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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: miniman on 05 July 2016, 07:57
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Waiting at traffic lights, i have the auto hold button pressed, so i dont have to keep my foot on the brake pedal, engine is now off stop/start.
After a few mins the engine restarts and the car jumps forward because i dont have my foot on the brake pedal, good job i left a suitable gap from the car in front.
Anyone else experienced this happening?
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Why would you press the autohold button? If you come to a stop and the green symbol comes up on the dash then it is already on, hence "auto" hold. Seems to me like you're switching autohold off and when battery state dictates the car should kick back into life, there's nothing to hold it.
Do you have to keep your foot on the brake in a DSG (presuming yours is DSG) to stop it eanting to creep forward when the car restarts without you pressing the throttle? I'd have thought the DSG box would sit in neutral with stop-start activated until you prod the accelerator.
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The car should not jump forward at all in that scenario.
Not sure if the OP means they always have autohold on or not but either way, with autohold engaged and stop/start activated, when coming to a stop at lights, autohold engages the brake (take foot off brake), stop/start cuts the engine, the car does not move until you press the throttle which realeases the brake and restarts the engine. Should be no jumping forward.
So all I can think is that autohold is not engaged properly and stop/start may be restarting the engine prior to throttle being pressed, which it can if you wiggle the steering or tickle the brake lightly, and so the car is then moving fowards unexpectedly?
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Yes, with DSG the car will remain stopped, in gear, with autohold engaged (green light on dash), until you press the accelerator. Not tried the scenario described, but feel sure that it shouldn't happen, as the OP experienced it. As monkeyhanger states, when and why have you pressed the Autohold switch?
Autohold is engaged when the Autohold switch is illuminated. To turn it OFF, press the switch until the light goes out. With Autohold engaged, when you come to a braked stop, Autohold will keep the brake on and you will see a green light in the dash. At this point you can take your foot off the brake and the car will remain stationary, with the brake on, until you press the accelerator. As far as I know, the engine stopping and starting, due to stop/start operating, should not affect this. I will attempt to repeat your experience, but I am pretty confident that the system works from a switch on the accelerator, not just engine speed.
I have made a concious decision, since getting my DSG car, to keep my foot on the footbrake, in this situation, as you only have to touch the accelerator for the car to move off, which, in a tight queue, could be disaster.
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On a similar note, a work colleague of mine has got a golf while their car is being repaired.
I happened to ask how they were getting on with it and they said terrible, it has no handbrake and I can't work out the buttons.
When it was coming to the biting point they were releasing the handbrake button!
What a nightmare situation that must be if you don't know how it all works together.
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In my experience, auto hold works brilliantly with Golf.
I've had no issues whatsoever :smiley:
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It works just perfectly, ok, I have a manual but it should work even better with DSG.
Maybe get someone locally to show you, maybe your dealer.
If its doing what you say, either you are doing something wrong or there is something wrong with your car...
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In the 4 years ive had a DSG with autohold ive not had any problems, fantastic bit of kit
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same here, no issues whatsoever.
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I've never he a problem in 3 years of ownership of DSG golfs With auto hold
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Definitely can't happen on a manual if you've put it in neutral while waiting, but in the OPs situation I would have expected the DSG box to be sat in neutral or with its clutches disengaged until you touch the accelerator. Maybe OPs feet have beushed the accelerator pedal unintentionally?
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As much as I'm not generally in favour of gadgets, I must say the auto hold has been excellent. Took to it very quickly and have had no problems at all. I hope the OP sorts their problem out and gets the full benefit soon. As for the auto lights and wipers, why do they bother? Rubbish! How on earth they think we can have driverless cars is beyond me!
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the last time pressed auto hold was week it was delivered 32 months ago
In combination with the DSG the best thing ever, and for me personally never had seconds issue with it,
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@OP: PICNIC..... problem in chair not in computer.
You do not need to push the auto hold button, if it's on it's on and will hold the car as long as the green (P) symbol in the dash is lit.
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I've moved from manual to a DSG Golf and have no problems. :)
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I have a manual GTI PP and no problem with auto hold either. Infact it has been left on continuously since I bought my car in 2013, one of the best features on the car is the Auto Hold button.
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Thanks for the replies, by chance i found that standard stop/start i had to keep foot on brake pedal, after activating the auto hold button near 'handbrake' i found i know longer had to keep my foot on the brake pedal, unaware that it times out and shoots forward.
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It doesn't time out. If you sit for a long period after braking it will put the handbrake on itself.
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Yeah I love auto hold, never comes off automatically for me. It won't go on if you haven't got your seatbelt on though.
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Yeah I love auto hold, never comes off automatically for me. It won't go on if you haven't got your seatbelt on though.
On later cars, it does work without seat belt on. For me auto hold is one of the very best convenience features on this car, and works seamlessly with DSG. I always have it activated.
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Auto hold is one of the many brilliant features, I've had my manual pp gti for 6 weeks and don't think I could imagine ever pulling up a manual hand brake ever again, hope the op gets it sorted!!!
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Thanks for the replies, by chance i found that standard stop/start i had to keep foot on brake pedal, after activating the auto hold button near 'handbrake' i found i know longer had to keep my foot on the brake pedal, unaware that it3 times out and shoots forward.
I'm convinced that when you say you are activating it, you are actually turning the auto hold off. The clue is in the name, it doesn't need activating. When you come to a stop do you get the green icon light in the bit of the dash between the dials? If so then autohold is on and shouldn'y let go until you touch the accelerator (the car tgen knows you intend to move off), whether stop-start is active or not. When you "activate" auto hold does the green icon disappear? If so then you have switched it off.
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Here's a VW video explaining it
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/parking-and-manoeuvring/auto-hold
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Here's a VW video explaining it
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/parking-and-manoeuvring/auto-hold
I am talking about the auto hold flap next to the 'handbrake' flap, not the foot over brake pedal
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If the orange light is on the auto hold button, then its turned on, if not press it once until it lights up, then you never have to touch anything ever again ! you don't have to touch the handbrake button, just drive and enjoy.
When you brake and come to a halt, the handbrake will come on automatically, when you want to drive off, just touch the accelerator, and away you go, you never have to think about using the handbrake.
I appreciate it goes against everything you will have learnt as a learner driver, but once you get used to it, it's amazing, though it does cause problems when you get into a car with a manual handbrake !
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Here's a VW video explaining it
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/parking-and-manoeuvring/auto-hold
I am talking about the auto hold flap next to the 'handbrake' flap, not the foot over brake pedal
I think you might be confused with the operation of the system. Once it's switched on, it's like fit and forget, you don't need to touch the button again. Press the brake pedal hard enough when you've stopped to activate the auto hold (green P as others have mentioned) Removed foot from pedal. Pull away as normal, system looks after everything.
I'm not sure if you're unnecessarily leaving your foot on the brake pedal or touching the auto hold button....
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If the orange light is on the auto hold button, then its turned on, if not press it once until it lights up, then you never have to touch anything ever again ! you don't have to touch the handbrake button, just drive and enjoy.
When you brake and come to a halt, the handbrake will come on automatically, when you want to drive off, just touch the accelerator, and away you go, you never have to think about using the handbrake.
I appreciate it goes against everything you will have learnt as a learner driver, but once you get used to it, it's amazing, though it does cause problems when you get into a car with a manual handbrake !
Not quite right. When you brake and come to a halt, the pressure in the braking system is maintained in the calipers by the autohold feature. If you continue being stationary for a certain length of time, the parking brake will then engage automatically and take over the job.
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Here's a VW video explaining it
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/parking-and-manoeuvring/auto-hold
I am talking about the auto hold flap next to the 'handbrake' flap, not the foot over brake pedal
You are talking about both them as they are linked.
Why don't you make sure the light is on on the Auto Hold, drive to a local hill, come to a complete stop with plenty of pressure on the brake, take your foot off the brake and see what happens.
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I think us the converted maybe have to accept that the autohold system is not intuitive to all and, in fact, is counter intuitive to some. What you really need, miniman, is half an hour in the car with someone who is familiar with Autohold, and can demonstrate it's proper use and benefits. Trust us, this feature is no more dangerous than any other part of the car and very useful, when you have confidence in it. Worth the effort of getting the knowledge! :smiley:
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I think us the converted maybe have to accept that the autohold system is not intuitive to all and, in fact, is counter intuitive to some. What you really need, miniman, is half an hour in the car with someone who is familiar with Autohold, and can demonstrate it's proper use and benefits. Trust us, this feature is no more dangerous than any other part of the car and very useful, when you have confidence in it. Worth the effort of getting the knowledge! :smiley:
I think you are spot on Talk-torque. It's easy for those that find autohold very intuitive, to assume that everyone will get along with the autohold system instantly but I'm sure that's not the case for all, and no shame in that. Sometimes it takes a while to get to grips with these new things and then suddenly it clicks! A short stint in a car with someone famaliar with it would be hugely beneficial to the OP I would imagine.
I must say I was dreading this system before I got my car, but it has turned out to be one of the best features and I gelled with it almost instantly. When I had a courtesy car the other day with a normal handbrake and no autohold I missed it terribly.
OP - if you can get to grips with it, I'm sure you will find it a brilliant feature.
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^ "start the car manually" message is an indicator that the stop-start system has cocked up. The stop-start has knocked the engine off but seems unable to restart it. Happened with my R about the time I had a few stop-start errors come up and my Turbo was playing up (it was replaced).