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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: fredgroves on 24 September 2016, 17:45
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Just noticed it in the configurator - choose 18 or 19 wheels with or without free S&S.
I guess another pre-facelift run-out.
Bargain!
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Almost certainly a temporary glitch.
There has been nothing official announced yet. Rest assured any official news I will make people aware of.
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I'm in another mainland Europe country, and when I selected S&S pack the 18" wheels were part of it. The rest of the kit is pretty much a freebie when you consider how much the 18" wheels cost by themselves.
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Almost certainly a temporary glitch.
There has been nothing official announced yet. Rest assured any official news I will make people aware of.
Just seen it.It looks like they mean it. :shocked:
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I'm in another mainland Europe country, and when I selected S&S pack the 18" wheels were part of it. The rest of the kit is pretty much a freebie when you consider how much the 18" wheels cost by themselves.
In the UK the 18's were standard zero cost - I know in Germany the base car has virtually nothing on it though.
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Just noticed it in the configurator - choose 18 or 19 wheels with or without free S&S.
I guess another pre-facelift run-out.
Bargain!
Its not free. When you select either picture with the red calipers it adds £275 for the pretend exhaust pack.
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That's a bit cheeky!
It definitely says £0 for 18's with or without S&S and 19's are £990 with or without.
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That's a bit cheeky!
It definitely says £0 for 18's with or without S&S and 19's are £990 with or without.
It is saying that the price of the wheels doesn't change whether you are selecting S&S or not, not that S&S are free. Some options eat into the price of others as there's an overlap of equipment, some don't
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Why don't they add metallic paint or DSG or NavPro to that list?
The price of the wheels don't change with those either.
Seriously, that's an iffy way of putting things.
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I think it's just a sales thing trying to promote the S&S pack which is normally buried away in the extras on the last page and very few people know what it is.
It's just to raise awareness and show off the red calipers to sell more packs. Maybe a promotion ahead of the production change to clear parts stock?
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Just noticed it in the configurator - choose 18 or 19 wheels with or without free S&S.
I guess another pre-facelift run-out.
Bargain!
Its not free. When you select either picture with the red calipers it adds £275 for the pretend exhaust pack.
I laughed!. :grin:
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Just noticed it in the configurator - choose 18 or 19 wheels with or without free S&S.
I guess another pre-facelift run-out.
Bargain!
Its not free. When you select either picture with the red calipers it adds £275 for the pretend exhaust pack.
I laughed!. :grin:
I was going to write IMO, but its not, its a fact :grin:
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I was going to write IMO, but its not, its a fact :grin:
Ok I'll bite :grin: why is it a pretend exhaust pack?
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Are VWUK even describing the 'S and S' pack correctly yet?
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I was going to write IMO, but its not, its a fact :grin:
Ok I'll bite :grin: why is it a pretend exhaust pack?
It makes a fake exhaust sound from a diesel car to make it pretend like the exhaust sound from a petrol R or GTI??
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The R and gti have it to make them sound like v8s. Loads of manufacturers doing it now. The first thing I'm doing will be to turn the soundaktor off or down.
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The R and gti have it to make them sound like v8s. Loads of manufacturers doing it now. The first thing I'm doing will be to turn the soundaktor off or down.
Were not talking about the soundaktor (which is standard on all GTI/D & R) - Its the S&S pack (only on GTD) witch deletes the rear silencer and adds an integrated loud speaker into the exhaust pipe, thus creating a pretend exhaust note from the diesel engine.
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The R and gti have it to make them sound like v8s. Loads of manufacturers doing it now. The first thing I'm doing will be to turn the soundaktor off or down.
Were not talking about the soundaktor (which is standard on all GTI/D & R) - Its the S&S pack (only on GTD) witch deletes the rear silencer and adds an integrated loud speaker into the exhaust pipe, thus creating a pretend exhaust note from the diesel engine.
This is correct, however, as pointed out above all manufacturers are doing this to meet the rules on noise emissions. Even Aston Martin and the like are at it. They realise people want cars to sound a particular way and the legislation means that it is no longer possible to do this mechanically (though some high end cars use exhaust flaps to keep the sound down below certain rev/throttle combinations).
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The R and gti have it to make them sound like v8s. Loads of manufacturers doing it now. The first thing I'm doing will be to turn the soundaktor off or down.
Were not talking about the soundaktor (which is standard on all GTI/D & R) - Its the S&S pack (only on GTD) witch deletes the rear silencer and adds an integrated loud speaker into the exhaust pipe, thus creating a pretend exhaust note from the diesel engine.
This is correct, however, as pointed out above all manufacturers are doing this to meet the rules on noise emissions. Even Aston Martin and the like are at it. They realise people want cars to sound a particular way and the legislation means that it is no longer possible to do this mechanically (though some high end cars use exhaust flaps to keep the sound down below certain rev/throttle combinations).
Yes, correct, but the GTI and R don't have a speaker in the exhaust, only in the cabin.
Bottom line is the S&S pack makes the GTD sound like something it isn't. It's pretending to be a larger more powerful petrol engine car.
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Everyone here with S&S tell me that it sounds actually quite good - but obviously its a totally fake engine noise.
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Everyone here with S&S tell me that it sounds actually quite good - but obviously its a totally fake engine noise.
I like it. Based on the description it shouldn't work but I believe it does. The German manufacturers are all using the same kit by the sounds of it as there's a "family" sound.
Interestingly Audi have decided to use one on the new TT RS, there's even a button on the console to change the sound, though I think it has exhaust flaps as well. Check the videos, it sounds pretty damn good actually.
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The R and gti have it to make them sound like v8s. Loads of manufacturers doing it now. The first thing I'm doing will be to turn the soundaktor off or down.
Were not talking about the soundaktor (which is standard on all GTI/D & R) - Its the S&S pack (only on GTD) witch deletes the rear silencer and adds an integrated loud speaker into the exhaust pipe, thus creating a pretend exhaust note from the diesel engine.
This is correct, however, as pointed out above all manufacturers are doing this to meet the rules on noise emissions. Even Aston Martin and the like are at it. They realise people want cars to sound a particular way and the legislation means that it is no longer possible to do this mechanically (though some high end cars use exhaust flaps to keep the sound down below certain rev/throttle combinations).
Yes, correct, but the GTI and R don't have a speaker in the exhaust, only in the cabin.
Bottom line is the S&S pack makes the GTD sound like something it isn't. It's pretending to be a larger more powerful petrol engine car.
So the R and Gti are V8s are they?? Only difference is the sound is pumped inside.
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Everyone here with S&S tell me that it sounds actually quite good - but obviously its a totally fake engine noise.
I like it. Based on the description it shouldn't work but I believe it does. The German manufacturers are all using the same kit by the sounds of it as there's a "family" sound.
Interestingly Audi have decided to use one on the new TT RS, there's even a button on the console to change the sound, though I think it has exhaust flaps as well. Check the videos, it sounds pretty damn good actually.
So what you are saying is everyone with SS pack are trying to, or pretending to, make their CR 2.0 TDI 184 sound like a 2.5litre 5 pot 400 bhp TTRS/RS3?
Well whatever floats your boat, but it's not for me thanks 😳 My GTD is a diesel and I'm not going to try and hide it.
Kind of reminds me when I was 17 and we would put peco back boxes/induction kits on our 1.1 saxos/106 to make them sound like something else...
Red calipers are a nice touch though.
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You'll probably get slightly more power with the s + s pack as the exhaust is straight through instead of with the back box on, not much but maybe a little.
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You'll probably get slightly more power with the s + s pack as the exhaust is straight through instead of with the back box on, not much but maybe a little.
I actually thought that myself when I first saw it, it's never been discussed on here?
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Couple of kilos of weight decrease if nothing else... Although I dread to think about the future replacement of the magic exhaust... Probably not a problem yet.
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You'll probably get slightly more power with the s + s pack as the exhaust is straight through instead of with the back box on, not much but maybe a little.
I actually thought that myself when I first saw it, it's never been discussed on here?
Actually it has. I mentioned it when we got our car and then in a later post regarding S&S pack. Our car is much more urgent than the non S&S car we test drove. The lack of rear silencer and the fact the exhaust is largely straight through (albeit with a slightly longer centre box) is what I think is the difference. However, map changes are not impossible as VW seem unable to describe the content of the pack properly :grin:
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So what you are saying is everyone with SS pack are trying to, or pretending to, make their CR 2.0 TDI 184 sound like a 2.5litre 5 pot 400 bhp TTRS/RS3?
Wow, you do read what you want to read don't you? The devices are programmable, they're used on mercs, audi's , vw's and I don't doubt every other German car maker. Diesel, Petrol, whatever, the manufacturer can choose what the sound is like. There's even a Kufatec box for these cars that lets you select a variety of different sounds.
Me personally, I don't ever think a diesel is going to sound like a 2.5 petrol, nor would I want to try. Making a diesel sound better? Very much so. You don't seem to have experienced the S&S pack for yourself but I will say that it sounds nothing like a V8/V6/Straight 6 or any other "nice" sounding "proper" engines making their natural noise, it does make a normally boring engine sound a bit nicer. But, as I said earlier, even those putting in "proper" engines are using these devices to "augment the audio track" of the engine.
You don't have to like it, you don't have to buy one (though the day is approaching where all cars will be "augmented"), not sure why you feel the need to berate the choices of others?
Good look buying in the future,, they're all at it.....
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You'll probably get slightly more power with the s + s pack as the exhaust is straight through instead of with the back box on, not much but maybe a little.
I actually thought that myself when I first saw it, it's never been discussed on here?
Actually it has. I mentioned it when we got our car and then in a later post regarding S&S pack. Our car is much more urgent than the non S&S car we test drove. The lack of rear silencer and the fact the exhaust is largely straight through (albeit with a slightly longer centre box) is what I think is the difference. However, map changes are not impossible as VW seem unable to describe the content of the pack properly :grin:
The S&S could be a secret Performance Pack for the GTD, :laugh: no but seriously, like you say, the lack of rear silencer must make a slight difference.
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So what you are saying is everyone with SS pack are trying to, or pretending to, make their CR 2.0 TDI 184 sound like a 2.5litre 5 pot 400 bhp TTRS/RS3?
Wow, you do read what you want to read don't you? The devices are programmable, they're used on mercs, audi's , vw's and I don't doubt every other German car maker. Diesel, Petrol, whatever, the manufacturer can choose what the sound is like. There's even a Kufatec box for these cars that lets you select a variety of different sounds.
Me personally, I don't ever think a diesel is going to sound like a 2.5 petrol, nor would I want to try. Making a diesel sound better? Very much so. You don't seem to have experienced the S&S pack for yourself but I will say that it sounds nothing like a V8/V6/Straight 6 or any other "nice" sounding "proper" engines making their natural noise, it does make a normally boring engine sound a bit nicer. But, as I said earlier, even those putting in "proper" engines are using these devices to "augment the audio track" of the engine.
You don't have to like it, you don't have to buy one (though the day is approaching where all cars will be "augmented"), not sure why you feel the need to berate the choices of others?
Good look buying in the future,, they're all at it.....
Your the one that said they all have a 'family' note and its being used on the TTRS??
Really don't want to 'experience' the S&S for myself thanks, seen plenty of videos when it first come out and IMO its just embarrassing.
No I didn't order it on my own GTD, but did considered it - purely for the red calipers and possibly gain from the rear silencer delete. But at the time of ordering I couldn't find out if the exhaust speaker could be easily disconnected without any problems, plus I went for TR so the red calipers wouldn't really stand out as much..
Oh and I do apologies if I have upset any of the S&S pack committee, but it was actually only meant to be a bit of light heated banter. (I know a few would have seen it this way)
Like I said before, whatever floats your boat, each to their own, you enjoy your S&S GTD and I will enjoy my non-SS GTD. :wink:
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So what you are saying is everyone with SS pack are trying to, or pretending to, make their CR 2.0 TDI 184 sound like a 2.5litre 5 pot 400 bhp TTRS/RS3?
Wow, you do read what you want to read don't you? The devices are programmable, they're used on mercs, audi's , vw's and I don't doubt every other German car maker. Diesel, Petrol, whatever, the manufacturer can choose what the sound is like. There's even a Kufatec box for these cars that lets you select a variety of different sounds.
Me personally, I don't ever think a diesel is going to sound like a 2.5 petrol, nor would I want to try. Making a diesel sound better? Very much so. You don't seem to have experienced the S&S pack for yourself but I will say that it sounds nothing like a V8/V6/Straight 6 or any other "nice" sounding "proper" engines making their natural noise, it does make a normally boring engine sound a bit nicer. But, as I said earlier, even those putting in "proper" engines are using these devices to "augment the audio track" of the engine.
You don't have to like it, you don't have to buy one (though the day is approaching where all cars will be "augmented"), not sure why you feel the need to berate the choices of others?
Good look buying in the future,, they're all at it.....
Your the one that said they all have a 'family' note and its being used on the TTRS??
Really don't want to 'experience' the S&S for myself thanks, seen plenty of videos when it first come out and IMO its just embarrassing.
No I didn't order it on my own GTD, but did considered it - purely for the red calipers and possibly gain from the rear silencer delete. But at the time of ordering I couldn't find out if the exhaust speaker could be easily disconnected without any problems, plus I went for TR so the red calipers wouldn't really stand out as much..
Oh and I do apologies if I have upset any of the S&S pack committee, but it was actually only meant to be a bit of light heated banter. (I know a few would have seen it this way)
Like I said before, whatever floats your boat, each to their own, you enjoy your S&S GTD and I will enjoy my non-SS GTD. :wink:
lol what are you 12? There's banter and there's being an arse. Read up on what it means. Referring to those who like the S&S pack as a "committee" is a great way to make you look really immature.
Hey, each to their own, again you might want to look up what that actually means :grin:
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So what you are saying is everyone with SS pack are trying to, or pretending to, make their CR 2.0 TDI 184 sound like a 2.5litre 5 pot 400 bhp TTRS/RS3?
Wow, you do read what you want to read don't you? The devices are programmable, they're used on mercs, audi's , vw's and I don't doubt every other German car maker. Diesel, Petrol, whatever, the manufacturer can choose what the sound is like. There's even a Kufatec box for these cars that lets you select a variety of different sounds.
Me personally, I don't ever think a diesel is going to sound like a 2.5 petrol, nor would I want to try. Making a diesel sound better? Very much so. You don't seem to have experienced the S&S pack for yourself but I will say that it sounds nothing like a V8/V6/Straight 6 or any other "nice" sounding "proper" engines making their natural noise, it does make a normally boring engine sound a bit nicer. But, as I said earlier, even those putting in "proper" engines are using these devices to "augment the audio track" of the engine.
You don't have to like it, you don't have to buy one (though the day is approaching where all cars will be "augmented"), not sure why you feel the need to berate the choices of others?
Good look buying in the future,, they're all at it.....
Your the one that said they all have a 'family' note and its being used on the TTRS??
Really don't want to 'experience' the S&S for myself thanks, seen plenty of videos when it first come out and IMO its just embarrassing.
No I didn't order it on my own GTD, but did considered it - purely for the red calipers and possibly gain from the rear silencer delete. But at the time of ordering I couldn't find out if the exhaust speaker could be easily disconnected without any problems, plus I went for TR so the red calipers wouldn't really stand out as much..
Oh and I do apologies if I have upset any of the S&S pack committee, but it was actually only meant to be a bit of light heated banter. (I know a few would have seen it this way)
Like I said before, whatever floats your boat, each to their own, you enjoy your S&S GTD and I will enjoy my non-SS GTD. :wink:
lol what are you 12? There's banter and there's being an arse. Read up on what it means. Referring to those who like the S&S pack as a "committee" is a great way to make you look really immature.
Hey, each to their own, again you might want to look up what that actually means :grin:
Again, the committee comment was just a little joke, you need to lighten up my friend. :smiley:
You obviously don't like my opinion of the S&S, it really doesn't bother me in the slightest, I'm pretty sure I'm not the first person on here that has had a similar opinion of it, lets just agree to disagree, its Friday, have a beer and chill :cool:
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I think it's funny you think it's an embarrassing option GTD1414! I'm not a flashy guy but the exhaust sounds great to me. I believe it sounds a bit better than standard even with the speaker turned off. And with the speaker on I believe it's louder than the GTI and possibly the R (thinking back to my R test drive, but someone may have a better idea).
It doesn't matter that it's a diesel to me as it's all about the grin it puts on your face. Plus you just flick it off when you want to, perfect.
This is one of the best videos showing it incase anyone is put off by your comments :grin:
https://youtu.be/9OqRKMyINnc
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I think it's funny you think it's an embarrassing option GTD1414! I'm not a flashy guy but the exhaust sounds great to me. I believe it sounds a bit better than standard even with the speaker turned off. And with the speaker on I believe it's louder than the GTI and possibly the R (thinking back to my R test drive, but someone may have a better idea).
It doesn't matter that it's a diesel to me as it's all about the grin it puts on your face. Plus you just flick it off when you want to, perfect.
This is one of the best videos showing it incase anyone is put off by your comments :grin:
https://youtu.be/9OqRKMyINnc
Ffrank, you've hit the nail on the head where you say its louder than the GTI/R, IMO thats wrong, but if you like it then thats all that matters. :smiley:
I actually really like your combo of Night Blue with the red calipers. :cool:
My GTD is TR with sunroof, a lot of people probably don't like that, but I do.
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Although I'd happily buy a GTD without it, ever since it was first announced I've thought the S&S pack was a really novel idea and totally un-Volkswagen like.
It's fairly cheap and just adds a bit of fun to the car in lieu of having a PP option.
I'd tick that box for sure if I was ordering.
Plus there has been more than one person who has said their S&S equipped car felt quicker. There has definitely been something lost in translation about the pack and I doubt it actually puts out much extra power but it's quite possible the turbo spools quicker due to the freer flowing exhaust making it more responsive.
And anything to make a Diesel sound less agricultural has to be a good thing...
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Thumbs up from my neighbours for the S&S pack...and that's coming from someone with a V8 AMG
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Thumbs up from my neighbours for the S&S pack...and that's coming from someone with a V8 AMG
Ah cmon now. That's like David Beckham giving the thumbsup to his kid during Sunday morning footie match :grin:
S&S owner here too and I love it. I don't think any video can truly capture what it sounds like in real life. The GoPro one is close enough though.
My son always asks me if he can do "vroom vroom" on the accelerator pedal. Pretty sure he wouldn't want to if it didn't sound like it does :)