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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: mcmaddy on 17 September 2016, 12:57
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Been out this morning to test drive an R and a Gti PP. Must say I was quite disappointed with the gti. The ride felt very very choppy against the R and they both had 19" wheels on. R felt a lot smoother to drive than the gti and the gti felt a bit wheezy which I suppose it would considering its 70bhp down on the R. The biggest surprise was that on exactly the same test route I got 33mpg out of the R and 30 out of the gti!! I've now got an even bigger dilemma than I had before I went :whistle:
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Chris - what was the spec of each? Both manual? Both DSG? One DSG one manual?
The mpg differences could be likely with a manual R vs a DSG GTI.
Did they both have (or not have) DCC? I find my R's ride (on Prets) a little harsh crawling around in traffic, but really smooth above 20mph, without DCC. Ride differences could also be down to the rubber each had and tyre pressure differences - Bridgestones that came with my R were very much harder on the ride than the Michelin PSS that replaced them.
Did you get the opportunity to give it some welly? Assumiing you went to Lookers Silverlink, all those poxy average speed cameras that have cropped up around the Silverlink roundabout in all 4 directions might not have given you much of a chance to stretch the car's legs if it was just a short test drive.
My mobile is dead at the moment - needs a charge, so will not have seen any messages you might've said on the subject.
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Been out this morning to test drive an R and a Gti PP. Must say I was quite disappointed with the gti. The ride felt very very choppy against the R and they both had 19" wheels on. R felt a lot smoother to drive than the gti and the gti felt a bit wheezy which I suppose it would considering its 70bhp down on the R. The biggest surprise was that on exactly the same test route I got 33mpg out of the R and 30 out of the gti!! I've now got an even bigger dilemma than I had before I went :whistle:
I would say you now have much less of dilemma than before. :whistle:
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Been out this morning to test drive an R and a Gti PP. Must say I was quite disappointed with the gti. The ride felt very very choppy against the R and they both had 19" wheels on. R felt a lot smoother to drive than the gti and the gti felt a bit wheezy which I suppose it would considering its 70bhp down on the R. The biggest surprise was that on exactly the same test route I got 33mpg out of the R and 30 out of the gti!! I've now got an even bigger dilemma than I had before I went :whistle:
I would say you now have much less of dilemma than before. :whistle:
Agreed. Just get the R and stop messing about.
If I wanted a GTI, I wouldn't test drive an R :wink:
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Been out this morning to test drive an R and a Gti PP. Must say I was quite disappointed with the gti. The ride felt very very choppy against the R and they both had 19" wheels on. R felt a lot smoother to drive than the gti and the gti felt a bit wheezy which I suppose it would considering its 70bhp down on the R. The biggest surprise was that on exactly the same test route I got 33mpg out of the R and 30 out of the gti!! I've now got an even bigger dilemma than I had before I went :whistle:
I would say you now have much less of dilemma than before. :whistle:
Agreed. Just get the R and stop messing about.
If I wanted a GTI, I wouldn't test drive an R :wink:
Well said kalimon.
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Both were manual and neither had dcc. The R had continentals and the gti had pirellis. Looks like I might be getting an R with 19s :whistle:
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I think the GTI's 19" tyre has a different size than the R's 19. The GTI tyre is narrower and has a slightly lower profile as a result. That might explain the choppier ride. Plus the R carries a bit more weight and generally feels much more planted on the road imo.
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I thought the tyres were exactly the same but could it be the width of the rim too?
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Been out this morning to test drive an R and a Gti PP. Must say I was quite disappointed with the gti. The ride felt very very choppy against the R and they both had 19" wheels on. R felt a lot smoother to drive than the gti and the gti felt a bit wheezy which I suppose it would considering its 70bhp down on the R. The biggest surprise was that on exactly the same test route I got 33mpg out of the R and 30 out of the gti!! I've now got an even bigger dilemma than I had before I went :whistle:
Mcmaddy - have you considered anything else? Non VW I mean. I've just ordered a BMW M140i. Utterly blew me away. The straight six is like silk. Also does around 33 mpg. Fancy a change away from VW for a bit. I've been quite loyal :wink:
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I thought the tyres were exactly the same but could it be the width of the rim too?
The GTI tyre is 10mm narrower with the same % profile, so it does have a lower profile than the R tyre. It's an unusual size afaik, so it could well be more costly to replace the GTI tyres.
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Hawaii 5-O - I need a five door and the only other car I've looked at is the s3
Joe - your right with that, same size rim as R but the tyre is slightly stretched on the gti. Good spot fella cheers
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Hawaii 5-O - I need a five door and the only other car I've looked at is the s3
I've ordered a five door. It's the 2 series coupe that's only two door. But anyway. What d'ya make of the S3? Better interior surely? But the downside is that you have to spec loads of extras to bring it close to GTD/GTI/R spec. Also discounts not as generous at VW.
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Didn't actually drive the s3 but I thought it looked too clinical inside for some reason. The spec is about the same with the addition of magnetic ride and 19s as standard, it also has the 7 speed S tronic too. Discounts are very low compared to the R so it puts it just out of reach really. I might have a look at the 140i though.
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Didn't actually drive the s3 but I thought it looked too clinical inside for some reason. The spec is about the same with the addition of magnetic ride and 19s as standard, it also has the 7 speed S tronic too. Discounts are very low compared to the R so it puts it just out of reach really. I might have a look at the 140i though.
I'm in an A3 saloon right now (courtesy car for the wife's A1 - too big for her so she's driving the R) - it's a very late 16 reg, don't think it is facelifted. The rear view mirror is a tiny bit smaller than the golf one, with a very thin bevel and very slim auto dimming button (which I like). I also like the layout of the climate control more on that than the Golf.
Not a fan of the pop-up screen - why hide it away when the car is switched off when you really need it while driving? Just have it set in a place permanently like the Golf's is - I do prefer the MMI navigational toggle button though - I find the touch screen of the Golf a bit clumsy sometimes.
Steering wheel is comparable, but prefer the Golf's button layout on the steering wheel, aside the sides of the central console, the door card and dash materials are comparable (different style of vents - round ones) and the A3 seats are less comfy. auto lights switchgear is much smaller and tidier on the A3.
The looks of the 1 series would always put it out of contention for me.
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The GTI Santiagos are 7.5 inch wide and run a 225 section tyre and the R Pretoria runs 8.0 width and 235 tyres.
The Prets are lighter though and maybe that affects the ride.
I had both 18 and 19 inch wheels on both my R and GTI at various times. There's little difference between the two cars in ride quality when wearing the same size wheels and tyres but the chassis feels different in both cars.
I'd not call the GTI wheezy by any means and it should be significantly better on fuel so maybe there was something wrong with the test car.
I really don't see how a GTI CS would be a better long term investment than a regular GTI PP when the latter can be bought with massive incentives.
The CSS is a whole different kettle of fish but the regular CS is just Golf Cupra like the last two generations of birthday editions. Yep, they'll be worth more in the right spec than a PP but the whole cost of ownership should be way less with a PP. The second hand market might tell a different story but unless you can get a cracking deal on a CS then buying new means you buy a CS for what it is, not as a better investment.
Anyway, if you're even considering an R over a GTI then you'll end up either with the R or wishing you bought the R a few months later.
Those that don't want an R will likely not even consider one as they have different requirements when buying. There's quite a wide spectrum of sporty Golfs really and it's quite hard to choose between models even before you cast your net wider.
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Been out this morning to test drive an R and a Gti PP. Must say I was quite disappointed with the gti. The ride felt very very choppy against the R and they both had 19" wheels on. R felt a lot smoother to drive than the gti and the gti felt a bit wheezy which I suppose it would considering its 70bhp down on the R. The biggest surprise was that on exactly the same test route I got 33mpg out of the R and 30 out of the gti!! I've now got an even bigger dilemma than I had before I went :whistle:
When I test drove an R recently with 19s I was convinced it had DCC as it was so smooth.
Turns out it was just a regular R so maybe there's something in the tyre sizes as has been suggested.
I was certainly expecting a rougher ride being used to 18s but it was the opposite.
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As Exonian says, if you are considering the R, i would get it as it may be the right time for you while the prices are good. I think the test GTI car wasn't right as rough, choppy and lower MPG all seem at odds with the spec and proper reviews (not owner reviews) and with only 22lbft less torque it does seem odd to be so wheezy. But based on your reviews (which is the important part) its a no brainer providing the numbers make sense...
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As Exonian says, if you are considering the R, i would get it as it may be the right time for you while the prices are good. I think the test GTI car wasn't right as rough, choppy and lower MPG all seem at odds with the spec and proper reviews (not owner reviews) and with only 22lbft less torque it does seem odd to be so wheezy. But based on your reviews (which is the important part) its a no brainer providing the numbers make sense...
Definitely agree with the above...
Chris, go get the R, and try not to wince every time you fill it! :grin:
There's nothing so expensive when it comes to the cars as chopping it in very prematurely and losing a lot on it (usually being in negative equity if PCPing) because you wish you'd got the next one up in the first place, buy the right car and keep it longer.
At least with the R, you know there's no Golf above it (excluding the rare as rocking-horse sh!te CSS with next to nothing off it), the modest 10ps gain of the facelift is probably going to come on the back of a higher RRP and less in the way of incentives.
Car tax changes next year will see a manual R cost £500 at point of sale plus £140 a year if it's registered after the start of April 2017, vs £185 a year for as long as you have it.
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Been out in a work colleagues gti today and was 100% better than yesterday. Lovely smooth ride like the R and also 44mpg.
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Been out in a work colleagues gti today and was 100% better than yesterday. Lovely smooth ride like the R and also 44mpg.
Did the first GTI have zero miles on the clock by any chance? Transport blocks possibly left in place.
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I thought exactly the same but it was being used by the sales manager as his car so unless he's totally clueless out just not bothered maybe. It had about 2k miles on it I think certainly wasn't brand new. Ok fact the R had less miles on it.
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Car tax changes next year will see a manual R cost £500 at point of sale plus £140 a year if it's registered after the start of April 2017, vs £185 a year for as long as you have it.
So an extra £315 in the first year. Then £45 less each year after. So over 4 years an extra £180. Hardly worth worrying about.
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Car tax changes next year will see a manual R cost £500 at point of sale plus £140 a year if it's registered after the start of April 2017, vs £185 a year for as long as you have it.
So an extra £315 in the first year. Then £45 less each year after. So over 4 years an extra £180. Hardly worth worrying about.
This is Chris we're talking about. :grin:
I'm trying to encourage him, not discourage him! :tongue: It's an extra £270 if it's only kept 2 years.
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The car tax isn't the issue, it's the overall monthly and fuel payment :laugh:
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I have the gti pp and have no regrets about not getting an R, I really wasn't massively impressed with the liveliness of the throttle response on the gti but the pedal box is an easy cheap fix to this, it now feels very quick and to be honest it really would be pointless for me to have anything quicker as the gti gets up to the speed limit so quickly that I can't even use all that power.
You can probably guess that I would recommend the gti over the R but I am really just trying to fight it's corner, there are quicker cars including the R on our roads but the golf gti is a legend and I wanted to be part of that more than I wanted an R badge.
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I have the gti pp and have no regrets about not getting an R, I really wasn't massively impressed with the liveliness of the throttle response on the gti but the pedal box is an easy cheap fix to this, it now feels very quick and to be honest it really would be pointless for me to have anything quicker as the gti gets up to the speed limit so quickly that I can't even use all that power.
You can probably guess that I would recommend the gti over the R but I am really just trying to fight it's corner, there are quicker cars including the R on our roads but the golf gti is a legend and I wanted to be part of that more than I wanted an R badge.
What he said :smiley:
I know its personal preference but I also think the GTI looks better.
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GTI All the way.
The R is a lovely car but looks like a Golf "Match" to me.
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Thanks chaps. My colleague actually said yesterday will the gti potentially be worth more when all the cheap R deals cone to an end and flood the market. Seems to be less gti's on the road too where I am.
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I'm more interested to hear what a long term GTD driver thinks of the two of these compared to the GTD...
Your GTD is a manual though isn't it?
I think what you probably have found is the GTI is lighter at the front (lighter engine) and will bounce around more than you are used to, whereas the R will feel more planted by virtue of the extra 30kg(ish) over the back wheels.
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Thanks chaps. My colleague actually said yesterday will the gti potentially be worth more when all the cheap R deals cone to an end and flood the market. Seems to be less gti's on the road too where I am.
No chance of that Chris, who is going to pay more for less of a car. There's a reason why the R is more prevalent and thats because at one point it was cheaper to get your hands on the better car for less money. I doubt there will be a "flood" of Rs, it's still a relative rarity on the road. With the R there will be the demand to meet the supply in the used market, it got high praise in the press and is up there with the hot hatch competition. That hasn't happened in the new car market for the GTI and if you were faced with buying a used R for the same price as a used GTI, i'm sure most would be buying the R.
If VW belived the "rare" GTIs would be highly sought after in the used market they'd be upping their GFVs on them which would make them more enticing as a new car on lower PCP terms as a result.
You need to be asking yourself if you prefer the R to the GTI and if you do, is the extra £80pm to run one worth it to you?
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Every one has their own opinion about the R and the GTI ( forget the GTD as it's a diesel so not really comparable).
Both are great cars in their own right, with one being a fair bit more powerful than the other and with added grip. The thing is, all that power and grip is wasted on me because I don't drive my car remotely hard due to being quite sensible and protective of my clean licence.
The GTI is more than enough car for me and I never considered the R for one second even though my dealer tried to sell it to me on the day I ordered my car. He looked at me like I was a dick!
I always wanted a GTI and I'm a very proud and satisfied owner.
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Don't get me wrong all three golfs are available for each personal taste and I certainly don't want start a big argument between owners about which is best, I'm just after considered opinions from current owners. I can see the plus points in all three cars and its just down to which one I think suits my needs best. I had no intention in buying an R until i drove it, had the intention to buy a gti pp until I drove it and I already know about the gtd. I've got a decision to make and quick so as to still get the 2k deposit contribution that ends on 2nd October.
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Thanks chaps. My colleague actually said yesterday will the gti potentially be worth more when all the cheap R deals cone to an end and flood the market. Seems to be less gti's on the road too where I am.
Is your colleague a senior exec at British Car Auctions or just an internet expert who read something on Pistonheads? :whistle:
Seriously though, I've seen people post up similar things on other forums and I'm not an expert on psychology but I think people see what they want to see which would explain many things in life.
At what point was there ever a flood? A lot of registrations compared to the mk6 for many reasons but I'd hardly call something with a 6 month wait time a flood of cars that'll all hit the auctions at the same time. Being as VW Finance underwrote most of the early lease deals I'd expect a good few of them to end up back in the dealer network where VW will stage manage their release and prices.
Plus it's the top of the range model so until the things become quite old and rare in general (15 - 20 years minimum) when there's going to be a few hundred quid difference in their value at best, even taking into account whether the previous owners had done their best to wreck them then I'd wager (and I'm not a gambling person) that it would be a very strange market if the R suddenly became less "valuable" than a GTI.
Cut me open and I'd have GTI stamped right down my middle like a stick of Blackpool rock, I've been driving the things for nearly 30 years, but even I'll bow to the fact that the R offers a lot more in driver terms than a GTI.
I'd wholeheartedly agree that you see more R's around than GTI's and I'd expect the figures VW publish will agree with that but for example the nearest dealer to me had the same number of GTI's and R's on their forecourt when I last passed by a few weeks ago. That's a pretty large dealership too.
I'm more interested to hear what a long term GTD driver thinks of the two of these compared to the GTD...
Your GTD is a manual though isn't it?
I think what you probably have found is the GTI is lighter at the front (lighter engine) and will bounce around more than you are used to, whereas the R will feel more planted by virtue of the extra 30kg(ish) over the back wheels.
Having jumped from GTI to GTD to GTI then to R and various permutations thereof using both my own cars and hired cars from a colleague I do have my own observations.
Firstly I don't think the GTD is much heavier than a GTI at the front like in the good ol' days when comparing similar models. Going from my GTI PP to another GTI and also from my PP to a GTD I didn't notice any weight difference in feel to the front suspension. Possibly the GTD felt fractionally softer in the spring and damper rates but that might have been my imagination or going from 19" to 18" wheels.
The main difference you notice at first is the power delivery and gearing. Plus how quickly the GTI seems to rev compared to the GTD thanks to the gearing and torque delivery.
Going from GTI to R you immediately feel the driveline to the rear and the different suspension between models.
Ironically the R seems to understeer slightly more (masked by the traction control system) than the PP GTI which, unusually for a VW, has virtually no understeer and is amazingly sharp on a gradual bend. All three versions tend to fall over a bit when you hit a very sudden sharp turn but that's more to do with the fact they're heavy cars and have reasonably complaint suspension. Aside from that I'd say body control on all three cars was first class.
I'd like to spend more time with a GTD DSG just to try and fathom the model out a bit but that was the car I expected the most of but was least keen on during my half hour stint with it. With my friend driving it in Sport mode it accelerated astonishingly quickly at sensible speeds and it would be as quick as any other (more powerful) model on a cross country blast, but it lacked a bit of the torque thump that I enjoy from driving manual Diesels. The gearbox masked the surge of torque too much for my liking by changing up and down too much, but on the flip side I find that when driving Diesels I tend to hold back from overtaking if space and time is a bit limited as I'm wary of running out of revs or being caught in the wrong gear if something unexpected happens. With the DSG you just let the gearbox ECU worry about that and plant the pedal.
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Interesting...
I went away and checked the "Unladen weight" (the figure is right next to that of “the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?” :wink:) of the vehicles from the VW Performance Golfs brochure:
GTI: 1351kg
GTD: 1377kg
GTI PP: 1382kg
R: 1476kg
(all figures for manual gearbox)
Whilst I am surprised how light the old oil burner is by comparision, I'd say 20kg over the front wheels will make a noticeable difference and definitely the 85kg difference on the R will probably account for its settled feel as much as the AWD.
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Funny how the weights work out, I had my 3 door GTi PP on a weighing platform a couple of weeks ago... 3/4 tank of fuel, shopping, some tools and usual paraphernalia you have on a car, it came in at 1361kg.
I was quite disappointed it was such a chubster! :)
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Have emailed my sales guy so we'll see what he says. He might not even reply haha
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Have emailed my sales guy so we'll see what he says. He might not even reply haha
If it's Mick then he might not! :rolleyes:
So have you settled on one or the other (or defaulted back to GTD), or wanting multiple pricings?
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Any word from your sales guy mcmaddy?
I re-read the post from Evo about the paint changes from week 45
It says the End Of Production in week 51 so it looks like the new changes will take effect from the beginning of the year.
Which will throw a spanner in the works to anyone wanting to order a current R as its only 13 weeks till then and there is no way an R would be built in that time.
The only saving grace would be if they weren't face-lifting the R till later in the year.
I've emailed my dealer but I don't hold out much hope.
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From a paint point of view I'm looking at Reflex Silver for either so don't think it'll matter.
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I'd agree with the silver. Great colour for not showing dirt etc. I'm sort of regretting my CSG as it shows any dirt and is a b!*#$~d to keep clean. Looks nice when spotless but thats probably once a week (or month when i get bored...)
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From a paint point of view I'm looking at Reflex Silver for either so don't think it'll matter.
:laugh: I'm not talking about colour, I'm meaning ordering the actual car as it says in the bulletin its the end of production in week 51.
I read that to be they are then moving on to the facelifted model only.
I can't see them continuing with the present model in only certain colours.
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Ah sorry see what you mean :grin:
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Reflex silver is a great choice though :whistle:
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Just an update to last week's disappointment in the gti. Been to drive another one this morning and it was like night and day. Today's had same 19" Santiago's as last week and also had the same pirellis too. Ride was excellent and car felt a lot perkier too, which to me proves that last weekend's one was faulty in some way. Mpg was much better too and got 40mpg at first just getting used to it and then 34mpg on a faster stretch. I'm now thinking of ordering a gti pp with dcc, tech Pack, parking Pack and possibly high beam assist. Was also set for reflex silver but was quite taken with the pure white demo on the 19s. Gone off limestone, don't want carbon, don't want red or black which leaves silver in either reflex or Tungsten or white. Oh and need to find a good deal too. Anyone bought through drive the deal?
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Just an update to last week's disappointment in the gti. Been to drive another one this morning and it was like night and day. Today's had same 19" Santiago's as last week and also had the same pirellis too. Ride was excellent and car felt a lot perkier too, which to me proves that last weekend's one was faulty in some way. Mpg was much better too and got 40mpg at first just getting used to it and then 34mpg on a faster stretch. I'm now thinking of ordering a gti pp with dcc, tech Pack, parking Pack and possibly high beam assist. Was also set for reflex silver but was quite taken with the pure white demo on the 19s. Gone off limestone, don't want carbon, don't want red or black which leaves silver in either reflex or Tungsten or white. Oh and need to find a good deal too. Anyone bought through drive the deal?
Out of the three colours you mention, I'd go for Tungsten. I've seen a GTI in that colour in the flesh and really liked it :cool:
The red PP accents really suit it.
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Just an update to last week's disappointment in the gti. Been to drive another one this morning and it was like night and day. Today's had same 19" Santiago's as last week and also had the same pirellis too. Ride was excellent and car felt a lot perkier too, which to me proves that last weekend's one was faulty in some way. Mpg was much better too and got 40mpg at first just getting used to it and then 34mpg on a faster stretch. I'm now thinking of ordering a gti pp with dcc, tech Pack, parking Pack and possibly high beam assist. Was also set for reflex silver but was quite taken with the pure white demo on the 19s. Gone off limestone, don't want carbon, don't want red or black which leaves silver in either reflex or Tungsten or white. Oh and need to find a good deal too. Anyone bought through drive the deal?
Out of the three colours you mention, I'd go for Tungsten. I've seen a GTI in that colour in the flesh and really liked it :cool:
The red PP accents really suit it.
I still like Reflex, even after 3 years...
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Just an update to last week's disappointment in the gti. Been to drive another one this morning and it was like night and day. Today's had same 19" Santiago's as last week and also had the same pirellis too. Ride was excellent and car felt a lot perkier too, which to me proves that last weekend's one was faulty in some way. Mpg was much better too and got 40mpg at first just getting used to it and then 34mpg on a faster stretch. I'm now thinking of ordering a gti pp with dcc, tech Pack, parking Pack and possibly high beam assist. Was also set for reflex silver but was quite taken with the pure white demo on the 19s. Gone off limestone, don't want carbon, don't want red or black which leaves silver in either reflex or Tungsten or white. Oh and need to find a good deal too. Anyone bought through drive the deal?
Out of the three colours you mention, I'd go for Tungsten. I've seen a GTI in that colour in the flesh and really liked it :cool:
The red PP accents really suit it.
I still like Reflex, even after 3 years...
You're not allowed to vote for the colour you've got :wink:
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Just an update to last week's disappointment in the gti. Been to drive another one this morning and it was like night and day. Today's had same 19" Santiago's as last week and also had the same pirellis too. Ride was excellent and car felt a lot perkier too, which to me proves that last weekend's one was faulty in some way. Mpg was much better too and got 40mpg at first just getting used to it and then 34mpg on a faster stretch. I'm now thinking of ordering a gti pp with dcc, tech Pack, parking Pack and possibly high beam assist. Was also set for reflex silver but was quite taken with the pure white demo on the 19s. Gone off limestone, don't want carbon, don't want red or black which leaves silver in either reflex or Tungsten or white. Oh and need to find a good deal too. Anyone bought through drive the deal?
I have used drive the deal and have many colleagues who also have, can't rate the site highly enough. Took all the hassle out of negotiating and got a price that my local dealer wouldn't match.
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Hardest part of DTD is getting a supplying dealer to give you a fair p/x without ever having seen your Tiguan - maybe a video would help, showing every inch of the car to demonstrate the condition?
Trouble is, DTD will almost certainly not disclose the supplying dealership's identity until you have dropped a non-returnable deposit with DTD.
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Don't mess with supplying dealer tradeins, either sell it yourself privately or if its a newish car, try one of the companies who buy cars (I don't mean the obvious idiots).
I think you'll find you get a better deal with less grief.
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Golf PP GTI in Reflex Silver ordered through Drive The Deal you say? That's exactly what I would do. Did, in fact.
Five months in to ownership and very happy with the car, the colour, and the deal.
Bubba.
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My usual sales guy has replied and said thanks but no thanks. Not even any price at all. I think he's in the huff as I've chased him all week and then got an email back without even a phone call. Bit annoyed really so I'll be looking for a new sales guy.
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You got any pictures bubba?
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Mcmaddy, I'm in the exact same situation as you at the moment.
I just sold my GTD and wanting a GTI PP now. Have you heard the facelift is due to be announced next month? and have you noticed the current finance offer ends in about a week and you have to have the car delivered by the end of December to qualify for the contribution.
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Personally I'd be slow to order a new MK7 now unless the deal is exceptionally good, with the facelift / MK7.5 very imminent.
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Walts - yeah the facelift will be announced soon and the deposit contribution ends on 2nd October. I have seen the bit where it states delivery before 30th December but surely vw should have withdrawn the offer if they can't deliver a new order. It would only apply to cars built in that case and the spec I want isn't built. I'm fairly certain the 2k deposit contribution will be extended like they did on the tiguan for 2 years but you never know.
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Walts - yeah the facelift will be announced soon and the deposit contribution ends on 2nd October. I have seen the bit where it states delivery before 30th December but surely vw should have withdrawn the offer if they can't deliver a new order. It would only apply to cars built in that case and the spec I want isn't built. I'm fairly certain the 2k deposit contribution will be extended like they did on the tiguan for 2 years but you never know.
My spec needs a build to and so I'm gonna wait till October for now and run the risk.
My logic thinks the 2k will be extended, with any luck some more kit might be added and if I order a little later it'll be close to a march delivery and atleast out of winter.
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Unless I can get a deal from the sales guy today then I'll do the same. He seemed very keen to do a deal before month end.
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Unless I can get a deal from the sales guy today then I'll do the same. He seemed very keen to do a deal before month end.
My local garage will match car wow which was £500 more than DTD. Once I'd taken into account travel and time to collect, fuel on the return journey and any other expenses, it's not really all that bad.
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Unless I can get a deal from the sales guy today then I'll do the same. He seemed very keen to do a deal before month end.
Have you huffed Mick, Chris? Maybe he'll try to avoid us both in the future - my R caused him a lot of hassle when it ended up taking an eternity. I tried not to badger him, but anticipation of a car that arrives 4 months later than you expect it to, I probably pestered the life out of him and drove a very hard bargain (he was up and down the stairs to his Manager's office 4 times during the negotiations (never seen that before in the 2 previous cars I bought from him).
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Matt I don't really care how busy he's been (not a sole in the entire dealership the last two occasions I was in) a simple email or quick phone call to say yes I've got your email give me a few days and I'll see what I can do. It's as if he doesn't think I actually want to buy a car. The deal on the table yesterday is only 500 quid shy of carwow but it's 1k shy of drive the deal. Need to find out about this must be delivered before 31st December statement on the vw offers page.
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Its not like he is the only VW dealer/salesman in the country. if they don't come back to you, they don't want your business, so move on. They aren't the cheapest anyway so not sure why you bother with them.
Plenty of fish in the sea and places to buy cars cheaply, my 3 local dealers didn't get more than 20 mins of my time on price, but the dealer in Colchester wanted my business so job done...
@ Monkeyhanger your scenario reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2LLB9CGfLs you sure the canteen wasn't upstairs :wink: I love it when they walk off to speak to someone, i never believe it, but i think it happened to me last new car too...
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Unless I can get a deal from the sales guy today then I'll do the same. He seemed very keen to do a deal before month end.
Have you huffed Mick, Chris? Maybe he'll try to avoid us both in the future - my R caused him a lot of hassle when it ended up taking an eternity. I tried not to badger him, but anticipation of a car that arrives 4 months later than you expect it to, I probably pestered the life out of him and drove a very hard bargain (he was up and down the stairs to his Manager's office 4 times during the negotiations (never seen that before in the 2 previous cars I bought from him).
Does anyone actually enjoy this process anymore? I vowed the last time it happened never to go through a charade like that again. It's utter bollocks! I've bought all my cars remotely over the internet ever since - and thank god.
Good luck to you guys though :wink:
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It's taking the plunge to do it internet way. Who did you go through Hawaii??
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Unless I can get a deal from the sales guy today then I'll do the same. He seemed very keen to do a deal before month end.
Have you huffed Mick, Chris? Maybe he'll try to avoid us both in the future - my R caused him a lot of hassle when it ended up taking an eternity. I tried not to badger him, but anticipation of a car that arrives 4 months later than you expect it to, I probably pestered the life out of him and drove a very hard bargain (he was up and down the stairs to his Manager's office 4 times during the negotiations (never seen that before in the 2 previous cars I bought from him).
Does anyone actually enjoy this process anymore? I vowed the last time it happened never to go through a charade like that again. It's utter nuts! I've bought all my cars remotely over the internet ever since - and thank god.
Good luck to you guys though :wink:
He'd never done it before on the previous 2 cars I bought, or the one my Dad bought - not sure why he'd have started doing it then for my R. If he'd always done it, i'd have thought it was part of the act that many car sales people partake in, but he knew I wasn't budging on discount or p/x price. He had changed from Sunderland branch to Durham, and Durham is the posher one where it has always been harder to get discounts - I think he's got less discretion of his own these days in the Durham branch.
It was by far the best deal I had ever got out of him, and the p/x price was a lot better than many here were getting for their own chopped in GTDs. Buying remotely is always a ball-ache for the p/x (if you have one).
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Does anyone actually enjoy this process anymore? I vowed the last time it happened never to go through a charade like that again. It's utter nuts! I've bought all my cars remotely over the internet ever since - and thank god.
Good luck to you guys though :wink:
To be fair I used Carwow to save on all the haggling BS, but he still had to walk off to ask the manager for some random thing I wanted at the time. I think it was that i didn't want "true coat", wheel insurance, gap insurance, optional vent insurance, just the car at agreed price under RRP, how unusual..
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It's taking the plunge to do it internet way. Who did you go through Hawaii??
I've been luck with fantastic dealer recommendations from forum members. So haven't had to use DTD or Broadspeed for a while. I bought my current GTI from James at Medway. Lovely guy. And I'm buying my next car, a Beemer, from another forum recommendation. So I've benn lucky. Both great sales guys, amazing discounts and bought remotely. No shop floor shenanigans.
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Does anyone actually enjoy this process anymore? I vowed the last time it happened never to go through a charade like that again. It's utter nuts! I've bought all my cars remotely over the internet ever since - and thank god.
Good luck to you guys though :wink:
To be fair I used Carwow to save on all the haggling BS, but he still had to walk off to ask the manager for some random thing I wanted at the time. I think it was that i didn't want "true coat", wheel insurance, gap insurance, optional vent insurance, just the car at agreed price under RRP, how unusual..
All those things are virtually pure profit for the dealer so it increases their take substantially. They get huffy when you don't want them :grin: Mind you had a salesman yesterday pretty much tell me to my face that I'd wasted two hours of his time as I didn't think the deal was good enough. Cost him a sale now and forever.
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Does anyone actually enjoy this process anymore? I vowed the last time it happened never to go through a charade like that again. It's utter nuts! I've bought all my cars remotely over the internet ever since - and thank god.
Good luck to you guys though :wink:
To be fair I used Carwow to save on all the haggling BS, but he still had to walk off to ask the manager for some random thing I wanted at the time. I think it was that i didn't want "true coat", wheel insurance, gap insurance, optional vent insurance, just the car at agreed price under RRP, how unusual..
All those things are virtually pure profit for the dealer so it increases their take substantially. They get huffy when you don't want them :grin: Mind you had a salesman yesterday pretty much tell me to my face that I'd wasted two hours of his time as I didn't think the deal was good enough. Cost him a sale now and forever.
Not only for the dealer, but specifically for the car salesperson - there is a lot of commission in those non-factory items. Me and Chris (McMaddy) always used to get "free" GAP insurance because if it was included in the deal, the salesperson personally gets about 25% of the RRP. I screwed the margins down on the R that much according to my usual Salesman that there was nothing left to give me "free" GAP. He said he'd have loved to give me the GAP as he'd have had £75 commission in his pocket from it, as it was he said he made only £56 selling me my R
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I think he's full of crap matt to be honest and this week's non contact has just cemented that for me. Young sales lad at Silverlink was brilliant last week and if the user R or gti had been what I'd wanted he would of got my money. Same with yesterday at Lookers in Northallerton, young lad very pleasant seemed an all round nice fella. I'm not expecting to be friends with a salesman I buy a car off but I think having a decent relationship helps. Considering I've bought two brand new cars from the same guy you would have thought he would at least had the decency to ring back.
His loss is another dealers gain and I might not even get my car serviced with them again.
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^ I wouldn't go that far on the servicing Chris - to me Durham Pulman were crap with the ACC and other early issues I had with my R, The Sunderland branch were a lot better.
But then again, it was the Sunderland branch that left the transport pucks in on my GTD. :shocked:
On the other hand, Lookers Audi have recently damaged the wife's A1 (they denied doing it) in fitting a replacement door seal (and made a poor job of it twice), Benfield Silverlink put multiple chips on the paint of my GTD's front wing when it was in for its service and crudely splodged touch up pen paint onto the chips, and Benfield Scotswood Road saw my new GTD in for new shocks and then go missing when I was told to pick it up, only to find when it turned up later that it had been on a 28 mile joyride on someone's lunch break that yielded 20mpg - they must have thrashed the living daylights out of it. And then there's the catastrophically poor repair they did on my MK5 Golf in 2007.
On that score, Sunderland Pulman were the least sh!te (it was a mistake other people had happen to theirs all around the country).
When buying, don't make it too personal, go where the deal is best - when there's money at stake and the salesman isn't your best mate, buy at the cheapest place and get services/warranty work done where they'll waste the least amount of your time getting the job done right and will look after your car while doing it.
Maybe they've changed their ways on the selling front but Benfield (now Lookers) always used to offer crap p/x and lower discounts vs Pulman, with the Scotswood Road branch being open to bigger discounts than Silverlink.
You know what the brokers are offering, your "cost to change" will hinge on you getting the best p/x price possible.
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Carwow have put me in touch with a vw dealer in York and Lookers at Northallerton seen to be good at the moment. Will wait and see though.
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Carwow have put me in touch with a vw dealer in York and Lookers at Northallerton seen to be good at the moment. Will wait and see though.
Chris, have you got an acceptable figure in mind for your p/x?
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Acceptable or achievable :grin: :grin: I know what it's worth but getting that's a different ball game.
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Acceptable or achievable :grin: :grin: I know what it's worth but getting that's a different ball game.
Acceptable it is - you don't get a top end p/x and a top level of discount, as long as the cost to change is reasonable. I'm used to seeing a local dealership get within £500 of the broker price on the new one and giving at least that much more in p/x than the broker dealership.