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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: buddfridge on 11 June 2016, 08:15
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Just thought I would give my thoughts to prospective buyer's.
I have had my deep black for a month or so now and while the car does looks amazing when it's clean it has got to be the worst ever colour to keep clean. I have had a black car before but just forgot how difficult it was to keep it immaculate, it's so much easier to have a lighter coloured car...my last three have been white or silver one of them was the mk 7 so I can make a good comparison, I probably washed these on average just over once a week were as the black mk 7 it needs doing after every decent run out because of either muck ,flies or dust.
I actually like washing the car but I am now starting to become ocd because it really shows every mark and on another downside it is picking up very miner chips in the top coat ...they are not paint deep but do really show up as white specs.
I will be keeping on top of the cleaning and as I say the car looks great but if I could turn back the clock a few weeks I would choose a lighter colour to keep my sanity intact, it's currently getting washed three times a week and isn't used daily..it's still fun and a great car to own though.
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Ps I whittled it down to black or silver...anybody like to comment on silver ?
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My previous GTD was Deep Black Pearl and I went with Tungsten Silver for my GTI for just this reason. The darker the paint, the softer it is. I had chips and swirls and the car was never clean. Did look special when it had just been done, though, and I love how Rebecca's (Booth's) car looks, when it's super clean.
I'm loving my TS car. Think the colour shows up the Mk 7's sharp creases well, with it's slight changes of colour with viewing angle. :smiley:
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Iv had a cpl of black cars in the past one of them used for shows and concourse was a nightmare panther black metallic looked brill when done and in some light and angles like chrome but that showed up every spot loved it but no black car again the carbon grey is spot on but does suffer the dust when been out on a run too :whistle:
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My previous GTD was Deep Black Pearl and I went with Tungsten Silver for my GTI for just this reason. The darker the paint, the softer it is. I had chips and swirls and the car was never clean. Did look special when it had just been done, though, and I love how Rebecca's (Booth's) car looks, when it's super clean.
I'm loving my TS car. Think the colour shows up the Mk 7's sharp creases well, with it's slight changes of colour with viewing angle. :smiley:
Yeah I am now kicking myself for not getting the silver too.
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I have had 4 metallic black cars and have to say it does show every swirl, chip and bit of dirt. I liked white as well, but was not sure as most cars are a flat white. But when I saw VW did Oryx White I jumped on it. I have to say I love the colour so much my next car (Golf R) is going to be in Oryx White as well. It looks fantastic in most light conditions similar to pure white in the few other conditions which do not catch the pearlescent flecks in the paint. It is also easy to clean and remains looking cleaner than most colours a week or two after as well. Also from personal experience the case with white is when it's chipped it easier to hide the chip than on black paint. I would say however pure white is easier to hide chips than Oryx White. As Oryx White is essentially Pure White with a pearlescent laquer added on top.
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I have had 4 metallic black cars and have to say it does show every swirl, chip and bit of dirt. I liked white as well, but was not sure as most cars are a flat white. But when I saw VW did Oryx White I jumped on it. I have to say I love the colour so much my next car (Golf R) is going to be in Oryx White as well. It looks fantastic in most light conditions similar to pure white in the few other conditions which do not catch the pearlescent flecks in the paint. It is also easy to clean and remains looking cleaner than most colours a week or two after as well. Also from personal experience the case with white is when it's chipped it easier to hide the chip than on black paint. I would say however pure white is easier to hide chips than Oryx White. As Oryx White is essentially Pure White with a pearlescent laquer added on top.
Thanks once again for that email Brenbo, totally agree white or silver would have been much easier to live with.
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I agree. Black is awesome clean, but I found myself cleaning the car more often and for longer periods trying to get every last bit of visible dirt. I have gone from a less stringent cleaning process and taking well over 4 hours to having a proper detailing cleaning process including snow foam pre-wash, applying conserver etc, and taking less than 1.5 hours.
What cleaning process do you following. Do you follow the detailing process of lambs wool mitts, snow foam pre-wash etc,. Or do you use the good old fashioned sponge and halfords special wash & wax.
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My carbon grey looks clean for 10 mins at the most after cleaning.
I'm trying to wash it less and get over myself but it's difficult when the car looks so good when shiny.
My avus silver A3 always looked clean so tungsten may be the way to go :smiley:
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I know people always instantly say white or light colours will show up dirt more. But from my experience it is not the case. I would say black is a definite dirt magnet or least the best colour to visibly show dirt quicker.
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My TR GTI is pretty good at hiding the dirt (except the worst trap, top of the rear bumber). It does look fantastic freshly washed but even after about a month without a clean, it still looks good. In fact, yesterday I cleaned the inside and wheels whilst my OH was out and when she came back she commented that I'd missed the rear bumper assuming I'd washed the whole car! Mind you, her car truly is minging having not been washed for probably over 6 months so perhaps that wasn't a good example :rolleyes:
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Mine's Reflex Silver and I'm very happy with it, as stated above it's a practical choice. I know people says it's boring, but my view is that I'd prefer a colour that looks "good" 90% of the time, compared to a dark colour that looks "fantastic" 10% of the time.
Bubba.
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Ps I whittled it down to black or silver...anybody like to comment on silver ?
Silver is good at hiding the sh!te - my wife has a "Floret Silver" (A silver with subtle blue/violet tones) Audi A1 and I can get away with not cleaning it for a month is a bird hasn't shat on it (she's too lazy to clean her own car). The A1's rear bumper doesn't accumulate crap on the top of it like the Golf does.
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Lapiz Blue is not that easy to keep clean and avoid the dreaded swirl marks either. I would only have Deep Black pearl if it came with a 3 year Booth detailing option :grin:
Strangely enough though, I didn't find Carbon Grey that much of a pain :shocked:
If I were to change tomorrow it would be a 3 dr Reflex Silver R with Pretoria's 👍
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I have a 3dr Reflex Silver R on order because our current black car has driven me to distraction.
Gone for the easier option and hoping it will keep the R under the radar a bit as it's my wife's daily and she doesn't like the attention.
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Reflex (and other real silvers) just don't show the dirt but also can never give a satisfying sheen like a metallic black or dark blue - and I have owned quite a few of these in the past.
As I can no longer be bothered with a lot of car cleaning, these dark colours are now "out" for my future cars...
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Mine's Reflex Silver and I'm very happy with it, as stated above it's a practical choice. I know people says it's boring, but my view is that I'd prefer a colour that looks "good" 90% of the time, compared to a dark colour that looks "fantastic" 10% of the time.
Bubba.
I'm with you 100% there.
Not that I have a silver car but that's what I would choose right now if I had a choice.
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I have carbon grey and I have become very OCD about cleaning to avoid the marks. My MK6 was reflex silver and I seemed to enjoy it more as it was far more care free to keep clean. So seriously considering if I change to an R it will be Reflex Silver again with Pretoria's.
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I love black paint, the golf is easy to clean as it's small but if I'm in a position to get another range rover it will be in a lighter colour. I've had a dark navy one before and that took a while to clean.
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I have a white GTD my wife has the metallic black GTI.
I prefer washing the white as I can see how clean it is. You think its clean then spray Tardis over a panel and the amount of tar that runs down the side is nuts. I think it gives me more satisfaction washing the white one.
When I clean the black one it looks more stunning but I'm never convinced its as clean as the white one.
Putting wax on is no contest. Black is so easy to put on and remove. White is a nightmare as you can't see it properly.
When both are clean, the black one certainly turns more heads when I'm driving it but that might be because its a GTI :grin:
White is certainly more forgiving. It hides a multitude of sins. Swirls being one of them as these are unavoidable. Water marks are another. The black is an absolute nightmare to avoid water marks. Even drying one panel at a time they always seem to appear. If I use something like Last Touch it helps prevent them but as soon as there is a shower the water marks are back.
How is Lapiz Blue compared to Black?
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Black probably shows the most dirt, chips and watermarks as it is the most mirror like of colours.
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I think the silvers (Reflex, Tungsten and Limestone Grey) really suit the mk7 Golf more than any other previous mark (bar the mk4 GTI). It's been said many times, but the sharp lines and creases of the mk7 are shown off to their greatest effect on the silvers. No other colour does that in the same way, but of course all the colours have their own merits.
I adore black cars but only on certain cars. When the mk7 first came out I wasn't sure about DBP being right for it, but when the R was finally unveiled I really thought it worked well with the silver accents and although you lose the contrast with the black styling you gain that stealthy look.
DBP pearl rewards being well looked after and maintained with stunning reflections and deep wet look gloss (if done properly) but takes some commitment, if you are that way inclined. Silvers are the best for camouflaging the dirt well and for longer but can lack the gloss and shine. That said, in the right hands that can be achieved and I've seen some great examples of very good reflections and gloss on silver. But even that comes at the price of regular cleans and quite a lot of effort. But even not buffed to a high shine it still looks gorgeous.
You should play to the strengths of whatever colour you have and accept that it might not give you everything.
Silver - easier to maintain but not on the same level as black in terms of gloss and reflection. However it reflects the light amazingly well and that is a key quality of it.
DBP - a lot of work to keep looking good (though not as bad as many make out) looks dirty fairly quickly, but when clean - few things come close to the jaw dropping reflections and velvety gloss.
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Black probably shows the most dirt, chips and watermarks as it is the most mirror like of colours.
Simple answer to watermarks is to use a DI water filter for washing the car.
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Black probably shows the most dirt, chips and watermarks as it is the most mirror like of colours.
Simple answer to watermarks is to use a DI water filter for washing the car.
What DI water filter do you use Rebecca? Presumably that is just for the final rinse?
Having trouble with water marks as the weather warms up and parts of the car dry before I can get to them with my Wo Wo drying micro fibre towels! Hot bodywork dries out pretty quick.
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well said Booth, looking at the photos of your car you definitely know what you are talking about when it comes to getting the best results with black paint work. Awesome car, it must be your pride & joy. :smiley:
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Black probably shows the most dirt, chips and watermarks as it is the most mirror like of colours.
Simple answer to watermarks is to use a DI water filter for washing the car.
What DI water filter do you use Rebecca? Presumably that is just for the final rinse?
Having trouble with water marks as the weather warms up and parts of the car dry before I can get to them with my Wo Wo drying micro fibre towels! Hot bodywork dries out pretty quick.
I use the Raceglaze 7 litre one which is £99 and comes filled with resin.
http://www.raceglaze.co.uk/race-glaze/400-litre-0ppm-car-washing-filter/
Before I got it I thought I would only use it for the final open ended hose rinse, but the reality is that water spots often form before that stage during snow foaming and the 2 bucket wash. So I use it for every wet aspect of the car wash including filling up the snow foam bottle and the wash and rinse and wheel bucket - then all pressure washing and the final rinse. Obviously it will cost more in terms of replacing the resin but I started using mine from 1st Oct last year and only had to replace the resin at the 7 month point. I am washing it more frequently now than throughout the winter so I anticipate I will need to replace it towards the autumn time. But that means it will need 2 refills per year which, to me, is a price worth paying for a water spot free car. The resin refills from Raceglaze are not cheap at £45 a time, but you can buy alternative ones such as this which are much more cost effective.
http://www.cleaningspot.co.uk/acatalog/De-Ionising_resin_and_water_softener_resin.html
I spent the last few years racing round the car in summer trying to beat the sun and never again. Having a water filter makes for a stress free washing. I still use my WoWo towels to dab it dry (plus a blower) as leaving it to drip dry just seems wrong. But it is so much more of a relaxed affair these days. :smiley:
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well said Booth, looking at the photos of your car you definitely know what you are talking about when it comes to getting the best results with black paint work. Awesome car, it must be your pride & joy. :smiley:
Thanks. :smiley: I would be exactly the same if I had a silver car, or any colour.
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well said Booth, looking at the photos of your car you definitely know what you are talking about when it comes to getting the best results with black paint work. Awesome car, it must be your pride & joy. :smiley:
Thanks. :smiley: I would be exactly the same if I had a silver car, or any colour.
I think it's called OCD and I have a touch of it too :laugh:
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I agree. Black is awesome clean, but I found myself cleaning the car more often and for longer periods trying to get every last bit of visible dirt. I have gone from a less stringent cleaning process and taking well over 4 hours to having a proper detailing cleaning process including snow foam pre-wash, applying conserver etc, and taking less than 1.5 hours.
What cleaning process do you following. Do you follow the detailing process of lambs wool mitts, snow foam pre-wash etc,. Or do you use the good old fashioned sponge and halfords special wash & wax.
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Yeah I can't settle unless it's spotless so snow foam , lambs mitt, pressure wash , two washes, four drying towels and depending on how I feel maybe a wax too....normally two to three hours.
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I am a detaling lover :nerd:
My 2013 GTI - Pure White - always looked dirty as I never washed it (October 13 - March 14) so me lazy as I was changing the car almost immediately to be honest.
2014 R - Lapiz Blue - when clean, very nice but the swirls were a nightmare and very visible always. Sold it for a profit.
2015 R - Tornado Red - easy peasy, but bland. Sold to pay for my AMG.
My new everyday GTI is Pure White - and will stay clean - most of the year I hope :rolleyes:
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Besides,everyone knows white cars are faster :grin:
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Besides,everyone knows white cars are faster :grin:
And that white car drivers are deluded. :laugh:
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The current GTI seems to suit all available colours, for different reasons. The darker colours look very smart and upmarket, while lighter colours tend to add slightly more emphasis to the sportier touches (strakes and grille). I was very impressed with TT's car and Tungsten Silver is possibly the best combination of all these elements........plus ease of maintenance gives it bonus pointsO:-)
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You can't beat a beautifully cared for swirl free black car. It's the best colour bar none if it's immaculately maintained. My previous car was a black TT and although I like to think that I really look after my cars, keeping it looking good became the most frustrating thankless task. No matter what you do (with the exception of machine polisher which I have no experience with), it is impossible to avoid swirl marks or holographs. I'd wash it at least twice a week and on occasion 4-5 hrs at a time, but as soon as it was washed a thin layer of dust would settle on it. :angry: :angry:
As difficult as it was for me, I decided to go white for the GTI, my first non black car for many years. It is so much easier to keep clean and doesn't need anywhere near as much time spent on it which frees me up to do other things, most of which revolve round my 9 month old son.
I'm sure I'll go back to black at some point but I don't see it being for quite a while.
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Bit of an Amy Whinehouse moment there Craig!
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I use the Raceglaze 7 litre one which is £99 and comes filled with resin.
http://www.raceglaze.co.uk/race-glaze/400-litre-0ppm-car-washing-filter/
Before I got it I thought I would only use it for the final open ended hose rinse, but the reality is that water spots often form before that stage during snow foaming and the 2 bucket wash. So I use it for every wet aspect of the car wash including filling up the snow foam bottle and the wash and rinse and wheel bucket - then all pressure washing and the final rinse. Obviously it will cost more in terms of replacing the resin but I started using mine from 1st Oct last year and only had to replace the resin at the 7 month point. I am washing it more frequently now than throughout the winter so I anticipate I will need to replace it towards the autumn time. But that means it will need 2 refills per year which, to me, is a price worth paying for a water spot free car. The resin refills from Raceglaze are not cheap at £45 a time, but you can buy alternative ones such as this which are much more cost effective.
http://www.cleaningspot.co.uk/acatalog/De-Ionising_resin_and_water_softener_resin.html
I spent the last few years racing round the car in summer trying to beat the sun and never again. Having a water filter makes for a stress free washing. I still use my WoWo towels to dab it dry (plus a blower) as leaving it to drip dry just seems wrong. But it is so much more of a relaxed affair these days. :smiley:
Thanks for that.
Although I've found recently even the rain is giving me water spots.
How do you know when your resin has run out?
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.......... You get water marks!
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I use the Raceglaze 7 litre one which is £99 and comes filled with resin.
http://www.raceglaze.co.uk/race-glaze/400-litre-0ppm-car-washing-filter/
Before I got it I thought I would only use it for the final open ended hose rinse, but the reality is that water spots often form before that stage during snow foaming and the 2 bucket wash. So I use it for every wet aspect of the car wash including filling up the snow foam bottle and the wash and rinse and wheel bucket - then all pressure washing and the final rinse. Obviously it will cost more in terms of replacing the resin but I started using mine from 1st Oct last year and only had to replace the resin at the 7 month point. I am washing it more frequently now than throughout the winter so I anticipate I will need to replace it towards the autumn time. But that means it will need 2 refills per year which, to me, is a price worth paying for a water spot free car. The resin refills from Raceglaze are not cheap at £45 a time, but you can buy alternative ones such as this which are much more cost effective.
http://www.cleaningspot.co.uk/acatalog/De-Ionising_resin_and_water_softener_resin.html
I spent the last few years racing round the car in summer trying to beat the sun and never again. Having a water filter makes for a stress free washing. I still use my WoWo towels to dab it dry (plus a blower) as leaving it to drip dry just seems wrong. But it is so much more of a relaxed affair these days. :smiley:
Thanks for that.
Although I've found recently even the rain is giving me water spots.
How do you know when your resin has run out?
.......... You get water marks!
.......You get water marks! :grin:
Seriously Stevie that is the main indicator. And it happens suddenly so no real early warning, one wash there were no marks, the next there were tons. :shocked: Fortunately I had a replacement bag of resin ready to go straight in. You could invest in a water hardness meter and do regular checks on the ppm of the water to give you a warning of when the resin is nearing it's end. I think I will do this. The other thing you really need is a funnel that fits the top of the water meter. Raceglaze sell one as down that cleaningspot website, otherwise it's a messy job. And the screw thread on the top of the filter vessel can be a right pig to unscrew. But still all worth it. :smiley:
Yes I've also noticed water spotting from the rain. Never really had that before - worrying!
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.......... You get water marks!
:grin: I didn't have a clue what you were talking about at first.
Thanks Bec. I'm definitely going to look into it. Water spots from the rain is a worry though as it makes any extra equipment you have as pointless.
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Thanks Bec. I'm definitely going to look into it. Water spots from the rain is a worry though as it makes any extra equipment you have as pointless.
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I blame it on Europe, that European rain coming over here and marking our cars :whistle:
I think things will change if we vote out, plus if things go tits-up here in the UK I can always go home :grin:
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.......... You get water marks!
:grin: I didn't have a clue what you were talking about at first.
Thanks Bec. I'm definitely going to look into it. Water spots from the rain is a worry though as it makes any extra equipment you have as pointless.
Yes, (seriously!) it does happen quite often. I believe the worst case is when the wind is blowing from the south, right across Europe, and brings up sand from the Sahara. Sometimes that results in red watermarks. Not a lot you can do about that, except keep the car in the garage!
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Kind of wish I'd got Tungsten silver metallic after seeing it tutha day!
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You can't beat a beautifully cared for swirl free black car. It's the best colour bar none if it's immaculately maintained. My previous car was a black TT and although I like to think that I really look after my cars, keeping it looking good became the most frustrating thankless task. No matter what you do (with the exception of machine polisher which I have no experience with), it is impossible to avoid swirl marks or holographs. I'd wash it at least twice a week and on occasion 4-5 hrs at a time, but as soon as it was washed a thin layer of dust would settle on it. :angry: :angry:
As difficult as it was for me, I decided to go white for the GTI, my first non black car for many years. It is so much easier to keep clean and doesn't need anywhere near as much time spent on it which frees me up to do other things, most of which revolve round my 9 month old son.
I'm sure I'll go back to black at some point but I don't see it being for quite a while.
My previous metallic and standard black only really looked good once a year, thats about the cycle of me giving any of my cars some real attention, outside of that they could look pretty shabby.
But do agree Black is an amazing colour when pristine as Rebecca prove, but we all not Rebecca
My present white has been the easiest to maintain as two buckets and some tar remover had it looking pretty gleaming this weekend and between its next TLC it does hold up pretty well as the dirt coverage just dulls the white opposed to standing out for all to see and of course no swirls.
However, have selected the Lapiz and do realise that will have to up my game to keep the effect but having looked at pretty much all the R colours in the flesh it was in the end the only colour felt could choose being its signature colour for the R
My favourite colour is the CSG and if not moved to the R would have 100% selected it.
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You can't beat a beautifully cared for swirl free black car. It's the best colour bar none if it's immaculately maintained. My previous car was a black TT and although I like to think that I really look after my cars, keeping it looking good became the most frustrating thankless task. No matter what you do (with the exception of machine polisher which I have no experience with), it is impossible to avoid swirl marks or holographs. I'd wash it at least twice a week and on occasion 4-5 hrs at a time, but as soon as it was washed a thin layer of dust would settle on it. :angry: :angry:
As difficult as it was for me, I decided to go white for the GTI, my first non black car for many years. It is so much easier to keep clean and doesn't need anywhere near as much time spent on it which frees me up to do other things, most of which revolve round my 9 month old son.
I'm sure I'll go back to black at some point but I don't see it being for quite a while.
What Craig said, I had a lovely black Megane RS265 and when I first got it I had it professionally detailed and really tried to keep on top of it which was difficult living in a flat / apartment so eventually swirls and dust would gather, waterspots all the time....when it was immaculate it was the best looking car around. I've gone for a carbon grey GTI which is still a dark colour but not as difficult i think as maintaining black