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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Porker911 on 22 November 2015, 17:34
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Hi All
I've had great advice on this forum in the 5 months waiting for the delivery on my GTI PP in late July.
I've around about 3000 miles since picking the car up in July and it has been really good. Comfortable, good handling and pretty fast with good traction but....
I keep getting nagging feelings about if this car is good how good is the R. I didn't test drive one when I ordered the GTI PP as I'd always wanted a black GTi so just ordered one.
I've now seen a blue Golf R with a DSG box at a local dealer for an amazing price, pretty much what i paid for the GTi £27k) register same month and with about the same miles. Whilst it doesn't have all the options I have the the GTi PP (it has Dynaudio, but not satnav, climate wind screen or chassis control) I'm tempted with the extra performance and 4 wheel drive traction.
I live on B roads and drive to the station each morning so the 4 wheel drive does come in handy (I had a WRX before and do miss the wet weather traction) but the GTi PP is proving to be a great car and is stylish quick and really economical.
Any advise from owners who have made the switch or just general thoughts would be much appreciated as I've always had good advice from you guys.
Thanks
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I think you need to arrange a test drive. You'll get plenty of opinions both ways but only you can decide.
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If you trade your 4 month old PP in, i'm sure you'll get screwed on the price. You'll be lucky if you get £20k for it if the R is going for a song at the same dealership.
Traction on the R is amazing - constant tramping on my GTD led me to the R and it is a fantastic drive with so much useable power if you're willing to keep the revs above 4k when accelerating hard.
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I just traded in my 7 month old GTI PP, red 3 door manual, no options for a new R. Got £22k for my GTI and paid a smidge over £27k for a new 3 door manual R in Lapiz which has the basic nav & sunroof. Same dealer.
The difference is night and day, i was expecting it to drive pretty much the same but a bit quicker. Wrong...the R is miles better in every way. The character of the engine is so much more purposeful, the steering is better, throttle response is brilliant... i'm blown away by it.
If you're thinking of changing, test drive an R and i bet you buy one.
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I just traded in my 7 month old GTI PP, red 3 door manual, no options for a new R. Got £22k for my GTI and paid a smidge over £27k for a new 3 door manual R in Lapiz which has the basic nav & sunroof. Same dealer.
The difference is night and day, i was expecting it to drive pretty much the same but a bit quicker. Wrong...the R is miles better in every way. The character of the engine is so much more purposeful, the steering is better, throttle response is brilliant... i'm blown away by it.
If you're thinking of changing, test drive an R and i bet you buy one.
Stop it ... I am starting to get R envy :smiley:
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Nobody will dispute the R is a better car but I still think a GTi PP is more than a match 95% of the time. The shock you will have will come with a trade-in. If it were my money I'd stick with the GTi and look at R's in 18 months time.
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Nobody will dispute the R is a better car but I still think a GTi PP is more than a match 95% of the time. The shock you will have will come with a trade-in. If it were my money I'd stick with the GTi and look at R's in 18 months time.
I would disagree, I would say when it's dry and your rolling it's 95% match, but in England where it rains 290days a year, the GTI is outmatched with ease, throw a map on the R and its a monster of car
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The GTI PP is a tremendous allrounder and a better looker than the R.
Me personally would stick with it and promise myself to get a mk8 R next time round.
Jimble may offer some good advice as he went GTI to an R then back to a GTI via a Touarag I think.
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The GTI PP is a tremendous allrounder and a better looker than the R.
Me personally would stick with it and promise myself to get a mk8 R next time round.
Jimble may offer some good advice as he went GTI to an R then back to a GTI via a Touarag I think.
Except from the back 😜
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Had my GTI for 2 years and picked up my R last week.
Definitely a different drive, when the roads are damp or wet the R just sticks and goes where the GTI tramped like mad and obviously the R is much more powerful, though also a little heavier - overall they are both hot Golfs and feel very similar on the road but floor the throttle and the R just dissapears down the road, along with your licence if you are not careful.
I suggest you definitely need DCC, especially if you have it on your GTI, I find the Rs Normal setting firmer than the GTIs Normal and Race (Sport) is for perfect roads/track only. I have my 'Individual' set to Comfort (for the DCC), Sport throttle (to minimise the throttle dead travel that all new Rs seem to have) Eco sound (to kill the annoying synth sound) and Sport steering (to give the steering a bit more weight - all personal taste.
You can always use a TomTom satnav which is better than the VW units, or fit one of the approved Add on units for about £450.
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Vidman, interesting to hear your views, I havent got DCC on my R but I had it on my GTI. It was a nice thing to have but i find the standard R suspension fine and not too firm. For me it feels about the same as "normal" in my GTI.
I also find the throttle response in my R to be pretty good (its a manual), certainly way better than my GTI.
cheers.
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I would disagree, I would say when it's dry and your rolling it's 95% match, but in England where it rains 290days a year
Think the stats say 156 days ;)
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I would disagree, I would say when it's dry and your rolling it's 95% match, but in England where it rains 290days a year
Think the stats say 156 days ;)
Fair enough, I was just exaggerating. It still means that the GTI is at a massive disadvantage for 43% of the time. So 95% of the 57% in the rain it would closer to 60% of the performance.
A good example of this would be the 370z up my ass the other there day in the rain. We came up to a roundabout and both floored it, by the time I had hit 80mph, there was an easy 10pength between us. The 370z has the same power, but RWD. You drop 70-80bhp on the 370z to make the GTI and it would be an R just driving away.
I have owned both (28k on mk7 GTI) so I'm not just GTI bashing.
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Thanks for the advice guys. Offered £23300 for my GTI PP having paid £27500 a few months ago. Great drive from the station home in it tonight on a B road and have decided to keep it for time being and look at an R after a year or so and enjoy the GTI for what it is, a great car.
Thanks again all
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Thanks for the advice guys. Offered £23300 for my GTI PP having paid £27500 a few months ago. Great drive from the station home in it tonight on a B road and have decided to keep it for time being and look at an R after a year or so and enjoy the GTI for what it is, a great car.
Thanks again all
@Porker911
Which dealer had the R? I might be interested as Sudbury used to be my home town :grin: Thanks
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VW colchester mate, up for £27995 lapis blue 2015 with 8k on clock. Options dsg and Dynaudio
Let me know how you get on
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That is a great offer for your car... Last week Sincalir cardiff had a new, 65 plate, limestone 3 door PP Gti (latest spec) for £23750, before the deposit contribution and £1000 loyalty bonus... I just couldn't buy one n that colour!
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That is a great offer for your car... Last week Sincalir cardiff had a new, 65 plate, limestone 3 door PP Gti (latest spec) for £23750, before the deposit contribution and £1000 loyalty bonus... I just couldn't buy one n that colour!
That's definitely not a colour I would have unless it was ridiculously cheap, looks like the "greige" shade of hearing aids most of the time. The best pictures taken of Limestone Grey are when it doesn't look like Limestone Grey at all, but some kind of Mercury Silver shade.
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Been offered 24300 now so arranged a test drive of the golf R Saturday.
Other half not happy :angry:
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Guys, if you finance by PCP to get the 3 yrs free servicing how quickly can you pay it off and any idea if any early repayment fees as think may do it to get stuff if I get the R.
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Guys, if you finance by PCP to get the 3 yrs free servicing how quickly can you pay it off and any idea if any early repayment fees as think may do it to get stuff if I get the R.
Pay it within the 14 days cooling off period to get any financial incentives. If if you take longer than that then you'll have 2 months penalty interest to pay.
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Thanks mate
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Been offered 24300 now so arranged a test drive of the golf R Saturday.
Other half not happy :angry:
I feel your pain, am in the same boat with the missus... :cry: :cry:
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Been offered 24300 now so arranged a test drive of the golf R Saturday.
Other half not happy :angry:
I feel your pain, am in the same boat with the missus... :cry: :cry:
Trade her in as well................. :grin: :whistle:
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Guys, if you finance by PCP to get the 3 yrs free servicing how quickly can you pay it off and any idea if any early repayment fees as think may do it to get stuff if I get the R.
Pay it within the 14 days cooling off period to get any financial incentives. If if you take longer than that then you'll have 2 months penalty interest to pay.
Is this really 100% true?
And you only pay the days percentage you have had the agreement? No additional early admin fees etc?
If so, will try this route on the Clubsport with a few dealers as they often give better PCP deals than cash.
Dave
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It is true. It's your legal right apparently, according to my dealer.
You can apply for pcp, cancel it and then pay cash if you want.
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Guys, if you finance by PCP to get the 3 yrs free servicing how quickly can you pay it off and any idea if any early repayment fees as think may do it to get stuff if I get the R.
Pay it within the 14 days cooling off period to get any financial incentives. If if you take longer than that then you'll have 2 months penalty interest to pay.
Is this really 100% true?
And you only pay the days percentage you have had the agreement? No additional early admin fees etc?
If so, will try this route on the Clubsport with a few dealers as they often give better PCP deals than cash.
Dave
I picked up my GTi only three weeks ago and was told when negotiating my PCP deal exactly that by the salesman at the main dealer. I think his quote was something like "I couldn't advise you to do that, but there is nothing to stop you doing it". If it is paid in full within the cooling off period no additional charges are made other than the incurred interest, in other words pennies and you keep the PCP deposit allowance from VW. Didn't actually do it though, I just wanted to make sure the option was there.
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And the incentives would be worh it I guess, as most PCP deals seem to get better discount.
Assumming you can stump up the deposit required and then sell your current car privately to settle the finance within the first few days.
Dave
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Certainly on the GTi as VW offer a £1250 deposit contribution if taking PCP. I don't think you get the same contribution for GTD or the R though. So to be honest even if looking at paying cash or personal finance, its an option to take the PCP to get the initial discount then settle the VW finance. And when they do the 3 years free servicing offer on PCP's you get to keep that as well I believe from my salesman :grin:
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Bloody typical just been to see the Golf R on the way back from the station tonight and no wonder it's up for £27300 and they offered a good part ex for my GTI PP.....
The golf r looks pretty rough quite a few marks on it and the overall car looks likes it's been polished with sand paper, like a light swirly scratches all over the body work - not good.
Anyway least I didn't waste my Saturday morning with the stealer, sent him a rather abrupt email a few minutes ago.....