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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: GT4 on 25 September 2016, 11:39
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Hi Guys
Just wondering how many members are waiting for Clubsport S cars and what colours have been allocated to them? Also, has the dealer offered them Air con or Air con Delete and is there an option to upgrade the Nav ..?
I have a deposit and been allocated a Black car but had absolutely no feedback from the dealer on build, spec or proposed delivery ... Is this normal and what have other CS-S owners been told ...?
Many thanks
Andrew
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Black allocation with lookers Middlesbrough. I've asked a couple of times about aircon and have been told there's only one specification (which is different from what I've read). Build start date of 10/10/16. Overall little to no Info from lookers :( I had to ask about the 'S' as they didn't know there was two variants.
What colour is the 's' in the evo review? Doesn't look black to me?
Jonny
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I registered my interest and was asked which of the three colours I would like and whether or not I'd like Air Con (White, and yes)
I was allocated a slot and confirmed that my requests had been met and within a few days was supplied with an order number
As far as I, my dealer or they're contact there was no option to upgrade the Nav, at least not in the UK
Build scheduelled for W/C 17th October 👍👍
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As above, I ordered in my colour of choice (white) asked if I wanted AC but got the impression they were looking to see what the majority wanted and then make it std across the UK build.
My car is confirmed for build week 43. No options available.
Seems strange that you were allocated a car, I guess the dealer put in a moody order prior to you turning up.
Frustratingly still no confirmation on build for my Clubsport 40 which I only wanted to keep me busy until the S came.
Anyone know up to what stage can you change colour?
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I have a white one coming build week 43, had choice of colour when I ordered also choice of A/C or not.
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Mine is Black and Week 39, Red and white ones seem to be week 42-43.
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Black allocation with lookers Middlesbrough. I've asked a couple of times about aircon and have been told there's only one specification (which is different from what I've read). Build start date of 10/10/16. Overall little to no Info from lookers :( I had to ask about the 'S' as they didn't know there was two variants.
What colour is the 's' in the evo review? Doesn't look black to me?
Jonny
Hi Jonny ....
This is my point with the whole VW thing ... In my Experience they are clueless when it comes to niche models! I placed a deposit - the next day they contacted VW and i was given a slot - a week later i was told it was Black but nothing about air con or Nav or build slot or anything ... I spoke to the sales manager and he was a good man and very apologetic and said that they are a Volume dealership and not used to dealing with these kind of cars and he also felt that VW didn't really understand how to deal with such a limited build ..?!
From what i can logic, i placed my deposit on 20th July 2016 and by that time all the white and red cars had been allocated - i may be wrong and would appreciate anyone else's opinion ...
This is exactly why most enthusiasts end up with a more premium brand than VW ... :angry:
I am in good mind to get my deposit back but don't want to cut my nose off to spite my face ... as the CSS looks to be a great car and an instant Cult Gti Car ... :grin:
Andrew
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Black allocation with lookers Middlesbrough. I've asked a couple of times about aircon and have been told there's only one specification (which is different from what I've read). Build start date of 10/10/16. Overall little to no Info from lookers :( I had to ask about the 'S' as they didn't know there was two variants.
What colour is the 's' in the evo review? Doesn't look black to me?
Jonny
Hi Jonny ....
This is my point with the whole VW thing ... In my Experience they are clueless when it comes to niche models! I placed a deposit - the next day they contacted VW and i was given a slot - a week later i was told it was Black but nothing about air con or Nav or build slot or anything ... I spoke to the sales manager and he was a good man and very apologetic and said that they are a Volume dealership and not used to dealing with these kind of cars and he also felt that VW didn't really understand how to deal with such a limited build ..?!
From what i can logic, i placed my deposit on 20th July 2016 and by that time all the white and red cars had been allocated - i may be wrong and would appreciate anyone else's opinion ...
This is exactly why most enthusiasts end up with a more premium brand than VW ... :angry:
I am in good mind to get my deposit back but don't want to cut my nose off to spite my face ... as the CSS looks to be a great car and an instant Cult Gti Car ... :grin:
Andrew
I think you had to get in very early to get a colour choice. Some customers have been waiting for the limited run of performance golf since last year as vw asked for people who were interested in R400 so I think those that had registered interest in that got priority on colour choice. Also only 20 of the cars worldwide have the no air con option so its entirely possible they might have gone as well. The retailer wouldn't have had any build slot info in July as the cars were not allocated until early August by VW so thats when they were told what they had been given - in your case it sound like a black car with aircon. The dealers didn't know what price or spec they were until the press release went out to say VW had sold out and that it was £33995. There are no options for the UK other than the removal of aircon so they all get discover navigation.
I actually think VW UK did very well in allocating its clubsport S allocation. It seems they are going to enthusiasts rather than speculators as nobody knew how much it was going to be until after they had allocated them all. Quite different to some other brands and their limited edition models.
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Black allocation with lookers Middlesbrough. I've asked a couple of times about aircon and have been told there's only one specification (which is different from what I've read). Build start date of 10/10/16. Overall little to no Info from lookers :( I had to ask about the 'S' as they didn't know there was two variants.
What colour is the 's' in the evo review? Doesn't look black to me?
Jonny
Hi Jonny ....
This is my point with the whole VW thing ... In my Experience they are clueless when it comes to niche models! I placed a deposit - the next day they contacted VW and i was given a slot - a week later i was told it was Black but nothing about air con or Nav or build slot or anything ... I spoke to the sales manager and he was a good man and very apologetic and said that they are a Volume dealership and not used to dealing with these kind of cars and he also felt that VW didn't really understand how to deal with such a limited build ..?!
From what i can logic, i placed my deposit on 20th July 2016 and by that time all the white and red cars had been allocated - i may be wrong and would appreciate anyone else's opinion ...
This is exactly why most enthusiasts end up with a more premium brand than VW ... :angry:
I am in good mind to get my deposit back but don't want to cut my nose off to spite my face ... as the CSS looks to be a great car and an instant Cult Gti Car ... :grin:
Andrew
I think you had to get in very early to get a colour choice. Some customers have been waiting for the limited run of performance golf since last year as vw asked for people who were interested in R400 so I think those that had registered interest in that got priority on colour choice. Also only 20 of the cars worldwide have the no air con option so its entirely possible they might have gone as well. The retailer wouldn't have had any build slot info in July as the cars were not allocated until early August by VW so thats when they were told what they had been given - in your case it sound like a black car with aircon. The dealers didn't know what price or spec they were until the press release went out to say VW had sold out and that it was £33995. There are no options for the UK other than the removal of aircon so they all get discover navigation.
I actually think VW UK did very well in allocating its clubsport S allocation. It seems they are going to enthusiasts rather than speculators as nobody knew how much it was going to be until after they had allocated them all. Quite different to some other brands and their limited edition models.
Thanks for that Jonny ... That makes allot more sense and makes me feel allot happier ... As you said, upon reflection VW have handled it differently to other manufacturer's and waited until all slots were allocated before prices were announced and i think most people we're pleasantly surprised at the £34k price tag considering the options relative to an Edition 40 and the CSS rarity!
Many thanks - Andrew
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I had all the information and price before I placed my order?
Information went out to dealers on 4th July with pricing and spec, I ordered mine on 21st July, slots were still available when I placed my order.
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I had all the information and price before I placed my order?
Information went out to dealers on 4th July with pricing and spec, I ordered mine on 21st July, slots were still available when I placed my order.
MSR - I think different dealerships were more up to speed than others ... I was the first CS-S order from Lookers Teesside on 20th July ... and at that point they had no idea about availability or price as the Price was not announced until the Launch in August to my knowledge ... Andrew
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I had all the information and price before I placed my order?
Information went out to dealers on 4th July with pricing and spec, I ordered mine on 21st July, slots were still available when I placed my order.
MSR - I think different dealerships were more up to speed than others ... I was the first CS-S order from Lookers Teesside on 20th July ... and at that point they had no idea about availability or price as the Price was not announced until the Launch in August to my knowledge ... Andrew
Incorrect I have an email from VW on 4th July with pricing and spec!
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I had all the information and price before I placed my order?
Information went out to dealers on 4th July with pricing and spec, I ordered mine on 21st July, slots were still available when I placed my order.
MSR - I think different dealerships were more up to speed than others ... I was the first CS-S order from Lookers Teesside on 20th July ... and at that point they had no idea about availability or price as the Price was not announced until the Launch in August to my knowledge ... Andrew
Incorrect I have an email from VW on 4th July with pricing and spec!
Well that information went live on desktop on 1st August so you did well to obtain it before:
Golf GTI Clubsport S sold out
01 August 2016
All 150 units of the rarest production Golf GTI in history now allocated ahead of its official open for order date
Golf GTI Clubsport S sold out VW0926-16
VW0926-16
Get ready for the Golf GTI Clubsport S, the rarest production Golf GTI in history – with 150 coming to the UK from a global production run of just 400 units.
All 150 units allocated to the UK have sold out before the official open for order date of 2 August.
The Clubsport S builds on the appeal of the already highly-desirable Golf GTI Clubsport Edition 40, the most powerful production Golf GTI to date. It is a road-legal track car with a 310PS version of the 2.0 TSI engine, and has claimed the Nürburgring lap record for front-wheel-drive cars with a blistering time of 7 minutes 49.21 seconds.
Key dates
Start of production will be limited from week 36 (5 September) to week 49 2016
Market introduction/on sale as soon as the cars arrive in the UK at around week 40 (early October)
Product specification and pricing
No car configurator, brochure or price list will be available because of the strictly limited volume of the Clubsport S.
This limited production model is available exclusively as a three-door manual version and is only available in three colours: Tornado red, Pure white and Deep black. The only other option is the deletion of air-conditioning which, if requested, saves around 10kg.
The Golf GTI Clubsport S comes with the following specification highlights:
19-inch Pretoria alloys in grey with semi-slick tyres
A fine-tuned chassis with Dynamic Chassis Control and bespoke ‘Nurburgring’ setting
Discover Navigation with Car-Net Guide and Inform
Front heated bucket seats and no rear seats
Because of the minimalistic and weight-saving purpose of this car, some items from the GTI Clubsport Edition 40 are not available on the Clubsport S. These include spare wheel, front centre armrest, pre-crash basic, Driver alert system, mirror pack, parking sensors, Adaptive Cruise Control with front assist and City Emergency braking and Light and Sight pack.
The Clubsport S is priced at £33,995 OTR regardless of colour or air-conditioning choice.
Sales
We have received huge interest from a number of enthusiasts who have already placed orders with their local Retailer since the Clubsport S was first unveiled at Worthersee in May, and now all 150 have been allocated to Retailers. As announced in Desktop article VW0615-16 communication about allocations, these orders will be honoured.
Supply update
The production of these exclusive cars is only from build week 36 to 49 2016. We will not have any free stock, and will not be issuing demonstrators. These cars are for the Retail channel only and de-tagging requests will be refused.
These models do not come out of your Golf allocation.
Communications and advertising
Although no configurator or price list will be produced, we will feature the Golf GTI Clubsport S on our Golf model landing page to showcase this halo product.
The car has already been featured heavily on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram when the model was at the Goodwood Festival of Speed 2016 but we will featuring the car again to announce the open for order on our social media pages on 3 and 4 August.
Press
We are releasing this information to the press, so will expect to see it featured on various motoring websites.
Autocar has given the car a rare five-star rating, and there is strong praise for Clubsport S in other top UK motoring media including EVO, Car and Top Gear.
Training
No online or face-to-face training will be offered because this is a limited production model. The information you need should be contained within this article or on the Volkswagen.co.uk website. Please direct any other questions you have to your area sales manager or sales support manager
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Excellent ... Thanks JJ :cool:
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Has anyone got any idea if the black roof will be a different shade of black or just be exactly the same as the "Deep Black Pearl" ...?? and therefore be the same as the rest of the car ..??!
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It better be deep black, it'll be real odd if its flat black on a pearl car imho.
I think it'll only be flat black on the red and white ones.
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Hi all, First post as I'm awaiting delivery of my cs-s next month as well.
Currently about to leave a 6 month old R for it.
Received a copy of an email from VWUK from my dealer regarding specs of the car,only option being what colour i wanted (white, which i have secured) and that they were looking into the possibility of speccing all the UK cars without air con and awaiting correspondence back from the factory.
Mines is arriving without the air con, but looking at the previous posts seems most people have been offered either. So again yet another one to add to the lack of organisation into the launch of the car!
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Hi all, First post as I'm awaiting delivery of my cs-s next month as well.
Currently about to leave a 6 month old R for it.
Received a copy of an email from VWUK from my dealer regarding specs of the car,only option being what colour i wanted (white, which i have secured) and that they were looking into the possibility of speccing all the UK cars without air con and awaiting correspondence back from the factory.
Mines is arriving without the air con, but looking at the previous posts seems most people have been offered either. So again yet another one to add to the lack of organisation into the launch of the car!
Dealers were asked in early July what spec and colour their customers wanted ie aircon or not and red black or white. If you ordered after this and quite possibly before as they took details in may of interested customers you may not have got a choice. As it is there are only 20 cars worldwide without aircon so if that is desirable for you (I assume you are looking to race it) then you have a very rare car.
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So many Chinese whispers around these cars! :laugh:
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Its incredible how many stories differ from one another ... It's as though we are dealing with Ferrari :laugh: :kiss: :laugh:
I was in touch with another VW dealership which were allocated 6 cars and all of them were trade sales and looking to "Flip" - so the argument that all cars have gone to enthusiasts is not true in the slightest and pure wishful thinking ...
I think this whole thing will run and run .... :whistle:
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i was given the option of the 3 colours, and was asked if i wanted a/c or not..
My options were white, with a/c and the car is confirmed at BW42
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i was given the option of the 3 colours, and was asked if i wanted a/c or not..
My options were white, with a/c and the car is confirmed at BW42
Same. When did you place your order?
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i placed a deposit on the 5th of May with Vindis Cambridge,
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i placed a deposit on the 5th of May with Vindis Cambridge,
Ok thanks, mine was early June which explains why mines a week later
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So looks like Black was the last colour of choice .... :cry:
I don't really mind now ... Just happy to be invited to the CC-S Party :laugh:
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I am build week 41
Black with a/c (no choice on colour)
Expressed interest with the dealer on 8/6 just after my friend came back from the 'ring launch event and simply said 'WTF' when he described the day.
Emailed a couple of dealers off the beaten track thinking I'd get less competition but didn't work out like that, a sales manager in Wales said he wanted one so names would have to go in the hat.
Didn't fancy that so tried one in the South West who was really helpful when I enquired about a normal CS.
Didn't hear anything until early August when I was told I had an allocation.
He was more excited than I was as other dealers in the area didn't get one (no surprise, 150 cars, 175 dealers, some getting up to 6)
I didn't get a colour choice but I put this down to my dealer being very low in the pecking order and not part of one of the big groups like Inchcape for example.
Apparently (and I have heard this from more than one source), VW UK wanted the names of the buyers and decided who got what. I am not sure how they knew who was who or on what basis they decided who got what but I can't see how it would stop speculators, didn't stop it at Porsche did it?
I too am very concerned that the VW behemoth will not be able to give buyers of these cars the level of service that these cars justify - for example not washing them with a gritty sponge during the PDI process along with all the lease cars.
We've all paid full whack for these cars so VW should have the budget to make the process special but I honestly can't see that happening.
They could start with some literature about the car to get us excited while we wait, maybe a compilation of road tests.
There should be a special gift with the car at handover.
Maybe arrange a track day for owners with some pro-drivers (WRC drivers?!)
Many years ago quattro GmbH organised an RS drivers day at Hockenheim and a number of UK guys attended.
Incidentally the VW UK head of PR was at Porsche GB until recently so knows the score when it comes to dealing with niche cars, let's hope it filters down!
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Apparently (and I have heard this from more than one source), VW UK wanted the names of the buyers and decided who got what. I am not sure how they knew who was who or on what basis they decided who got what but I can't see how it would stop speculators, didn't stop it at Porsche did it?
More Chinese whispers, not a chance that happened, it was first come first served, there were still slots available on the 28th July, so they didn't sell out as quickly as people think!
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Apparently (and I have heard this from more than one source), VW UK wanted the names of the buyers and decided who got what. I am not sure how they knew who was who or on what basis they decided who got what but I can't see how it would stop speculators, didn't stop it at Porsche did it?
More Chinese whispers, not a chance that happened, it was first come first served, there were still slots available on the 28th July, so they didn't sell out as quickly as people think!
I contacted 3 dealers in June and 2 said not a chance. OK that doesn't mean other dealers wouldn't have allocation but how do you find out?
When you say 'slots available on 28th July' are you talking nationally or a specific retailer?
How do you know if it was first come first serviced if you ordered in May/June/July and didn't get notification you'd got a car until August?
This is an email sent 1st August from VW to my dealer confirming their allocation specifically for the customer's order that they had submitted previously;
Re Golf Clubsport S order
I can now confirm you have been allocated a Golf Clubsport S for the order you have taken for your customer. This will be in line with the colour you confirmed to me (Black). This vehicle order has just been placed with the factory and is awaiting a build week, but we anticipate this vehicle should be with you sometime in Q4.
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So many different stories ... I read the Ring Article on PH 20th July and walked into my local dealership that afternoon and gave them £500 and that was it - Clubsport S ordered - i asked had they had any other orders, they said "No" just interested parties but until Price/Spec were released no-one wanted to put any money down, so i was the first "real" CS-S order - I found out in the next few days that it was Black ... I contacted my Porsche group and got put in touch with Group VW dealership as ideally i wanted a Red car. I was told on the 1st of August 2016 there were only 7 allocation slots left in UK and all in Black - all these slots were gone by the 3rd ... So just stayed with my original Order although i was tempted to buy 2 ... :drool: :shocked: :whistle:
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So many different stories ... I read the Ring Article on PH 20th July and walked into my local dealership that afternoon and gave them £500 and that was it - Clubsport S ordered - i asked had they had any other orders, they said "No" just interested parties but until Price/Spec were released no-one wanted to put any money down, so i was the first "real" CS-S order - I found out in the next few days that it was Black ... I contacted my Porsche group and got put in touch with Group VW dealership as ideally i wanted a Red car. I was told on the 1st of August 2016 there were only 7 allocation slots left in UK and all in Black - all these slots were gone by the 3rd ... So just stayed with my original Order although i was tempted to buy 2 ... :drool: :shocked: :whistle:
Interesting, so black was definitely the last slots.
I've got an order number but still haven't paid a deposit, dealer obviously not too fussed if I don't take delivery!
How did you find out how many slots were available nationally? Could your dealer just select them or did they have a fixed allocation?
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So many different stories ... I read the Ring Article on PH 20th July and walked into my local dealership that afternoon and gave them £500 and that was it - Clubsport S ordered - i asked had they had any other orders, they said "No" just interested parties but until Price/Spec were released no-one wanted to put any money down, so i was the first "real" CS-S order - I found out in the next few days that it was Black ... I contacted my Porsche group and got put in touch with Group VW dealership as ideally i wanted a Red car. I was told on the 1st of August 2016 there were only 7 allocation slots left in UK and all in Black - all these slots were gone by the 3rd ... So just stayed with my original Order although i was tempted to buy 2 ... :drool: :shocked: :whistle:
I actually think black is the best colour for it, much better than red imo.
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So many different stories ... I read the Ring Article on PH 20th July and walked into my local dealership that afternoon and gave them £500 and that was it - Clubsport S ordered - i asked had they had any other orders, they said "No" just interested parties but until Price/Spec were released no-one wanted to put any money down, so i was the first "real" CS-S order - I found out in the next few days that it was Black ... I contacted my Porsche group and got put in touch with Group VW dealership as ideally i wanted a Red car. I was told on the 1st of August 2016 there were only 7 allocation slots left in UK and all in Black - all these slots were gone by the 3rd ... So just stayed with my original Order although i was tempted to buy 2 ... :drool: :shocked: :whistle:
Interesting, so black was definitely the last slots.
I've got an order number but still haven't paid a deposit, dealer obviously not too fussed if I don't take delivery!
How did you find out how many slots were available nationally? Could your dealer just select them or did they have a fixed allocation?
Hi Volkswizard ...
The dealer checked with VW on database and just 7 slots were left available on launch day as of 1st August ...
I still wish VW knew how to handle this Launch better, they are not making the most of this cars "specialness" ... Porsche GT dept and PR know exactly how to get the enthusiasts, press raising there expectation through Press leaks, video's, reviews etc so eventually when the car is made available the desire factor is huge and therefore residuals are strong ... but more importantly all the hard work done back at the factory is rewarded accordingly ...?!
Andrew
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So many different stories ... I read the Ring Article on PH 20th July and walked into my local dealership that afternoon and gave them £500 and that was it - Clubsport S ordered - i asked had they had any other orders, they said "No" just interested parties but until Price/Spec were released no-one wanted to put any money down, so i was the first "real" CS-S order - I found out in the next few days that it was Black ... I contacted my Porsche group and got put in touch with Group VW dealership as ideally i wanted a Red car. I was told on the 1st of August 2016 there were only 7 allocation slots left in UK and all in Black - all these slots were gone by the 3rd ... So just stayed with my original Order although i was tempted to buy 2 ... :drool: :shocked: :whistle:
Interesting, so black was definitely the last slots.
I've got an order number but still haven't paid a deposit, dealer obviously not too fussed if I don't take delivery!
How did you find out how many slots were available nationally? Could your dealer just select them or did they have a fixed allocation?
Hi Volkswizard ...
The dealer checked with VW on database and just 7 slots were left available on launch day as of 1st August ...
I still wish VW knew how to handle this Launch better, they are not making the most of this cars "specialness" ... Porsche GT dept and PR know exactly how to get the enthusiasts, press raising there expectation through Press leaks, video's, reviews etc so eventually when the car is made available the desire factor is huge and therefore residuals are strong ... but more importantly all the hard work done back at the factory is rewarded accordingly ...?!
Andrew
VW are into volume selling where as Porsche sell cars to wealthy people who are far more image conscious and generally more discerning (they can afford to be!), VW will use the GTI's image to reasonable effect to hit a niche market but fashion will also play a part so while VW are on the back foot over the emissions scandal and the R400 is kept on the shelf (which would have had the above desire factor) the other VW models trail the AMG and M Sport products by a margin in headline figures.
VW can poach Porsche staff to engineer and advise but they won't want to dilute their halo Porsche brand too much with the family still holding huge stakes on the board and huge amounts of brand shares.
In short, I'm sure VW have more of an eye on electric cars and future low emissions models than high polluting hot hatches so probably don't want too much publicity in that area?
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So many different stories ... I read the Ring Article on PH 20th July and walked into my local dealership that afternoon and gave them £500 and that was it - Clubsport S ordered - i asked had they had any other orders, they said "No" just interested parties but until Price/Spec were released no-one wanted to put any money down, so i was the first "real" CS-S order - I found out in the next few days that it was Black ... I contacted my Porsche group and got put in touch with Group VW dealership as ideally i wanted a Red car. I was told on the 1st of August 2016 there were only 7 allocation slots left in UK and all in Black - all these slots were gone by the 3rd ... So just stayed with my original Order although i was tempted to buy 2 ... :drool: :shocked: :whistle:
Interesting, so black was definitely the last slots.
I've got an order number but still haven't paid a deposit, dealer obviously not too fussed if I don't take delivery!
How did you find out how many slots were available nationally? Could your dealer just select them or did they have a fixed allocation?
Hi Volkswizard ...
The dealer checked with VW on database and just 7 slots were left available on launch day as of 1st August ...
I still wish VW knew how to handle this Launch better, they are not making the most of this cars "specialness" ... Porsche GT dept and PR know exactly how to get the enthusiasts, press raising there expectation through Press leaks, video's, reviews etc so eventually when the car is made available the desire factor is huge and therefore residuals are strong ... but more importantly all the hard work done back at the factory is rewarded accordingly ...?!
Andrew
VW are into volume selling where as Porsche sell cars to wealthy people who are far more image conscious and generally more discerning (they can afford to be!), VW will use the GTI's image to reasonable effect to hit a niche market but fashion will also play a part so while VW are on the back foot over the emissions scandal and the R400 is kept on the shelf (which would have had the above desire factor) the other VW models trail the AMG and M Sport products by a margin in headline figures.
VW can poach Porsche staff to engineer and advise but they won't want to dilute their halo Porsche brand too much with the family still holding huge stakes on the board and huge amounts of brand shares.
In short, I'm sure VW have more of an eye on electric cars and future low emissions models than high polluting hot hatches so probably don't want too much publicity in that area?
Interesting point you make ...But the Gti is the Halo to the VW brand and in many ways "is" the VW brand ... So why not publicise the most advanced VW ever produced ..??!!!
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As far as VW are concerned the R is the flagship model and the GTI is a niche model (sub-brand) in its own right. The GTI was always the best balance of the range between sporty and useable but since the mk6 R the GTI seems to have been usurped a little, mostly due to the balance of traction versus torque has been tipped towards 4wd powertrains as uber hatches take over from 'mere' hot hatches. Time and progress march on. Plus the mk7 R offers relative value for money and has become the darling of those wishing to tune rather than the GTI. In other words the GTI has been massively diluted. Not for the first time either.
VW have done their publicity bit, they've gone as far as they wanted to, most likely because the mk7 Golf as we know it is drawing to a close. Production of the model is weeks away from ceasing.
The new Golf mk7.5 will get the fanfares it requires globally next year.
VW have a reputation to mend and a limited run GTI with bits borrowed off the Leon Sub8 might keep the GTI in focus but it's not going to untarnish an image wrecked by emissions fraud.
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As far as VW are concerned the R is the flagship model and the GTI is a niche model (sub-brand) in its own right. The GTI was always the best balance of the range between sporty and useable but since the mk6 R the GTI seems to have been usurped a little, mostly due to the balance of traction versus torque has been tipped towards 4wd powertrains as uber hatches take over from 'mere' hot hatches. Time and progress march on. Plus the mk7 R offers relative value for money and has become the darling of those wishing to tune rather than the GTI. In other words the GTI has been massively diluted. Not for the first time either.
VW have done their publicity bit, they've gone as far as they wanted to, most likely because the mk7 Golf as we know it is drawing to a close. Production of the model is weeks away from ceasing.
The new Golf mk7.5 will get the fanfares it requires globally next year.
VW have a reputation to mend and a limited run GTI with bits borrowed off the Leon Sub8 might keep the GTI in focus but it's not going to untarnish an image wrecked by emissions fraud.
Do you seriously think "Mr Gti man" is that hurt by the emissions scandal ..? Surely, he is mire bothered about performance than Mpg ..?! Andrew
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As far as VW are concerned the R is the flagship model and the GTI is a niche model (sub-brand) in its own right. The GTI was always the best balance of the range between sporty and useable but since the mk6 R the GTI seems to have been usurped a little, mostly due to the balance of traction versus torque has been tipped towards 4wd powertrains as uber hatches take over from 'mere' hot hatches. Time and progress march on. Plus the mk7 R offers relative value for money and has become the darling of those wishing to tune rather than the GTI. In other words the GTI has been massively diluted. Not for the first time either.
VW have done their publicity bit, they've gone as far as they wanted to, most likely because the mk7 Golf as we know it is drawing to a close. Production of the model is weeks away from ceasing.
The new Golf mk7.5 will get the fanfares it requires globally next year.
VW have a reputation to mend and a limited run GTI with bits borrowed off the Leon Sub8 might keep the GTI in focus but it's not going to untarnish an image wrecked by emissions fraud.
Do you seriously think "Mr Gti man" is that hurt by the emissions scandal ..? Surely, he is mire bothered about performance than Mpg ..?! Andrew
Im with gt4, if I was going to go buy a new car, id still go for the gti... I dont care that vw got caught out 1St.
If I wanted economy id not be looking at hot hatches in the 1St place
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I can see where you're coming from as performance car buyers GT4 and Lemski.
VW as a group are hurt by the emissions scandal so why would they pour a load of money at promoting higher polluting models that are about to be replaced any day now? Production of the Mk7 GTI is all but over, the Ed40 is done, they've thrown a bit of money at it to get the 'Ring time back in German hands and produced a half arsed version of what they originally hinted at to highlight the MQB platform (the supposed lightweight GTI with carbon roof and other weight savings) versatility.
They've produced the ED40 in another 'complimentary' special with 150 of the worldwide 400 going to the UK. That shows two things, one being that the UK still likes hot hatches which is fair enough as we have the right roads and traffic conditions for them to make sense. The other thing being that 250 are going elsewhere in the world meaning that the GTI market as a whole over the world is pretty small. So VW would, unsurprisingly, rather shift more mundane metal to dig themselves out of their big hole.
VW might own Porsche but they aren't Porsche. The Golf is bread and butter to VW and Porsche is something entirely different. Porsche owners might well own a Golf as a second car (many do) but there is no overlap between a GT4 and a GTI aside from the Porker might have a few bits like switches borrowed from its poor cousin.
VW probably don't consider the CSS as the most advanced VW ever made, they would look to their PHEV's and current vogue SUV's for that. Porsches cost considerably more money and will have the best of the technology in relation to performance engineering to showcase what VW group can do in that area, then the bits gradually filter down to other models such as the Golf.
As a GTI owner on and off (more on than off) for nearly 30 years even I am not that interested in the CSS or 'Ring times. I'll leave that model to the speculators, traders looking to make a quick buck, those who have a VW related business to promote with one and the odd collector or two.
On that note I shall eject myself from this thread as I'm irrelevant. I only dropped by to try and explain why VW as a group didn't act like a specialist Porsche division on a dead in the water production model when they're in a huge turmoil with a global scandal the will require them to focus as much as possible on low emissions models.
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I see your point mate and tbf when the r400 concept was floating about I was excited and Obvously the emissions scandall may have killed that particular car from becoming reality.
And your right about porsche and vw.
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I see your point Exonian and agree with it, in its context ...
But the Golf needs the Gti the same as the 911 needs the RS and GT cars ... As it adds "enthusiast" value to its mainstream "cash cows" - if Porsche just made bog standard 911's their market would be smaller and their profit smaller too ... The GT4/GT3 give Porsche some motorsport credibility and lineage ... This serves three purposes 1) R&D 2) Heritage 3) Branding.
VW are doing that same thing in a smaller sense with the CS-S ... Showing too their enthusiast following that the can keep up with their competition and even better that competition and in doing so add credibility, R&D and improve the "Cult" fever attached to its Premier 40 year old brand "The Gti" - The King of Hot Hatches ... They have made 400 World wide CS-S cars - they could have made 40'000 cars and it would have still sold, but thats not the point - Porsche only make a few hundred RS cars for that same reason ...
Andrew
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GTI is iconic but not a halo, i think it is great VW have released the S and if i was going to buy a VW it would be a Clubsport or a Clubsport S as it has that something special that you can never quantify by numbers
The emissions debarcle has hit the sporting Golfs linked with sheer number of Rs on the road which has hit all residuals of the non limited models.
My dealer approached me about the CS as I was first to express and interest but in reality I would've had to pass on the M2, I know its more common but just feels a bit more engaging
I had turned my bacon VW but when you can get a R estate for £200 a month then they can take my money
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The dealer checked with VW on database and just 7 slots were left available on launch day as of 1st August ...
Interesting, do you know how many they could select for themselves, say for example you wanted to buy 7 units?
The press release categorically said all slots gone "on release" - I guess allowing for a day of processing orders (1/8), it would depend at what point in the day that the dealer checked the database.
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GTI is iconic but not a halo, i think it is great VW have released the S and if i was going to buy a VW it would be a Clubsport or a Clubsport S as it has that something special that you can never quantify by numbers
The emissions debarcle has hit the sporting Golfs linked with sheer number of Rs on the road which has hit all residuals of the non limited models.
My dealer approached me about the CS as I was first to express and interest but in reality I would've had to pass on the M2, I know its more common but just feels a bit more engaging
I had turned my bacon VW but when you can get a R estate for £200 a month then they can take my money
I had a build slot for an M2 but returned my deposit ...!
I think BMW are playing games with the M2, saying its a limited build car, which it is definitely not! Being aware of the speculation on the 1M ... I thought their lack of transparency quite alarming and at virtually £50k thought it to be too much money for a mass produced BMW and didn't want to lose £££ over the next few years so pulled the plug on that car - hence my deposit for the CS-S at £34k
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As far as VW are concerned the R is the flagship model and the GTI is a niche model (sub-brand) in its own right. The GTI was always the best balance of the range between sporty and useable but since the mk6 R the GTI seems to have been usurped a little, mostly due to the balance of traction versus torque has been tipped towards 4wd powertrains as uber hatches take over from 'mere' hot hatches. Time and progress march on. Plus the mk7 R offers relative value for money and has become the darling of those wishing to tune rather than the GTI. In other words the GTI has been massively diluted. Not for the first time either.
VW have done their publicity bit, they've gone as far as they wanted to, most likely because the mk7 Golf as we know it is drawing to a close. Production of the model is weeks away from ceasing.
The new Golf mk7.5 will get the fanfares it requires globally next year.
VW have a reputation to mend and a limited run GTI with bits borrowed off the Leon Sub8 might keep the GTI in focus but it's not going to untarnish an image wrecked by emissions fraud.
As a GTI owner on and off (more on than off) for nearly 30 years even I am not that interested in the CSS or 'Ring times. I'll leave that model to the speculators, traders looking to make a quick buck, those who have a VW related business to promote with one and the odd collector or two.
On that note I shall eject myself from this thread as I'm irrelevant. I only dropped by to try and explain why VW as a group didn't act like a specialist Porsche division on a dead in the water production model when they're in a huge turmoil with a global scandal the will require them to focus as much as possible on low emissions models.
Must agree with evwrything your saying. In my opinion the GTI died and became a marketing label when VW replaced its halo status with the VR -> R brands.
As a GTI owner for over 25 years I also dont think the CSS even conforms to what VW use to have as criteria for the GTI. It all seems to be marketing now all my opinion of cause.
If I was in the market for a car with only 2 seats I wouldnt be buying a golf.
So like you I will leave them to the speculators
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As far as VW are concerned the R is the flagship model and the GTI is a niche model (sub-brand) in its own right. The GTI was always the best balance of the range between sporty and useable but since the mk6 R the GTI seems to have been usurped a little, mostly due to the balance of traction versus torque has been tipped towards 4wd powertrains as uber hatches take over from 'mere' hot hatches. Time and progress march on. Plus the mk7 R offers relative value for money and has become the darling of those wishing to tune rather than the GTI. In other words the GTI has been massively diluted. Not for the first time either.
VW have done their publicity bit, they've gone as far as they wanted to, most likely because the mk7 Golf as we know it is drawing to a close. Production of the model is weeks away from ceasing.
The new Golf mk7.5 will get the fanfares it requires globally next year.
VW have a reputation to mend and a limited run GTI with bits borrowed off the Leon Sub8 might keep the GTI in focus but it's not going to untarnish an image wrecked by emissions fraud.
As a GTI owner on and off (more on than off) for nearly 30 years even I am not that interested in the CSS or 'Ring times. I'll leave that model to the speculators, traders looking to make a quick buck, those who have a VW related business to promote with one and the odd collector or two.
On that note I shall eject myself from this thread as I'm irrelevant. I only dropped by to try and explain why VW as a group didn't act like a specialist Porsche division on a dead in the water production model when they're in a huge turmoil with a global scandal the will require them to focus as much as possible on low emissions models.
Must agree with evwrything your saying. In my opinion the GTI died and became a marketing label when VW replaced its halo status with the VR -> R brands.
As a GTI owner for over 25 years I also dont think the CSS even conforms to what VW use to have as criteria for the GTI. It all seems to be marketing now all my opinion of cause.
If I was in the market for a car with only 2 seats I wouldnt be buying a golf.
So like you I will leave them to the speculators
Snoopy
The CS-S has just been praised by The Top Gear Team in its COTY 2016 and made it to the Final 5 alongside some serious metal including Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche - of course the Porsche Won but the CS-S has been labelled as the best Golf GTi ever and one of the best hot hatches ever made! Chris Harris giving it rave reviews ... :whistle:
Andrew
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Snoopy
The CS-S has just been praised by The Top Gear Team in its COTY 2016 and made it to the Final 5 alongside some serious metal including Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche - of course the Porsche Won but the CS-S has been labelled as the best Golf GTi ever and one of the best hot hatches ever made! Chris Harris giving it rave reviews ... :whistle:
Andrew
If Chris Harris actually puts his money were his mouth is and puts one in his garage collection with his collection of french hot hatches. AXGT, 205XS, 205 rallye I may take note. Don't forget he also gave good reviews to the GTI and R.
So lets see if he sells his 1M or CLK black and buys one.
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Snoopy
The CS-S has just been praised by The Top Gear Team in its COTY 2016 and made it to the Final 5 alongside some serious metal including Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche - of course the Porsche Won but the CS-S has been labelled as the best Golf GTi ever and one of the best hot hatches ever made! Chris Harris giving it rave reviews ... :whistle:
Andrew
If Chris Harris actually puts his money were his mouth is and puts one in his garage collection with his collection of french hot hatches. AXGT, 205XS, 205 rallye I may take note. Don't forget he also gave good reviews to the GTI and R.
So lets see if he sells his 1M or CLK black and buys one.
Snoopy ...
I don't see why you have got such a critical turn of phrase for the CS-S ..? Surely someone as respected as Chris Harris saying positive things about a VW product is only a good thing ... The thread is about the CS-S ... I drove an R and thought it very good and may yet dislike the CS-S after being used to a GT4 but never the less its great for all GTi enthusiasts that VW have built a proper limited run car with a clear design brief & intent!
To see it received so well from the press who place it above the legendary Ford RS and have it in COTY 2016 Final 5 at £34k is truly fantastic for all those lucky enough to get their names down before launch ... and also those who cherish their VW Golf and its GTi pedigree!
Andrew
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Snoopy
The CS-S has just been praised by The Top Gear Team in its COTY 2016 and made it to the Final 5 alongside some serious metal including Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche - of course the Porsche Won but the CS-S has been labelled as the best Golf GTi ever and one of the best hot hatches ever made! Chris Harris giving it rave reviews ... :whistle:
Andrew
If Chris Harris actually puts his money were his mouth is and puts one in his garage collection with his collection of french hot hatches. AXGT, 205XS, 205 rallye I may take note. Don't forget he also gave good reviews to the GTI and R.
So lets see if he sells his 1M or CLK black and buys one.
Snoopy ...
I don't see why you have got such a critical turn of phrase for the CS-S ..? Surely someone as respected as Chris Harris saying positive things about a VW product is only a good thing ... The thread is about the CS-S ... I drove an R and thought it very good and may yet dislike the CS-S after being used to a GT4 but never the less its great for all GTi enthusiasts that VW have built a proper limited run car with a clear design brief & intent!
To see it received so well from the press who place it above the legendary Ford RS and have it in COTY 2016 Final 5 at £34k is truly fantastic for all those lucky enough to get their names down before launch ... and also those who cherish their VW Golf and its GTi pedigree!
Andrew
I wonder how many GTI enthusiasts are actually buying this car. To me this is more a car for the rich who want a track toy as let's face it, it's completely impractical without the back seats. How many GTI enthusiasts are going to be able to afford this car as I'm guessing they use their GTI as their daily so probably need back seats.
The CS for the enthusiast yes but not the CS-S
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I will use my GT4 for Sunday morning blasts - my CS-S for days off in the week and for winter Sundays when GT4 is SORN and use my 2002 Mercedes C class as my 4 door daily .... If the CS-S is really good i may sell the GT4 as i am on the list for the 2017 GT3 ... So yes mine will possibly get used as a daily in some ways ... I like this set up as it gives me different driving and ownership experiences with Zero depreciation and relatively low running costs ... :smiley:
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Snoopy
The CS-S has just been praised by The Top Gear Team in its COTY 2016 and made it to the Final 5 alongside some serious metal including Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche - of course the Porsche Won but the CS-S has been labelled as the best Golf GTi ever and one of the best hot hatches ever made! Chris Harris giving it rave reviews ... :whistle:
Andrew
If Chris Harris actually puts his money were his mouth is and puts one in his garage collection with his collection of french hot hatches. AXGT, 205XS, 205 rallye I may take note. Don't forget he also gave good reviews to the GTI and R.
So lets see if he sells his 1M or CLK black and buys one.
Snoopy ...
I don't see why you have got such a critical turn of phrase for the CS-S ..? Surely someone as respected as Chris Harris saying positive things about a VW product is only a good thing ... The thread is about the CS-S ... I drove an R and thought it very good and may yet dislike the CS-S after being used to a GT4 but never the less its great for all GTi enthusiasts that VW have built a proper limited run car with a clear design brief & intent!
To see it received so well from the press who place it above the legendary Ford RS and have it in COTY 2016 Final 5 at £34k is truly fantastic for all those lucky enough to get their names down before launch ... and also those who cherish their VW Golf and its GTi pedigree!
Andrew
I wonder how many GTI enthusiasts are actually buying this car. To me this is more a car for the rich who want a track toy as let's face it, it's completely impractical without the back seats. How many GTI enthusiasts are going to be able to afford this car as I'm guessing they use their GTI as their daily so probably need back seats.
The CS for the enthusiast yes but not the CS-S
Not sure you are 100% on the mark there as anyone spending £34k on a hot hatch with cash (no finance and discount support on clubsport S) is going to be relatively ok for money. Your insinuation seems to be relative to practicality and affordability when I can tell you with a high degree of authority (having sold VW for 12 years) that a decent percentage of GTI buyers have both the money, and rarely use the back seats of their cars. There are plenty of GTI enthusiasts that don't need back seats or could probably live without them to have the best version of their favourite hatch.
This car lives in the same kind of marketplace as the M3, M2 AMG A class and other impractical cars, the difference is it rides in a way that makes it acceptable to drive to work, yet races like a fiend. It's not pointless, its a practical everyday car for 2 people who want to carry stuff but also have something genuinely sporty to drive. It's a classic GTI easy to drive everyday, but will turn into a monster when asked along with the soundtrack from the new exhaust and drivetrain.
It may be pointless to you if you have more than 2 people to put in a car, but don't confuse that with those that only have themselves and their significant other to put in it. For them and their budget a coupe may be a compromise too far but a clubsport S might be just what they need. Desirable, large load area, powerful, very capable and hopefully low depreciation.
Lets face it what other options have you got, GT86 and MX5 are slower and less practical. Focus RS is not available and too hardcore. Civic type R is a harder ride and the quality of interior isn't there. Mini is tiny. Clubsport is not as special. R is not as dynamic. M series BMW is more expensive and less practical. AMG merc is more expensive and smaller, also not as dynamic. Anything Audi is more expensive and slightly dull. There isn't really anything which compares.
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Snoopy
The CS-S has just been praised by The Top Gear Team in its COTY 2016 and made it to the Final 5 alongside some serious metal including Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche - of course the Porsche Won but the CS-S has been labelled as the best Golf GTi ever and one of the best hot hatches ever made! Chris Harris giving it rave reviews ... :whistle:
Andrew
If Chris Harris actually puts his money were his mouth is and puts one in his garage collection with his collection of french hot hatches. AXGT, 205XS, 205 rallye I may take note. Don't forget he also gave good reviews to the GTI and R.
So lets see if he sells his 1M or CLK black and buys one.
Snoopy ...
I don't see why you have got such a critical turn of phrase for the CS-S ..? Surely someone as respected as Chris Harris saying positive things about a VW product is only a good thing ... The thread is about the CS-S ... I drove an R and thought it very good and may yet dislike the CS-S after being used to a GT4 but never the less its great for all GTi enthusiasts that VW have built a proper limited run car with a clear design brief & intent!
To see it received so well from the press who place it above the legendary Ford RS and have it in COTY 2016 Final 5 at £34k is truly fantastic for all those lucky enough to get their names down before launch ... and also those who cherish their VW Golf and its GTi pedigree!
Andrew
I wonder how many GTI enthusiasts are actually buying this car. To me this is more a car for the rich who want a track toy as let's face it, it's completely impractical without the back seats. How many GTI enthusiasts are going to be able to afford this car as I'm guessing they use their GTI as their daily so probably need back seats.
The CS for the enthusiast yes but not the CS-S
Not sure you are 100% on the mark there as anyone spending £34k on a hot hatch with cash (no finance and discount support on clubsport S) is going to be relatively ok for money. Your insinuation seems to be relative to practicality and affordability when I can tell you with a high degree of authority (having sold VW for 12 years) that a decent percentage of GTI buyers have both the money, and rarely use the back seats of their cars. There are plenty of GTI enthusiasts that don't need back seats or could probably live without them to have the best version of their favourite hatch.
This car lives in the same kind of marketplace as the M3, M2 AMG A class and other impractical cars, the difference is it rides in a way that makes it acceptable to drive to work, yet races like a fiend. It's not pointless, its a practical everyday car for 2 people who want to carry stuff but also have something genuinely sporty to drive. It's a classic GTI easy to drive everyday, but will turn into a monster when asked along with the soundtrack from the new exhaust and drivetrain.
It may be pointless to you if you have more than 2 people to put in a car, but don't confuse that with those that only have themselves and their significant other to put in it. For them and their budget a coupe may be a compromise too far but a clubsport S might be just what they need. Desirable, large load area, powerful, very capable and hopefully low depreciation.
Lets face it what other options have you got, GT86 and MX5 are slower and less practical. Focus RS is not available and too hardcore. Civic type R is a harder ride and the quality of interior isn't there. Mini is tiny. Clubsport is not as special. R is not as dynamic. M series BMW is more expensive and less practical. AMG merc is more expensive and smaller, also not as dynamic. Anything Audi is more expensive and slightly dull. There isn't really anything which compares.
Great points JJ ... I would say the CS-S is the very "essence" of a Golf Gti - the 5 Door R is the logical choice if you want 365 days a year practicality but the CS-S gives hopefully that "special" feeling to ownership and the drive that has been lacking from a Golf GTi for 25 Years some would say ... VW have pulled off a Blinder and if Chris Harris agrees thats good enough for me ... ;)
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Lets face it what other options have you got, GT86 and MX5 are slower and less practical. Focus RS is not available and too hardcore. Civic type R is a harder ride and the quality of interior isn't there. Mini is tiny. Clubsport is not as special. R is not as dynamic. M series BMW is more expensive and less practical. AMG merc is more expensive and smaller, also not as dynamic. Anything Audi is more expensive and slightly dull. There isn't really anything which compares.
So basically you're dismissing every possible rival to the impractical GTI CS-S? People are so blinkered by their loyalty to one brand
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I am not over fussed about media interpretations, I am looking forward to seeing owners perception of the CS-S when they get one, it may turn out to be truly great and VW have done enough to hit the sweet spot with the car.
Harris loves it, great......is he buying one with his own money?...... I thought not!
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Lets face it what other options have you got, GT86 and MX5 are slower and less practical. Focus RS is not available and too hardcore. Civic type R is a harder ride and the quality of interior isn't there. Mini is tiny. Clubsport is not as special. R is not as dynamic. M series BMW is more expensive and less practical. AMG merc is more expensive and smaller, also not as dynamic. Anything Audi is more expensive and slightly dull. There isn't really anything which compares.
So basically you're dismissing every possible rival to the impractical GTI CS-S? People are so blinkered by their loyalty to one brand
No blinkerage here
I'm a serial car owner/buyer of many marques and I've not bought a VW for many donkeys years.
The CS-S as already mentioned is not an impractical car to all. I've been waiting for a car like this for ages. It's arriving and I cant wait
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The definition of "practical" may be different for each one of us, some people even ride motorcycles and find them pretty good for daily commutes but realistically, I'd imagine the majority of owners, even performance car ones, expect rear seats to be in the standard equipment. Even EVO on its recent uber hatch test that awarded the CS-S 1st place, stated that "probably a standard Clubsport with PSC2 tyres will tick more boxes for most buyers". To me at least, the CS-S was not even a contender during my "next car" search a few months back as its failure to transport 3 people ruled it out from the start.
Just a few thoughts on whether and how much more special the CS-S feels than the CS, as it was mentioned as an alternative a few posts back:
Marketing aside and looking at technical facts and data, a standard Clubsport with its uprated suspension, geometry and steering rack is already a much more capable Golf than any of its brothers that hardly needed a 15kg weight saving from the rear seats to go round the ring in less than 07:50. This is something that you feel from the very first turn you take with the car, especially if you've just come out of an R test-drive. That's why it serves as the base for 90%+ for the CS-S. Respecting the variant hierarchy and ensuring the R was still the flagship model in people's eyes were the true reasons behind the CS-S (call me: CS over-boost function). A 400 limited edition with what is interpreted as terminal impracticality (for 99,9% of car buyers) was the least upsetting way to do it. Which is also why the mechanical differences between the two variants are very particular and well... simple. If the base car was not already very near to that performance level or lacked the steering feel, it would take some serious modifications to get there. As an example, try upgrading just the hub carriers, brake bells, pads and fiddle with the geometry on another ordinary car. You think you'd end up with a car that feels any special at all? Answer: no....
Another very important factor is that the two cars are identical in terms of looks/bodykit. It would be hard to ignore an even more aggressive/sportier/sexier look/interior as it usually happens with the top uber-sport variants (think Porsche) as hard as it is to do the same between an R and a Clubsport for example, but between a CS and CS-S this simply isn't the case. So there goes a real "special" factor that could have been gained in favor of the CS-S. That I agree, would have been very hard to match (aesthetic modifications usually end up looking much worse than mechanical ones, if it's not there from the factory, it will never look as good).
I know the OP has mentioned future values, collectors attraction etc. that surely could be in favor of the CS-S (compared to the CS) but that's another discussion, which can only be held at a theoretical level until a few years go by.
(This is not about which is the best car to buy and please spare me from comments in that spirit...)
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Snoopy
The CS-S has just been praised by The Top Gear Team in its COTY 2016 and made it to the Final 5 alongside some serious metal including Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche - of course the Porsche Won but the CS-S has been labelled as the best Golf GTi ever and one of the best hot hatches ever made! Chris Harris giving it rave reviews ... :whistle:
Andrew
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Worth a look at the video which is now online:
http://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives/chris-harris-drives-tgs-speed-week-special
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Lets face it what other options have you got, GT86 and MX5 are slower and less practical. Focus RS is not available and too hardcore. Civic type R is a harder ride and the quality of interior isn't there. Mini is tiny. Clubsport is not as special. R is not as dynamic. M series BMW is more expensive and less practical. AMG merc is more expensive and smaller, also not as dynamic. Anything Audi is more expensive and slightly dull. There isn't really anything which compares.
So basically you're dismissing every possible rival to the impractical GTI CS-S? People are so blinkered by their loyalty to one brand
I'm talking you through why I'm buying one. The other performance cars are not suitable for me. Yes I'm loyal to the brand but I'm surprised you don't understand the attraction of the car for the likes of me. I doubt anyone has ever sat in the back of a golf I've had. Lots of furniture and tip run stuff has though.
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I can't understand this guys ... I join a GTi Forum to celebrate the humble Golf and talk about the best Golf ever designed to date, going toe to toe with Ferrari, Mclaren and the legendary Porsche 911 and giving more bang for its buck and loads of you say, Aghhh its no good, got no rear seats, only good for a Nurburgring time and impractical - What the Hell ... You should be celebrating - VW has just made their first ever Sports car in 25 years and in many ways their first GT car equivalent ... Thats like a Porsche enthusiast saying that the worst thing Porsche ever did was make the GT3 ... This is totally crazy IMO - The CS-S looks to be one of the best Sports cars in the World for 2016/17 ... Lets celebrate :cool:
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I can't understand this guys ... I join a GTi Forum to celebrate the humble Golf and talk about the best Golf ever designed to date, going toe to toe with Ferrari, Mclaren and the legendary Porsche 911 and giving more bang for its buck and loads of you say, Aghhh its no good, got no rear seats, only good for a Nurburgring time and impractical - What the Hell ... You should be celebrating - VW has just made their first ever Sports car in 25 years and in many ways their first GT car equivalent ... Thats like a Porsche enthusiast saying that the worst thing Porsche ever did was make the GT3 ... This is totally crazy IMO - The CS-S looks to be one of the best Sports cars in the World for 2016/17 ... Lets celebrate :cool:
Not sure who you mean here, I had a rather long debate on another thread defending the CS-S excellent performance against supposedly superior sports cars if you remember. And I don't think anyone here claimed it's a bad car, that would be nonsense.
Still, the truth is that for the majority of people the CS-S is indifferent. As indifferent as any 2-seater would be no matter the performance. And even more because the very few that don't mind the 2 seats, they can't buy it. So, a great car yes but a reason for many to party and be excited about? No. Why would a VW / Golf / or even GTI owner care for something he wouldn't even consider to buy? The WRC Polo dominating the championship in recent years offers far more motorsport pedigree and a strong reason to make VW owners feel excited in that aspect.
For me the real party time was when I read that VW finally was about to use the Cupra recipe and create a serious sports Golf with superior handling and steering capabilities with the Clubsport variant, that the rest of the Golf range lacked until that point. All while being a fully daily car. My feelings sky-rocketed when I actually saw the final result, the bespoke bodykit and interior. That was the car to be really excited about (for me).
I've said it before. VW screwed this up by trying not to upset its range (call me R). There was no need at all for two variants. They did a great job on the standard Clubsport and they could have continued the tweaking just that bit more and offer a car that can go as fast right from the factory, without the need to cripple it from its rear seats and make it an indifferent (for most) collector's item.
Also, it's only natural to make comparisons between such similar variants as the CS and CS-S. Both in the technical as well as the performance sector. A couple of lap times for both cars on the same track are already out and for roughly 1" gained per minute on the CS-S it seems that the biggest thing between them is the "not-so-exciting" extra 45ps. Let me be clear: I don't doubt that the CS-S further suspension tweaks are helping, but I am not sure this happens before taking both cars near their limits. Dan Prosser from EVO seems to agree on that. On the contrary, you can tell the difference between a Clubsport and an R from the very first corners in the city.
So yes, the CS-S broke the record, got all the lights etc. and as stock is a better choice for anyone who doesn't need the usual number of seats or modern car luxuries like a good sound system or high infotainment etc. No arguing with that at all, in fact since VW deliberately held the standard CS back a little with the under-boost (as it should be called), I quite like it the CS-S is out. But getting over-excited about it? Hmm, not when the CS is also on (actual) offer. If I am allowed that is.... :smiley:
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I can't understand this guys ... I join a GTi Forum to celebrate the humble Golf and talk about the best Golf ever designed to date, going toe to toe with Ferrari, Mclaren and the legendary Porsche 911 and giving more bang for its buck and loads of you say, Aghhh its no good, got no rear seats, only good for a Nurburgring time and impractical - What the Hell ... You should be celebrating - VW has just made their first ever Sports car in 25 years and in many ways their first GT car equivalent ... Thats like a Porsche enthusiast saying that the worst thing Porsche ever did was make the GT3 ... This is totally crazy IMO - The CS-S looks to be one of the best Sports cars in the World for 2016/17 ... Lets celebrate :cool:
I think it's more comparable to bemoaning Porsche releasing the Panemera (developing a family car from sports car, the exact opposite of what VW has done with the CSS) - With it's diminished practicality, the CSS is more of a track toy than the everyday all-rounder the Golf is supposed to be, the CSS defies the purpose of the Golf as a model. Out on the road, driving it in a lawful way it's practically no quicker than the standard CS which is effectively 290ps, because out on the road you will not run out of overboost when you put your foot down unless you want a driving ban. 15 seconds of overboost from a standing start will probably get you to 95mph, way more than you need to avoid the risk of losing your license.
It's no bad thing - pushing the boundaries during development helps tech filter down eventually, but for the majority of people here, anyone making the full use of the CSS will not be using it as their primary car, making it a truly niche Golf.
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I think it's more comparable to bemoaning Porsche releasing the Panemera (developing a family car from sports car, the exact opposite of what VW has done with the CSS) - With it's diminished practicality, the CSS is more of a track toy than the everyday all-rounder the Golf is supposed to be, the CSS defies the purpose of the Golf as a model. Out on the road, driving it in a lawful way it's practically no quicker than the standard CS which is effectively 290ps, because out on the road you will not run out of overboost when you put your foot down unless you want a driving ban. 15 seconds of overboost from a standing start will probably get you to 95mph, way more than you need to avoid the risk of losing your license.
It's no bad thing - pushing the boundaries during development helps tech filter down eventually, but for the majority of people here, anyone making the full use of the CSS will not be using it as their primary car, making it a truly niche Golf.
Hats off - I was thinking the exact same analogy with Porsche after I was done writing my post but it was already too big to add to it. VW and Golf started and built their reputation as great everyday cars combining top class practicality and above average build quality. A few more focused variants like the CS and CS-S are not enough to change that image. Much like the Cayenne or Panamera are not enough to make Porsche look like the default luxury family saloon/SUV manufacturer, although those cars have seriously helped Porsche to continue focusing on what it started and wants to always be: THE sports car manufacturer.
However, I don't think there would be much bemoaning if the CS-S was a full size Golf (even a 3door one) and fully "purchase-able". But the reason it couldn't be is the same reason the CS could not be the CS-S in the first place. The hierarchy had to be preserved. Which is all rather silly imo, as the R is still the only one offering 4WD for whoever that is no.1 priority. And it's already much less dynamic or rewarding than even the standard Clubsport. So no need to split the "driver's variant" (Clubsport series) in two... Still that's how VW decided it had to be...
And again, a one-off 400 limited 2-seater variant is naturally impossible to be of much interest to even the performance mass. It takes a great car that can also be bought at will and serve as a full car (not half one) at the same time, to really attract people's attention/interest and serve as a reason to party.
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http://www.bridgetogantry.com/top-gear-returning-to-the-ring-with-sabine-and-rory/
Looks as though the CS will be making an appearance on the next season of top gear, no Chris Evans so it might be a decent watch. Looks good in that colour, not 100% sure what it is?
Jonny
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Yes the CS 116 plated car has been in use by the press. It's grey but the CSS won't be available in that colour. Shame as it looks great!
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Got to agree the press car looks stunning in grey.(carbon grey i think)
Anyone any idea on the final numbers of the colours of the cars coming to the uk and the amount without aircon?
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Got to agree the press car looks stunning in grey.(carbon grey i think)
Anyone any idea on the final numbers of the colours of the cars coming to the uk and the amount without aircon?
Tornado Red 27
Pure White 65
Deep Black 58
Don't know about the aircon split.
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How do you know the colour Split ...? Also, have any cars been delivered yet ...?
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Mine is at checkpoint 7 so almost built. Haven't seen any delivered on any forums yet.
edit: went to status 30 today lets see how quick they can ship it
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Cant wait to see it JJ .... :grin:
Has anyone got any ideas what finance offers will be available ..???
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Cant wait to see it JJ .... :grin:
Has anyone got any ideas what finance offers will be available ..???
Yes there is a 6% APR PCP available. Residual after 3yrs and 30k is £15700.
Its now built and on its way :laugh:
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Cant wait to see it JJ .... :grin:
Has anyone got any ideas what finance offers will be available ..???
Yes there is a 6% APR PCP available. Residual after 3yrs and 30k is £15700.
Its now built and on its way :laugh:
Think yours will be one of the first ! Can't wait to see some pics :smiley:
On the colour split this was I believe sourced from VW and was in a previous edition of VW Driver Magazine.
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I see there are 2 CS-S cars on PH for sale .... Not sure how they can facilitate the "Flip" as VW have Named allocation ..?!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Category=used-cars&M=2508&SortOptions=PriceHighToLow
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It's literally the equivalent to ticket touts. :angry: :angry:. Pure speculative purchases in order to try and earn a profit. Hopefully no one buys them at these ridiculous prices
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So a white one seems to be worth £2k more than a black one lol
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So a white one seems to be worth £2k more than a black one lol
Great news!
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I see there are 2 CS-S cars on PH for sale .... Not sure how they can facilitate the "Flip" as VW have Named allocation ..?!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Category=used-cars&M=2508&SortOptions=PriceHighToLow
Good to see only car/driving enthusiasts bought the CS-S :rolleyes:
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I see there are 2 CS-S cars on PH for sale .... Not sure how they can facilitate the "Flip" as VW have Named allocation ..?!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Category=used-cars&M=2508&SortOptions=PriceHighToLow
Good to see only car/driving enthusiasts bought the CS-S :rolleyes:
Funnily enough I was offered a CSS today in black with air con. Easier to locate on that a CS!!
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Was that at list or above ?
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Was that at list or above ?
I didn't really get in to prices but he did say they don't sell above list.
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I see there are 2 CS-S cars on PH for sale .... Not sure how they can facilitate the "Flip" as VW have Named allocation ..?!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Category=used-cars&M=2508&SortOptions=PriceHighToLow
Once its registered in the owners name there is nothing they can do. Stops them flipping an allocation though.
I don't expect VW will go hunting the allocated owners from these adverts down but I maybe wrong.
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I see there are 2 CS-S cars on PH for sale .... Not sure how they can facilitate the "Flip" as VW have Named allocation ..?!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Category=used-cars&M=2508&SortOptions=PriceHighToLow
Once its registered in the owners name there is nothing they can do. Stops them flipping an allocation though.
I don't expect VW will go hunting the allocated owners from these adverts down but I maybe wrong.
Wouldn't be surprised if one of them is a dealer :shocked:
Not a chance VW will hunt anyone, they have their money and don't care!
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I expect a few dealer employees or their families will be in on the act.
VW won't care, as said, they had their money and will milk the fact that these are sought after models.
As for anyone mug enough to pay some of those inflated prices, it'll either be a case of "a fool and their money.." or a good investment depending on the market. A risky market in some ways with Brexit looming but then again if the money is sat in the bank doing absolutely zilch then why not enjoy it by buying a Volkswagen shaped ornament.
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I think the CS-S is going to be a similar scenario to the BMW 1M ... straight after launch sold for £2k above list then dropped to £3-5k below list then just kept going up and up after 5 years ... I would estimate that if you kept your CS-S for 5 years you will get pretty much back what you paid for it ... after all this is VW's first and very good attempt at making a true limited run GT type car, unlike the edition 40 where literally thousands have been made across the world as opposed to a mere 400 which is Porsche 918 spyder territory ... Time will tell i guess! But with the Top Gear Awards showing well for the CS-S all it needs is a podium from EVO and will surely galvanise the attraction and demand and therefore future value ...?!!
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I think the CS-S is going to be a similar scenario to the BMW 1M ... straight after launch sold for £2k above list then dropped to £3-5k below list then just kept going up and up after 5 years ... I would estimate that if you kept your CS-S for 5 years you will get pretty much back what you paid for it ... after all this is VW's first and very good attempt at making a true limited run GT type car, unlike the edition 40 where literally thousands have been made across the world as opposed to a mere 400 which is Porsche 918 spyder territory ... Time will tell i guess! But with the Top Gear Awards showing well for the CS-S all it needs is a podium from EVO and will surely galvanise the attraction and demand and therefore future value ...?!!
My brother in law has just taken delivery of his second 918 spyder. Puts it all into perspective really😀
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I think the CS-S is going to be a similar scenario to the BMW 1M ... straight after launch sold for £2k above list then dropped to £3-5k below list then just kept going up and up after 5 years ... I would estimate that if you kept your CS-S for 5 years you will get pretty much back what you paid for it ... after all this is VW's first and very good attempt at making a true limited run GT type car, unlike the edition 40 where literally thousands have been made across the world as opposed to a mere 400 which is Porsche 918 spyder territory ... Time will tell i guess! But with the Top Gear Awards showing well for the CS-S all it needs is a podium from EVO and will surely galvanise the attraction and demand and therefore future value ...?!!
It will certainly be interesting to see how values pan out! My prediction is that there will be little or no profit to be made, even in the short term. I also reckon it will also devalue over five years, slower than most other cars, but nevertheless it will drop. As has been said, only time will tell!
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Wondering if anyone had confirmation of their car being built?
According to the tracker mine was supposed to be built this week, but that has now changed to; the date for build of your car has been confirmed and will begin shortly.
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Wondering if anyone had confirmation of their car being built?
According to the tracker mine was supposed to be built this week, but that has now changed to; the date for build of your car has been confirmed and will begin shortly.
My CS-S is now at stage 4 build in progress. Went to that stage last week so I'm hoping for mid November delivery?
Jonny
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I think the CS-S is going to be a similar scenario to the BMW 1M ... straight after launch sold for £2k above list then dropped to £3-5k below list then just kept going up and up after 5 years ... I would estimate that if you kept your CS-S for 5 years you will get pretty much back what you paid for it ... after all this is VW's first and very good attempt at making a true limited run GT type car, unlike the edition 40 where literally thousands have been made across the world as opposed to a mere 400 which is Porsche 918 spyder territory ... Time will tell i guess! But with the Top Gear Awards showing well for the CS-S all it needs is a podium from EVO and will surely galvanise the attraction and demand and therefore future value ...?!!
My brother in law has just taken delivery of his second 918 spyder. Puts it all into perspective really😀
How can you possibly get delivery of two 918 Spyder's - is he in the uk ...? Lucky man :shocked:
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I think the CS-S is going to be a similar scenario to the BMW 1M ... straight after launch sold for £2k above list then dropped to £3-5k below list then just kept going up and up after 5 years ... I would estimate that if you kept your CS-S for 5 years you will get pretty much back what you paid for it ... after all this is VW's first and very good attempt at making a true limited run GT type car, unlike the edition 40 where literally thousands have been made across the world as opposed to a mere 400 which is Porsche 918 spyder territory ... Time will tell i guess! But with the Top Gear Awards showing well for the CS-S all it needs is a podium from EVO and will surely galvanise the attraction and demand and therefore future value ...?!!
My brother in law has just taken delivery of his second 918 spyder. Puts it all into perspective really😀
How can you possibly get delivery of two 918 Spyder's - is he in the uk ...? Lucky man :shocked:
I've no idea but he owns a grey one and has just got a white one. And he lives in the UK.
He's taken me for a spin in the grey one but it can't go any faster than my GTI on our roads.
It looks incredible though!
Picture of the white one
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8129/29582273784_ac2bfd67ee_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/M55Tnb)
And the grey one
[url=https://flic.kr/p/F1AmJL](https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1703/25604617520_de9911da08_k.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139403774@N05/) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139403774@N05/)
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I think the CS-S is going to be a similar scenario to the BMW 1M ... straight after launch sold for £2k above list then dropped to £3-5k below list then just kept going up and up after 5 years ... I would estimate your CS-S for 5 years you will get pretty much back what you paid for it ... after all this is VW's first and very good attempt at making a true limited run GT type car, unlike the edition 40 where literally thousands have been made across the world as opposed to a mere 400 which is Porsche 918 spyder territory ... Time will tell i guess! But with the Top Gear Awards showing well for the CS-S all it needs is a podium from EVO and will surely galvanise the attraction and demand and therefore future value ...?!!
I hope for you this happens but I don't think it will.
Short term I think the values will rise. Longer term say 5 years time the new GTI will be out. Chassis will have improved and the then GTI will have similar power but a superior chassis and probably lap times. The CS-S will then simply fade into the history books.
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On a side note Mr. GT4,
As a GTI enthusiast it would be great to see, as your in Teesside and Mr. DTUK is in Durham how about sorting out a photoshoot of your two cars once you both recieve them. :cool:
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On a side note Mr. GT4,
As a GTI enthusiast it would be great to see, as your in Teesside and Mr. DTUK is in Durham how about sorting out a photoshoot of your two cars once you both recieve them. :cool:
sounds like a plan..
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Wondering if anyone had confirmation of their car being built?
According to the tracker mine was supposed to be built this week, but that has now changed to; the date for build of your car has been confirmed and will begin shortly.
i noticed mine has changed too on the tracker....
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Wondering if anyone had confirmation of their car being built?
According to the tracker mine was supposed to be built this week, but that has now changed to; the date for build of your car has been confirmed and will begin shortly.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VREtYBkVg2HgJXFkUt8SS0Br5jjOkBYQPGeRwLsecpdKV2F3yCLAQsQZwgQObrXDIAs1C6t7-6I-VcShxQ7dYy-hQQD9qduhal8_8gsJVE4Xd_yvVRiZjvgST7K37ydqHXMJhkw1z3aUbL2PA9oe5sjNBn0r3R4FTPmA7hV6L5V0Rat_obu4Oz2T8TbgCqPWhDbxgTZLcviNZV4wipuy4VKpXksexvDZqPyX79k0Gn7Jd5wRrMc7SbOf6aVNUoNbhdow12eaAbIs031BOMJSHsk_aOnehZja9-pnHWmbG5f0wAQs_EwoiOSVoq8JbwrI8lyIDD8wj_zlzx8WN_l1smPyTxtnqxJzyI1iEILysDzjqOJHYP6Vv4GFlF5e_VYDacv2A0W-uxL_34natBypHvFClu3ZYm7VVMXEAAZbpI04aeE14JI-jJZs4P86LOSh5UiqPfT1i3CX-aXiqqYtxQeqLbEgoX-l2kqjeLLd_G2Q7PVIVYGtAbog5HyX1odz11zii1ZtCFkqjlfCT19MVHm6gnglJylbsmUtvmlLnxUx3L_nW9-lutQoUO7NDKU_zCj11EPWarL6UK7vjnjXkiK2bdLxez8uoWd0be7b4YmaaQ3E=w1150-h830-no)
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Your tracker looks completely different to mine!
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Your tracker looks completely different to mine!
From what I can tell they take a couple of weeks in production and mine has been stuck at status 30 for a while so I think they must have their own production line.
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According to my dealer (not the tracker) mine is in transit between factory and docks.
Handover expected w/c 14/11
Pretty quick seeing as Ed40s ordered in May are only a bit sooner.
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On a side note Mr. GT4,
As a GTI enthusiast it would be great to see, as your in Teesside and Mr. DTUK is in Durham how about sorting out a photoshoot of your two cars once you both recieve them. :cool:
sounds like a plan..
Yep - Sounds good - What colour is Andrew@DTUK car? - would be great if we could organise a White / Red / Black car photo shoot ...?? !!! :shocked:
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On a side note Mr. GT4,
As a GTI enthusiast it would be great to see, as your in Teesside and Mr. DTUK is in Durham how about sorting out a photoshoot of your two cars once you both recieve them. :cool:
sounds like a plan..
Yep - Sounds good - What colour is Andrew@DTUK car? - would be great if we could organise a White / Red / Black car photo shoot ...?? !!! :shocked:
Mine's white :)
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Just need a Red one then ... :kiss:
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Here's something to chew the fat over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4wAPHjYNRE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4wAPHjYNRE)
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I still find it a bit of a shame that for such a special run GTI they didn't do something unique like make it available in the two original colours the mk1 GTI was availabe in at launch over 40 years ago (mars red and diamond silver).
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^^Agreed, mars red is one of my favourite colours, would definitely have ordered my clubsport in that had it been available.
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I'm fed up with mars Red, a friend of mine runs a bus company and sprayed his entire fleet in that colour.
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I dont think imo you can compare the CS-S to limited run Porsches but maybe the renualt sport limited run models or audis.
When Audi brought out the £42020 A1 quattro limiited edition of 333 cars with only 19 being available in the uk it does seem to have held its value quite well over the years.
http://www.romansinternational.com/car/441/audi-a1-quattro
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I see that one of Porsches GT3 engineers was head of the CS-S team :nerd:
http://www.evo.co.uk/features/18442/evo-car-of-the-year-2016-preview-the-cars
Now the facts are slowly coming out - is there any wonder the CS-S is being seen by the British media as such a special car ...?! :laugh:
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A guy involved in the 997.2 GT3 RS set up worked on the original mk7 GTi set up...
2 mins 40 secs in....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kl8AP6CoyI
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Wow .... Fantastic! :laugh:
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Had an update on my CSS.
Last time I heard was that it was in transit to the port but today my excellent dealer has told me when he looked into why the status hasn't changed was that it was built but at factory awaiting a software update before it could be released.
I wonder if this is anything to do with the white CSS losing a cylinder when CAR had it at Anglesey (mentioned in mag not the video)?
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I see that one of Porsches GT3 engineers was head of the CS-S team :nerd:
http://www.evo.co.uk/features/18442/evo-car-of-the-year-2016-preview-the-cars
Now the facts are slowly coming out - is there any wonder the CS-S is being seen by the British media as such a special car ...?! :laugh:
Karsten Schebsdat worked on the Golf mk7 from the start and not solely the CS or CS-S been known for several years. Bit of a demotion I guess from Porsche, but possibly a pay rise...
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Had an update on my CSS.
Last time I heard was that it was in transit to the port but today my excellent dealer has told me when he looked into why the status hasn't changed was that it was built but at factory awaiting a software update before it could be released.
I wonder if this is anything to do with the white CSS losing a cylinder when CAR had it at Anglesey (mentioned in mag not the video)?
I heard this one today too, apparently they are hoping the software will be done by the end of the week. I just assumed it was the Nuremberg profile they need to load onto it.
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Is that the sister race circuit that was not so loved or well promoted? ;)
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Is that the sister race circuit that was not so loved or well promoted? ;)
:laugh:
(From Ben Lovejoy's site)
First, you are going to Nürburg and not Nürnberg (Nuremberg)! More than one person has ended up in totally the wrong region of Germany thanks to that pesky 'n'. You are not going to the place where the war crimes trials were heard, you are going to the place where people spend all their time going round
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Thanks Volkswizard and JJGreenword for the update. Info has been thin on the ground at my end. If you hear anything further do let us know.
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Mine has also been put back ... No worries - won't touch it till Spring anyway - Just trying to find a garage for the GT4 now so the CS-S can be all nice and tucked up through winter :undecided:
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Thanks Volkswizard and JJGreenword for the update. Info has been thin on the ground at my end. If you hear anything further do let us know.
I'll post an update as soon as I see something start to move
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I do hope it arrives during the 40th Anniversary year...
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I do hope it arrives during the 40th Anniversary year...
They want them delivered this month
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I do hope it arrives during the 40th Anniversary year...
They want them delivered this month
How do you know that?
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With the facelift announcement on this coming Thursday, I'm guessing they probably don't want to delay delivery of the "old" model too long after that.
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I do hope it arrives during the 40th Anniversary year...
They want them delivered this month
How do you know that?
They are included in November forecast
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I do hope it arrives during the 40th Anniversary year...
They want them delivered this month
How do you know that?
They are included in November forecast
All I can see is wind, rain and frost :wink:
So what forecast is that?
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Volkswagen's deliverable november forecast
Also the week 42 cars are now showing as built so lets hope they plan to do the software update this week.
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My dealer called me last week to say mine is built and reckons they're coming through in a couple of weeks right now
Very excited but people keep telling me I'd be mad to use it
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My dealer called me last week to say mine is built and reckons they're coming through in a couple of weeks right now
Very excited but people keep telling me I'd be mad to use it
What are you going to do with it if you don't use it?
I've seen enough track days with 991 GT3 RS being used in anger to not feel too precious.
At least with CSS and you can use it as you wish and depreciation should be minimal.
I'd rather have a tracked but unmodified CSS than a road use car that's been modified in anyway
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My dealer called me last week to say mine is built and reckons they're coming through in a couple of weeks right now
Very excited but people keep telling me I'd be mad to use it
What are you going to do with it if you don't use it?
I've seen enough track days with 991 GT3 RS being used in anger to not feel too precious.
At least with CSS and you can use it as you wish and depreciation should be minimal.
I'd rather have a tracked but unmodified CSS than a road use car that's been modified in anyway
Agreed, I said I'm too old to be precious about a Golf, even if it's worth money one day I'll be brown bread by then
After all I had no issue ragging my new 997 RS from new
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No change in status on mine ... Its such a pity a car like this is launched in November - takes the edge totally off the excitement for me - although on ECOTY the CS-S was praised for road holding in all conditions which is surprising giving FWD and Cup tyres ... The guys with GT4's and those tyres say they're incredible when warm and dry but unpredictable when cold and wet ... my GT4 has the Dunlops which are a little better in the wet so i believe, not that my car ever sees the wet anyway ... HaHa :laugh:
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I've just gone 'IN TRANSIT' this morning :nerd:
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I've just gone 'IN TRANSIT' this morning :nerd:
Maybe VW should have fitted the brembo brakes afterall. ;)
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I've just gone 'IN TRANSIT' this morning :nerd:
Maybe VW should have fitted the brembo brakes afterall. ;)
Very funny :wink:
Dealer just been in touch to confirm also.
I now have a chassis number and an engine code which is CJX
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Unpredictable is a very good description of Cup 2s in the wet especially when they are not brand new
Ran them on my R at a sprint which was wet as did not have chance to put a set of super sports on, the car for something with 4wd was a joke, on the plus side the GT4 owner was also having issues on them. The issue was getting heat into them at the rear on the Golf which was compounded further by haldex but power to cold tyres at the rear
These tyres do transform car but there is a trade off when damp, they actually coped quite well when cold but dry but when the temp went below freezing i left it parked up.
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Unpredictable is a very good description of Cup 2s in the wet especially when they are not brand new
Ran them on my R at a sprint which was wet as did not have chance to put a set of super sports on, the car for something with 4wd was a joke, on the plus side the GT4 owner was also having issues on them. The issue was getting heat into them at the rear on the Golf which was compounded further by haldex but power to cold tyres at the rear
These tyres do transform car but there is a trade off when damp, they actually coped quite well when cold but dry but when the temp went below freezing i left it parked up.
When does it go below freezing in oxford? That has to be pretty rare.
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Heard today that the Renault Clio RS16 has been canned after an extensive feasibility study. Had looked at the car side by side with the Clubsport S at Goodwood. Shame that it won't make production.
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When does it go below freezing in oxford? That has to be pretty rare.
How about this morning for instance
Heard today that the Renault Clio RS16 has been canned after an extensive feasibility study. Had looked at the car side by side with the Clubsport S at Goodwood. Shame that it won't make production.
Shame but i would rather they focus on the Alpine which looks far more insteresting
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Just realised the CSS's CJX engine code is the same as in the R and Clubsport Edition 40, don't know why I am surprised about that :undecided:
Might explain the software update :wink:
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Indeed it is, same turbo etc too
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Just realised the CSS's CJX engine code is the same as in the R and Clubsport Edition 40, don't know why I am surprised about that :undecided:
Might explain the software update :wink:
Ermmmm can you spell it out lol. Why would that explain the update? 😩
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Just realised the CSS's CJX engine code is the same as in the R and Clubsport Edition 40, don't know why I am surprised about that :undecided:
Might explain the software update :wink:
Ermmmm can you spell it out lol. Why would that explain the update? 😩
Exactly what i was thinking?
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MINE IS NOW SHOWING IN TRANSIT .... :laugh:
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MINE IS NOW SHOWING IN TRANSIT .... :laugh:
Nice to see someone who will be keeping theirs longish term being excited about it.
It will be a sad day once they start arrival and all the adverts sprout up on Pistonheads by the flippers asking a 4k+ premium. :sad:
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MINE IS NOW SHOWING IN TRANSIT .... :laugh:
Nice to see someone who will be keeping theirs longish term being excited about it.
It will be a sad day once they start arrival and all the adverts sprout up on Pistonheads by the flippers asking a 4k+ premium. :sad:
4K premium......mmmmmm, nice :evil: :drool:
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MINE IS NOW SHOWING IN TRANSIT .... :laugh:
Mine is IN TRANSIT TOO :smug:
Not been so excited about a car purchase for so long and I've had a few
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i see the cars on piston heads are heading up in price... :shocked: :shocked:, but still not as high as Redline in Harrogate who offered a mate of mine a Red Clubsport S for £49,995!!!!!!
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Mine was BW43, now in transit, I reckon they will all arrive together as the BW41 cars should be here by now!
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mines sitting at Emden awaiting a boat..
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i see the cars on piston heads are heading up in price... :shocked: :shocked:, but still not as high as Redline in Harrogate who offered a mate of mine a Red Clubsport S for £49,995!!!!!!
Wow .... Redline is just down the road - maybe see what they can get for mine ... :whistle:
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Mines finally in transit as well :smiley:
Popped into the dealers yesterday, think they're more excited than me about it arriving!
Hopefully its here for the end of the month.
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Will be good to see some pictures of these good to see silly season on prices for this but give it a few months and it will settle until the next must have shiny thing comes out for the non VW die hards
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I agree ... The prices keep rising :laugh: I think that the SOR Specialists usually want £5k for the sale of the car, so if the owner wants £5k profit they need to sell at circa £45k - at these prices i think we will see 50% of cars flipped which will see the price drop down to around £40k which is still good news for the owners :smug: Very similar to GT4 cars ...
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Just realised the CSS's CJX engine code is the same as in the R and Clubsport Edition 40, don't know why I am surprised about that :undecided:
Might explain the software update :wink:
Ermmmm can you spell it out lol. Why would that explain the update? 😩
Sorry for being crypic.
If CSS and CS Ed 40 (my friend had this delay too with his Ed 40) are being delayed for software updates my guess would be that the ECU still has the CJX map for Golf R and it's easier for VW to change this post production.
Or it could all be a big lie and one they roll out when there's something they would rather not reveal going on
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Just realised the CSS's CJX engine code is the same as in the R and Clubsport Edition 40, don't know why I am surprised about that :undecided:
Might explain the software update :wink:
Ermmmm can you spell it out lol. Why would that explain the update? 😩
Sorry for being crypic.
If CSS and CS Ed 40 (my friend had this delay too with his Ed 40) are being delayed for software updates my guess would be that the ECU still has the CJX map for Golf R and it's easier for VW to change this post production.
Or it could all be a big lie and one they roll out when there's something they would rather not reveal going on
Where did this information come from regarding Software updates? How do we even know it's true?
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I got this message from my dealer, who was told this by VW UK. I think the other guys got the same message via their VW dealer too.
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Just realised the CSS's CJX engine code is the same as in the R and Clubsport Edition 40, don't know why I am surprised about that :undecided:
Might explain the software update :wink:
Ermmmm can you spell it out lol. Why would that explain the update? 😩
Sorry for being crypic.
If CSS and CS Ed 40 (my friend had this delay too with his Ed 40) are being delayed for software updates my guess would be that the ECU still has the CJX map for Golf R and it's easier for VW to change this post production.
Or it could all be a big lie and one they roll out when there's something they would rather not reveal going on
Thanks for explaining Volkswizard :smiley:
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Incredible anticipation ... no one really has a clue apart from the journos - but with ECOTY & Top Gear speed week giving absolutely scintillating feedback and VW doing such a crap job of PR and launch it must be on he'll of a car?! I am so glad I saw it coming from articles on PH ... One of the best affordable sports cars in years and even before launch a modern classic ... wow :laugh:
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Incredible anticipation ... no one really has a clue apart from the journos - but with ECOTY & Top Gear speed week giving absolutely scintillating feedback and VW doing such a crap job of PR and launch it must be on he'll of a car?! I am so glad I saw it coming from articles on PH ... One of the best affordable sports cars in years and even before launch a modern classic ... wow :laugh:
I'm getting the impression from your posts that you're slightly excited. Hopefully it's not a big let down. TBH I don't know how it can be anywhere near as exciting as a GT4 or are you just hoping to flip it quickly and make some money?
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Incredible anticipation ... no one really has a clue apart from the journos - but with ECOTY & Top Gear speed week giving absolutely scintillating feedback and VW doing such a crap job of PR and launch it must be on he'll of a car?! I am so glad I saw it coming from articles on PH ... One of the best affordable sports cars in years and even before launch a modern classic ... wow :laugh:
I'm getting the impression from your posts that you're slightly excited. Hopefully it's not a big let down. TBH I don't know how it can be anywhere near as exciting as a GT4 or are you just hoping to flip it quickly and make some money?
The GT4 is a great car and i am on the list for a 991 Gen2 GT3 - just love the challenge of finding the next great car ... driving for a few years of free motoring and getting your money back is never a bad thing to do :rolleyes:
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Checked yesterday with VW UK and my CSS is still in Emden.
It's got to move soon if they want to deliver it in November as per their forecast
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Yes....Mine is there too
Booked in for Venturshield on the 28th and Silverstone track day on 3rd Dec
Reckon I should cancel both...Gutted
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Yes....Mine is there too
Booked in for Venturshield on the 28th and Silverstone track day on 3rd Dec
Reckon I should cancel both...Gutted
I would, although the tracker says my week 39 car is is transit its actually still sitting outside the factory waiting for a software update along with all the later build week cars we are supplying. Apparently some of them have moved but I'm yet to see any make their way to the port yet.
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We have one of our customer cars now in port of exit status 38
Might get here for the end of the month
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When did it change from 30?
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Today
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Just checked all mine, only 1 has gone to 38 and oddly it was right in the middle of the pack to be built. The only one I've got without aircon funnily enough.
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Yes....Mine is there too
Booked in for Venturshield on the 28th and Silverstone track day on 3rd Dec
Reckon I should cancel both...Gutted
I was aiming for Bedford on 26/11 :cry:
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Yes....Mine is there too
Booked in for Venturshield on the 28th and Silverstone track day on 3rd Dec
Reckon I should cancel both...Gutted
I was aiming for Bedford on 26/11 :cry:
Volkswizard - Is it ok to take the CS-S straight to the track or is there any running in procedure for Gti's or CS-S cars ...??
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What VW say and what is best for your car are two different things.
With my R I was careful not to labour it nor go past 5000 rpm to 1000 miles and did an oil change then and it didn't use a drop.
Between those lower and up limits it's important to not be too gentle and vary the revs so steady motorway isn't good.
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Mine is still at Status 30, was planning on Silverstone on 27th with RMA!
Looks like it will have to be the M3 for that weekend :cry:
Had a Clubsport 3dr Manual delivered today with Buckets in White, makes me want mine to hurry up!
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How did it look ... No pictures available anywhere of a Black CS-S .... :rolleyes:
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guess it looks like this with less doors and better wheels
(http://i.live.autotrader.co.za/merlin-image-server/view/74455a20-08ee-4be8-8f2c-d0a9cc919d40/800)
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What VW say and what is best for your car are two different things.
With my R I was careful not to labour it nor go past 5000 rpm to 1000 miles and did an oil change then and it didn't use a drop.
Between those lower and up limits it's important to not be too gentle and vary the revs so steady motorway isn't good.
Some sound advice there, babying the car on run in is one of the worst things you can do. Motorway run-ons are also a no no - Did that with a MK5 Golf TDI140 and it was thirsty, sluggish and used a litre of oil every 1000 miles.
Don't race a cold engine, but other than that mixed speeds for the first 1000 miles and up to 3/4 throttle for the first 500 miles. I also changed the oil on my R after run-in. It's more frugal than most Rs reportedly are here and hasn't used a drop of oil.
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Just checked all mine, only 1 has gone to 38 and oddly it was right in the middle of the pack to be built. The only one I've got without aircon funnily enough.
One of ours is now on ship.....
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Just need a Red one then ... :kiss:
ive found one :)
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Just need a Red one then ... :kiss:
ive found one :)
Ok ... let's get together for a run out and photo opportunity - when the weather permits :rolleyes: