stay in budget for the new car, i'd personally lose the Dynaudio. The standard audio equipment is very good, and for me, when you're using MP3 sources at 320kbps in what is a noisy environment (a moving performance car, albeit well insulated), you probably won't appreciate the better output of the Dynaudio unless you're setting that dial to 11 and whacking the Bass right up.

Go take some test drives and have a look in the showrooms to see in the flesh what that extra options money will do to enhance your driving experience.

For £24052 with DTD you'll get a standard spec GTI PP 5 door manual with Tornado Red paint (saving £5732, inclusive of £2k deposit contribution) - add another £280ish to go metallic, or save £275 if you go white. Add tech pack and Dynaudio with Metallic paint and you're then talking £26k after discount.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Poached on 22 November 2016, 17:29
Some sound advice here re the finance...not sure where that leaves the salesman and their commision :grin: although I doubt anyone will lose sleep over that.

Things certainly not always clear cut when you compare some cars that are 2 years old used vs new via pcp/broker.

A consequence of the way cars are now purchased/rented means that the main dealers have more control over the used car market for the models they sell as a result of them being returned after a lease/traded in for a new pcp.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Marshall Mike on 22 November 2016, 19:15
It's a lot of food for thought, I'm still trying to get my head around buying new. I was raised never to buy new cars and that seed seems to be planted quite deeply.

For example there is a PP 5 door manual in white, registered July 2016 for 25k. It has nav pro, park assist, rear view camera, dynaudio and Santiago alloys. That, to me, is a good buy?

(Oh and 4000 miles on the clock) :)
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: monkeyhanger on 22 November 2016, 20:37
It's a lot of food for thought, I'm still trying to get my head around buying new. I was raised never to buy new cars and that seed seems to be planted quite deeply.

For example there is a PP 5 door manual in white, registered July 2016 for 25k. It has nav pro, park assist, rear view camera, dynaudio and Santiago alloys. That, to me, is a good buy?

(Oh and 4000 miles on the clock) :)

That being a "good price" depends very much on how much you value the extras. They add very little to the p/x price when you get rid.

Santiago alloys? A matter of taste, I personally find them a bit fussy, especially when you see the black spokes.

Dynaudio? Will you notice the difference when you're prodding the loud pedal and playing MP3s?

Rear View camera? Quite easy to do without as you have the sensors, and if you really want it, it is a cheap option on a new car.

Park Assist? For me a novelty item you'll use twice to impress your mates, the Golf is very easy to park - do you park on a street where you have to parallel park into a gap only 3ft longer than your car? If so, another cheap option on a new car.

Nav Pro - do you use the nav much? Would you pay £1300 for it on a new car to get a bigger screen and a bit better functionality?

It's about £340 (broker price) for the Park Pack that includes the camera and park assist. You've already stated an interest in white -a free colour, so going white and the park pack is almost paid for with the broker cost I quoted for Tornado red added in.

How long are you looking to keep the car? With the one you proposed, you've lost 5 months warranty - not a lot lost, but access to cheap service packs and cheaper APR % if you're reliant on VW finance is gone.

PP - probably the most value for money extra.

Not buying new makes perfect sense when buying many cars such as Focus (not RS), Astra, Megane etc that can be had for sometimes as little as half RRP at 2 years old, but for the prices used VWs are sold for at franchised dealers then it's usually not so cut and dry.

Take a 5dr PP in White, with parking pack (Park assist and camera) and Dynaudio through drivethedeal and it comes in at £24629. So you buy new and you lose the Nav Pro and half the cost of the 19" Santiagos vs the used one you have seen.

Would you rather have the extras or that new car smell, 5 months more warranty and access to cheap servicing for 2-5 years, as well as the option of buying a comprehensive 2 year extension to the 3 year warranty if you plan on keeping the car a long time?

For me, that used one isn't cheap enough next to the new one for the extra toys it gives. You will have to wait for the new one to be built of course!

You were talking about £21k cars a few days ago and now are up to £25k in your considerations - easily done!
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: GTD22 on 22 November 2016, 21:04
It's a lot of food for thought, I'm still trying to get my head around buying new. I was raised never to buy new cars and that seed seems to be planted quite deeply.

For example there is a PP 5 door manual in white, registered July 2016 for 25k. It has nav pro, park assist, rear view camera, dynaudio and Santiago alloys. That, to me, is a good buy?

(Oh and 4000 miles on the clock) :)

That being a "good price" depends very much on how much you value the extras. They add very little to the p/x price when you get rid.

Santiago alloys? A matter of taste, I personally find them a bit fussy, especially when you see the black spokes.

Dynaudio? Will you notice the difference when you're prodding the loud pedal and playing MP3s?

Rear View camera? Quite easy to do without as you have the sensors, and if you really want it, it is a cheap option on a new car.

Park Assist? For me a novelty item you'll use twice to impress your mates, the Golf is very easy to park - do you park on a street where you have to parallel park into a gap only 3ft longer than your car? If so, another cheap option on a new car.

Nav Pro - do you use the nav much? Would you pay £1300 for it on a new car to get a bigger screen and a bit better functionality?

It's about £340 (broker price) for the Park Pack that includes the camera and park assist. You've already stated an interest in white -a free colour, so going white and the park pack is almost paid for with the broker cost I quoted for Tornado red added in.

How long are you looking to keep the car? With the one you proposed, you've lost 5 months warranty - not a lot lost, but access to cheap service packs and cheaper APR % if you're reliant on VW finance is gone.

PP - probably the most value for money extra.

Not buying new makes perfect sense when buying many cars such as Focus (not RS), Astra, Megane etc that can be had for sometimes as little as half RRP at 2 years old, but for the prices used VWs are sold for at franchised dealers then it's usually not so cut and dry.

Take a 5dr PP in White, with parking pack (Park assist and camera) and Dynaudio through drivethedeal and it comes in at £24629. So you buy new and you lose the Nav Pro and half the cost of the 19" Santiagos vs the used one you have seen.

Would you rather have the extras or that new car smell, 5 months more warranty and access to cheap servicing for 2-5 years, as well as the option of buying a comprehensive 2 year extension to the 3 year warranty if you plan on keeping the car a long time?

For me, that used one isn't cheap enough next to the new one for the extra toys it gives. You will have to wait for the new one to be built of course!

You were talking about £21k cars a few days ago and now are up to £25k in your considerations - easily done!

Dam, you're good. You got me thinking now about dyaudio and the parking pack. I only went for the auto park as I was getting the rear camera because I'm used to driving a Rocco and you kind of have to reverse by sound alone, aka keep going until you hear the bang.

I might just drop the parking pack and maybe keep the rear camera.

I'm the same as you about the wheels, I think the nicest VW wheels are the 19" laganos. I will go for 19" wheels but probably BBS
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: mcmaddy on 22 November 2016, 21:15
You may as well keep the parking pack if you're keeping the rear camera on its own and it works out really expensive if you drop nav pro but want to keep dynaudio. It's cheaper again to get both in the tech park.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: monkeyhanger on 22 November 2016, 21:33
You may as well keep the parking pack if you're keeping the rear camera on its own and it works out really expensive if you drop nav pro but want to keep dynaudio. It's cheaper again to get both in the tech park.

Good call on the tech pack Chris - why is DNS Pro + Dynaudio in the tech pack £30 cheaper than the Nav Pro on its own?

So for about £25200 (Broker price) Marshall Mike could have DNS Pro and Dynaudio (courtesy of the tech pack), and the parking pack on a brand new white 5dr PP, vs saving £200 on a 5 month old model and gaining Santiagos.

Makes even more sense to go new.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Marshall Mike on 22 November 2016, 23:09
It's a lot of food for thought, I'm still trying to get my head around buying new. I was raised never to buy new cars and that seed seems to be planted quite deeply.

For example there is a PP 5 door manual in white, registered July 2016 for 25k. It has nav pro, park assist, rear view camera, dynaudio and Santiago alloys. That, to me, is a good buy?

(Oh and 4000 miles on the clock) :)

That being a "good price" depends very much on how much you value the extras. They add very little to the p/x price when you get rid.

Santiago alloys? A matter of taste, I personally find them a bit fussy, especially when you see the black spokes.

Dynaudio? Will you notice the difference when you're prodding the loud pedal and playing MP3s?

Rear View camera? Quite easy to do without as you have the sensors, and if you really want it, it is a cheap option on a new car.

Park Assist? For me a novelty item you'll use twice to impress your mates, the Golf is very easy to park - do you park on a street where you have to parallel park into a gap only 3ft longer than your car? If so, another cheap option on a new car.

Nav Pro - do you use the nav much? Would you pay £1300 for it on a new car to get a bigger screen and a bit better functionality?

It's about £340 (broker price) for the Park Pack that includes the camera and park assist. You've already stated an interest in white -a free colour, so going white and the park pack is almost paid for with the broker cost I quoted for Tornado red added in.

How long are you looking to keep the car? With the one you proposed, you've lost 5 months warranty - not a lot lost, but access to cheap service packs and cheaper APR % if you're reliant on VW finance is gone.

PP - probably the most value for money extra.

Not buying new makes perfect sense when buying many cars such as Focus (not RS), Astra, Megane etc that can be had for sometimes as little as half RRP at 2 years old, but for the prices used VWs are sold for at franchised dealers then it's usually not so cut and dry.

Take a 5dr PP in White, with parking pack (Park assist and camera) and Dynaudio through drivethedeal and it comes in at £24629. So you buy new and you lose the Nav Pro and half the cost of the 19" Santiagos vs the used one you have seen.

Would you rather have the extras or that new car smell, 5 months more warranty and access to cheap servicing for 2-5 years, as well as the option of buying a comprehensive 2 year extension to the 3 year warranty if you plan on keeping the car a long time?

For me, that used one isn't cheap enough next to the new one for the extra toys it gives. You will have to wait for the new one to be built of course!

You were talking about £21k cars a few days ago and now are up to £25k in your considerations - easily done!

I would probably keep the car for five years, basically the length of the bank loan. Possibly longer if I'm still in love with it. Although the car I asked about in my first post was 21k, my budget is 24k, and I don't mind saving a bit more to boost that budget.

On the subject of the extras, I appreciate what you are saying about Dynaudio, however I play music back via my iPhone so it's ALAC and not MP3 files that I listen to. My main hobby is home cinema and hi-fi and sound quality is somewhat important to me. I had read that people who have Dynaudio in their cars were very pleased with it?

The park assist I agree I don't need, it sounds gimmicky although might save the alloys if the wife has to park it!  :grin: I have a rear view camera in my current car and it is handy, it's something I would like to continue to have if possible. Can you have it with the standard size screen?

Speaking of alloys, I like both the Austins and the Santiagos and don't really mind which set the car has, though I am drawn to the 19" Santiagos more recently.

Colour wise I like white and the carbon grey. My Accord is grey though so I fancy a change.

And the nav pro, no I don't use nav that much but most of the cars I've been looking at with Dynaudio already have it. I know it's a bigger screen but I'm not sure what the other features and benefits are. And are you saying the parking pack is part of the tech pack? The VW site doesn't make it very clear.

So I think I'm on the market for a white 5 door manual with PP, Dynaudio and rear view camera. Oh and tinted windows, looks awesome  :cool:

I tried CARWOW btw, but the site doesn't allow you to put in the extras. A white PP car was 24k, £5,500 cheaper than list price. Might try DTD next. Then try to explain to the wife.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: buddfridge on 23 November 2016, 00:23
I have read the the park assist can be a problem...you pass a gap one of the cars is parked with wheels on the pavement and park assist will park you in line with both so you can have park assist Taking you into a curb.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: mcmaddy on 23 November 2016, 06:27
That's not a problem with park assist that's the idiots fault who parked on the kerb. You can't just use the park assist without checking the conditions first yourself ie other cars on kerbs. It's an excellent system if used correctly which can get you out of spaces too.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: monkeyhanger on 23 November 2016, 07:32
Marshall Mike: The tech pack is the Nav Pro and Dynaudio combined. It is cheaper yhan the Nav Pro on it's own. If you buy the pack it's like buying the Nav Pro and getting the Dynaudio for free. The parking pack is the rear camera and park assist combined, for about 2/3 of the price of the 2 units individually. If you're keeping 5 years then the 5 year warranty might be a sound investment - VWs aren't sold on their reliability these days!

Still not sold on Park assist, had it on a courtesy Golf R-Line last year and it aborted the parking operation 2 out of 3 attempts (I suspect that I was too close to the car I was passing when it measured the gap). Gimmicky crap for the School mums who can't park.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: p3asa on 23 November 2016, 13:23

......So bearing in mind I'm after a 5 door manual with PP and the tech pack with Dynaudio, do you think it's possible to get that new within my budget?



Have a look and you'll see if it is possible!!

http://drivethedeal.com/buy-a-new-car/VOLKSWAGEN/GOLF%20HATCHBACK/index.html
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: scottyboy99 on 23 November 2016, 13:57
It's not for everyone, but have you considered leasing at all?

Got a cracking deal on a GTI recently, which is on its way..  :nerd:
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Marshall Mike on 25 November 2016, 09:05
I have been looking at the DTD deals quite a lot and it's changed my thinking. If I buy the car brand new and keep it for seven years I can up my budget into the 27k region. But it was alluded to that VW isn't known for reliability these days? Have there been any problems with the mk 7 I should be aware of? I'm concerned for when the cars warranty runs out, even if I take the five year one.

Concerning taking out the VW finance: When exactly does the finance start? When the car is delivered to you or when the order is placed? Just trying to work out the timeline so I would know when to cancel it.

If I buy new, should I hold off for the facelift? I know that's a tough question as there doesn't seem to be a price for the FL yet, but I would hate to order now and then miss out on the new PP car which might only have cost a little extra. Assuming VW were still offering the 2k deposit contribution of course, which may very well be pulled as the FL becomes available to order?

Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: clubsport on 25 November 2016, 09:35
Unfortunately MM, you have to take some risk in this decision.
Chances are the facelift deals available next year will not be as good as those on the outgoing mk7.
Positively the few problems of the early mk7 will have been sorted by the end of the current production run.
The facelift upgrades on tech, will there be teething problems, do you need more tech??

It also depends on your time frame, if you hold out for the announcement of the mk8, the mk7 facelift may be heavily marketed.
Currency effects and potential tariffs may or may not be a concern to car pricing in the future?
Personally I would try to get one of the last mk7 if the deals get even better to clear the remaining cars in the system.
These cars may be offered at a competitive lease to clear, that way you get a late mk7 for 2 years then reconsider a Facelift at expiration.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Marshall Mike on 25 November 2016, 10:01
Fortunately I don't have a time frame to stick to, so I'm happy to wait for the right deal/car. There's no hurry. After all, the time frame I'm looking at holding onto the car for means I won't rush any decision :)
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: clubsport on 25 November 2016, 10:06
I would suggest the better deals will be right at the end of the production run rather than the start of the new model.
That may be the deal side, but only you can work out what is the right car that you would be happy to hold on to.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: Jackie Treehorn on 25 November 2016, 10:53
You don't start to pay for the car until you get the car.

You can extend the warranty after the 5 years are up, each year if you want.  You can get bronze silver or gold cover (basically)
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: p3asa on 25 November 2016, 11:00
I can't imagine the GTI/D will have much longer to run in its current form but no word yet of last orders.

Dealer contribution is quite crafty. It means they can basically increase the price of the car by £2k any time they want and customers can't really complain of the price rise.

I've got a feeling that a lot of current standard extras won't be offered on the facelift as standard. Keyless, Nav & Winter pack or maybe just drop the £2k contribution as they know they will fill the order books for a few months anyway with those that must have straight away.
Title: Re: 2014 PP GTI, good price?
Post by: ronhar on 25 November 2016, 19:10
Hi all

I tried to order a new GTI today. I was told that no more orders were being taken and that the order pipeline would re-open sometime in January (facelift?)

I was offered a couple pre ordered cars that were being built, not sure if they were on order to be built for the dealer, but I could not alter the spec to what I was wanting.