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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: GT4 on 18 November 2016, 09:39
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Hi Guys/Girls
Just wondering what Premiums and Companies future CS-S owners are using - also if there is any difference in Premium between Clubsport and CS-S ...??
Andrew
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Just done mine:
38
Full NCB
£300 pa
£350 xs
No tracker needed, although I may fit one!
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I suspect you'll see a wide range of different premiums.
What one person will be quoted to insure their CS or CSS is unlikely to be representative of what others will be quoted as there are a multitude of different factors that insurers use to calculate a customer's premium.
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Mine was £320 for CS. Really surprised at that premium but very happy about it. First GTI I have had but am told the city braking thing cuts it down a bit.
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Just done mine:
38
Full NCB
£300 pa
£350 xs
No tracker needed, although I may fit one!
MSR - What company did you use for that quote ... I am 48 with Full NCB so would be happy with that price :shocked:
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Just done mine:
38
Full NCB
£300 pa
£350 xs
No tracker needed, although I may fit one!
MSR - What company did you use for that quote ... I am 48 with Full NCB so would be happy with that price :shocked:
I use Gary Moulson at Keith Michaels, have used him for years with 600bhp Subarus and High Power Evos.
0208 288 0275
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Just did a Go Compare search and was quoted £240 Fully Comp with £300 XS - wow .... :laugh:
Was thinking - is there a better car in the World for overall costs .... Zero Depreciation - 40 Mpg - £200 PA Tax and £250 to Insure :whistle:
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Just did a Go Compare search and was quoted £240 Fully Comp with £300 XS - wow .... :laugh:
Was thinking - is there a better car in the World for overall costs .... Zero Depreciation - 40 Mpg - £200 PA Tax and £250 to Insure :whistle:
It's very hard to beat. :cool:
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Incredible .... just put the wife on the policy and it dropped to £220 incl windscreen, loan car & breakdown cover - OMG I am actually flabbergasted after years of Porsche ownership and thousands of pounds and £500 RF licence ... the Clubsport S must be the soundest financial car decision anyone will make ... use it as a daily driver and see 35-40 mpg with £200 RF licence, £220 Insurance yet limited build and B road thrills and probable short and even long term appreciation .... only regret is not buying 2 🏆👉😍 #HaveYourCakeAndEatIt!
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Incredible .... just put the wife on the policy and it dropped to £220 incl windscreen, loan car & breakdown cover - OMG I am actually flabbergasted after years of Porsche ownership and thousands of pounds and £500 RF licence ... the Clubsport S must be the soundest financial car decision anyone will make ... use it as a daily driver and see 35-40 mpg with £200 RF licence, £220 Insurance yet limited build and B road thrills and probable short and even long term appreciation .... only regret is not buying 2 🏆👉😍 #HaveYourCakeAndEatIt!
Someones excited :grin:
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Incredible .... just put the wife on the policy and it dropped to £220 incl windscreen, loan car & breakdown cover - OMG I am actually flabbergasted after years of Porsche ownership and thousands of pounds and £500 RF licence ... the Clubsport S must be the soundest financial car decision anyone will make ... use it as a daily driver and see 35-40 mpg with £200 RF licence, £220 Insurance yet limited build and B road thrills and probable short and even long term appreciation .... only regret is not buying 2 🏆👉😍 #HaveYourCakeAndEatIt!
Someones excited :grin:
I know, embarrassingly so.
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Incredible .... just put the wife on the policy and it dropped to £220 incl windscreen, loan car & breakdown cover - OMG I am actually flabbergasted after years of Porsche ownership and thousands of pounds and £500 RF licence ... the Clubsport S must be the soundest financial car decision anyone will make ... use it as a daily driver and see 35-40 mpg with £200 RF licence, £220 Insurance yet limited build and B road thrills and probable short and even long term appreciation .... only regret is not buying 2 🏆👉😍 #HaveYourCakeAndEatIt!
Someones excited :grin:
I know, embarrassingly so.
Until a few months down the line when you look outside and see just a Golf sat there and not a Porsche...
... and when you tire of people saying "why doesn't your Golf Diesel have any back seats?"
"It's not a Diesel I'll have you know you scoundrel, it's a special very limited edition car that was produced to win the Nurburgring front wheel drive record and therefore has many unique features and... and wake up, wake up you jolly miscreant this is important, pay attention to me damn you! Ahh stuff it, I'm going to pocket the £50k from an eBAY sale and buy a Porsche"
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You seriously going to insure the JesusGolf on a standard cheapskate policy? :grin: :shocked:
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I think someone is building the hype to make flipping more beneficial :whistle:
only kidding
Hope the car lives up to your expectations, although I can't see a VW doing that compared to any porsche, but each to there own...
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Incredible .... just put the wife on the policy and it dropped to £220 incl windscreen, loan car & breakdown cover - OMG I am actually flabbergasted after years of Porsche ownership and thousands of pounds and £500 RF licence ... the Clubsport S must be the soundest financial car decision anyone will make ... use it as a daily driver and see 35-40 mpg with £200 RF licence, £220 Insurance yet limited build and B road thrills and probable short and even long term appreciation .... only regret is not buying 2 🏆👉😍 #HaveYourCakeAndEatIt!
A friend has a spare red or white one if you want another :)
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2 for sale on Autotrader.£45k a throw.What is that? a £11k markup?.I wouldn't give them the satisfaction. :angry:
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I think someone is building the hype to make flipping more beneficial :whistle:
only kidding
Hope the car lives up to your expectations, although I can't see a VW doing that compared to any porsche, but each to there own...
Jackie - In truth I don't want the car to live up to the GT4, as that's for Sunday's and special days ... But also don't want to spend the money on a car that just feels characterless and not special?! In truth I was thinking of flipping, given the £45k asking price but then I would only waste the money on a A45 AMG or M4/2 and see deprecation eating away at the value ... At £34k and rediculously cheap running costs, the CS-S is a no brainer as a "daily" ... And still leaves space to enjoy the GT4 and Gen2 GT3 next year - worse case scenario is that I get £40k for the golf in a years time, so either way it's a win win scenario. With the CS-S finishing runner up in ECOTY and limited 400 word wide build its got to be the best place anyone can put £34k of your money ...?!!! :evil:
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GT4 how did you manage to secure the beast?.Was it a case of just getting your name in early?.
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You seriously going to insure the JesusGolf on a standard cheapskate policy? :grin: :shocked:
LOL at 'Jesusgolf' :grin:
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You seriously going to insure the JesusGolf on a standard cheapskate policy? :grin: :shocked:
LOL at 'Jesusgolf' :grin:
That brought a :grin: to my face too.
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You seriously going to insure the JesusGolf on a standard cheapskate policy? :grin: :shocked:
LOL at 'Jesusgolf' :grin:
That brought a :grin: to my face too.
It is a cult.All hail to Wolfsburgs finest!.Still would not pay £45k to one of the mercenaries out there though.They can suck it!. :laugh:
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You seriously going to insure the JesusGolf on a standard cheapskate policy? :grin: :shocked:
LOL at 'Jesusgolf' :grin:
That brought a :grin: to my face too.
It is a cult.All hail to Wolfsburgs finest!.Still would not pay £45k to one of the mercenaries out there though.They can suck it!. :laugh:
I agree £45k is crazy and I don't think one has sold for anywhere near that mark - but it makes the List price in 2 years all the more a possibility ... For me, it's the cheap running cost plus the rarity that makes it a stand out car. Arguably the untilmate daily driver, if 2 seats are ok ... almost like the original M3 - not that fast but very rare, light and fun to own and drive with low running costs ✌️️
I am not a fan of the looks, which are way to mainstream but you ant gave it all ... 😂
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^ Crazy people pay crazy prices to get hold of things in short supply.
I collect the larger Star Wars Lego sets (including a 5200 piece 3ft x 2ft Millenium Falcon) and do a bit of buying and selling of rare/obsolete sets that people pay well over RRP on once they're gone.
With the opening of the biggest Lego store in the World at Leicester Square last week, there was a very limited "Lester" minifigure (only 275 made, in individually numbered packs) that could be won with qualifying purchases.
This minifigure would be worth £2.50 if it was not limited in supply and was routinely sold over the counter. They're changing hand for £1500-2000 each on ebay right now. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
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^ Crazy people pay crazy prices to get hold of things in short supply.
I collect the larger Star Wars Lego sets (including a 5200 piece 3ft x 2ft Millenium Falcon) and do a bit of buying and selling of rare/obsolete sets that people pay well over RRP on once they're gone.
With the opening of the biggest Lego store in the World at Leicester Square last week, there was a very limited "Lester" minifigure (only 275 made, in individually numbered packs) that could be won with qualifying purchases.
This minifigure would be worth £2.50 if it was not limited in supply and was routinely sold over the counter. They're changing hand for £1500-2000 each on ebay right now. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
I've never understood why people collect anything.
My brother spends a fortune buying vinyl records, then proceeds to tell me how much he could sell them for.
Trouble is, in the next breath he tells me how he would never part with them no matter how much he was offered.
Utterly pointless, although I'm sure someone on here will tell me different :rolleyes:
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I think its quite logical ... "Ownership" is at the heart of human nature - taking inanimate objects and somehow giving them "life" is part of building a richness of culture around us and in a way making our lives more enjoyable and rich in colour, as an extension of our personality. A child does it with their frst teddy bear, a teenager with his first leather jacket, an OAP with their prize rose garden! When spending time with that object, it adds to the experiences had with that object therefore making generic life more meaningful, unique and special .... Now you weren't expecting that answer were you 😘
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I think its quite logical ... "Ownership" is at the heart of human nature - taking inanimate objects and somehow giving them "life" is part of building a richness of culture around us and in a way making our lives more enjoyable and rich in colour, as an extension of our personality. A child does it with their frst teddy bear, a teenager with his first leather jacket, an OAP with their prize rose garden! When spending time with that object, it adds to the experiences had with that object therefore making generic life more meaningful, unique and special .... Now you weren't expecting that answer were you 😘
Coming from you, I can't say it was totally unexpected :smiley:
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^ Crazy people pay crazy prices to get hold of things in short supply.
I collect the larger Star Wars Lego sets (including a 5200 piece 3ft x 2ft Millenium Falcon) and do a bit of buying and selling of rare/obsolete sets that people pay well over RRP on once they're gone.
With the opening of the biggest Lego store in the World at Leicester Square last week, there was a very limited "Lester" minifigure (only 275 made, in individually numbered packs) that could be won with qualifying purchases.
This minifigure would be worth £2.50 if it was not limited in supply and was routinely sold over the counter. They're changing hand for £1500-2000 each on ebay right now. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
I've never understood why people collect anything.
My brother spends a fortune buying vinyl records, then proceeds to tell me how much he could sell them for.
Trouble is, in the next breath he tells me how he would never part with them no matter how much he was offered.
Utterly pointless, although I'm sure someone on here will tell me different :rolleyes:
I collect what I collect for me (the UCS Lego sets - the huge and detailed ones)and buy sets to keep untouched that I feel will increase in price significantly in the aftermarket, i've had rare and exclusive Lego freebies before that have not interested me and i've sold them for what I consider to be daft money - earlier this year there was a rare small set that was a miniscale scene of the "space slug" trying to bite at the Millenium Falcon (Asteroid belt pursuit after leaving Hoth in Empire strikes back).
It would've been a £15 set if sold normally, I sold it for £200. Things like that help pay for my hobby, if I buy and sell a few things for a decent profit, what I buy for myself is basically free and will appreciate in value if I decide to get shot later. Couldn't say that about any of my cars owned over the years, they're all money pits.
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^ Crazy people pay crazy prices to get hold of things in short supply.
I collect the larger Star Wars Lego sets (including a 5200 piece 3ft x 2ft Millenium Falcon) and do a bit of buying and selling of rare/obsolete sets that people pay well over RRP on once they're gone.
With the opening of the biggest Lego store in the World at Leicester Square last week, there was a very limited "Lester" minifigure (only 275 made, in individually numbered packs) that could be won with qualifying purchases.
This minifigure would be worth £2.50 if it was not limited in supply and was routinely sold over the counter. They're changing hand for £1500-2000 each on ebay right now. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
I've never understood why people collect anything.
My brother spends a fortune buying vinyl records, then proceeds to tell me how much he could sell them for.
Trouble is, in the next breath he tells me how he would never part with them no matter how much he was offered.
Utterly pointless, although I'm sure someone on here will tell me different :rolleyes:
I collect what I collect for me (the UCS Lego sets - the huge and detailed ones)and buy sets to keep untouched that I feel will increase in price significantly in the aftermarket, i've had rare and exclusive Lego freebies before that have not interested me and i've sold them for what I consider to be daft money - earlier this year there was a rare small set that was a miniscale scene of the "space slug" trying to bite at the Millenium Falcon (Asteroid belt pursuit after leaving Hoth in Empire strikes back).
It would've been a £15 set if sold normally, I sold it for £200. Things like that help pay for my hobby, if I buy and sell a few things for a decent profit, what I buy for myself is basically free and will appreciate in value if I decide to get shot later. Couldn't say that about any of my cars owned over the years, they're all money pits.
You're not wrong about cars being money pits.
When I read about people changing perfectly good cars less than a year after taking ownership, it makes me wonder what the world is coming to.
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^ Crazy people pay crazy prices to get hold of things in short supply.
I collect the larger Star Wars Lego sets (including a 5200 piece 3ft x 2ft Millenium Falcon) and do a bit of buying and selling of rare/obsolete sets that people pay well over RRP on once they're gone.
With the opening of the biggest Lego store in the World at Leicester Square last week, there was a very limited "Lester" minifigure (only 275 made, in individually numbered packs) that could be won with qualifying purchases.
This minifigure would be worth £2.50 if it was not limited in supply and was routinely sold over the counter. They're changing hand for £1500-2000 each on ebay right now. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
I've never understood why people collect anything.
My brother spends a fortune buying vinyl records, then proceeds to tell me how much he could sell them for.
Trouble is, in the next breath he tells me how he would never part with them no matter how much he was offered.
Utterly pointless, although I'm sure someone on here will tell me different :rolleyes:
I collect what I collect for me (the UCS Lego sets - the huge and detailed ones)and buy sets to keep untouched that I feel will increase in price significantly in the aftermarket, i've had rare and exclusive Lego freebies before that have not interested me and i've sold them for what I consider to be daft money - earlier this year there was a rare small set that was a miniscale scene of the "space slug" trying to bite at the Millenium Falcon (Asteroid belt pursuit after leaving Hoth in Empire strikes back).
It would've been a £15 set if sold normally, I sold it for £200. Things like that help pay for my hobby, if I buy and sell a few things for a decent profit, what I buy for myself is basically free and will appreciate in value if I decide to get shot later. Couldn't say that about any of my cars owned over the years, they're all money pits.
Monkey hanger - your spot on ... some people trade marbles on school breaks, some trade stocks to make a living, some trade in cars, allowing them to drive special cars for what in many cases and as such with the CS-S virtually for free. Whereas some people buy 7 series BMW's and lose round the world cruises in depreciation .... I choose to do both :smiley:
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^ Crazy people pay crazy prices to get hold of things in short supply.
I collect the larger Star Wars Lego sets (including a 5200 piece 3ft x 2ft Millenium Falcon) and do a bit of buying and selling of rare/obsolete sets that people pay well over RRP on once they're gone.
With the opening of the biggest Lego store in the World at Leicester Square last week, there was a very limited "Lester" minifigure (only 275 made, in individually numbered packs) that could be won with qualifying purchases.
This minifigure would be worth £2.50 if it was not limited in supply and was routinely sold over the counter. They're changing hand for £1500-2000 each on ebay right now. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
I've never understood why people collect anything.
My brother spends a fortune buying vinyl records, then proceeds to tell me how much he could sell them for.
Trouble is, in the next breath he tells me how he would never part with them no matter how much he was offered.
Utterly pointless, although I'm sure someone on here will tell me different :rolleyes:
I collect what I collect for me (the UCS Lego sets - the huge and detailed ones)and buy sets to keep untouched that I feel will increase in price significantly in the aftermarket, i've had rare and exclusive Lego freebies before that have not interested me and i've sold them for what I consider to be daft money - earlier this year there was a rare small set that was a miniscale scene of the "space slug" trying to bite at the Millenium Falcon (Asteroid belt pursuit after leaving Hoth in Empire strikes back).
It would've been a £15 set if sold normally, I sold it for £200. Things like that help pay for my hobby, if I buy and sell a few things for a decent profit, what I buy for myself is basically free and will appreciate in value if I decide to get shot later. Couldn't say that about any of my cars owned over the years, they're all money pits.
Monkey hanger - your spot on ... some people trade marbles on school breaks, some trade stocks to make a living, some trade in cars, allowing them to drive special cars for what in many cases and as such with the CS-S virtually for free. Whereas some people buy 7 series BMW's and lose round the world cruises in depreciation .... I choose to do both :smiley:
Virtually for free? Do me a favour :rolleyes:
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Yes, absolutely ... as previously mentioned! £200 RFL - 40 Mpg - £220 Insurance versus £34k retail price with value circa £40/5k that's better than free motoring that's actually "profitable" motoring ... However if you consider any car costs money to run, the Golf Gti clubsport or CS-S is very frugal - when you consider other ECOTY cars the CS-S is a sound investment and compared to some others a very useable investment
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I do have to wonder if the inflated values are sustainable. the first few dribble through and there will be 10 people out there who will pay well over the odds to have one of those and be amongst the first to have one, as more come through, there are likely fewer people willing to pay that top whack of £45k and the price softens.
Considering the diminished practicality of the CSS, there's probably plenty of people out there that like the idea in principle but ask them to put their money where their mouth is and you'll find far fewer willing to pay £45k when the rest of the UK allocation comes through.
VW will make as many cars as they can sell. If there were 10000 people in the UK willing to strongly commit to buying one with a large deposit down, VW would almost certainly get some more made unless there was a strong reason not to (like if the CSS has a far lower profit margin on them as the main purpose of them was the PR of beating the competition around the Nurburgring etc - VW supposedly makes a thumping loss on every Bugatti Veyron sold).
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Even if prices soften from £45k ... which will be dependant upon how many of the 150 want to flip or have been bought by the trade ?!! But given that only 4 cars are presently for sale, all at £45k it looks like cars will be in short supply ... even if prices fall, which I am sure they will, it's still a very strong % return on your investment.
Regarding VW building more CS-S cars that simply won't happen - it would leave any further limited car runs in contempt and devalue VW's honesty and integrity even further after the diesel emission scandal. Also, the mark 7 is up for a replacement so the sheer practicality of the manuafacture process would render the idea futile.
As a GT4 owner, I think the CS-S to follow a similar pattern and in a years time be valued around 10-20% over list price. However there has been well over 400 GT4's produced for the uk so the 150 CS-S cars will,be in even shorter supply and at a lower price point.
We live in an age and time where anything and everything is considered collectible - the RS market is very strong, even MIni cooper works cars are appreciating in value. House prices are relatively frozen, interest rates all time low. So people look to use there savings to purchase "investments" driving the classic car market and having a knock on effect on any limited run car - be it Focus RS, M2 & CS-S add to that Nurburgring record, runner up in ECOTY to 911R, finalist on Chris Harris Top Gear car of the year and you have inflated prices that will stay that way until the classsic car market softens or until interest rates rise or house prices start to increase ... Wine is also currently a good market for investment - I tried that but kept drinking the profits .... haha
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I can't see people paying £45k for these tbh. I might be wrong but there is reasonable supply of normal clubsport assuming people are willing to be flexible on spec etc so the question is how much more an S will be worth than one of those.
Yes it'll be worth more but not £10k more.
I also expect clubsport to depreciate as R is widely available as a used car, begging the question how much more a clubsport is worth than an R.
I agree that there definitely won't be more than 400 though, it is a limited project - of more interest is how many "normal" clubsport they eventually import.
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I can't see people paying £45k for these tbh. I might be wrong but there is reasonable supply of normal clubsport assuming people are willing to be flexible on spec etc so the question is how much more an S will be worth than one of those.
Yes it'll be worth more but not £10k more.
I also expect clubsport to depreciate as R is widely available as a used car, begging the question how much more a clubsport is worth than an R.
I agree that there definitely won't be more than 400 though, it is a limited project - of more interest is how many "normal" clubsport they eventually import.
JJ - excuse my ignorance but is the normal Clubsport a limited build (numbered car) if so how many are being built world wide and how many shipped to the uk 🇬🇧
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I can't see people paying £45k for these tbh. I might be wrong but there is reasonable supply of normal clubsport assuming people are willing to be flexible on spec etc so the question is how much more an S will be worth than one of those.
Yes it'll be worth more but not £10k more.
I also expect clubsport to depreciate as R is widely available as a used car, begging the question how much more a clubsport is worth than an R.
I agree that there definitely won't be more than 400 though, it is a limited project - of more interest is how many "normal" clubsport they eventually import.
JJ - excuse my ignorance but is the normal Clubsport a limited build (numbered car) if so how many are being built world wide and how many shipped to the uk 🇬🇧
Yes there are less than 1000 of them for the UK, don't know globally, they have numbered plates on the drivers doors.
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I can't see the market for buying a 2nd hand car at £40k which has no back seats and has probably been tracked and ragged being particularly big. The normal clubsport makes much more sense as a used purchase
And when it comes to sell in a years time :rolleyes: who's going to care if it was 2nd in ECOTY. 2nd is not 1st :wink:
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The car collection bubble will burst as it has done so in the past. Im quite happy to wait until it does.
Some people are paying insain silly money for some cars 993 turbos/s, GT3RS, GT4, 675LT, etc or classic 70-80-90s stuff like RS2000, mk1 GTIs, Ur Quattros, 205 GTI, Escort Cosworths etc.
You also have to remember just because it is advertised for a certain amount does not meen someone is actually paying that or if someone does you maybe waiting awhile until that person actually comes along.
looking at the equivalent renault sport megan special which has won similar praise from Monkey and similar awards to the css in the past I can see the CSS maybe depreciation very little over the next few years. The only problem will be if VW bring out a mk8 with similar handling & performance.
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I can't see the market for buying a 2nd hand car at £40k which has no back seats and has probably been tracked and ragged being particularly big. The normal clubsport makes much more sense as a used purchase
And when it comes to sell in a years time :rolleyes: who's going to care if it was 2nd in ECOTY. 2nd is not 1st :wink:
Craig the market value is based primarily around supply and demand multiplied by market forces and as such should guarantee strong future values until market forces change as the other two denominators are pretty much set in place ... regarding using "no back seats" as a reason not to buy, this is not true as all CS-S were allocated pretty much before launch. You say that values will drop as cars will be "ragged" ... in reality this will only increase the values of cars that are well maintained, the GT3 market is testament to this scenario, however there will also be a market for the "cheaper" ragged cars as they will be a lower entry point for the young kid with his heart and soul wanting a CS-S ... Either way you look, for the foreseeable future it's - Win Win :smiley:
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But given that only 4 cars are presently for sale, all at £45k it looks like cars will be in short supply ...
They aren't in short supply at 45k. 4 available and none sold is not short supply.
If all 4 sold, you may have a point.
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I can't see the market for buying a 2nd hand car at £40k which has no back seats and has probably been tracked and ragged being particularly big. The normal clubsport makes much more sense as a used purchase
And when it comes to sell in a years time :rolleyes: who's going to care if it was 2nd in ECOTY. 2nd is not 1st :wink:
Craig the market value is based primarily around supply and demand multiplied by market forces and as such should guarantee strong future values until market forces change as the other two denominators are pretty much set in place ... regarding using "no back seats" as a reason not to buy, this is not true as all CS-S were allocated pretty much before launch. You say that values will drop as cars will be "ragged" ... in reality this will only increase the values of cars that are well maintained, the GT3 market is testament to this scenario, however there will also be a market for the "cheaper" ragged cars as they will be a lower entry point for the young kid with his heart and soul wanting a CS-S ... Either way you look, for the foreseeable future it's - Win Win :smiley:
I suppose only time will tell if it's been a good investment or not. I'm not trying to rubbish the CSS but I just don't see the point of it. It was purely an exercise by VW to try and obtain the ring record and in my eyes they cheated (wouldn't be the first time :grin:) by removing the rear seats. I think the majority of folk would probably take an R over a CSS. As for a young kid having his heart set on a CSS, its no bloody good showing off to your mates when you can only get one of them inside
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No claims history on these which should help and limited numbers and lack of rears should deter the criminals wanting something that walks over plod in their i20s.
R insurance fell victim to scrotes steeling these, insurance never ceases to amaze as the M2 is less than my 3 door R was.
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No claims history on these which should help and limited numbers and lack of rears should deter the criminals wanting something that walks over plod in their i20s.
R insurance fell victim to scrotes steeling these, insurance never ceases to amaze as the M2 is less than my 3 door R was.
Wow ... M2 less than an R - that's a good deal - I was too presently surprised at the premium of the GT4 @£800 and CS-S at £240 :smiley:
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Wow ... M2 less than an R - that's a good deal - I was too presently surprised at the premium of the GT4 @£800 and CS-S at £240 :smiley:
I was pleasantly surprised but can see that going up when a few have fallen victim from owners running out of talent :smiley:
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Wow ... M2 less than an R - that's a good deal - I was too presently surprised at the premium of the GT4 @£800 and CS-S at £240 :smiley:
I was pleasantly surprised but can see that going up when a few have fallen victim from owners running out of talent :smiley:
Wigit - especially in the wet ... ECOTY commented on the M2 being quite tricky to balance in the wet - on my test drive it was dry and a great car, incredible acceleration but even then you had to be respectful to the rear end, I guess if you love drifting then it's the king for that :shocked:
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Wow ... M2 less than an R - that's a good deal - I was too presently surprised at the premium of the GT4 @£800 and CS-S at £240 :smiley:
That seems alot for a GT4 maybe add a female driver or a different version of your job title. Ive had quotes for GT4s a few times and its only being between 500-600.
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Wow ... M2 less than an R - that's a good deal - I was too presently surprised at the premium of the GT4 @£800 and CS-S at £240 :smiley:
That seems alot for a GT4 maybe add a female driver or a different version of your job title. Ive had quotes for GT4s a few times and its only being between 500-600.
Snoopy. I doubt it, as with GT4 need a guarteed future value which is also something to think about regarding the CS-S ...?!!