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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: AdmiralGant on 25 October 2015, 20:53
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First Golf I ever have had and must say the GTD has been a great flagship of the home fleet. I have just been round the usual Audi, BMW, Mercedes offerings and still think the GTD interior holds up very well, if not better.
The lights, the adaptive cruise and dampers, plus the refinement on a long drive are first rate.
I have only two minus points with the GTD, one has been fuel consumption. I am getting about 43mpg overall, nothing like the 60mpg claimed for the DSG model. I don't even live in a town or city and do little town driving, so poor in my opinion. The other minor gripe is with the radio off and slow moving driving, you cannot get away that it is a 4 pot heavy oiler under the bonnet, even with sport mode on.
I am thinking BMW 330d M Sport as a replacement, the six pot engine makes such a better sound than any 4, but something is telling me go for a Golf R DSG.
The big question is what are people getting roughly on the Golf R mpg wise? If its less than 25, then it will be enough to swing me for a 330d knowing that will do high 30s.
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2 months in I'm averaging 26.5-27mpg. That's mainly relatively short commutes and some city stop / starts.
I did a long motorway run yesterday and averaged about 31, ACC on the whole way, doing "slightly" over the speed limit...
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Are you a manual or DSG JoeGTI ?? And are you using the RACE setting a lot ?? :smiley:
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Trading my GTD in this week for my new R.
Absolutely loved the GTD and can't complain about MPG, my overall is 41mpg but I guess I don't care enough to notice.
Seen my R for the first time today, get one mate they are the ticket :grin:
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Permission to come aboard Sir!.Whoever said the Golf GTD had good fuel economy should be keel hauled.That is all Sir. :laugh:
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14k miles in, mixed use, driven pretty hard. Always in race mode. Long term average 30.4mpg (also DTUK box)
I'm DSG
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Early days mpg wise with my R, but 3 weeks of ownership and 960 miles in, a DSG, driven mainly in Individual mode with mix of Sport/Normal settings, and sometimes in Race mode - I'm getting 25mpg long term average. If I'm honest this is slightly better than I expected at this stage. I do a lot of stop/start city driving, short commutes, plus some motorway trips. I haven't got the lightest right foot in the world so I'm never going to reach the heady heights of 30+mpg like some, but if it creeps up to 27/28mpg in the months to come, I'll be happy.
But I came from a Mk6 GTI and averaged 29/30+ in that so not much of a drop for me. But you might feel differently coming from a GTD, as it's going to be a bit of a shock even if you weren't getting quite what VW had promised in the diesel.
But mpg aside, the R is awesome.
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Not knocking the 'R' of course, not tried one myself but from reports on here and reviews they soung brilliant. But could I throw the GTI in to the mix? It's a great compromise and without being too biased (well, okay, very biased) I think it's a better looking car in the details, the standard interior is stylish and fun, they come with excellent standard spec if you're buying new, great performance and economy. On a very short commute (5 miles) I'm getting around 31mpg, on a long motorway journey 40+. I've had a smidge under 45 on some journeys and others report nearly 50mpg. They are easily tunable with a plug in box to 300+bhp should you want more power but so far I haven't felt the need and tbh, I struggle where I live to find anywhere to test the performance level for more than a few seconds.
Worth considering? Also, it seems to be a lot rarer than either the R or the GTD so some exclusivity too!
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Not knocking the 'R' of course, not tried one myself but from reports on here and reviews they soung brilliant. But could I throw the GTI in to the mix? It's a great compromise and without being too biased (well, okay, very biased) I think it's a better looking car in the details, the standard interior is stylish and fun, they come with excellent standard spec if you're buying new, great performance and economy. On a very short commute (5 miles) I'm getting around 31mpg, on a long motorway journey 40+. I've had a smidge under 45 on some journeys and others report nearly 50mpg. They are easily tunable with a plug in box to 300+bhp should you want more power but so far I haven't felt the need and tbh, I struggle where I live to find anywhere to test the performance level for more than a few seconds.
Worth considering? Also, it seems to be a lot rarer than either the R or the GTD so some exclusivity too!
Well said. :smiley:
The GTI should not be overlooked.
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And again. I would have another GTI PP in a heartbeat but the R is a great car :cool:
I am getting 30-31mpg on mainly short runs after 6K just been away to Devon and left it in Race all the time and used the ACC on the motorway and was regularly seeing 34-35mpg
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mpg is relative to how you drive it. Unless you gave the GTD a nun's run-in, if your trips have you average 43mpg in the GTD, i'd expect about 25mpg if I was you. I averaged about 48mpg in the GTD I used to have, now its around 31mpg in the R. Short trips are around 28mpg and longer ones (my 20 mile commute) you are talking about 32mpg. The R has a big penalty for cruising at 80mph as opposed to 70mph due to the lower gearing. The difference in mpg between 70 and 80mph cruising in the GTD is negligible, in the R it's the difference between 30mpg and 36mpg.
As someone that has come from a long line of VAG TDIs, the R is an amazing car - mine has been a bit troublesome, not for number of faults, but the number of visits to the dealership per fault before they got fixed.
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Thanks for the replies all, better than I was thinking then for the R and quite right - perhaps I should give the GTI some thought, but the sound of the R seems very additive and I am not sure the GTI is as good??
Think I could live with 25mpg :smiley:
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Thanks for the replies all, better than I was thinking then for the R and quite right - perhaps I should give the GTI some thought, but the sound of the R seems very additive and I am not sure the GTI is as good??
Think I could live with 25mpg :smiley:
No it's not. I had one and traded it in for an R. The GTI is a good car, but the R is a great car.
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Thanks for the replies all, better than I was thinking then for the R and quite right - perhaps I should give the GTI some thought, but the sound of the R seems very additive and I am not sure the GTI is as good??
Think I could live with 25mpg :smiley:
The GTI isn't as quick as the R, with a small spend on a tuning box you could get your GTD running quicker than a stock GTI in gear.
Of course you could buy a GTI and get it boxed or chipped to be a 2WD car with almost the same output as a stock R (think of it as a VW Leon Cupra). Or you could buy an R. More incentives for the GTI at the moment, but around half of the R's premium is mitigated by better residuals.
I had a DTUK box on my GTD and it really gave it a shot in the arm, but the R is noticeably quicker again.
I do a performance test close to home with every car I get, leaving a roundabout slipway at 20mph and accelerating hard to pass a certain road sign and see what speed I am at - I tried this tonight on my R.
140TDI Golf 5 PD= 70mph
170TDI Golf 5 PD= 80mph
140TDI Scirocco CR = 78mph
170TDI Scirocco CR = 81mph
MK7 GTD = 80mph (cold) / 82mph (warm) - the first time I have seen a limit for a cold engine
MK7 GTD with DTUK box (warm) = 89mph
MK7 R (warm) = 101mph (was 97mph when there was only 800 miles on the clock - it has improved with age, or perhaps the new turbo)
I'd hazard a guess that it'd be about 86mph for a warm GTI doing the same.
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I had my GTI mapped to 320bhp with revo and in gear it is quick! Quicker than a stock R on a dry road, rolling with decent rubber. Unfortunately that's also the problem. You need all of your ducks in a row to get the most out of it. Throw part worn tyres, rain or a standing start and watch the traction light goes mental.
Traction when standard is alright, but it's a different league.
For me it's like comparing a 2.0L diesel GT to a GTD. The GT is a is a class below, similar to the GTI and R
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Are you a manual or DSG JoeGTI ?? And are you using the RACE setting a lot ?? :smiley:
Mine is a DSG with about 2k miles on it. I do use Race a bit for sure but mostly in Indivudual mode with a mixture of Sport/Normal settings. The DSG in sport mode is fine for 5 minutes but would drive you mad after that. So it's mostly in D or manual.
I tried Eco for the first time on the motorway yesterday. When cruising the difference isn't all that noticeable.
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I had my GTI mapped to 320bhp with revo and in gear it is quick! Quicker than a stock R on a dry road, rolling with decent rubber. Unfortunately that's also the problem. You need all of your ducks in a row to get the most out of it. Throw part worn tyres, rain or a standing start and watch the traction light goes mental.
Traction when standard is alright, but it's a different league.
For me it's like comparing a 2.0L diesel GT to a GTD. The GT is a is a class below, similar to the GTI and R
Traction (or lack thereof) is why I chopped my GTD in for an R. Even though my R came with crappy Flintstones, traction when hoofing it is fully taken care of by the haldex system.
Asking 320ps from the stock turbo and clutch on the GTI is asking a lot. The turbos used in the GTI and the R don't seem to have a high margin of over-engineering like the GTD does - by that I mean some people have popped a turbo or cooked their clutch in a GTI/R here and in the R forum, haven't heard of a GTDer doing the same yet.
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I agree MonkeyH, the GTD does struggle to get its power down on a hard throttle standing start and even worse in wet. I guess the R just leaves the line with no fuss.
My main concern with the R is people saying they get about 20mpg or less, but no one has shouted that out, so sounds another reason to get one.
I see the GTD/GTI now gets sat nav, keyless and heated seats as std, yet the top of the range R still needs all that added as options.
Am I right in saying the R also has no front fogs? Not a major issue, or are they in the headlight units somewhere?
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I agree MonkeyH, the GTD does struggle to get its power down on a hard throttle standing start and even worse in wet. I guess the R just leaves the line with no fuss.
My main concern with the R is people saying they get about 20mpg or less, but no one has shouted that out, so sounds another reason to get one.
I see the GTD/GTI now gets sat nav, keyless and heated seats as std, yet the top of the range R still needs all that added as options.
Am I right in saying the R also has no front fogs? Not a major issue, or are they in the headlight units somewhere?
You'd have to be driving like a nutter to be getting 20mpg or less!
Certainly does get the power down with NO fuss at all.
Yes keyless, nav and heated seats (only on cloth) are all still extra on an R. BUT, the build week 45 changes some stuff might get included as standard??
That's right, no front fogs on the R. Haven't missed them thus far and well, when you see the lovely deep intakes in their place you'll forget all about front fogs.
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Pretty disgraceful to read that your GTD only achieved 43 mpg (long term avg). My GTI DSG is giving me 38.5 mpg (long term avg). Not that far off your diesel!
Good luck with your decision AdmiralGant. Would you consider the GTI (a relatively rare sight on the roads) instead of the R. Runs on the cheaper 95 RON fuel too :wink:
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I agree MonkeyH, the GTD does struggle to get its power down on a hard throttle standing start and even worse in wet. I guess the R just leaves the line with no fuss.
My main concern with the R is people saying they get about 20mpg or less, but no one has shouted that out, so sounds another reason to get one.
I see the GTD/GTI now gets sat nav, keyless and heated seats as std, yet the top of the range R still needs all that added as options.
Am I right in saying the R also has no front fogs? Not a major issue, or are they in the headlight units somewhere?
Mine's averaging about 29mpg on the computer.
It'll drop to about 27 or 28 over the winter, if not less.
On a decent run it'll do mid 30's and round town about 24-25. The R turbo set up doesn't like town driving as far as economy is concerned but it spools quite well from under 2000rpm which is good. Not that it matters if you have DSG.
The lack of front fogs are a bit of a pain in the butt if you drive on dark and winding roads with no other traffic about (like I do) but the xenons do a good job on their own and when in such use I have them set so the cornering lights come on as much as possible.
Nobody much bought GTI's for a while as the cost difference between it and an R was too close so VW upped the UK spec on the GTI to make it better value for money.
The R as a standard car is something you're paying a pretty much good value for money bang for your buck 300bhp 4wd family hatchback. The 300bhp and 4wd are where your money is going - it's quite easy to make it into an expensive car by loading it with options.
Mind you it's quite easy to make a Golf GT or whatever an expensive car if you hit the options, only you will know how much you value the options versus what you either can or wish to spend.
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Yes, I am now thinking GTI but prepared to go the whole hog and head to the R. Just need to weigh a few things up and helpful to know about rough mpg.
Agree Hawaii-FiveO, my mpg on the GTD is rubbish. It seems to be the short runs that hit it, did a gentle run to the supermarket last week, 8 miles round trip and it returned 36mpg!! To railway station in the mornings about 12 miles, it does about 45mpg, best I have seen is 300 miles to Devon and Yorkshire where it did actually hit 50mpg.
My last vehicle, a BMW 325d Auto on a 10 plate did 37.1mpg over 3 years, much bigger 6 pot engine, old torque converter box and bigger car, so either that was amazing or the Golf is poor.
So does a R only run on super unleaded fuel ???? :huh:
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I take every opportunity I can to nail it in Sport and Race, and drive it hard. And when I can't due to traffice, its in D and Race. I usually get 27-28 in mixed driving on a daily basis - so you'll easily get over 25. On a long journey (motorway) I can get 34 odd.
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So does a R only run on super unleaded fuel ???? :huh:
The R is optimised to run on 98/99RON but I know in Ireland that fuel is not available and the Irish R owners seem happy enough with the performance of their R's on 95RON. I do always use 99 in mine though, Shell V Power and used it in my last GTI even though that was meant to be run on 95RON. I definitely felt a difference between the two fuels, with the engine being noticeably smoother on 99. Don't think there's much benefit mpg wise though.
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So you were dissapointed with the GTD's fuel economy, so the answer is to buy something with roughly half the fuel economy that needs to run on more expensive super unleaded.
LOL
These sort of things make me laugh on here too much.
Why not ask the question, "So I want to buy a sexxxxy R because its sexxxxy, anyone got any reason not to? (la-la-la-la i can't hear you, anyway its too late I've had a test drive and paid my deposit)"
I reckon those 12 miles to the station each day will be approximately 5 seconds shorter. Make sure you've figured out how you are going to use them ;-)
Full steam ahead and damn the torpedoes!
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These sort of things make me laugh on here too much.
Why not ask the question, "So I want to buy a sexxxxy R because its sexxxxy, anyone got any reason not to? (la-la-la-la i can't hear you, anyway its too late I've had a test drive and paid my deposit)"
:grin: :grin:. So true. I don't know why people bother asking when they've clearly made their mind up already.
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I agree MonkeyH, the GTD does struggle to get its power down on a hard throttle standing start and even worse in wet. I guess the R just leaves the line with no fuss.
My main concern with the R is people saying they get about 20mpg or less, but no one has shouted that out, so sounds another reason to get one.
I see the GTD/GTI now gets sat nav, keyless and heated seats as std, yet the top of the range R still needs all that added as options.
Am I right in saying the R also has no front fogs? Not a major issue, or are they in the headlight units somewhere?
My 20 mile commute was a delight today with the half-term lull in traffic. Not much chance to put my foot down on the way there, but when I could I did and the car did an indicated 34mpg.
On the way home there was plenty of opportunity to put my foot down and I really took advantage, but still got a respectable 31mpg. If you get stuck in slow (but moving) heavy traffic regularly, the R is more forgiving than the GTD - the lower gearing really lends itself to city traffic, on the flat the R is happy maintaining 40mph in 6th.
I doubt you'll regret getting an R but if the poor traction of your GTD annoys, you might not be completely leave it behind if you get a GTI unless it comes with Contis.
Lack of fogs is no issue - i've had reason to use my fogs by the letter of the law about 4 times in 5 years.
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These sort of things make me laugh on here too much.
Why not ask the question, "So I want to buy a sexxxxy R because its sexxxxy, anyone got any reason not to? (la-la-la-la i can't hear you, anyway its too late I've had a test drive and paid my deposit)"
:grin: :grin:. So true. I don't know why people bother asking when they've clearly made their mind up already.
It's a coming to terms with it thing.
"I've just taken the mad decision to buy an almost identical car that has a bit more power and a bit worse looks; please can someone talk me out of watching another ten grand vanish overnight as I really should be old enough and sensible enough not to be thinking like this..."
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These sort of things make me laugh on here too much.
Why not ask the question, "So I want to buy a sexxxxy R because its sexxxxy, anyone got any reason not to? (la-la-la-la i can't hear you, anyway its too late I've had a test drive and paid my deposit)"
:grin: :grin:. So true. I don't know why people bother asking when they've clearly made their mind up already.
It's a coming to terms with it thing.
"I've just taken the mad decision to buy an almost identical car that has a bit more power and a bit worse looks; please can someone talk me out of watching another ten grand vanish overnight as I really should be old enough and sensible enough not to be thinking like this..."
Have you come to terms with it yet Mr Ex? :laugh:
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I'm still in denial.
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I'm still in denial.
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You'll be saying that little phrase all over again when you swap the R for a Clubsport, in the not too distant future. :wink:
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I'm still in denial.
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You'll be saying that little phrase all over again when you swap the R for a Clubsport, in the not too distant future. :wink:
I've turned over a new leaf, honest guv'!!!
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I'm still in denial.
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You'll be saying that little phrase all over again when you swap the R for a Clubsport, in the not too distant future. :wink:
I've turned over a new leaf, honest guv'!!!
Famous last words, lol. You mean you'll lease a Clubsport instead of buying it. :laugh: