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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: p3asa on 24 February 2016, 12:06
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There was a grommet where you can see the hole but for some reason its perished. I tried to pull the other part of the grommet out that's still inside but it feels like its attached to something.
I'm presuming its attached to some drainage pipe but not sure.
Anyone know for sure or had their trim off?
I take it the grommet had been rubbing on the rubber liner around the boot hence why its perished.
(http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad28/p3asa1/GTD/20160224_114454_zpsaigwc08a.jpg)
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At an educated guess I'd say that was the drain hole for the badge/boot release/rear camera.
That will be what the tubing leads to Steve.
You'll be able to access it all by taking the tailgate interior trim off.
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At an educated guess I'd say that was the drain hole for the badge/boot release/rear camera.
That will be what the tubing leads to Steve.
You'll be able to access it all by taking the tailgate interior trim off.
Cheers yeah that sounds right.
Its going in for other warranty work so I'll mention it to them but I think they'll tell me its not covered.
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They *should* entertain it as a warranty job I'd think, and it's not exactly as if your car looks uncared for.
However it's only going to be a few quid to fix it and an easy DIY job if they aren't open to a claim.
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They *should* entertain it as a warranty job I'd think, and it's not exactly as if your car looks uncared for.
However it's only going to be a few quid to fix it and an easy DIY job if they aren't open to a claim.
LoL I don't think dismantling that tailgate trim will be easy. That looks a nightmare of a job
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I've not seen my car in daylight all week so will have a look at the weekend.
If the car is going for part ex soon personally I'd not be overly bothered about fixing it - the water will still drain out ok.
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Just had a look at mine and it seems to be up to the standard of the rest of the car, so strange for it to fail. Not as though it does a tough job! Just to be fair to whoever ends up buying the car, I'd tell the dealer when you take it in to get your new one. :whistle:
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Andy its my wifes Audi A1 that we are trying to sell. I'm going to keep the GTD for another 18 months :wink:
@Talk-Torque yeah I'll mention it to them. I think the grommet has been catching on the tailgate rubber and hence why its perished. Its going into the dealer on Monday as water seems to be getting in the boot somehow. I'm now wondering if the tailgate is misaligned, which has caused the grommet to perish and also allow water in.
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Ahhh yes! Id overlooked it was the A1 going. D'oh!
Fingers crossed the dealer will be able to sort it at zero cost.
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This made me look at mine today and mine is also perished to the point of dropping off. In the dealers for service soon so will highlight i.
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Thats interesting C2K.
Mine was perished but still holding together then I literally just poked at it and it crumbled.
Yet there is no sign of rubbing on the corresponding rubber trim.
Thanks for having a look.
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As said, This is the drain for the rear camera. Inside the boot lid is a tube that attaches to the camera and runs to this grommet.
We found out the hard way when fitting RVC's to mk5's back in the day, without this attached, the boot gets wet.
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As said, This is the drain for the rear camera. Inside the boot lid is a tube that attaches to the camera and runs to this grommet.
We found out the hard way when fitting RVC's to mk5's back in the day, without this attached, the boot gets wet.
Cheers.
Do you mean wet as in soaken wet and would you see where the water had been trickling down to the boot?
I only ask as my boot is soaken and I'm starting to wonder if its this thats caused it but there is no trace of anything higher than the boot floor that is wet.
(http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad28/p3asa1/GTD/20160227_125756_zpscdfgnfsc.jpg)
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As said, This is the drain for the rear camera. Inside the boot lid is a tube that attaches to the camera and runs to this grommet.
We found out the hard way when fitting RVC's to mk5's back in the day, without this attached, the boot gets wet.
Cheers.
Do you mean wet as in soaken wet and would you see where the water had been trickling down to the boot?
I only ask as my boot is soaken and I'm starting to wonder if its this thats caused it but there is no trace of anything higher than the boot floor that is wet.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=259354.msg2532346#msg2532346
We found out early enough, not to cause any damage, but water would get into the boot, the grommet is there to act as a fixture for the drain pipe, the pipe attaches to the camera underside and to the grommet. Effectively guiding the water the correct side of the seal.
I seem to remember a chap having problems with the sealing around the hinges. His boot was soaking.
It was in a build thread on here, a red Gti? He was Irish I think.
Found it, post 25 on this thread
http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3266&page=2
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The grommet missing certainly won't help the issue.
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Brilliant great find. I knew I'd read about the same thing somewhere.
He's also posted a thread about it on this forum http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=269686.msg2472945#msg2472945
which I got from searching phrases he'd used on the other forum.
Certainly looks a likely candidate. I'm just hoping VW are aware of the issue as the last time I mentioned a forum / internet thread about a problem I had, the dealer basically told me it was all scare stories on these places and even though it was a fix for something, they refused to acknowledge it.
Thanks again Stokeballoon much appreciated.
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It must drain the cavity around the back of the boot badge/opener, rather than specifically the RVC, as I have a grommet but no RVC.
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It must drain the cavity around the back of the boot badge/opener, rather than specifically the RVC, as I have a grommet but no RVC.
Yeah that makes sense as water will definitely get in around the rear badge whether you have a camera or not.
Although you would think this would be the same across the VW range that has this type of tailgate opening. There is no hole on my daughters tailgate of her Polo yet the water must go somewhere.
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It must drain the cavity around the back of the boot badge/opener, rather than specifically the RVC, as I have a grommet but no RVC.
Yeah that makes sense as water will definitely get in around the rear badge whether you have a camera or not.
Although you would think this would be the same across the VW range that has this type of tailgate opening. There is no hole on my daughters tailgate of her Polo yet the water must go somewhere.
On the mk5, the hole the grommet locates in was there, but covered over with sealant, and there was no water in the boot, the badge only assembly on the 5 has no drain, I can't see the 7 being much different. When we fitted the first camera to a Mk5 we didn't use the grommet and we introduced a leak.
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Hi Stevie,
I'll answer your pm here in case it is of use to sombody else.
The right hinge on my boot was adjusted in the factory. The paint on the bolts had been disturbed. It was late on in the assembly process as there is a scuff on the bumper where the bottom left corner of the boot rubbed off the bumper before adjustment. The dealer said they didn't adjust it during the pdi.
Amazingly, VW rely just on the paint to seal the joint between the boot hinge and the car body. When the right hinge was adjusted, the paint around the left hinge cracked and started to leak. It seemed to leak more when the car was moving rather than parked up. The leak wasn't visible from the inside because the roof trim under the hinge and c pillar trim are hard plastic so don't show any staining etc.
To fix it the dealer loosened the boot hinge and lifted it enough to put in the black sealant visible in the picture. There was enough slack in the cables so there was no need to unplug anything.
I would recommend taking out the carpet from the spare wheel well and drying it indoors. It's fairly obvious how to do this. The 2 bits of plastic that hold up the boot floor at the front have to come out and the trim around the catch for the boot lock. This trim is removed straight up. Do not pull the bottom forward as you will break it. The vehicle data sticker is behind this trim btw.
I've subscribed to the thread so I'll see any other questions. Good luck with the dealers. Hopefully yours is willing to listen to "suggestions".
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Thanks again Kev much appreciated you got back to me.
So the black stuff on your picture is sealant. That makes sense.
I wonder with my grommet perishing its because the tailgate is slightly lower with the grommet hitting the trim and thus leaving room for water to get in the hinge(s)
I'll give the dealer a call in the morning and see what they say to my suggestion.
I've attached your picture here in case its of help to others. Hope that's ok.
Cheers
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Just to update my thread, The dealer has replaced the air vents or words to that effect behind the bumper. He thought the water might have been getting in there. He re did the soak test and the water has come back in overnight. So they were looking at other causes.
I told him about the hinge and the paint acting as a seal and he basically just gave me lip service. "Yeah I'll pass it on" but he didn't seem interested at all.
So that's a full 5 days they have had my car and probably the same again next week :cry:
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Just to update this in case anyone else has the same problem. Got may car back including a nice paint chip on the bonnet and the trim down the windscreen gouged. And that is with me doing a walk round before I left my car!!!
Anyway the water was found to be coming in through the fuel flap filler entrance. They reckoned the drain, not on the rubber but underneath all that was clogged and the water had no way to escape. So was collecting and then running down into the boot. Its all sorted now apparently :rolleyes:
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Cheers for the heads up on the grommet. Getting it sorted under warranty. :)
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Just to update this in case anyone else has the same problem. Got may car back including a nice paint chip on the bonnet and the trim down the windscreen gouged. And that is with me doing a walk round before I left my car!!!
Anyway the water was found to be coming in through the fuel flap filler entrance. They reckoned the drain, not on the rubber but underneath all that was clogged and the water had no way to escape. So was collecting and then running down into the boot. Its all sorted now apparently :rolleyes:
Found myself thinking about this, a while after reading it for the first time. Are they really saying that, if that drain is blocked, then anything in the filler opening could find it's way into the boot? OK if that's water, but it's just as likely to be petrol, surely? Even fumes getting into the boot could be a hazard, so I'm hoping there isn't a passageway between the two.
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Its not the drain hole you see when you open your fuel flap. That is where the petrol would go if you didn't stop filling once it had come up to the neck of the filler.
I spoke with the technician who worked on my car as I wasn't that happy about how he had pulled the door into the frame more to stop the outside noise coming in but that's a different story :laugh:
The way I understood him was, if you open your fuel flap you will see that the plastic shroud isn't sealed to the body of the car. You can move it about slightly. So when its raining and the water is running down the side of your car some is going to make its way into the fuel flap area. Some will drop off and go out through the drainage hole but some will make its way behind the plastic shroud. He told me that's natural and there is a drainage system in there but for some reason mine had been closed over. He never said what with. Probably paint or body sealant. Anyway with that sealed up there was nowhere for the water to go so after it had filled up so far it made its way round to the boot. He said the car has what you could describe as an inner skin and this is usually sealed so nothing can get in but this particular skin compartment had access.
I had an old car a few years back as a run around and every time you braked you could hear what sounded like a bath full of water swishing back and forth :laugh: I never did find out where it was as it didn't cause any problems but probably something similar.
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Thanks for explaining that. Hope whatever they've done solves the problem!
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Noticed the grommet was missing on mine. The pipe is still hovering over the hole so any opinions as to whether it really needs the pipe replacing? If so, does anyone know what the part number is? Cheers :smiley:
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Just replaced mine as the grommet failed months ago and it's been perfectly fine. BUT last time I washed the car I noticed when I opened the hatch water ran down the inside of te rear screen. Looking closer the pipe had moved slightly to one side and draining inside the hatch. I put a slightly longer hose on from a trigger squirt bottle and it is better quality than the oem one and I cut it so it will not disappear inside the tailgate. I have also fixed it in place with a grommet and clear silicone.
This is the rear trip showing the fixing positions after you have removed both of the side trim pieces.....
(https://i.imgur.com/pkDAGYR.jpg)
This is the tube.....
(https://i.imgur.com/hZAZyMG.jpg)
Tube exiting tailgate.
(https://i.imgur.com/QjHzzH7.jpg)
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Thanks for that Finglonga, very useful. I shall ponder what to do, but at least now I know I do have to sort it. I don't understand why they break, can't see where the stress comes from.
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I think it is because the pipe is too short and puts extra stress on the very thin grommet. The tube is not the best quality either so I upgrades both as I said. There is no movement in mine now and I added a grommet just to protect the end of the pipe.
(https://i.imgur.com/6oGHRXV.jpg)
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Thanks again for that. I think I'll replace oem to start with so at least when I dismantle the tailgate I know it will be fixed on that go but will use the broken part to source an upgrade for the future. Cheers :smiley:
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I think the rubber pipe perishes rather than breaks.
It seemed to crumble for me.
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It is a plastic pipe and a cheap rubber grommet that is too small to do the job. It is not if it fails it is when. I will try to find the old one and post a picture of it later.
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I had the same grommit perish and drop out of the hole on the underneath edge of the tailgate. I took my car in to the dealer and they replaced it no questions asked. Apparently its common for the grommit to drop out of the hole.
The first time I notice it was missing was when i had washed my car and noticed water trickling down the side of the tailgate from the seam of the plastic inside cover when the tailgate was open. I now have the new one fitted and no problems with water trickles inside the boot since. I can confirm also the grommit is to hold the drainage tube in place.
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As promised.....
(https://i.imgur.com/RGoKUSy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XuolRiW.jpg)
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Thanks again for all your good advice Finglonga. I went for the simple option in the end and my dealer is going to replace it under warranty. I realise at some point it'll need doing again but it'll be a few years off yet. I might have a flying car by then :laugh:
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Sod's law meant mine went out of warranty, glad you got it sorted.
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I'm hoping someone can help..I have found that my car is missing the drain tube and I am collecting one from my local garage tomorrow.
However the roof of my car at back is damp. Does anyone have any clue why it would be leaking at the top of my boot?
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I'm hoping someone can help..I have found that my car is missing the drain tube and I am collecting one from my local garage tomorrow.
However the roof of my car at back is damp. Does anyone have any clue why it would be leaking at the top of my boot?
Do you mean the headlining or the top of the tailgate? If it is the headlining could it be the seal for the satnav aerial is leaking? The other option which has been reported before is the tailgate hinges where they fit on the car can leak.
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I'm hoping someone can help..I have found that my car is missing the drain tube and I am collecting one from my local garage tomorrow.
However the roof of my car at back is damp. Does anyone have any clue why it would be leaking at the top of my boot?
There are a couple of places it could be leaking. The most common I’ve found is the rubber boots that take the wiring etc between the tailgate and roof. If you check them gently see if either is slightly loose as the clips can break and allow water to enter underneath them. My offside one is like that so need to order one tomorrow. When I washed the car I noticed water running down the C pillar trim.
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I'm hoping someone can help..I have found that my car is missing the drain tube and I am collecting one from my local garage tomorrow.
However the roof of my car at back is damp. Does anyone have any clue why it would be leaking at the top of my boot?
Do you mean the headlining or the top of the tailgate? If it is the headlining could it be the seal for the satnav aerial is leaking? The other option which has been reported before is the tailgate hinges where they fit on the car can leak.
Cheers for your reply.
The headlining is damp at the back near the boot. I've taken the pillar trim off but not completely sure what I am looking at to fix it or see what's faulty. I am missing the drain tube at the bottom of the boot door though. So I've got water leaking at the top and running down the pillar trim to the spare wheel well.
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I'm hoping someone can help..I have found that my car is missing the drain tube and I am collecting one from my local garage tomorrow.
However the roof of my car at back is damp. Does anyone have any clue why it would be leaking at the top of my boot?
There are a couple of places it could be leaking. The most common I’ve found is the rubber boots that take the wiring etc between the tailgate and roof. If you check them gently see if either is slightly loose as the clips can break and allow water to enter underneath them. My offside one is like that so need to order one tomorrow. When I washed the car I noticed water running down the C pillar trim.
Cheers for your reply.
Will check the rubber boots tomorrow. If checked them and they seemed okay, maybe there is something I've missed.
I've had the same problem with my pillar trim, seems to flow through it and down to spare wheel well. When I removed all the back pillar trim, poured water over the car and then opened and shut my boot the water dripped inside (drivers side).
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A handy guide for the repair is listed here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbuh08bV144&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbuh08bV144&feature=youtu.be)
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After giving the car a good clean last weekend, I noticed that the spare wheel well was very wet. On closer inspection the grommet for the VW badge drain on the tailgate is very perished. After calling a couple of local VW dealers, I can't get hold of the part due to the current lockdown issues. Although the car isn't being driven much at the moment I'd still very much like this resolved sooner rather than later.
I'm happy to get some hose and a grommet, however I'm not sure of sizing when it comes to the grommet. Is anyone able to point me in the right direction for buying the parts to sort this?
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I’m sure before I got mine from a dealer I saw them on eBay?
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Search for Coverdale parts on Facebook
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Highland28 - have a look here: https://vwsupply.co.uk/filter/part?part=510+827+861
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Thank you for each of the suggestions above. Order put in through the link provided by Watts. Should be here in a few days, hopefully.
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I noticed that something fell off mine last night when I closed boot, did some looking and indeed the rubber grommet from the drain pipe has perished, this morning I have been in the cupboard looking for an old curly straw the hard plastic type which the drink goes round and round before entering the mouth,you know what I mean probably, anyway I’ve cut a small straight piece of the straw abour 3/4 inch and pushed it up the pipe, very good fit , then put the old grommet where my new pipe slightly sticks out with a bit of sealant around the edges job done