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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Golf mk7 GTD/TDI => Topic started by: Happy Hippo on 03 March 2016, 13:19
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Has anyone else noticed or have I missed a thread but VW seem to have changed the economy & CO2 figures for the GTD. The manual is now 114 CO2 and 64.2 combined as opposed to 109 CO2 and 67.3 when I bought mine and the DSG has gone from 119 CO2 with 62.8 to 124-127 CO2 and 60.1. Since I'm not aware of any mechanical changes I presume its a re-test caused by dieselgate. Figures are at http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-gti-vii/which-model/engines/overview
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Thats terrible!
BTW DSG has two figures, which will be for 3 door and 5 door... as before.
Previously the manual was 108g/km, now at 114g/km thats up one BIK band.
It's only 1% difference in BIK but the reason why you see a lot of GTD's is that they (were) fantastically effecient tax wise as a company car...
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Ahh, I noticed the DSG 5 door had vanished from the company car list in work. To qualify for the scheme they have to be under 120.
Mind you through the works scheme a fully maintained and insured (the only option) GTD 5 door with met paint would cost the thick end of £380 - 400 a month on a 24 month 10,000 a year contract against a lease from CVL which would be masses cheaper.
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Company cars are only tax efficient if you do high mileage really. The sort of scenario where the private lease company's just laugh at you, like 20k and upwards...
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Ahh, I noticed the DSG 5 door had vanished from the company car list in work. To qualify for the scheme they have to be under 120.
Mind you through the works scheme a fully maintained and insured (the only option) GTD 5 door with met paint would cost the thick end of £380 - 400 a month on a 24 month 10,000 a year contract against a lease from CVL which would be masses cheaper.
5-door DSG has always been over 120g/ km Co2 oddly, but looks like they've all slightly risen now
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They should be more honest and publish a combined MPG of 45.That goes for all of the other manufacturers too.
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They should be more honest and publish a combined MPG of 45.That goes for all of the other manufacturers too.
mpg is such a driver variable though, a standard test is what we have at the moment, so an equal playing field between all manufacturers. They need to tweak the test to make it realistic, but how do you define the "average" driver? Right now the current test is miles off reality - the test has the car static far more than most would be in their commute (24% of the 11 minute test run), but when moving, the driving part of the test run is far more smooth/linear than most can hope to achieve when faced with traffic lights and roundabouts.
I found the pre-start/stop figures gave a much more realistic expectation of mpg.
I can get 32/33mpg in my R without driving like a nun, mainly due to the fact that most of my driving is on dual carriageways that are busy enough to keep me down to 70mph for my 20 mile commute. Last night I was an hour late leaving work and the roads were much clearer, I did 80mph most of the way and my mpg dropped to just under 30mpg (no hardship in an R) for the trip. If I went to work in the middle of rush hour, i'd be lucky to see 27mpg. That's just the variation of traffic volume n the exact same route. When you take in account driving style and shorter journeys as well as temp/humidity variation in the seasons you've got a real mixed bag.
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They should be more honest and publish a combined MPG of 45.That goes for all of the other manufacturers too.
mpg is such a driver variable though, a standard test is what we have at the moment, so an equal playing field between all manufacturers. They need to tweak the test to make it realistic, but how do you define the "average" driver? Right now the current test is miles off reality - the test has the car static far more than most would be in their commute (24% of the 11 minute test run), but when moving, the driving part of the test run is far more smooth/linear than most can hope to achieve when faced with traffic lights and roundabouts.
I found the pre-start/stop figures gave a much more realistic expectation of mpg.
I can get 32/33mpg in my R without driving like a nun, mainly due to the fact that most of my driving is on dual carriageways that are busy enough to keep me down to 70mph for my 20 mile commute. Last night I was an hour late leaving work and the roads were much clearer, I did 80mph most of the way and my mpg dropped to just under 30mpg (no hardship in an R) for the trip. If I went to work in the middle of rush hour, i'd be lucky to see 27mpg. That's just the variation of traffic volume n the exact same route. When you take in account driving style and shorter journeys as well as temp/humidity variation in the seasons you've got a real mixed bag.
Very true.It is a standard test so manufacturers just see it as a licence to polish the turd.
I got a video e mail from my dealer the other day.6 months on and asking if everything was ok.I was tempted to send him one back saying everything was just fine- apart from the gigantic mis-selling mpg porkie pie VW sold me. :angry:
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Company cars are only tax efficient if you do high mileage really. The sort of scenario where the private lease company's just laugh at you, like 20k and upwards...
Nobody in my company really gets a company car allowance aside from a few senior managers who are on the road a lot but they offer a lease scheme for fully maintained and insured cars whereby you pay less deductions from pay as it reduces your pre tax pay or pre stamp pay or something. I don't know anyone who's ever taken it up but I'm sure a Fiesta or something might be attractive to those wanting a known automotive monthly budget in the same way people pay over the odds on phone contracts. Convenience.
Ahh, I noticed the DSG 5 door had vanished from the company car list in work. To qualify for the scheme they have to be under 120.
Mind you through the works scheme a fully maintained and insured (the only option) GTD 5 door with met paint would cost the thick end of £380 - 400 a month on a 24 month 10,000 a year contract against a lease from CVL which would be masses cheaper.
5-door DSG has always been over 120g/ km Co2 oddly, but looks like they've all slightly risen now
I've never really taken any notice of the scheme before as it's been a low key thing but they sent us all emails highlighting it recently. From your info the 5 door DSG would never have been on the scheme then.
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It's 150g/co2 for cars on the scheme where I work and its also non contributory from the employer. The most important things for a lease scheme are price and co2's as they affect your p11d figures come end of year. You'll also get a lower tax code the following year so you're cheap lease car actually doesn't become that cheap overall. Does depend on the individual scheme though.
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You'll also get a lower tax code the following year so you're cheap lease car actually doesn't become that cheap overall.
That's how they apply the BIK taxation... its not a fiddle, its just how the tax is collected. For anyone on PAYE the tax code is the only way extra tax can be collected (or in work benefits paid)
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Still the GTD is very low in CO2 - at least on paper. Probably will get one as an estate as my next company car - the Subaru Levorg would be a nice car but with CO2 of 164 it is simply not feasible as BIK with near 30k assumed as P11D list price (same as the Subaru diesels where they are much too honest).
BIK tax is just theft anyway, not taking into account that most miles you do in it is for business and not private (and assuming list price throughout hire period though it'll be worth less than a week old salad when it goes back with well over 100k on the clock at 3 yrs old).
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Looks like they haven't touched the figures on the GTD estate...yet.
And before you decide if a 115g/km oil burner is for you for the next 3 years, I'd take a look at the projected BIK rates - they are published out to 2020.
By the time you get to 2020 you'll need to be using some sort of PHEV if you aren't going to be bleeding money from your eyes just so you can drive a mid sized oil burner.
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Company cars are only tax efficient if you do high mileage really. The sort of scenario where the private lease company's just laugh at you, like 20k and upwards...
Nobody in my company really gets a company car allowance aside from a few senior managers who are on the road a lot but they offer a lease scheme for fully maintained and insured cars whereby you pay less deductions from pay as it reduces your pre tax pay or pre stamp pay or something. I don't know anyone who's ever taken it up but I'm sure a Fiesta or something might be attractive to those wanting a known automotive monthly budget in the same way people pay over the odds on phone contracts. Convenience.
It DOES make sense if you are able to avoid paying your own excess mileage charges (the company paying) and you do a load of miles - doesn't have to be business miles, just someone who actually uses a car.
It makes less sense if you do a handful of miles a year...
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Company cars are only tax efficient if you do high mileage really. The sort of scenario where the private lease company's just laugh at you, like 20k and upwards...
Nobody in my company really gets a company car allowance aside from a few senior managers who are on the road a lot but they offer a lease scheme for fully maintained and insured cars whereby you pay less deductions from pay as it reduces your pre tax pay or pre stamp pay or something. I don't know anyone who's ever taken it up but I'm sure a Fiesta or something might be attractive to those wanting a known automotive monthly budget in the same way people pay over the odds on phone contracts. Convenience.
It DOES make sense if you are able to avoid paying your own excess mileage charges (the company paying) and you do a load of miles - doesn't have to be business miles, just someone who actually uses a car.
It makes less sense if you do a handful of miles a year...
I looked into it a bit more and it's not strictly a company car scheme. They offered one of those a few years ago but the proviso was it had to be a really "low carbon" car to offset some of our commercial vehicles so I'll assume an attempt at getting business tax down? I didn't really pay any attention at the time. I think it was stillborn anyway.
This seems more like a general staff benefit thing that any staff can apply for, an expensive lease but the money is taken out of pre tax income so you pay fractionally less tax and stamp. Company car taxes don't apply. No different really to those other staff perk schemes that use loopholes such as "cycle to work"
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I looked into it a bit more and it's not strictly a company car scheme. They offered one of those a few years ago but the proviso was it had to be a really "low carbon" car to offset some of our commercial vehicles so I'll assume an attempt at getting business tax down? I didn't really pay any attention at the time. I think it was stillborn anyway.
This seems more like a general staff benefit thing that any staff can apply for, an expensive lease but the money is taken out of pre tax income so you pay fractionally less tax and stamp. Company car taxes don't apply. No different really to those other staff perk schemes that use loopholes such as "cycle to work"
No, its a salary sacrifice scheme if the payment is taken out from gross pay.
All salary sacrifice car schemes attract BIK taxation - or should do.
Loads of details about why you'd bother, what's in it for the company and the employees, here:
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/fleet-management/salary-sacrifice/10-things-to-know-salary-sacrifice
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Company cars are only tax efficient if you do high mileage really. The sort of scenario where the private lease company's just laugh at you, like 20k and upwards...
I disagree with this. I've got a company car and my mileage has decreased massively. I now do about 10k a year.
a 15 plate GTD with full maintenance and tyres costs me the equivalent of £97 a month....could i buy/lease, tax, insure and run a car for that?! Hell no!
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97 quid! I have no idea how on earth your company can let you have a GTD for that!
That's a fraction of what I pay!
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97 quid! I have no idea how on earth your company can let you have a GTD for that!
That's a fraction of what I pay!
Perhaps we are talking about differing schemes. That £97 is what it costs me in tax.
Under the terms of my contract, the company lease me a car and it costs them about £350 per month and then i am taxed on the benefit. I just have to pay for fuel (unless its business mileage and then i claim it back)
For me its a great deal. I used to do 35k per year so i had the car, then i moved position and its a lot more office based but the car remained in my contract. For that cost i would be mad to have it removed!
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On another note, it seems the government haven't changed there Co2 figures as they are still showing 109
http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/search-new-or-used-cars.aspx
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Ahhh ok, yes, you are just paying the BIK (at 20%), not also for the lease via a salary sacrifice scheme.
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I found this earlier today while searching for something else...
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufacturer-news/2016/02/23/vw-emissions-fleets-will-be-able-to-cancel-orders
Explains what we noticed...
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Where I work we have salary sacrifice normal, salary sacrifice net both non contributory from the employer, old way lease scheme that another part of the payroll contributes for the employee. They are all company cars in a different guise but getting some people at work to realise this is a total pain. They ring up hmrc and tell them they don't have a company car and its a car they contribute to which then buggers up their tax code. It's a company car even though we don't as an employer contribute to it.