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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Jackie Treehorn on 14 June 2016, 08:19
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Can't remember the last time I saw a GTI but I went out for an hour on Sunday and saw 7 Golf R's which for me is a record.
Lease deals still going strong I guess. Cheaper than a 1.2 TSI!!!
https://www.centralukvehicleleasing.co.uk/vehicle/detail/57539/volkswagen/golf_hatchback.html
I feel for the genuine VW or Golf R enthusiasts that love and care for the car, but there is going to be a sh*t load available for the 2nd and 3rd hand market. Wait till they get as old as the mk4 and every trucker cap wearing* lad or lass has them in your local Maccy D's at 10pm. But at £220 anyone can get them for that price!
Anyone got any idea why they want to make the high priced top of the range car less exclusive? I can't think of the reason for VW doing it to be honest. Is it really just about money and chasing volume at the expense of the R? Seems crazy as they can't be that short of cash at VW
*No offence to trucker cap wearers.
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That is main reason why I've chosen not to jump into an R. They are far too common.
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Same as Craig for me, GTi's are far less common around my way!
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Less than £200 monthly rentals are just to get your attention.
There is a £2000 initial deposit too. Then when you up the mileage to a more realistic 10,000 miles and add maintenance, then there's the VAT, you end up paying a total of £11915.93 over two years. So £496.50 in real money each month, simply to rent a car.
Does it still look so cheap?
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Less than £200 monthly rentals are just to get your attention.
There is a £2000 initial deposit too. Then when you up the mileage to a more realistic 10,000 miles and add maintenance, then there's the VAT, you end up paying a total of £11915.93 over two years. So £496.50 in real money each month, simply to rent a car.
Does it still look so cheap?
Not sure your figures are realistic Dubber
£2400 down includes VAT
£221.99 a month includes VAT
= £7505 over the 2 years.
say 10p a mile which is probably more than the company charge. Takes it up to 10,000 a year
= £1000 for 2 years.
Throw in servicing call it £300 a year so that's another £600
So in total and overestimating I make it £9105 which is £379 a month which is more realistic and probably on par if someone sat down and worked out what they were paying on a PCP overall.
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Oops, I worked it out for a 5door DSG.
Copied from the link in the OP
Contract Length:
24 months
Contract Mileage:
10000
Maintenance:
Yes
MRP:
£27,479 on the road
Free Delivery:
(UK mainland only)
Rental profile:
Initial rental of £2000.00 plus vat followed by 23 monthly rentals of £338.26 plus vat
Admin fees of £150+vat [£180 inc VAT] are applicable unless otherwise stated
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p3asa - even less in reality. The first service is normally 160 quid and most leases are set up for longlife servicing so that does not happen until you are in to the second year. There will then be no need for a second service on a 24 month lease. Additional mileage is actually 7.2p per mile, inc VAT on these deals.
So thats 7,505.00 plus 160.00 plus 720.00
Total: 8,385.00 (amotizes to 349.00 a month)
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I don't fully understand how this happens, perhaps you guys can explain.
I don't get why they (I assume VW) have flooded the market so much. Or is this out of there control? It just seems crazy thing to do, it dilutes the R brand imo which should be a little more exclusive.
Anyway, nice car, shame I see so many on the road, but I fear a total of 7 spotted is a record I will break pretty soon.
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I'm surprised they did not choose the GTI to do this promotion on. And if they did I would have got one as its the eye-watering (lack of) economy that puts me off an R. Some of the folk I meet talk about averaging 21 mpg and getting less than 200 miles off a tank!
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At the moment I'm driving to Essex and back every Wednesday (~500mile round trip) and see about 10 R's on that journey. (M6/M1/M25)
I would honestly say 8/10 of these will be Lapiz blue. I would still have one though if I could, Black with Cadiz. :smiley:
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I'm up and down the country all week mostly motorways albeit A's and B roads too saying the most newer golf's I see are the GTD's followed by the R's the Gti's are few and far between and as for the Gte can probably count on one hand the amount iv seen in a few month... :whistle:
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I've got 2 customers with GTE'e.
There's nowt stranger than folk :laugh:
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With decent options which most of the true enthusiasts would seek then it is definitely in the the £400+ Region and thats not really cheap.
So the second hand market may have some of the original take ups or the vanilla specification at cheaper prices that you would hope but the higher specification for once should hold more value for the options you chose to pay extra for.
Its funny you say seen loads as put my order in a month ago and hardly seen any! Its mainly GTD around this way as do see plenty of them now with both the GTI and R rare sightings - Until the day I get mine of course and then I will see one every two minutes :smiley:
I get the common bit to a degree but even in my GTD i still get a huge sense of satisfaction at how good a car it is and the R is universally accepted as being a great car so for me it really not bother and I will just be made up to be driving it and my delivery date cannot come soon enough
This is reinforced by fact had choice of multiple performance cars from all the major marquee and this is the one I chose as did not really like any of the alternatives.
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We've been here many times.
Think back to 2004/5 when VW launched the mk5 GTI.
It was keenly priced and well received by the press and VW sold bucket loads of them. They were everywhere.
Times move on and the world has moved on.
This is the era of the uber hatch. The GTI was never an uber hatch, just a quick FWD Golf & VW have for many years had a model above the GTI.
The finance guys look at the mk6 R retained values and probably base their long term figures on that. That car was a sales flop with its high price and stingy spec but was popular used due to its tuning potential.
The mk7 R is a different kettle of fish, it has 300PS yet can still average high 20's mpg in normal driving. It is cheaper than AMG A45's (considerably) and 135i's and costs the same to service as a normal Golf unlike the aforementioned uber hatches there which have expensive running costs, be it insurance, road tax or in the A45's case the servicing schedule.
The press love the R, and that alone will generate interest. There's no real alternative yet for similar money.
The S3 is along the same lines but looks too bland and anonymous unless you spec it in hideous yellow.
Did everyone therefore say the mk5 GTI was to be avoided as it was too common?
No, it's a Golf and Golfs are top ten selling cars so therefore they're not going to be rare.
R32's sold reasonably well (mostly to women when new in mk5 form going from my own observations) but were never going to be a leasing favourite due to running costs.
So we now have the R with its affordable real world price, discreet styling (preferred by professionals), lowish running costs (for a 300PS car) and rave press reviews.
Also added to the mix is the original plan of the R400 which was to be the rare range topper demoting the R to just another production Golf.
Yep, they're quite common and I enjoy seeing a few of them out on the roads just like I like seeing other performance VW's, I'll just give a thumbs up and think "good choice"
I've no idea why VWFS keep punting them onto the market in cheap lease deals either but there must be a bigger plan afoot with brand image and market share with company car drivers battling BMW and Mercedes.
By the time mk7 R's are parked up in every dodgy drive through with baseball cap toss pots at the helm the world will have moved on again and VW may not even be a fashionable brand by then or everyone will be lusting after Tiguans having decided they need a truck sized Golf to keep
I do agree R's have had a dodgy image due to the lease deals but if you want yours to stand out a bit from the company car financed middle management lease R's then just do what I always do and slap a different set of wheels on it. Instant distinction from the hordes, or even just by putting a bit of spec on yours if you're buying will distinguish it from the cheap leasers if that's important to you.
The R is having its moment and just like the phone in your pocket/handbag it's just a modern accessory toy in a throwaway society. Live for the moment and enjoy the fact that people that would really appreciate an R can actually afford one this time round.
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there are 3 Golf R's in the town where i live now, and its a very small coastal town, they do look smart.
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In two weeks there will be three on my driveway, 3 door, 5 door and estate so I agree they are everywhere
My R estate is is £212.00 a month on a 9+23 as have a couple of options which equates to £6,784, these include VAT and road tax for year two. Excess mileage is £72 for every thousand miles so I think i will be in for about £720 on a car which lists at £34K, I assume you can get one for sub £30K shopping around, also got this through my dealer group so no document fees
In reality this deal was just two good to turn down and why my fully bought and paid for one is going, in reality I think an owned one will depreciate more and in reality the cash off mine will just sit in the bank for a few years
The Estate takes over from the Polo as a daily and suits me in that spec and will mileage rates I am way better running it privately than putting it through my business
If you got beat them lease them, I've got over it now and just smile, the 2 series at least is rarer when it turns up in November and I am sure cost of ownership will be better than the R providing I avoid smoky burn out mode
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I've got 2 customers with GTE'e.
There's nowt stranger than folk :laugh:
One of my mates has the Gte don't get me wrong it is a nice car good spec ex demo as Vw were bigging them up he got it 9 month old he says good price for him it suits he works nights wife works day's so one charge just on batteries gets him 2.5 days free :whistle: but nah not for me I'm old school had to be the Gti and I must say very very happy with the car :grin: :grin:
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I have just done a 350 mile round trip today and seen one, plenty of GTD's though :whistle:
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I'm more concerned that as they are leased people are just ragging them from cold and on standard unleaded. It's not like they are being cherished like years ago when people actually handed over their hard earned in one lump sum.
Maybe it won't be an issue but when they are three plus owner cars theres a high chance it will be a lease car but you won't know.
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Don't see vary many Rs in my neck of the woods though not nearly as rare as a GTI. GTDs though, loads of them! The only GTE I've seen actually on the road was a couple of weeks back in Norway. Saw another unusual specced Golf there too, GTD wheels, styling and leds but it was a TDI with four wheel drive.
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I'm more concerned that as they are leased people are just ragging them from cold and on standard unleaded. It's not like they are being cherished like years ago when people actually handed over their hard earned in one lump sum.
Maybe it won't be an issue but when they are three plus owner cars theres a high chance it will be a lease car but you won't know.
I know exactly what you mean iv bought mine outright it's specced to the hilt less PP I see it as an investment in the distant future highly specced Gti low millage etc i know it works we bought the wife's scirocco in 09 that's only done 12k full Vw serv history pristine condition and was offered well over the odds the last time it was in for its mot but again with that we have no plans to sell.
But I like you do wonder that the amount of performance golf's out there hitting the market it's gonna be a minefield dropping on a genuine looked after one and not one that's spent it's early life doing doughnuts in car parks and over regular launch starts for no reason..
I just know when mine does go it will be as cherished then as it is now.... :whistle: :whistle:
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I know exactly what you mean iv bought mine outright it's specced to the hilt less PP I see it as an investment in the distant future highly specced Gti low millage etc i know it works we bought the wife's scirocco in 09 that's only done 12k full Vw serv history pristine condition and was offered well over the odds the last time it was in for its mot but again with that we have no plans to sell.
But I like you do wonder that the amount of performance golf's out there hitting the market it's gonna be a minefield dropping on a genuine looked after one and not one that's spent it's early life doing doughnuts in car parks and over regular launch starts for no reason..
I just know when mine does go it will be as cherished then as it is now...
It's hardly an investment as it will still depreciate just like any other white good. The way I see it is that you'll have a really nice car that you can keep for as long as you want to, which will ultimately save you lots of money.
Those that are paying out £400 a month for a PCP will be put into a position in three years time when they'll almost certainly end up changing cars and carrying on paying out £400 a month. It's a never ending circle. Whereas with you, you'll still be driving a very much admired car without having to fork out each month.
Buy them with cash and keep them for a long time is my preferred way of motoring. Many people will disagree as they like to keep up with the new car market, but they all get you to work and the shops just the same. Having an older car that has been cherished can be pretty satisfying. Buying used can always be a minefield, but if you've known it from day one, you can't go wrong.
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My problem is, that once I stop paying for a car I quickly find something else to plough my £300 monthly into which means I'm actually a lot worse off come repair / MOT time.
Even worse still when I do decide I want to change cars I've got no disposable money to throw at one.
The never ending circle works for me as I treat it like money I've never had.
Life is too short :rolleyes:
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Life is too short..
... to have to decide what car to have next then all the rigmarole of dealing with salesmen any more often than is absolutely necessary.
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If you want true exclusivity you have to look up the financial ladder to the performance cars that price the majority out of the market.
VW needs to sale cars more than ever, the type of vehicle and price segment is quite packed with cars and even though still hardly cheap, quite a few buyers.
So with all that in mind then of course there is going to be quite a few sold but this is similar across the range of makers at this price level
So given that, my thinking was not about exclusivity it was about selecting the car I would be most happy with and the fact that looked at all the brands for this type of car and monies and came out with the Golf R as being the car for me, makes exclusivity a non issue as there is simply nothing else would select.
Also, even now, the GTD gets looks, its a great car to be in and drive and thats not going to change in the R, I know I am going to love driving it each and every day.
So think expectation needs a reset and that if really want exclusivity you need to be realistic and expect that at much higher price than paying for a universally accepted great car
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I know exactly what you mean iv bought mine outright it's specced to the hilt less PP I see it as an investment in the distant future highly specced Gti low millage etc i know it works we bought the wife's scirocco in 09 that's only done 12k full Vw serv history pristine condition and was offered well over the odds the last time it was in for its mot but again with that we have no plans to sell.
But I like you do wonder that the amount of performance golf's out there hitting the market it's gonna be a minefield dropping on a genuine looked after one and not one that's spent it's early life doing doughnuts in car parks and over regular launch starts for no reason..
I just know when mine does go it will be as cherished then as it is now...
It's hardly an investment as it will still depreciate just like any other white good. The way I see it is that you'll have a really nice car that you can keep for as long as you want to, which will ultimately save you lots of money.
Those that are paying out £400 a month for a PCP will be put into a position in three years time when they'll almost certainly end up changing cars and carrying on paying out £400 a month. It's a never ending circle. Whereas with you, you'll still be driving a very much admired car without having to fork out each month.
Buy them with cash and keep them for a long time is my preferred way of motoring. Many people will disagree as they like to keep up with the new car market, but they all get you to work and the shops just the same. Having an older car that has been cherished can be pretty satisfying. Buying used can always be a minefield, but if you've known it from day one, you can't go wrong.
I couldn't agree with you more :smiley:
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My problem is, that once I stop paying for a car I quickly find something else to plough my £300 monthly into which means I'm actually a lot worse off come repair / MOT time.
Even worse still when I do decide I want to change cars I've got no disposable money to throw at one.
The never ending circle works for me as I treat it like money I've never had.
Life is too short :rolleyes:
I have for a few months been looking at 987 Spyders as my last big spend (man maths only) now they are holding price, then i think about being sensible and keeping the car we have for the next 10 years. Not paying for a car is a nice (fortunate) place to be, but it doesn't stop me looking for the next thing to through money at even if realistically the Golf is all I need. I kept my Audi for 10 years then got silly and bought a different car nearly every year for the last 6 years, but i think i have finally settled down. No PCP means Trackdays too!! :cool:
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Only counted 4 R's yesterday on my 500 mile round trip.
Embarrassed a Toyota GT86 which made my day :smiley: (standard GTD)
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I reckon there's another two Rs in the town I live in, one of which was the only one I saw yesterday. Can't remember the last time I saw a GTi but do see plenty of GTDs.
Unless I've got the same deposit left over at the end of the 36 months on the wife's R as we put in in the first place, I will pay the balloon payment and carry on paying what I pay at the moment. Eventually, that will start to build up a nice chunk of positive equity for a deposit and it's hardly a ball ache to keep it, say, another year. I worked it out that it would take another three years over the initial 36 month to buy it outright at which point we would own a 6 year old R.
What will a 6 year old Mk7 R be worth? Who knows but it would have to be at least £10k surely? We then have plenty of money to do whatever with if we sold it.
Whatever we do, the next owner will get a privately owned, molly coddled, non abused example that's permanently run on Shell Nitro and serviced on the button. Just like the lad who got my Mk6 GTi from VW Doncaster when I traded it in - apparently he was over the moon with it.
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I can't see it being a problem owning a 6 yr old R. I enjoyed my 9 yr old A3 until the minute I sold it and that was a 170 diesel, not a 300bhp, 4wd beast :grin:
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Precisely my thoughts owning the Mk6 GTi for nearly six years so owning the R that long should be a breeze!!
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This was one of my main reasons for going with the GTI in carbon grey but a real head over heart decision.
Who in their right mind should opt for the GTI over the R? Me for one but that niggling doubt still sticks in the back of my mind until I think about the exclusivity of the GTI over the R.....but still doesn't seem right!
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Based on my current mileage having a gti over the r has saved me about £400 in fuel in the 8 months I've had the car. I could have saved even more by having a gtd but that would have meant having to fill up from the wrong pump.
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Based on my current mileage having a gti over the r has saved me about £400 in fuel in the 8 months I've had the car. I could have saved even more by having a gtd but that would have meant having to fill up from the wrong pump.
You are filling up from the wrong pump (RON95). :grin: With the minimal price differential between the 2, buying a GTI over an R makes no sense to me - if you want fuel economy and 2WD get a GTD and a tuning box. For me the R is worth paying a little extra at the pumps for.
I may be facing a car dilemma soon - applied for a job that would require a 96 mile round trip commute, with that in mind i'd be looking at either:-
1. Running the wife's A1 1.6TDI for the commute and her having the R for her commute, allowin me to use the R on the weekends.
2. Selling the R and the A1 privately, getting a new S3 (if facelift is due) for the wife to commute in and me to use at the weekend, and a crapbox (likely a 5 year old Vauxhall Astra diesel) for me to run up the commute miles in.
3. Doing as per 2 but keeping the R instead of getting an S3.
4. Hope to get a 2 or 3 way car share and keep the cars as they are.
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Based on my current mileage having a gti over the r has saved me about £400 in fuel in the 8 months I've had the car. I could have saved even more by having a gtd but that would have meant having to fill up from the wrong pump.
You are filling up from the wrong pump (RON95). :grin: With the minimal price differential between the 2, buying a GTI over an R makes no sense to me - if you want fuel economy and 2WD get a GTD and a tuning box. For me the R is worth paying a little extra at the pumps for.
I may be facing a car dilemma soon - applied for a job that would require a 96 mile round trip commute, with that in mind i'd be looking at either:-
1. Running the wife's A1 1.6TDI for the commute and her having the R for her commute, allowin me to use the R on the weekends.
2. Selling the R and the A1 privately, getting a new S3 (if facelift is due) for the wife to commute in and me to use at the weekend, and a crapbox (likely a 5 year old Vauxhall Astra diesel) for me to run up the commute miles in.
3. Doing as per 2 but keeping the R instead of getting an S3.
4. Hope to get a 2 or 3 way car share and keep the cars as they are.
I have the same problem but looking at 230 miles per day commuting!
Plan is to buy a £2k diesel auto 2nd car to crunch the miles, it's only a 11 month contract so not long-term.
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I may be facing a car dilemma soon - applied for a job that would require a 96 mile round trip commute, with that in mind i'd be looking at either:-
2. Selling the R and the A1 privately, getting a new S3 (if facelift is due) for the wife to commute in and me to use at the weekend, and a crapbox (likely a 5 year old Vauxhall Astra diesel) for me to run up the commute miles in.
What do you mean if facelift is due? The S3 has been revised in the last month. You seem to get slight more standard equipment now than before but you still need to pay for the Tech pack if you want the virtual cockpit. The facelifted sportback looks very nice
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virtual cockpit on the Audi costs an additional £400. Would any of you pay for the virtual cockpit if it were an option only?
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virtual cockpit on the Audi costs an additional £400. Would any of you pay for the virtual cockpit if it were an option only?
100% I would
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virtual cockpit on the Audi costs an additional £400. Would any of you pay for the virtual cockpit if it were an option only?
On the Golf I may be tempted as last on list that if had enough ££ left to afford option. Always thought the Golf dials could be better, cleaner.
On the S3 I would stay with the dials, as really like the S3 dials.
Think virtual cockpit is only an option as it has that new shiny tech allure, but will soon become standard as it benefits the car makers more as pretty sure the screens will be a lot cheaper than dials to make in long term
Definitely not craving screens though as see far to many of them in my day to day and it will just be another screen and O/S to me.
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virtual cockpit on the Audi costs an additional £400. Would any of you pay for the virtual cockpit if it were an option only?
On the Golf I may be tempted as last on list that if had enough ££ left to afford option. Always thought the Golf dials could be better, cleaner.
On the S3 I would stay with the dials, as really like the S3 dials.
Think virtual cockpit is only an option as it has that new shiny tech allure, but will soon become standard as it benefits the car makers more as pretty sure the screens will be a lot cheaper than dials to make in long term
Definitely not craving screens though as see far to many of them in my day to day and it will just be another screen and O/S to me.
The R dials are really nice.
The contrasting border and blue needle illumination looks quite classy.
The only downside of them is that it's hard to see the high beam warning light against the blue highlights occasionally. I get the odd flash!
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I may be facing a car dilemma soon - applied for a job that would require a 96 mile round trip commute, with that in mind i'd be looking at either:-
2. Selling the R and the A1 privately, getting a new S3 (if facelift is due) for the wife to commute in and me to use at the weekend, and a crapbox (likely a 5 year old Vauxhall Astra diesel) for me to run up the commute miles in.
What do you mean if facelift is due? The S3 has been revised in the last month. You seem to get slight more standard equipment now than before but you still need to pay for the Tech pack if you want the virtual cockpit. The facelifted sportback looks very nice
The facelift was news to me - the configurator has been buggered for weeks - finally got a go on it last night. Slightly more standard kit - good! No Sepang Blue option that I could do on the configurator - bad! The sports seats don't seem to look quite as sporty as I remember them - or is that just my memory? Extra 10ps -good! Nice standard wheels - Good! Big acceleration and quoted mpg differences between manual and the new DSG box, makes DSG more tempting but would still probably bore me to have one.
Tempted.
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I may be facing a car dilemma soon - applied for a job that would require a 96 mile round trip commute, with that in mind i'd be looking at either:-
2. Selling the R and the A1 privately, getting a new S3 (if facelift is due) for the wife to commute in and me to use at the weekend, and a crapbox (likely a 5 year old Vauxhall Astra diesel) for me to run up the commute miles in.
What do you mean if facelift is due? The S3 has been revised in the last month. You seem to get slight more standard equipment now than before but you still need to pay for the Tech pack if you want the virtual cockpit. The facelifted sportback looks very nice
The facelift was news to me - the configurator has been buggered for weeks - finally got a go on it last night. Slightly more standard kit - good! No Sepang Blue option that I could do on the configurator - bad! The sports seats don't seem to look quite as sporty as I remember them - or is that just my memory? Extra 10ps -good! Nice standard wheels - Good! Big acceleration and quoted mpg differences between manual and the new DSG box, makes DSG more tempting but would still probably bore me to have one.
Tempted.
My final choice was a straight one between the S3 and the R and so that is where focused my final finding of the details to make the final decision.
Joined the Audi forum and did some due diligence with the S3 owners and the final analysis was that the S3 maybe has a slightly more upmarket interior but the R is by far the better car to drive particularly in race as the though you would suspect the set up under the exteriors would be the same, they are in fact different when it comes to steering and set up.
Simply put the R gives you more pleasure than the S3 to drive. (reviews seem to back up this opinion to)
This is now my personal opinion and not gleamed from others, but having done the dealer trawl the S3 only really grabbed me in 3 door, the sport back no matter how hard tried to love, did nothing for me at all. So as 5 door is a must have and as the MK 7 is arguably better if not equal in looks to a 3 doors lines, the R was a clear winner.
Mine is lease and though there is more standard options, to create my R specification actually priced me out of being able to have an S3 and I would have had to go back to near standard to be able to select the S3. So it was the the more costly too, for less. Not sure how that translates to deals that can make with dealers but again cost made the R a clear winner for me.
As always we talking finite details on cars that are more than decent and you would be more than happy with either, but as you have to choose these are sort of details that make the difference in the end.