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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Optimus prime on 19 June 2016, 12:19
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So having sold my GTD last month and returned to BMW. I have only recently been able to compare MPG with brim to brim calculations. To my amazement my BMW 335D xdrive returns almost the same mpg as the GTD over the same 300 mile round trip (46 mpg). Considering the BMW is 313bhp with a heavier chassis and permanent 4 wheel drive it proves that the GTD is not all it is cracked up to be. In addition the BM has a 0-60 time of 4.8 secs. So anyone considering a change to a 4 wheel drive saloon with amazing performance and economy I would suggest a test drive.
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I just moved from a GTD to an R, and I cannot say a bad word about the GTD.
In terms of a hot (ish) hatch it had it all, bearing in mind there is always something better, faster and efficient it was a very rounded car.
I think the BMW salons are a different class and they look very dated too imho, particularly the 1 and 3 series.
Nice car, faster, more efficient but I for one am happy with the performance golfs .... For now.
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It's probably £10,000 more expensive than a GTD though, so that rules that one out :smiley:
I meant to quote the OP but clicked reply instead :embarrassed:
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So having sold my GTD last month and returned to BMW. I have only recently been able to compare MPG with brim to brim calculations. To my amazement my BMW 335D xdrive returns almost the same mpg as the GTD over the same 300 mile round trip (46 mpg). Considering the BMW is 313bhp with a heavier chassis and permanent 4 wheel drive it proves that the GTD is not all it is cracked up to be. In addition the BM has a 0-60 time of 4.8 secs. So anyone considering a change to a 4 wheel drive saloon with amazing performance and economy I would suggest a test drive.
Yes they are quick but how much was it? Did you spec it up? For a car the size of the 3 series I'd rather go with smaller Golf R and even with the obvious spec upgrades I would still have several ££££'s to spen on the extra cost of fuel, and have the sound.
Edit: Dam I need to type faster :rolleyes:
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Just thinking about the wow factor also I don't think I've ever walked up to a 3 series and said 'wow' they kind of sit with the Laguna's or whatever they call them now, a bit bland.
At least the Golf always had and still has that 'I want one' aspirational feeling right from the MK1 GTI.
Even with the GTD people would often comment 'nice car' as it looks pretty damn good and drives near the GTI with better efficiency, albeit not as good as the aforementioned BMW.
I've no doubt the BMW is good, just not my cup of tea.
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I wonder how the 330/335d compares on fuel economy with a 125d.
A friend of mine is running a 125d as a company car at the moment and says it pulls like a train.
Being as the 125d is more comparable to a GTD DSG (the latter with a remap!) in performance and size, and is a four cylinder motor compared to the lovely 6 cylinder in the 3 series.
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The BMW is a quick barge, quick in a straight line at least but sitting pretty high on its springs. As a motorway miler i'd say the BMW might be the better option, but you'll have more fun in an R if/when you want to fling it about a bit. They're 2 completely different cars, albeit with similar outputs.
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The BMW is a quick barge, quick in a straight line at least but sitting pretty high on its springs. As a motorway miler i'd say the BMW might be the better option, but you'll have more fun in an R if/when you want to fling it about a bit. They're 2 completely different cars, albeit with similar outputs.
Yes I agree but being xdrive I have total 4 wheel drive flexibility, it also has sports damper control. The 4 wheel drive is a 60/40 split in normal running but shifts power to which ever wheels that needs extra almost instantly. Coupled with the 8 speed sports transmission & twin turbo's the power delivery in sport + mode is unbelievable. 4 Pot bembo's on the front make it stop just as quick
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^ Auto only is the biggest reason i'd really not want one - how well equipped is the 335d as standard?
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The BMW is a quick barge, quick in a straight line at least but sitting pretty high on its springs. As a motorway miler i'd say the BMW might be the better option, but you'll have more fun in an R if/when you want to fling it about a bit. They're 2 completely different cars, albeit with similar outputs.
Yes I agree but being xdrive I have total 4 wheel drive flexibility, it also has sports damper control. The 4 wheel drive is a 60/40 split in normal running but shifts power to which ever wheels that needs extra almost instantly. Coupled with the 8 speed sports transmission & twin turbo's the power delivery in sport + mode is unbelievable. 4 Pot bembo's on the front make it stop just as quick
I like or should I say liked the three series, I had an e46 first then two e90 and last the f30 the current 3 series. I liked the e46 and e90 but I am no fan of the f30 because it became so big and lost so much of its handling characteristic.
How do you find the xdrive ? The reason I ask is my neighbour had a test drive (ex driving instructor) and said he felt the skittish , he then spoke to his mate a driver training instructor who told him the police had needed extra training to drive the bmw xdrive as it had cought some of their drives out...not handling as expected.
I would say that the build quality and final finish of the bmw's is a step up though from the golf so horses for courses.
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I find the handling to be excellent just like being on rails, no problems whatsoever even at speed. I was unaware the Police has gone for the xdrive option? Certainly not seen any in use yet in Essex, same goes for 335d most Police cars seem to be 330d. I can understand the additional training if you have been trained to handle RWD at speed etc as the characteristic are very different. The grip stays constant where with RWD at speed there is a point where it will try and let go. Personally very happy having had 535d's in the past this is certainly a good step up from a handling point & over 40mpg is a bonus.
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46mpg isn't particularly good for a GTD over a 300 mile trip in the summer.
I'd have expect well over 50 if you were on the motorway for most of that.
Is the BMW your own car or a company one?
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46mpg isn't particularly good for a GTD over a 300 mile trip in the summer.
I'd have expect well over 50 if you were on the motorway for most of that.
Is the BMW your own car or a company one?
Probably dsg, but huge amount of variables. I'd expect mine to do 58 plus doing 300 miles now.
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46mpg isn't particularly good for a GTD over a 300 mile trip in the summer.
I'd have expect well over 50 if you were on the motorway for most of that.
Is the BMW your own car or a company one?
46mpg on a 300 mile trip in the Summer is absolutely sh!te unless maintaining 95mph the whole way. My GTD (Manual) achieved 58mpg average from Newcastle to Leeds and back (208 miles) in the height of Summer, with the aircon on 17C (ambient temp was about 26C) maintaining 80-85mph (with the exception of about 15 miles of 50mph road covered by SPECs camera, religiously doing 50mph), with a passenger.
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Dsg running in normal mode steady 80/85. It never returned over 50mpg during my whole ownership.
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46mpg isn't particularly good for a GTD over a 300 mile trip in the summer.
I'd have expect well over 50 if you were on the motorway for most of that.
Is the BMW your own car or a company one?
46mpg on a 300 mile trip in the Summer is absolutely sh!te unless maintaining 95mph the whole way. My GTD (Manual) achieved 58mpg average from Newcastle to Leeds and back (208 miles) in the height of Summer, with the aircon on 17C (ambient temp was about 26C) maintaining 80-85mph (with the exception of about 15 miles of 50mph road covered by SPECs camera, religiously doing 50mph), with a passenger.
Depends if there's a lot of hills on the motorway. Newcastle to leeds pretty flat if I remember correctly. Still I would still expect to get over 50mpg. I got somewhere between 50 and 55 on my holiday to north wales (from lanarkshire) which included a detour via sheffield on the way back to see family.
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Dsg explains a lot as they do seem to have a noticeablempg penalty, but astonished to think it can't break 50 on a run like that. :|
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Sootchuckers dsg gtd seems to be getting excellent mpg's so I don't think you can really blame the dsg box. Tyres maybe?
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My daily commute is 25 miles each way, 80% of which is at motorway speed My average since picking up the car 3 months at with 17 miles on the clock is 46MPG. Since picking it up i done several long trips, one of which was to the lake district which is a 500 mile round trip. On that journey i averaged 50MPG.
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Sootchuckers dsg gtd seems to be getting excellent mpg's so I don't think you can really blame the dsg box. Tyres maybe?
But Sootchucker does seem to try very hard for fuel economy and rarely exceeds 70mph, going by his posts. I believe running in goes a long way for both fuel economy and oil consumption. Baby it when running in or run in on motorway miles and the car will have a thirst for oil and fuel, be a bit mean (once hot) and vary the revs with shortish journeys and your car will thank you for it. Ran one of my 7 TDIs in on motorway miles and it used a lot of oil and was low on power and mpg.
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Pls remember this is normal driving not driving like miss daisy or Eco driving :whistle:
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I drove from Switzerland to Belgium at cut and thrust speeds, with temp at 25+ degrees. It certainly wasn't slow and it certainly wasn't flat.... 60mpg.
(GTD, manual box, car fully loaded (with swiss cuckoo clocks and stolen nazi gold))
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I drove from Switzerland to Belgium at cut and thrust speeds, with temp at 25+ degrees. It certainly wasn't slow and it certainly wasn't flat.... 60mpg.
(GTD, manual box, car fully loaded (with swiss cuckoo clocks and stolen nazi gold))
ok so manual and a brim to brim calc or OBC?
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Brim to brim manual calculation.
Maybe the euro-derv is better quality (hand made by Swisswatch makers)
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Had my GTD 32 months now and its pretty predictable in economy now.
Economy definitely increased as miles were clocked up, so not sure if its the OOTB engine settling in but that was a definitely the readings.
Most of my long distance drives are a mix of A and Motorway and on any extended distance where car is predominantly at cruising speed, even with some starts and stops on A roads its always circa 55 mpg
Town and local driving is the biggest variant and can be anywhere between 30-40 mpg depending on distance traffic and how driving it that day.
My long term average is 40.6 mpg at last time checked.
Given the performance the economy is really decent and been very happy with it as never expected the 60 + though do accept in perfect conditions it is actually achievable just never been conscious enough to attempt it.
Of course getting an R next so hopefully my long term cruises and can offset my town drive to come in at around the 30 mpg overall.
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Reminded me to check mine. 47.8mpg over 22000 miles, and she does her fair share of town driving. Manual obv.
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From my roadtrip data:
Total mileage: 45,433 (December 2013 delivery)
Average Consumption: 47.44 (and this hasn't changed much in the last 3 months - av for this period 47.99)
Best Tank: 54.13 (a return trip to Preston, from Stratford-upon-Avon) when the car had about 16K miles on the clock
Worst Tank: 31.41(a return trip to Heathrow, heavy traffic and some A/B Road blasting
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From my roadtrip data:
Total mileage: 45,433 (December 2013 delivery)
Average Consumption: 47.44 (and this hasn't changed much in the last 3 months - av for this period 47.99)
Best Tank: 54.13 (a return trip to Preston, from Stratford-upon-Avon) when the car had about 16K miles on the clock
Worst Tank: 31.41(a return trip to Heathrow, heavy traffic and some A/B Road blasting
My Roadtrip data
Total mileage 5461 (March 16 collection)
Average consumption: 44.89
Best tank: 48.42MPG (458 miles)
Worst tank: 41.36MPG (386 miles)