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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Sootchucker on 29 February 2016, 11:35
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Long post I’m afraid
Hi all, and a good morning to you all. Had a bit of a strange weekend. Was invited by my local dealer to attend a special (by invitation only) VIP event this weekend, which was supposed to be a one off weekend where the dealership is closed to the general public, and just those invited can come and look at some new cars with (and I quote), “never to be repeated deals”.
Well the wife and I accepted the invite and tootled along on Sunday, to be honest not really expecting much – a bit of sales patter and maybe a few hundred quid of various cars etc. In any case, I went armed with my Ipad which had all the quotes on it from Drive the deal, orange wheels and Car Wow, for which I’d got prices a month or so ago on two new cars – a GTI to replace my GTD and a new Polo Blue GT to replace, well the current Blue GT.
The cheapest quotes on both cars were funnily enough from Car Wow. So I sat with the same sales man that I bought our last 6 VW’s from, and went straight for the jugular and said, these are the specs and these are the prices you need to beat to get us to swap our existing cars and order new. Anyway to cut a very long story short, they not only did it, but obliterated Car Wow’s quote, by over £1,450 on the Golf and £1,150 on the Polo. Basically for the spec we ordered, they gave us the loyalty bonus, and extra on the Day £500, as well as VW finance contributions amounting to 16.1% off the GTI list, and 16.2% off the Polo.
Now I thought here’s the challenge, my car is currently in negative equity (based upon Part ex quotes received from Car Wow directly), to the tune of nearly £1100.00 on the GTD, and about £400 on the wife’s current Blue GT. Well they want away and offered my £500 over my current settlement figure on the Golf (which they got off the system) and nearly £800 more on the wife’s Polo than she owes, and they have fixed the part ex prices until both cars arrives. Obviously as more payments are made, the debt decreases and the collateral increases on both cars.
Finally to top it all, we got 2 years servicing thrown in, Cherished plate transfers on both cars done, free mats for the Polo (they come as standard on the Golf). Total payments are only £40 more per month than I currently pay and £20 for the wife (so not massive) with £5k down on the Golf and £3.5k down on the Polo (less deposit than we paid on the current cars !)
So to cut a very long boring story short, despite the wife and I agreeing recently that we would keep both cars and pay off the PCP (which we have the money for the final balloon payments already for), we have ordered two new cars.
I’ve ordered a GTI, 5 door, DSG, Carbon Steel Grey, 19” Santiago’s (although I’m considering going back to the standard 18” alloys), Tech Pack, Parking Pack, High Beam assist, dynamic chassis control.
The wife has ordered a Polo Blue GT, 3 door, DSG, Blue Silk metallic, Xenon Headlights, climate control, winter pack, convenience pack, parking sensors front/rear, air bag deactivation switch, Discover Navigation, App connect, Adaptive cruise control (as we love this on the Golf).
Happy days. Just need to NOT keep checking the tracker twice daily as I did before as that just drove me nuts!
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Sounds like two cracking deals.
BTW for your other "questions" yes the Discover Pro comes with App connect and if you get the wheels and don't like them I have a GTd coming with standard 18's and I might do a deal with you with a wad of cash your way obviously.
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Fantastic deals, congrats! I for one am looking forward to your comparison between GTI and GTD after you've had chance to run it in.
Great specs on both motors too!
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Thanks guys. Nothing wrong with the current cars at all, but will be 3 years old in 3 months for the wife and 6 months for me, so I know that there would be no more warranty (so an expense), no more servicing FOC, would need MOT's etc. Also as I said whilst we have the money, we would have had to pay £24,000 to pay off the PCP's on both cars (which we were willing to do), but I'd rather just pay £8.5k now and have the other £15,500 sat in our savings account :grin:
Couple that with the fact that my mileage has dropped to around 8,500 a year, and a diesel makes a little less sense, and I think the added fuel consumption of the GTI wouldn't hit the wallet too hard ?
I drive my GTD quite sedately (getting old and roads too congested), so I'm averaging around 43mpg now (with the cold weather) and around 47 mpg (ish) overall in the summer. I also did a 500 mile round trip to Scotland over the weekend and averaged 55mpg dead (done on refilling the car). So I'm hoping that an average MPG for the GTi will be around 33-35 (?) so around 70-80 miles less or around £9.30 a fill up - not the end of the world.
I'm also hoping that cruising at 65-70, a GTI will see high thirties / low forties on a good motorway run, so only around 10-15mpg lower than the GTD (or am I dreaming) ?
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Some good deals out there. VW must be hurting. Cars are still great though! Nice result at the right time for you.
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Thanks guys. Nothing wrong with the current cars at all, but will be 3 years old in 3 months for the wife and 6 months for me, so I know that there would be no more warranty (so an expense), no more servicing FOC, would need MOT's etc. Also as I said whilst we have the money, we would have had to pay £24,000 to pay off the PCP's on both cars (which we were willing to do), but I'd rather just pay £8.5k now and have the other £15,500 sat in our savings account :grin:
Couple that with the fact that my mileage has dropped to around 8,500 a year, and a diesel makes a little less sense, and I think the added fuel consumption of the GTI wouldn't hit the wallet too hard ?
I drive my GTD quite sedately (getting old and roads too congested), so I'm averaging around 43mpg now (with the cold weather) and around 47 mpg (ish) overall in the summer. I also did a 500 mile round trip to Scotland over the weekend and averaged 55mpg dead (done on refilling the car). So I'm hoping that an average MPG for the GTi will be around 33-35 (?) so around 70-80 miles less or around £9.30 a fill up - not the end of the world.
I'm also hoping that cruising at 65-70, a GTI will see high thirties / low forties on a good motorway run, so only around 10-15mpg lower than the GTD (or am I dreaming) ?
Will be good to hear your qualified positives and negatives of the GTi when it arrives. I drive sedately most of the time and my long term (10k) avg is 38mpg, so it shouldn't hit too hard.
Is it a Performance Pack GTi or?
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No, standard non PP Jackie, the PP was just a stretch too far, and to be honest for my style of driving, I doubt the electronic diff and bigger brakes and 10ps would make much of a difference to me (although the front brakes do look well cool).
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MPG-wise, I live in a rural area with some quite marvellous B-Roads, and I must admit I do drive rather enthusiastically on a regular basis. That said I also do some sedate miles with the family in the car so it's a varied spectrum of driving. My average over the last 2500 miles is 34.7 according to the car.
On a long run at 65-70mph, 42mpg is easily achievable. I'd be fairly confident at saying that for 8,500 miles per year, you won't even notice the increase in fuel usage. Plus, it will be worth it to hear the nice throaty burble and upshift farts of the motor/gearbox!
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That's what I'm hoping Birchy :smiley:
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I too am a relaxed driver (OH might say old and grumpy) and have seen 45mpg on a long slow motorway run, 40-42 when in a hurry! Long term average also currently around 38 which I think is excellent.
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Ooh, I'll have some of that Watts - me likey those sort of figures :laugh:
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My commute is only 5.3 miles and I can still get 32mpg, 26ish in the really cold weather if I've let it warm up first. I don't think you'll be disappointed, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised :smiley:
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Hi sootchucker (I am new to this forum but remember you from the Scirocco ones!) - Just one thing you might want to check - I ordered a GTI two weeks ago and was told that I might not get the loyalty bonus as the small print says the car has to be delivered by the end of May and although I am still waiting for an order number so I can check, they told me it might be mid June before I get mine. I protested that it should be based on order date not delivery but they would not budge.
Peter.
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Hi sootchucker (I am new to this forum but remember you from the Scirocco ones!) - Just one thing you might want to check - I ordered a GTI two weeks ago and was told that I might not get the loyalty bonus as the small print says the car has to be delivered by the end of May and although I am still waiting for an order number so I can check, they told me it might be mid June before I get mine. I protested that it should be based on order date not delivery but they would not budge.
Peter.
A while back they were saying that the cars had to be delivered before the end of March. They just move the date and probably will do again.
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Hi sootchucker (I am new to this forum but remember you from the Scirocco ones!) - Just one thing you might want to check - I ordered a GTI two weeks ago and was told that I might not get the loyalty bonus as the small print says the car has to be delivered by the end of May and although I am still waiting for an order number so I can check, they told me it might be mid June before I get mine. I protested that it should be based on order date not delivery but they would not budge.
Peter.
Reckon you'd be very unlucky not to get your car by end of May. I ordered mine on 16th of Jan, and it's confirmed for production this week, which means I should get it around the beginning of April. Projecting that, you should get yours around the beginning of May. Mine is DSG too, which I believe tends to take a little longer.
Agree with you on the conditions for getting the loyalty bonus - very strange. From what I was told, the dealer has no leaway for this and has it reembursed from VW. They have to prove everything too - mine needed a copy of my current GTD's registration document!
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Just did a pointless but interesting non the less exercise re MPG and fuel costs for the new GTI (yeah boring I know). I was just wondering last night if after having 3 diesel's on the run (and thus enjoying over 40mpg every time), if the change to a Petrol GTI would be something I'd regret cost wise ?
I have my current GTD and my older Scirocco both on the Fuelly site, and looked at fuel stats for the Scirocco back in 2013.
According to Fuelly, my average MPG for the Scirocco in 2013 was 45.5mpg, and the average diesel cost per litre was £1.39. For my 8500 per annum travel that equates to £1,180.50 on fuel.
Fast forward to 2016 and the on order GTI, I am anticipating that driving the same way, that I should average around 33mpg (does that sound feasible ?). At current fuel costs of £1.099 for unleaded (round these parts), for the same 8500 miles that equates to an annual fuel cost of £1,181.50. A net increase of only £1.02 per year :laugh: :laugh:
I know one doesn't buy a GTI for economy, but if I could average 33mpg in my normal weekly drive (where the current GTD gets circa 45), and on a good motorway run around 38-40 mpg (where the GTD gets around 50-55mpg), I'd be very happy, as the increase in fuel costs would be negligible.
I.e. for an average of 33mpg (GTI), vs 45mpg (GTD), that's only an additional £323.65 per year (or £27 per month). Think I can live with that.
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If you really do want to drive sedately (65-70mph cruise speed on dual carriageway) you should easily do 33mpg in a GTI. I dont drive sedately in my R and still average 32mpg in the Winter.
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Cheers MH. Out of interest, my fuel cost exercise above was based upon standard unleaded. Something I hadn't considered, can the GTI happily run on normal unleaded (not supermarket brands), or does it have to run on a higher octane fuel ?
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Cheers MH. Out of interest, my fuel cost exercise above was based upon standard unleaded. Something I hadn't considered, can the GTI happily run on normal unleaded (not supermarket brands), or does it have to run on a higher octane fuel ?
Speaking of supermarket fuel, isn't tesco fuel supplied by shell.
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GTI is officially a RON95 running car. The R/S3/Cupra (and likely the forthcoming GTI Clubsport) run on 98 (or 97 or 99, depending who the supplying garage is).
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I ran my GTI quite happily on 95 RON and it felt absolutely no better using the odd few tankfulls of 99.
Economy and performance seemed identical to me.
Low to mid thirties MPG a realistic figure overall. It seems a much more economical engine than the mk5 and 6 GTI's, probably due to the high torque output at low revs meaning you can waft along very easily still covering ground rapidly.
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If I can get mid thirties(ish), I'll be happy, as currently on my regular commute to work I'm "only" getting 42 out of the GTD.
on another point. Now I've just ordered a GTI, it's natural that VW will finally announce the face-lift or new MK8 model for just a week or so after I take delivery of mine. That itself doesn't bother me, as I decided I won't buy into a new model from day one, but give it 1-2 years to mature first (don't think I could stand another 10 month wait for a Golf), so I won't be looking again until 2018 at the earliest. However as I understand it, VW usually have a build year change around CW22 or so each year (or May), which usually adds to or tweaks spec.
Therefore has anyone heard any information on what MY17 changes (if anything) are forthcoming from May onwards, or will VW just wait and announce the facelift for later this year ?
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You can find any number of rumours about supposed face lifts, along with dates for the Mark 8, as I'm sure you know. Distilling all the stuff I've seen, the best bet for me is that the Mark 8 is due to be revealed late this year, so deliveries this time next year. Autocar suggests that there will be what they call "mild hybrids" across the range. I reckon, given such a big change, that the new models will come into the market in stages, as they sometimes have in the past, with the big selling varients coming first and the top end cars, like the GTi, later.
Like you, I wouldn't get an early car anyway. Much better to let others sort the teething problems!
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https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/Volkswagen-Golf-Mk8-2017-price-specs-and-release-date-2367?awc=6159_1456921473_20ed9ec5dbf9775375b25fb2b5401ae1&utm_source=affiliate_window&utm_medium=affiliate
I wonder how accurate this link is..?
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Cheers MH. Out of interest, my fuel cost exercise above was based upon standard unleaded. Something I hadn't considered, can the GTI happily run on normal unleaded (not supermarket brands), or does it have to run on a higher octane fuel ?
Speaking of supermarket fuel, isn't tesco fuel supplied by shell.
The fuel is the same for most if not all, its the additives that vary and Shell would likely not give anyone the additives they use. This counts for all of them I would imagine..
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Exactly,most of the fuel is the same but,the supermarkets buy the cheapest they can find on the open market.
Then they ship it to storage terminals around the country at various docks,then deliver it from there.
They use only a generic additive,where as the fuel companies spend millions developing their's.
The supermarkets also buy some fuel from the big oil companies,but this is a small percentage of their turn over which,gives
them the right to say that it comes from the same place.
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Exactly,most of the fuel is the same but,the supermarkets buy the cheapest they can find on the open market.
Then they ship it to storage terminals around the country at various docks,then deliver it from there.
They use only a generic additive,where as the fuel companies spend millions developing their's.
The supermarkets also buy some fuel from the big oil companies,but this is a small percentage of their turn over which,gives
them the right to say that it comes from the same place.
The fuel companies spend millions marketing with their claims of superiority. Some fuels are better than others, and not always the premium ones. Shell VPower diesel is poor on fuel economy-its cleaner but 8% less calorific than regular. The detergents will get better fuel economy out of an old car that needs a good internal clean, but comes at a huge premium. Shell 99 Momentum is as good as Shell Vpower 99 and markedly better than BPs and Esso's 97 RON premium offerings in my R.
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The average motorist couldn't care less about were the fuel comes from.
Put two sites one premium one not on the same stretch of road,now lower the non premium price by 1p
Per litre.nearly everyone will buy at the cheapest,regardless of quality.
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Forum people get far too hung up about fuel.
It's a new car, it has a warranty. Buy your fuel from a regular fuel station as much as possible and you'll be fine. If your engine blows up VW will take it apart under warranty and if it's proven that it's a fuel issue you have a traceable paper trail to your fuel supplier who can then be persued for costs. That's a worst case scenario and VERY unlikely to happen.
The fuel sold in the UK has to be of a minimum standard so just buy what makes you happy. If you have forum OCD then you'll happily pay extra for premium fuel, if paying as little for something that is literally going to go up in smoke as possible then that's what will make you happy.
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Sootchucker - did a mix of driving today so thought you might be interested in the mpg results. A total of 75 miles, the first 5 were my local commute home from cold, steady driving on local roads with plenty of stopping. Then about 1.5 hour break followed by a 35 mile run on mostly motorway with a long stretch of 50mph roadworks but a breakdown caused a very slow stop/start couple of miles. Same route return after an hour, no hold ups and about 65-70 outside the roadworks. Cold day, 4-6C and averaged bang on 42mpg. A longer journey I'm sure would have got that up another 2-3mpg. Nice touch at one point, all three lanes were taken up by MK7s, me (red 3 dr GTI) on the inside, a white 3dr GTD in the middle and a black 3dr GTI in the outside. I must say, the standard GTD wheels are very smart!
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Surely residuals/second hand values must have also been taking a decent hit if they're prepared to give such large discounts on new cars :lipsrsealed:
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I had a call from my local dealer last night offering to put me in a new GTi/GTd with the same spec for the same price I am paying now on my PCP deal. I'm two years into a three year deal at the moment. I'll pop in and see what they come up with. Seems to me VW seem to be struggling to sell cars at the moment.
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If I can get mid thirties(ish), I'll be happy, as currently on my regular commute to work I'm "only" getting 42 out of the GTD.
Congrats on your deals, soon to be ex-Sootchucker, you'll love the Gti. Have you thought of a new forum name? :wink:
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Interesting you should say that valvebounce :grin:
My situation has today totally changed. Due to changes at work that's happened today, my mileage over the next few years looks likely to increase from my current 8.5-9k per year, to potentially around 18-25k per year. The low mileage was the reason to get the GTI to be honest, as the increase in fuel consumption for my journey would only amount to around £30-40 a month (depending on how I drive it). However with the sudden increase in mileage looking imminent, a change back to another GTD looked favorite, as the fuel costs on the GTI would just mount up.
I spoke to the dealer and he has changed the order (identical spec albeit with Sport and Sound package added for the GTD), and my deposit increase slightly (a few hundred) and monthly payments stay the same as agreed on the GTI - and that's with my mileage set at 20k per annum ?
So deal was done and I've now gone with another GTD rather than a GTI. Guess I should count myself lucky that i found out now and not after everything was locked in.
Bit of a shame as I was looking forward to a petrol after 3 diesel's in a row, but needs must, and driving my current GTD on the motorway today, it still made me smile as I went for the overtake, and TBH, is plenty powerful enough for me (and 48mpg to boot).
C'est la vie. I'm sure there will be a few out there who think I'm making the wrong decision, but it's my money I'm afraid :grin:
So "SOOTCHUCKER" it shall remain !
**edit - correction to finance figures previously quoted)**
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Interesting you should say that valvebounce :grin:
My situation has today changed. Due to changes at work that's happened today, my mileage over the next few years looks likely to increase from my current 8.5-9k per year, to potentially around 18-25k per year. The low mileage was the reason to get the GTI to be honest, as the increase in fuel consumption for my journey would only amount to around £30-40 a month (depending on how I drive it). However with the sudden increase in mileage looking imminent, a change back to another GTD looked favorite, as the fuel costs on the GTI would just mount up.
I spoke to the dealer and he has changed the order (identical spec albeit with Sport and Sound package added for the GTD), and both my deposit and monthly payments drop slightly.
So deal was done and I've now gone with another GTD rather than a GTI. Guess I should count myself lucky that i found out now and not after everything was locked in.
Bit of a shame as I was looking forward to a petrol after 3 diesel's in a row, but needs must, and driving my current GTD on the motorway today, it still made me smile as I went for the overtake, and TBH, is plenty powerful enough for me (and 48mpg to boot).
C'est la vie. I'm sure there will be a few out there who think I'm making the wrong decision, but it's my money I'm afraid :grin:
So "SOOTCHUCKER" it shall remain !
Good choice and as you said better to find out now rather than when it was too late.
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Best choice in the circumstances, would've done the same myself. I wanted a GTI but had I been doing your mileage it'd been out of the question. Hope you enjoy your new motor!
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Ouch! Like you say, that milage change would have cost you plenty with the GTi. Honestly, though, I still get into my current GTD and marvel at what a satisfying car it is to drive, especially when you factor in the economy. With a touch more sparkle, it would be perfect, but no car is perfect, so, hey.......
Maybe next time for you, eh?
I actually admire your sensible approach to this. I reckon I might have thought "Stuff it, I'm having the GTi!"
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At least you won't have to get the brakes painted this time Mr N!
Have you stuck with Carbon Grey?
And Santiagos?
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At least you won't have to get the brakes painted this time Mr N!
Have you stuck with Carbon Grey?
And Santiagos?
I know :grin:
Yes and
Yes
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Nice pair you have again, both are great cars, will beside to my GT go