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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: mcmaddy on 07 August 2015, 21:19
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Had a good look and play round a brand new Tiguan today with the new discover nav unit. The screen and graphics are no different to my nav pro but I'm sure someone mentioned on here that it's way better than the units that are MiB I. It certainly didn't look or feel any different to my nav pro.
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A lot of the underlying internals are different. I guess it's like iPhone 6 to 6s... faster processor, etc. If you are used to the Pro, then the differences may not be so obvious but it's a big step up for the MIB 1 discover media. Aside from the larger screen it has... off the top of my head:
- higher resolution
- carPlay / Android auto support
- improved bluetooth support (you can connect multiple devices simultaneously)
- radio stations auto-load (no need to upload them yourself)
- features like Voice control (if not factory fitted) can be dealer activated
I believe the Nav Pro has Google Street View (as part of car-net)... maybe not in the UK but in some regions at least.
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A lot of the underlying internals are different. I guess it's like iPhone 6 to 6s... faster processor, etc. If you are used to the Pro, then the differences may not be so obvious but it's a big step up for the MIB 1 discover media. Aside from the larger screen it has... off the top of my head:
- higher resolution
- carPlay / Android auto support
- improved bluetooth support (you can connect multiple devices simultaneously)
- radio stations auto-load (no need to upload them yourself)
- features like Voice control (if not factory fitted) can be dealer activated
I believe the Nav Pro has Google Street View (as part of car-net)... maybe not in the UK but in some regions at least.
So you can connect 2 phones at the same time, or, say a phone and an iPod? That's a welcome addition.
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A lot of the underlying internals are different. I guess it's like iPhone 6 to 6s... faster processor, etc. If you are used to the Pro, then the differences may not be so obvious but it's a big step up for the MIB 1 discover media. Aside from the larger screen it has... off the top of my head:
- higher resolution
- carPlay / Android auto support
- improved bluetooth support (you can connect multiple devices simultaneously)
- radio stations auto-load (no need to upload them yourself)
- features like Voice control (if not factory fitted) can be dealer activated
I believe the Nav Pro has Google Street View (as part of car-net)... maybe not in the UK but in some regions at least.
I got the Nav Pro myself, partly to future proof the car (as much as you can). Car Net has been available since the car's launch - just not in the UK until now. Which is a real pain because up until now, you've not been able to use google street view.
I am led to believe that even on MIB 1 Discover units the voice control can be activated.
I've always been able to attach two devices to my Nav Pro - you just change which one you want to be the primary device.
Sadly there seems to be no way of easily upgrading MIB1 to MIB2 - but. hey, that happens :)
Looking forward to hearing more about MIB 2
James
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From what I understand, the main MIB II processor upgrades apple to the DNS system (rather than the DNS Pro) - someone correct me if I'm wrong.
The Discover now has a 6.5" (from 5.8") as standard, and includes the car-net online services, as well as app-connect. The screen resolution has also been bumped up. Oh and I believe they've finally ditched the propietary cables for USB socket!
Faster processors. The new generation of devices is characterised by better system performance. Consider the “Discover Media”, the radio-navigation system with 6.5-inch display: Compared to the first generation, performance of the CPU (main processor) was more than doubled from 950 MIPS (million instructions per second) to 2,500 MIPS.
The DNS Pro, from what I understand has mainly seen the online services finally being included on UK cars, as well as app-connect as an option (CarPlay/Android Auto as well as MirrorLink).
My car has arrived to UK, but am holding off until 65 plate in Spetember. I've ordered the tech pack (so DNS Pro) and also app connect. I'll try and post impressions once I get car ..getting anxious already!!
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I don't think the screen resolution is any different to my nav pro as it was always higher than other units anyway. Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining especially as apart from an inch and a half screen size I'm basically getting a nav pro for free in the Tiguan it's just I thought the screen resolution would be higher but it's not.
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A lot of the underlying internals are different. I guess it's like iPhone 6 to 6s... faster processor, etc. If you are used to the Pro, then the differences may not be so obvious but it's a big step up for the MIB 1 discover media. Aside from the larger screen it has... off the top of my head:
- higher resolution
- carPlay / Android auto support
- improved bluetooth support (you can connect multiple devices simultaneously)
- radio stations auto-load (no need to upload them yourself)
- features like Voice control (if not factory fitted) can be dealer activated
I believe the Nav Pro has Google Street View (as part of car-net)... maybe not in the UK but in some regions at least.
So you can connect 2 phones at the same time, or, say a phone and an iPod? That's a welcome addition.
Yes Rebecca, that's my understanding. Maybe they'll be onto MIB 3 by the time they build your car :laugh: (sorry!!!)
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So you can connect 2 phones at the same time, or, say a phone and an iPod? That's a welcome addition.
Yes Rebecca, that's my understanding. Maybe they'll be onto MIB 3 by the time they build your car :laugh: (sorry!!!)
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That would be even funnier Joe, if there wasn't a real possibility it could be true :cry: :laugh:
Still haven't quite got the best sense of humour over it :whistle:
Wasn't helped by receiving one of those cringe making VW VIP event invitations in this morning's post. "This will be no ordinary event......your chance to drive away a brand new car".....blah, blah, blah!
Arghhh!
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Had one in a new polo courtesy. Looks a lot sharper than my GTD. even the Mrs noticed the dif in resolution. Plus the other features just make it better than the one I have
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The resolution is 800 x 640, same as the Nav Pro, isn't it? That'll mean the screen is sharper - same pixels, smaller area
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Hi,
I got my GTI earlier in the week. I've tried two Android phones and neither want to play. You can see the Android Auto app start on the phone and you can see the list of approved apps, enable/disable the connection from the phone end, etc, but the head unit just says that the data transfer failed and that's that. No amount of messing about has helped so far.
It sounds simple enough but I'm wondering if there's a host of per-requisite settings/items that need to be on or off on the phone before it will play. When you plug the phone in, it's immediately recognised as a USB storage device so maybe that's interfering with things. I'll have another attempt today.
Then I tried car-net - that was an abject failure too. The only place I can find to register that's in English is the US site which appears to be just for the E-UP, GTE, etc. I registered, but the site refuses to recognise my car's VIN.
From the car side, I set-up a link to the hotspot on my mobile (the car could see the WiFi in the house too - so if there are any big updates required I'll do them over that) but unless you registered on the car-net portal with your the VIN the fun stops there. :sad:
On a final note, I've had the head unit freeze and reboot a couple of times whilst playing MP3s, I can't tell if they are the root cause, nevertheless, annoying.
Neil.
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Does anyone have a spec comparison for nav pro v new discover. Not a made up one but a link to official specs.
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So,
I can report back that I've managed to get it all working, but, don't get too excited, functionality is a tad limited as it stands right now.
Android Auto - Even though my phone had AA installed, I installed another copy from Google Play. Plugged it in and eventually you can add the phone and you get Google Maps navigation with voice input even if you don't have that option in the car. You get 90 days of Google Music, just make sure you've got enough data on your mob to cover it... Erm, and that's about it.
Mirrorlink - I must admit I was expecting something close to a 'mirror' of what was on the phone, however, so far all I see is the icons for Mirrorlink enabled apps which in my case are the various VW ones - mind you it does have the journey tracker which records stuff like how hard you accelerate, brake, max speed, G force and what have you - which looks about the most fun one.
Switching between AA and Mirrorlink isn't particularly simple. It appears that you have to go into the settings change the preferred connection type between the two, then disconnect and reconnect the device - I haven't found a simpler way yet.
Finally car-net, I'm now registered and functional. The process is straightforward, however, it fell over several times and was really slow.
The link for registration is as follows:
https://www.volkswagen-car-net.com/portal/en_GB/web/gb/register?command=c (https://www.volkswagen-car-net.com/portal/en_GB/web/gb/register?command=c)
Eventually it will give you a code. Get the car connected to the web by tethering to your phone or what have you and enter the code under Menu | Car-Net | Registration - this bit took numerous attempts but my mobile signal was very weak it may be better for you guys.
I've got Discover Nav so I get weather, news (you can add things like BBC news, sport, etc, as feeds via the car-net portal), parking, petrol, online POI, personal POI import, etc. Not loads but a few things. I'm sure we'll get more in the future.
Apologies for the essay!
Cheers, Neil.
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Does anyone have a spec comparison for nav pro v new discover. Not a made up one but a link to official specs.
Have been searching everywhere to find the specs of both MIB II systems ..and I (believe) finally found them!
MIB II Discover: http://webspecial.volkswagen.de/infotainment/de/de/radionav-start/Discover-Media-ab-2015.html (http://webspecial.volkswagen.de/infotainment/de/de/radionav-start/Discover-Media-ab-2015.html)
MIB II Discover Pro: http://webspecial.volkswagen.de/infotainment/de/de/radionav-start/Discover-Pro.html (http://webspecial.volkswagen.de/infotainment/de/de/radionav-start/Discover-Pro.html)
However the above links are German-spec, which does seem to differ slightly (wi-fi, SSD size..), but it does show that they do have identical resolution, which means that smaller Discover would have a sharper screen.
Note that the German specs don't seem in line with UK cars, which according to VW UK has : "Discover Pro touch-screen DVD nav/radio system with integrated voice control. 8" colour touch-screen with activated voice control system - responds to voice commands for navigation, CD, DVD and radio functions. 64 GB SSD hard drive. Pre-loaded European navigation data, 3D map view, three calculated routes (fast, short, eco), dynamic navigation based on TMC , branded points of interest, traffic sign display and SD card reader x 2. Includes three years Car-Net 'Guide and Inform'.
As for the processor power, I could only find for the specs for Discover (not Pro) which in the mk8 Passat has 'Faster processors. The new generation of devices is characterised by better system performance. Consider the “Discover Media”, the radio-navigation system with 6.5-inch display: Compared to the first generation, performance of the CPU (main processor) was more than doubled from 950 MIPS (million instructions per second) to 2,500 MIPS. link: http://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswagen-news/detail-new-passat-generation-8-2/ (http://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswagen-news/detail-new-passat-generation-8-2/).
Hope this helps!
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Quick question, I have ordered a new MK7 GTI which is due to built in the last week of August, will it come with the MIB II unit?
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Yes.
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MX, when did you order, as far as I'm aware anything ordered after 2nd week in June will have this, winter seats and keyless entry as standard.
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MX, when did you order, as far as I'm aware anything ordered after 2nd week in June will have this, winter seats and keyless entry as standard.
I ordered in the first week of July which means I should be getting it which great news! :laugh:
Thank you for your quick replies.
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We don't get lane guidance on the discover or a DVD, CD only. Basic tmc too.
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MX, when did you order, as far as I'm aware anything ordered after 2nd week in June will have this, winter seats and keyless entry as standard.
Don't mean to be pedantic but it does make a difference :grin:
Its not any car ordered after the 2nd week in June, it will be any car built after week 22 which is May 25th
So in theory you could have ordered in March or even earlier and still get the updated build revisions.
Its all to do when your car actually goes to build.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=273408.msg2501279#msg2501279
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Has anyone gone to a dealer to ask about the "activation codes" for things like App-Connect and Voice activation?
When i select these options on the unit it tells me a dealer can activate...im just curious at the amount of wedge they would want for it
It seems that the new head-units/cars have all the tech inside ready to go, so its a little bit of a piss take that VW will charge £100 for App-Connect as an extra, but all they have to do it punch in a code to unlock it!!!
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Has anyone gone to a dealer to ask about the "activation codes" for things like App-Connect and Voice activation?
When i select these options on the unit it tells me a dealer can activate...im just curious at the amount of wedge they would want for it
It seems that the new head-units/cars have all the tech inside ready to go, so its a little bit of a piss take that VW will charge £100 for App-Connect as an extra, but all they have to do it punch in a code to unlock it!!!
Funny enough this was going to be my next question -
Even though the MIB has been upgraded from I to II you still need to by the optional £100 Car-Net-App Connect so you can use Android Auto, MirrorLink and CarPlay, but from the looks of the unit doesnt need any added hardware to make this service work. Its just the case the software need to be "activated", does anyone know if this can be done via VCDS or do you have to fork out an extra £100 with the dealer?
Thanks
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I am yet to pick up my new GTI.
When I spoke to the dealer at the weekend, I asked if it was possible for the dealer to fit/activate the £100 App-Connect option. He very clearly told me that this was a factory option and no way the dealers could do it.
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Strange how the message on the screen says please contact your dealer for an activation code. I think it's another case of dealers not having a clue!
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I am yet to pick up my new GTI.
When I spoke to the dealer at the weekend, I asked if it was possible for the dealer to fit/activate the £100 App-Connect option. He very clearly told me that this was a factory option and no way the dealers could do it.
Your dealer might leading you down the garden path!
As far as I can tell the App-Connected isn't a piece of hardware which is added onto the MIB II, it is all software based, so cant see why the dealer couldn't activate it with a software upgrade or an unlock code.
I am due a call with my dealer tomorrow so I will ask them the same question and see what they come up with.
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Would be great to know what your dealer says.
Here is the written confirmation from my dealer....
"Car has been received into our compound and will be due on site over the next 48 hours....
Car net app connect can only be factory fitted so dealer fit is not possible.
I hope this helps and i look forward to speaking to you again soon."
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Interesting they are fitting this to the Tiguan, didn't realise older models were getting the MIB II also.
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Would be great to know what your dealer says.
Here is the written confirmation from my dealer....
"Car has been received into our compound and will be due on site over the next 48 hours....
Car net app connect can only be factory fitted so dealer fit is not possible.
I hope this helps and i look forward to speaking to you again soon."
Well I have been doing some digging around on the internet and have found some interesting threads on other forums -
http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11132&page=3
http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/10009-mib2-discover-nav-and-pro-carnet-and-mirrorlinkcarplayandroid-auto/page-2
FYI for all those looking to retrofit App Connect on their MIB2 systems: discussions in German forums now expect for the activation code to be available via the parts catalogue by October the latest (confirmed by a few German dealerships).
Link to the German thread below -
http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/fragen-zu-app-connect-apple-carplay-t5349940.html?page=1
So to sum it up you can activate the App-Connect via your dealer if you buy a activation code from them; its just that VW haven't released the code as a buyable option in their current catalogue.
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Interesting they are fitting this to the Tiguan, didn't realise older models were getting the MIB II also.
I think it changed with the MY2016 spec didnt it?
Im not sure what version i have, but it has the larger screen, App-Connect options, Car-Net etc
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Interesting they are fitting this to the Tiguan, didn't realise older models were getting the MIB II also.
I think it changed with the MY2016 spec didnt it?
Im not sure what version i have, but it has the larger screen, App-Connect options, Car-Net etc
Correct it did change for my2016
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Not sure if this is useful for anyone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATnWnb1FXBg
http://imgur.com/a/2Oosd
Presumably the same as the UK system?