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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: mcmaddy on 15 June 2016, 21:03
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As title what other cars if any have the same or better standard spec than a gtd or gti for the money?
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I think you'll struggle.
Leon FR may come close but interior quality isn't as good.
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I glanced over a Fr the price was on par with the Gti but it was really let down by its interior very very cheap feel plasics the door cards were a joke and the styling was only so so I was not impressed at all altogether cheap hence hello Gti and loving my choice and the car overall... :whistle:
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I think you'll struggle.
Leon FR may come close but interior quality isn't as good.
Just what I was writing as you posted Kyle great minds lol
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If you are talking VAG, then SEAT and Skoda either won't come with the bells and whistles as standard OR not even be able to spec them at cost OR if you can spec them, the price comes up to around the same.
Audi A3 of course is about 5-6k more for the same spec because you don't get anything as standard :)
A Mini is about 5k more with all of the GTi/GTD toys.
A Volvo V40? Not looked at that one yet, but tempted to...
The French stuff doesn't get near it, Vauxhall or Ford meh, Nissan don't make a sporty Almerra any more.
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I come from a gt86 not much in the way of extras but what a fun car....I loved every second but in the end the lack of rear seats and a family forced my hand, I am loving the golf it works really well but if you want fun and thrills with really only two adult seats it would be hard to beat toys or no toys.
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Not looking to change out of your new Tiguan already are you Chris ?
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If you are talking VAG, then SEAT and Skoda either won't come with the bells and whistles as standard OR not even be able to spec them at cost OR if you can spec them, the price comes up to around the same.
Audi A3 of course is about 5-6k more for the same spec because you don't get anything as standard :)
A Mini is about 5k more with all of the GTi/GTD toys.
A Volvo V40? Not looked at that one yet, but tempted to...
The French stuff doesn't get near it, Vauxhall or Ford meh, Nissan don't make a sporty Almerra any more.
You do get the same step up in interior quality with Audi as you step down with SEAT or Skoda. Audi cabins are something else and my TT was as rock solid at 4 years old as it was new.
As a mix of content and quality, though, VWs are hard to match, across the range. (IMO of course!) :smiley:
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Not looking to change out of your new Tiguan already are you Chris ?
Not just yet Andrew but I do miss the gtd. Plus with only getting 33-35ish for my work run the fuel bills have gone up quite a bit which I did realise before but I reckon I could be getting 43-45 in a gtd easy.
It does show however what good standard spec the gtd and I come with when nothing else really stacks up. I don't think the Skoda and Seat interiors are that far behind though which makes them an interesting alternative.
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BMW 120d?
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The Peugeot 308 GTI has a good spec and 270bhp and is a bit cheaper, good looking too (IMHO).
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The Peugeot 308 GTI has a good spec and 270bhp and is a bit cheaper, good looking too (IMHO).
You just made me go take a look, looks an impressive car for the money - and DTD are offering over 21% discount bringing it to £22,400!
I grew up with my Dad being an avid 205 GTI driver, so I've always fancied doing the same one day - it's just taken Peugeot a while to get back on form, they could be there or getting there now?
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The final decider from me moving from A3 Quattro to the GTD was the standard options that would be paying for on the A3 which enabled me to option DSG and DCC with the savings made.
Time has proven that made the correct choice at the time as the DSG and DCC are something grown to love.
On my recent tour of dealers it was found that again most still have a tick box for what is standard options on the Golf Performance and thats more so now with the recent additional standards. So if the base car is comparable many still struggle to compete in the option battle.
With regards the Peugeot 308 GTI, it was not an option for me, but friend had 205 GTI when growing up and I really loved that car, so from the nostalgia perspective I would have gone and looked, as it does look decent.
However, from driving a colleagues standard 308 many years ago, I hated everything about it, the seat position and the awful interior, and I mean really awful! But that was a few models ago so it may have changed but it would have been first thing checked on.
Another car that always fancied checking out is the Alfa Romeo Giulietta as its just different from anything else see, though know the previous models did not get that good reviews.
But did do quite a lot of leg work and due diligence on all cars in this demographic and really tried to love some to, but in the end it was actually a no contest when selected the R as it just ticks so many boxes
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I had a rented 308 in France a couple of years ago, not a GTI mind just a basic diesel. Have to say it was very comfortable and the interior seemed pretty well made and of a decent quality. Incredible economy too but, the view out of the car for pulling out/overtaking was dangerous as the pillars were all too thick. I would also have strong doubts regarding the quality of the parts used by Peugeot, a former colleague had a 307 or similar that was 3 years old with 30000 miles and he was having the second set of replacement front discs/pads not to mention loads of other failing parts. My old Audi which has 100000 miles now (owned by a friend) still has all it's original discs and only had one replacement set of rear pads and just had it's second set of fronts. As good a car as the 308 GTI may be and perhaps a decent price I wouldn't trust Peugeot enough to want to part with my own money to buy one.
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I test drove the 308 GTi 270 a couple of weeks back and it really is a super drive. Marginally quicker than the GTI Performance and nothing between them in terms of handling and ride ( for normal everyday driving in any case). Seemed to be well put together. Major negatives for me were the cabin which is noticeably smaller that the GTI and the seating position which felt slightly odd.
Not sure if I could get past those two issues but VW Ireland have definitely left the door open by delisting the GTI Performance for the Irish market.
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I test drove the 308 GTi 270 a couple of weeks back and it really is a super drive. Marginally quicker than the GTI Performance and nothing between them in terms of handling and ride ( for normal everyday driving in any case). Seemed to be well put together. Major negatives for me were the cabin which is noticeably smaller that the GTI and the seating position which felt slightly odd.
Not sure if I could get past those two issues but VW Ireland have definitely left the door open by delisting the GTI Performance for the Irish market.
The same restrictions in view were reason passed quite quickly on the Mercedes A Class as extremely narrow fields of vision with strangely high doors and small windows.
Do think that these factors are overlooked to accommodate styling but for me field of view should not be at expense of styling.
My comments on 308 were from way back so its likely they upped their game and its definitely a looker and from comments performs well, but longevity of 'wearable' and 'not covered' parts would definitely be something to do some detective work on.
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I was fed up with style over visibility over the years. The first time I sat in a Mk7 it was a revelation!
When you drive as much as I do, visibility is essential.
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The 308 looks interesting but will be worth 10p in three years compaired to a vw or BMW. I had a 307dturbo before I came across to VW's and must say VW's win every time for me. Seat Leon also looks good too and with the cheaper interior plastics and dash it will weigh less so will be quicker than a gtd😉😉
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BMW 120d?
Not sure if serious? The BMW's don't come with any no cost options like the Golf does. To get a new 120d specced up to the golf you would probably pay an extra £2000.
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What options are of zero cost? :huh:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-gti-vii/configure/extras/1500/1504
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Peugeot haven't made a good looking car in almost 2 decades. Everything since the 406 (and especially the Coupe) has been beaten with the ugly stick. Plus they've a dubious rep on the reliability stakes and are worth buttons come trade in time. Avoid imo.
The Leon interior is horrendous. Really poor. The Octavia is actually a lot better interior wise.
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How about a Focus? Has anyone mentioned that and I missed it? Is it bad to mention a Focus?
The ST and RS will have decent spec per £££ and big discounts on the former.
I'm never really a Ford fan, particularly the cheap looking slabs of silver plastic on some of their fussy interiors, but Ford are normally quite generous with spec and you can have Mountune fully warranted go faster software. Plus they do nicer colours than VW to make up for the weird styling.
The Civic Type R probably has good spec and it looks totally bonkers. I always smile when I see one. Mad, mad car.
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I love that mental green that you can have on the Focus RS.
VW need to be offering colours like that on the Golfs.
I would have no problem driving a Focus or Fiesta. Great cars and decently priced.
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I love that mental green that you can have on the Focus RS.
VW need to be offering colours like that on the Golfs.
I would have no problem driving a Focus or Fiesta. Great cars and decently priced.
Vw viper green is an option on the scirocco I know it was the 1st one I saw back in 08 when they released the new roc but although a great looking car in green my head thought better of it in the long run and we went for the candy white :whistle:
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I would have no problem driving a Focus or Fiesta. Great cars and decently priced.
Agree Kalimon. I've owned a number of Fords in the past, and they were good cars, only spoiled by some poor dealership experiences.
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Good call on the Fords, they have improved and though still make too much of a statement of intent for me, do look good, though interior is definitely not me.
But if it was what someone said you had to have, I would be more than happy to accept, but as this is a forum its all about preference if have the choice.
The vauxhall surprised me on lease, even a pretty standard GTC was coming out more than my Golf R.
Last Vauxhall drove was an 1.8 LXi Astra about 6 years ago, drove ok, but that interior :sick: it made Amstrad look classy, and the little rubber sport button would have actually be rejected by Amstrad. Did not consider the Vauxhall GTC at all so cannot comment on their interiors.
But again did look at all the contenders across the brands and it was still the Golf, so only way would have something else is if Golf was not available to me for some reason.
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I think the Pug looks reasonable, wouldn't have it over a Golf GTI though.
I'd prefer a Ford over a Vauxhall but I'm not sold on the current ST exterior design.
Not really interested in Vauxhall, VXR is a bit chavvy.
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Not looking to change out of your new Tiguan already are you Chris ?
Not just yet Andrew but I do miss the gtd. Plus with only getting 33-35ish for my work run the fuel bills have gone up quite a bit which I did realise before but I reckon I could be getting 43-45 in a gtd easy.
It does show however what good standard spec the gtd and I come with when nothing else really stacks up. I don't think the Skoda and Seat interiors are that far behind though which makes them an interesting alternative.
I'd rather be in a Skoda Octavia VRS than a Seat Leon FR for interior look and feel, the Seat has the worst VAG interior for me. I slightly prefer the exterior looks of the VRS also.
The 1 series is fugly and nowhere near as well equipped as the Golf, the rear passenger space is poor compared to the Golf also.
I'd Lease a Ford or buy a 2 year old one, they're not worth buying new due to horrendous depreciation (maybe RS excepted, but if fuel costs are high on your list i'd scratch that idea), with a newish Ford you can pretend you're in an Aston Martin if the car in front only sees the front end of your car in their rear view mirror! :grin:
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The final decider from me moving from A3 Quattro to the GTD was the standard options that would be paying for on the A3 which enabled me to option DSG and DCC with the savings made.
Time has proven that made the correct choice at the time as the DSG and DCC are something grown to love.
The new 190ps petrol engine in the new facelift A3 quattro S tronic has interesting performance and economy. 0-62 in 6.1 sec, 47.9 mpg combined. That's faster than new GTI club sport performance of 6.3 :shocked:
By the time I added DSG, PP and DCC to the GTI the prices were not that much different. The GTI PP has 40ps more and 0-62 of 6.5 :undecided:
Edit to add: the slightly heavier A3 Sportback and Saloon are 6.2 sec 0-62.
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Daz: about 0.7s of that audi's 0-62 time will be due to initial traction of the 4wd system which the clubsport doesn't have. Once rolling the clubsport will be markedly quicker. You'll see the same comparing a facelift Audi S3 310ps to the Clubsport S - the S3 will look much quicker 0-62 bur once rolling the Clubsport S will be as quick in the dry.
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The final decider from me moving from A3 Quattro to the GTD was the standard options that would be paying for on the A3 which enabled me to option DSG and DCC with the savings made.
Time has proven that made the correct choice at the time as the DSG and DCC are something grown to love.
The new 190ps petrol engine in the new facelift A3 quattro S tronic has interesting performance and economy. 0-62 in 6.1 sec, 47.9 mpg combined. That's faster than new GTI club sport performance of 6.3 :shocked:
By the time I added DSG, PP and DCC to the GTI the prices were not that much different. The GTI PP has 40ps more and 0-62 of 6.5 :undecided:
Edit to add: the slightly heavier A3 Sportback and Saloon are 6.2 sec 0-62.
Spent a little time on the Audi forum as the A3 facelift Quattro was in the final selections and the consensus there was get an S3 if that was to be your pick.
The conversations went on and actually some Audi folk convinced me the Golf R was the better drivers car than the S3
DCC was something that wanted to and the magnetic ride to offset the S Line ride is quite expensive to, so the A3 Quattro was soon racking up the ££ in options that come standard on the R
Another factor that I took into consideration was that needed 5 Doors and only really like the A3 in the 3 Door, on certain days I just see the Sportback as an estate.
Really did like my two A3 Quattro and sure would have been very happy if just gone with the 8V chassis A3 S Line Quattro as it looks good, its quick enough and has good economy to, and you get all the nice Audi usual on the interior. But just wanted this time around to be the ultimate car in that class
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Daz: about 0.7s of that audi's 0-62 time will be due to initial traction of the 4wd system which the clubsport doesn't have. Once rolling the clubsport will be markedly quicker. You'll see the same comparing a facelift Audi S3 310ps to the Clubsport S - the S3 will look much quicker 0-62 bur once rolling the Clubsport S will be as quick in the dry.
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Totally agree with what you said about the 2 cars. Above a certain speed 4 wheel drive and S tronic/DSG are just an extra 100kg of dead weight slowing a car down.
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... some Audi folk convinced me the Golf R was the better drivers car than the S3
DCC was something that wanted to and the magnetic ride to offset the S Line ride is quite expensive to, so the A3 Quattro was soon racking up the ££ in options that come standard on the R
Really did like my two A3 Quattro and sure would have been very happy if just gone with the 8V chassis A3 S Line Quattro as it looks good, its quick enough and has good economy to, and you get all the nice Audi usual on the interior. But just wanted this time around to be the ultimate car in that class
Audi Sport forum?
DCC £830
Mag ride £995
We are all looking for the perfect balance of features that fulfil our requirements in a car. Many requirements are mutually exclusive. Who wouldn't like to have a fast, comfortable, economical, practical and stylish car. Unfortunately, choosing a car is all about compromise.
The Golf R running costs put me off - insurance, mpg and super unleaded. And many of my usual petrol stations no longer have super unleaded.
The GTI or the Audi A3 quattro would offer me a nice step up in performance from my Mk6 GTD.
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... some Audi folk convinced me the Golf R was the better drivers car than the S3
DCC was something that wanted to and the magnetic ride to offset the S Line ride is quite expensive to, so the A3 Quattro was soon racking up the ££ in options that come standard on the R
Really did like my two A3 Quattro and sure would have been very happy if just gone with the 8V chassis A3 S Line Quattro as it looks good, its quick enough and has good economy to, and you get all the nice Audi usual on the interior. But just wanted this time around to be the ultimate car in that class
Audi Sport forum?
DCC £830
Mag ride £995
We are all looking for the perfect balance of features that fulfil our requirements in a car. Many requirements are mutually exclusive. Who wouldn't like to have a fast, comfortable, economical, practical and stylish car. Unfortunately, choosing a car is all about compromise.
The Golf R running costs put me off - insurance, mpg and super unleaded. And many of my usual petrol stations no longer have super unleaded.
The GTI or the Audi A3 quattro would offer me a nice step up in performance from my Mk6 GTD.
Its the horses for courses scenario as both the cars you mention were in my final three with the R and moving from a MK6 to either will definitely be an uplift all round so its win win.
My scenario, or horse for course is different, company lease, with insurance bundled up and mileage significantly reduced with multiple stations for the higher grade fuel
At present my short runs pretty much negate the GTD economy with my overall average just creeping over 40 MPG and so expect about 30 MPG on the R doing similar journeys
Also, on my company configuration for selecting a car the Audi was way more expensive than the Golf R which may be different if out there bargaining personally, but it was another decider for me.
So have rationalised with myself that for three years could cover the cost for what the R gives back and if costs really do prove an issue will move to something more balanced next time around.
We all at different stages and where I am personally is that careful and sensible in most things but this is for me, my extravagance though if hit the 30 MPG mark at the break even lease cost it is to me then it will be about £50 a month more than paying now for the GTD
For you, as said, its win win, loved my 2 Audi Quattro, great cars and though they were 8P chassis, the new 8V chassis will be much better, and having drove a GTD for nearly 3 years now, know the MK 7 Golf and the GTI are are great place to be, so its fine lines of division and no really wrong choice.
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... MK6 to either will definitely be an uplift all round so its win win.
... will move to something more balanced next time around.
We all at different stages and where I am personally is that careful and sensible in most things but this is for me, my extravagance though...
... no really wrong choice.
It is a nice position to be in. I really wish I could justify buying a Golf R at this stage.
Also, my wife might want my car in a few years. I know she will like the A3 Quattro. She would not want a GTI or Golf R. Something else I have to consider.
Edit: I can see problems keeping my wife out of a new A3. So maybe I should get a GTI or R :evil:
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... MK6 to either will definitely be an uplift all round so its win win.
... will move to something more balanced next time around.
We all at different stages and where I am personally is that careful and sensible in most things but this is for me, my extravagance though...
... no really wrong choice.
It is a nice position to be in. I really wish I could justify buying a Golf R at this stage.
Also, my wife might want my car in a few years. I know she will like the A3 Quattro. She would not want a GTI or Golf R. Something else I have to consider.
Edit: I can see problems keeping my wife out of a new A3. So maybe I should get a GTI or R :evil:
Wife struggled with my 2 x A3 Quattro as they were manual and you would never catch me having an automatic.
But her best buddy had an Audi with STronic and so she badgered me into selecting DSG for the GTD
Cannot go back now and with the Auto she has no fears for the R as drives the GTD most days and loves it.
The Audi is a nice cabin to be in and in S Line form its just a nice higher spec Audi with some sporting touches
The GTI is hardly like an RS or an F Type, one the appeals for most here is the understated nature of performance golfs, where its sporting touches allude to what lies in side opposed to screaming it.
For badge snobbery the Audi still seems to win in the conversation stakes but out driving I would say the Golfs turn more heads and the cabin is still a nice place to be. My wife loved the Quattro we had, but like me she thinks the Golf is the better car and was one pushing me away from the A3 and S3 and urging me to at least select another GTD, if not the GTI or the R ..
There is plenty to be seen out there now from both camps so suggest you both get down to garages and see them in the flesh and test drive. its part of the fun, which soon stops when have to wait an eternity like I am having to do now :)
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There is plenty to be seen out there now from both camps so suggest you both get down to garages and see them in the flesh and test drive. its part of the fun, which soon stops when have to wait an eternity like I am having to do now :)
I'm not changing until next year. I'm still at the research stage.
I waited 9 months for my car. It is difficult, but worth it. The forums do help a bit :smiley:
My wife drives a 2 year old A3 1.6 SE Sportback S tronic. She loves the car, but it was bought for comfort and not speed. Luckily my wife is built for speed and not comfort :evil:
Edit: I just realised - 2 of my wife's friends bought new A3's after her. So I really doubt she would want a Golf, but a faster A3...?
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There is plenty to be seen out there now from both camps so suggest you both get down to garages and see them in the flesh and test drive. its part of the fun, which soon stops when have to wait an eternity like I am having to do now :)
I'm not changing until next year. I'm still at the research stage.
I waited 9 months for my car. It is difficult, but worth it. The forums do help a bit :smiley:
My wife drives a 2 year old A3 1.6 SE Sportback S tronic. She loves the car, but it was bought for comfort and not speed. Luckily my wife is built for speed and not comfort :evil:
Edit: I just realised - 2 of my wife's friends bought new A3's after her. So I really doubt she would want a Golf, but a faster A3...?
We have a young lady called Rebecca here who should take your wife out for a drive in her Black Beauty R and you might find girl power may swing in the Golfs direction :wink:
But as been saying if the Audi seeming prestige is the differentiation then that will sway, but I jumped from the A3 and have not for a second regretted it.
Due diligence is the fun stage and as you have plenty of time just get the test drives booked and also check the many posts here on how to secure great deals for either brand