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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: p3asa on 01 July 2016, 23:48
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So my R itch is getting stronger but I also fancy the change to DSG.
I've had a couple of courtesy cars that were autos and I quite liked the way they drove so I'm looking to hire a Golf R DSG for a few days so I can see how I get on with it but I can't find any in the country.
I thought I found the perfect one in Glasgow (https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-motoring-services/vw-golf-r-for-hire-car-luxury-prestige-/1150092171)but it looks like an old advert as I've had no reply.
I found one on the Avis site http://www.avisprestige.com/vw-golf-r-i-69.php but when you actually go to select it its not available in the drop down list.
They do though have an S3 S-Tronic for hire in Glasgow which would suit me but would I be wasting my time or is the Audi box a decent comparison?
Does anyone know anywhere that hires a DSG R preferably in Glasgow or at least Scotland?
Edit: I see the Avis R is the Mk6 that's why its probably no longer available.
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Have you tried asking a dealer for an extended test drive?
That's what I have done and got a car for the weekend to test drive DSG properly.
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Just be brave like I did, bought one having never driven a DSG equipped car.
Can honestly say it has made the car for me, maybe it's the novelty factor but its the part I like the most about the car :cool: :cool:
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I had it first time in my 2nd Scirocco just to make it different. I loved it and thought that would be me converted for good. When I came to change I requested a test drive in a DSG Mk7 GTi and I hated it. It seemed slow and dim witted to change gear and never seemed to know which gear it should be in. I think part of it was was the sluggish interference from the stop/start and electronic parking brake which completely blunted any attempt to to pull away quickly.....Manual it was then for my GTi PP and for me personally I think it suited what a proper GTi should be...
Skip to now and I am back with a DSG R and wouldn't have it any other way. All the gremlins that I hated so much have been sorted and I love the Jeckyl and Hyde sides to this car. Easy and relaxed one minute but press the "Idiot" button and it's a completely different car that snaps through gear changes in the blink of an eye and flick the lever and use the paddles and you have complete control too....What's not to like !!
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Thanks. I've bought my last 3 cars without test driving them but just concerned I might not get on with the DSG especially since as JB highlighted, it suits certain cars.
I had an A3 S-Tronic quattro for 2 days last year when my wifes A1 was in for warranty work and really liked it. I'm not sure though if it was just the novelty factor.
I think I've burnt my bridges with my local Arnold Clark dealers :grin: Long story but I'd rather not give them the time of day and I reckon they feel the same about me :laugh:
Can't believe nobody has an R for hire though. Sought after car and all that :smiley:
Raffe where are the pictures of your silver R? It looks lovely.
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DSG and Golf R are made for each other. :cool:
Go on Stevie, you know it makes sense. :evil:
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So my R itch is getting stronger but I also fancy the change to DSG.
I've had a couple of courtesy cars that were autos and I quite liked the way they drove so I'm looking to hire a Golf R DSG for a few days so I can see how I get on with it but I can't find any in the country.
I thought I found the perfect one in Glasgow (https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-motoring-services/vw-golf-r-for-hire-car-luxury-prestige-/1150092171)but it looks like an old advert as I've had no reply.
I found one on the Avis site http://www.avisprestige.com/vw-golf-r-i-69.php but when you actually go to select it its not available in the drop down list.
They do though have an S3 S-Tronic for hire in Glasgow which would suit me but would I be wasting my time or is the Audi box a decent comparison?
Does anyone know anywhere that hires a DSG R preferably in Glasgow or at least Scotland?
Edit: I see the Avis R is the Mk6 that's why its probably no longer available.
After some behind the scenes work I've got a man on the case Steve.
It's a bit of a long shot but he's seeing what he can do.
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Have you tried Gti World over in Edinburgh? They seem pretty helpful.
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So my R itch is getting stronger but I also fancy the change to DSG.
I've had a couple of courtesy cars that were autos and I quite liked the way they drove so I'm looking to hire a Golf R DSG for a few days so I can see how I get on with it but I can't find any in the country.
I thought I found the perfect one in Glasgow (https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-motoring-services/vw-golf-r-for-hire-car-luxury-prestige-/1150092171)but it looks like an old advert as I've had no reply.
I found one on the Avis site http://www.avisprestige.com/vw-golf-r-i-69.php but when you actually go to select it its not available in the drop down list.
They do though have an S3 S-Tronic for hire in Glasgow which would suit me but would I be wasting my time or is the Audi box a decent comparison?
Does anyone know anywhere that hires a DSG R preferably in Glasgow or at least Scotland?
Edit: I see the Avis R is the Mk6 that's why its probably no longer available.
After some behind the scenes work I've got a man on the case Steve.
It's a bit of a long shot but he's seeing what he can do.
Update to that.
The nearest hire one is a Lapiz Blue manual in Preston but they do have depots in Scotland so I'm sure they can get one for you.
The R's they currently have on hire fleet will be sold off soon.
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Update to that.
The nearest hire one is a Lapiz Blue manual in Preston but they do have depots in Scotland so I'm sure they can get one for you.
The R's they currently have on hire fleet will be sold off soon.
That sounds great Andy. Much appreciated.
I know I do Bec and I should just bite the bullet. I checked on my VAG finance yesterday and I owe more or less what the car is worth in a trade in or on WBAC so no negative equity. Although I'm only into 2 years of a 4 year agreement it might be the ideal time :shocked: I reckon if I continue with the finance the car might depreciate more than what I'm paying off.
@ GlasgowEd no I've not tried them. I just think if I took an extended test drive (which I doubt I'd get) with a company I'd feel under obligation to them.
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At what point can you just hand the car back Steve?
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I'm not sure. It's on a PCP
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Wife convinced me to switch to the DSG and I was very reluctant but thought give it a go and then very likely return to manual next time around.
So definitely in the manual is best camp from driving automatics in America
The thinking is now completely reversed there is no way can go back to a manual, the DSG box is an amazing piece of tech (light years away from autos drove in US) where you can effortlessly move around in comfort/normal and with flick of DSG Lever your gearing move to Sport (Roundabout maybe where need decent getaway)
You can also as easily move to manual and dictate the changes, so if like to be in control you not lost that ability either.
All these actions are done in split seconds.
This is my assessment based on a GTD where think the DSG and auto hold make for a superlative combination and soon to be my R experience :cool:
Just a thought but if its more about the DSG then the GTD and GTI as hire will give you much the same experience of the tech though obviously see if want an R it would be good to try the total package.
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That's not a bad shout mjh although I would rather test out the full package of the R but could settle for a GTI / GTD DSG as second best. However I've not even come across them in my travels of hire cars.
PS Andy your inbox is full
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D'oh!
Space cleared
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They do though have an S3 S-Tronic for hire in Glasgow which would suit me but would I be wasting my time or is the Audi box a decent comparison?
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I was in exactly the same situation with an 'R' scratch to itch, ended up renting the S3 via Avis Prestige @ Manchester airport for 24 hours as it was the nearest to an 'R' I could get a real drive in etc and was £95 well spent I thought :smiley:
Audi S-Tronic box is exactly the same unit as the Golf dsg so is a perfect comparison, although the plan backfired somewhat as after 24 hours and 320 miles around North Wales I was completely sold and bought an S3 instead! :grin:
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They do though have an S3 S-Tronic for hire in Glasgow which would suit me but would I be wasting my time or is the Audi box a decent comparison?
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I was in exactly the same situation with an 'R' scratch to itch, ended up renting the S3 via Avis Prestige @ Manchester airport for 24 hours as it was the nearest to an 'R' I could get a real drive in etc and was £95 well spent I thought :smiley:
Audi S-Tronic box is exactly the same unit as the Golf dsg so is a perfect comparison, although the plan backfired somewhat as after 24 hours and 320 miles around North Wales I was completely sold and bought an S3 instead! :grin:
Haha brilliant :grin: :grin:
No regrets?
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They do though have an S3 S-Tronic for hire in Glasgow which would suit me but would I be wasting my time or is the Audi box a decent comparison?
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I was in exactly the same situation with an 'R' scratch to itch, ended up renting the S3 via Avis Prestige @ Manchester airport for 24 hours as it was the nearest to an 'R' I could get a real drive in etc and was £95 well spent I thought :smiley:
Audi S-Tronic box is exactly the same unit as the Golf dsg so is a perfect comparison, although the plan backfired somewhat as after 24 hours and 320 miles around North Wales I was completely sold and bought an S3 instead! :grin:
Haha brilliant :grin: :grin:
No regrets?
None at all so far :smiley:
S3 is a lovely car and quite a step up from my ed35, and I'm confident the mk7 R is equally as good :smiley:
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I'm not sure. It's on a PCP
You can do a voluntary termination when you've paid 50% of the agreed payments/half the outstanding finance amount. It will be subject to the more thorough inspection when it is collected but if you look after your car then it's no problem. There's a PDF out there with the ins and outs - sorry can't remember the code of conduct/details.
More details here about the process http://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/car-finance-voluntary-termination-pcp-hp/
The article says the finance and manufacturers hate it but when I did it with a BMW that tanked in value compared to outstanding finance it wasn't a problem at all.
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I'm not sure. It's on a PCP
You can do a voluntary termination when you've paid 50% of the agreed payments/half the outstanding finance amount. It will be subject to the more thorough inspection when it is collected but if you look after your car then it's no problem. There's a PDF out there with the ins and outs - sorry can't remember the code of conduct/details.
More details here about the process http://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/car-finance-voluntary-termination-pcp-hp/
The article says the finance and manufacturers hate it but when I did it with a BMW that tanked in value compared to outstanding finance it wasn't a problem at all.
Half the agreed payments is not correct, half the total amount payable under the deal is. If you Buy a £28k car and total amount payable is £32k including all your monthly payments, the GFV, the interest, the fees etc, you can terminate after you've paid half of your £32k, not half of your 36 monthly payments. With Performance Golfs, you may not reach that halfway point until you're at pretty much the end of the PCP term, due to decent GFVs.
On the VW website finance calculator, total amount paid on a basic 3 door manual GTI is £30275.45, you'd have to pay up half of that (£15137.73). With the suggested deposit of £2749.50, and a monthly payment of £373.63, you'll be into your 34th monthly payment of 35 before you can hand it back. Best you can hope for then is that if you are looking to find yourself with no equity at point of PCP completion, you'd be able to walk away 1 month early.
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Half the payments or half the term is something you can do on a normal HP finance deal not a PCP as Monkeyhanger has said.
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You can do it on PCP it's part of the financial regulations - it's just not talked about as they don't like you doing it. It should be in the contract, it certainly is in BMW Finance contract. We did it on a PCP deal, terminated after just over two years and paid the 500 quid to take us to having paid half of what we owed. Remember it's the amount you financed, not the total value of the car.
In our case there was absolutely no point continuing to the end of the PCP as dealers were already offering nearly 3 grand less than the final value, and to part exchange would have made the next car seriously expensive.
No change to credit rating or anything else despite what many say and also walked straight to VW to PCP a Golf :cool:
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Half the payments or half the term is something you can do on a normal HP finance deal not a PCP as Monkeyhanger has said.
Read the link I posted, your right to do this under a PCP deal is covered in the Consumer Credit Act 1974 Section 99 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1974/39/section/99
Whether or not you get to take advantage of it (or need to) will depend on your specific deal and the amount you have financed.
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You are financing the whole car on a PCP, the GFV is effectively a final payment you can opt out of but it's value still forms part of your financial agreement of which you must've paid half. On a PCP deal you will see the "total amount payable" figure includes it and you pay interest on the whole balance, which is why VW finance is so expensive - high GFV = lots of interest as you'll always owe a fair chunk of the car.
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You are financing the whole car on a PCP, the GFV is effectively a final payment you can opt out of but it's value still forms part of your financial agreement of which you must've paid half. On a PCP deal you will see the "total amount payable" figure includes it and you pay interest on the whole balance, which is why VW finance is so expensive - high GFV = lots of interest as you'll always owe a fair chunk of the car.
I understand all of that. The deal we had was a 4 year PCP, after just over 2 years we needed to swap the car for practicality reasons. We asked what we owed, asked what the car was worth. The difference was -£3k (a value less than the GFV would have been at 4 years - no equity come PCP end clearly). Selling privately was only getting us to costing £500 to get rid. Selling privately is a ball ache however.
We were £500 quid away from having paid half of the owed amount. A no brainer, £500 or £3000....The car went back. Easy.
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You are financing the whole car on a PCP, the GFV is effectively a final payment you can opt out of but it's value still forms part of your financial agreement of which you must've paid half. On a PCP deal you will see the "total amount payable" figure includes it and you pay interest on the whole balance, which is why VW finance is so expensive - high GFV = lots of interest as you'll always owe a fair chunk of the car.
I understand all of that. The deal we had was a 4 year PCP, after just over 2 years we needed to swap the car for practicality reasons. We asked what we owed, asked what the car was worth. The difference was -£3k (a value less than the GFV would have been at 4 years - no equity come PCP end clearly). Selling privately was only getting us to costing £500 to get rid. Selling privately is a ball ache however.
We were £500 quid away from having paid half of the owed amount. A no brainer, £500 or £3000....The car went back. Easy.
I'm presuming your ability to get out at just after 2 years (with half of the total car finance cost paid for) was a combination of a hefty deposit/BMW contribution considered as deposit/discount considered as deposit and (relative to a German marque) poor BMW residuals (which result in you paying a sizeable amount off the balance each month).
I'd be tempted by some of the new BMWs out there, but the sh!tty residuals since they went fleet heavy puts me right off (makes them an ok second hand buy).
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You are financing the whole car on a PCP, the GFV is effectively a final payment you can opt out of but it's value still forms part of your financial agreement of which you must've paid half. On a PCP deal you will see the "total amount payable" figure includes it and you pay interest on the whole balance, which is why VW finance is so expensive - high GFV = lots of interest as you'll always owe a fair chunk of the car.
I understand all of that. The deal we had was a 4 year PCP, after just over 2 years we needed to swap the car for practicality reasons. We asked what we owed, asked what the car was worth. The difference was -£3k (a value less than the GFV would have been at 4 years - no equity come PCP end clearly). Selling privately was only getting us to costing £500 to get rid. Selling privately is a ball ache however.
We were £500 quid away from having paid half of the owed amount. A no brainer, £500 or £3000....The car went back. Easy.
I'm presuming your ability to get out at just after 2 years (with half of the total car finance cost paid for) was a combination of a hefty deposit/BMW contribution considered as deposit/discount considered as deposit and (relative to a German marque) poor BMW residuals (which result in you paying a sizeable amount off the balance each month).
I'd be tempted by some of the new BMWs out there, but the sh!tty residuals since they went fleet heavy puts me right off (makes them an ok second hand buy).
Yeah that's pretty much it. I was hoping the Golf would carry at least a bit of equity at the end but for a number of reasons that looks less likely, however there's no desire to move it on early. :smiley:
The situation with BMW now does make it a difficult one to consider. Anyone you ask reckons on you needing 20-25% discount to make it a decent deal so likelihood of visiting the dealer is slim.
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Thankfully I don't intend on just handing my car back and walking away.
Its at a value where it roughly equals what is owed on it.
I had a colleague at work many years ago so things might have changed, that handed a car back as he was over half way through paying the finance. He followed everything correctly that was in his T&C's and they managed to black list him. He had a terrible time getting it sorted. So that route is definitely out.
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Thankfully I don't intend on just handing my car back and walking away.
Its at a value where it roughly equals what is owed on it.
I had a colleague at work many years ago so things might have changed, that handed a car back as he was over half way through paying the finance. He followed everything correctly that was in his T&C's and they managed to black list him. He had a terrible time getting it sorted. So that route is definitely out.
They legally cannot black list you or otherwise negatively affect your credit rating. It is added to your credit file as per any other credit that is in progress/settled/terminated.
It may affect your ability to get finance on a car from the same company in the short term, but will not and cannot affect finance on any other item like mortgages or whatever.
BMW were rumoured to be difficult if you handed back and wanted another car on finance but I saw no evidence of this, It made no difference to us either in actual credit rating or in having the full choice of cars and finance companies.
I suspect if other items on a persons credit file point to being a risk that adding a termination is going to make vehicle finance tough but the termination is not the issue there it's the crap credit rating in the first place.