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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: CraigW on 26 May 2015, 10:39
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Do you think they'll also equip it with an ejector seat when you stick two fingers up to it because of all the bloody rattling :grin:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/91568/2016-volkswagen-golf-facelift-to-get-gesture-control-tech
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looks interesting but it will most likely come with a hefty price increase.
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Do you think if you give another road user the w@nker gesture it will sound the horn?
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Will the Edition 40 GTI and Golf R400 miss this option being available when they are initially released. As the article states it will be on the face lift launch for the MK7 at the end of 2016. From what I have heard and read the edition 40 and Golf R400 will be released around the beginning to mid 2016. This option is a major upgrade for the interior which I would hope to have on my next car. It could also mean the difference of ordering a car later just to have the option available for order? A 13" screen would be great. :smiley:
Although having everything as touch screen may take some getting used to.
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Whilst the renders look cool as hell, my worry in where this tech is going is what happens when it goes wrong. Currently for instance, if the infotainment screen locks up then currently all you really loose is access to music and / or sat nav guidance, but the car is still drivable.
With no buttons in the car in future, and using only gestures etc. what if the software locks up (as they occasionally do), what happens to lights, heating, windows etc do they all stop working or will they have a redundancy back-up.
Can't image the dealers being too impressed by this tech either, they are still struggling with the tech that entered with the MQB platform.
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Whilst the renders look cool as hell, my worry in where this tech is going is what happens when it goes wrong. Currently for instance, if the infotainment screen locks up then currently all you really loose is access to music and / or sat nav guidance, but the car is still drivable.
With no buttons in the car in future, and using only gestures etc. what if the software locks up (as they occasionally do), what happens to lights, heating, windows etc do they all stop working or will they have a redundancy back-up.
Can't image the dealers being too impressed by this tech either, they are still struggling with the tech that entered with the MQB platform.
I don't think we are ready for this yet! I certainly wouldn't buy one of the first cars with this system.
You're right, full expert technical support would be critical, and given most VW dealerships can barely remove the transport pucks I would have little confidence in them sorting out bugs in this type of system. Can we expect a VW Genius Bar at each dealership? I can see them in their T shirts now!
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Looks like most of the dashboard tech the current Audi TT has access to.
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I thought VW don't do facelifts for golfs.
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I thought VW don't do facelifts for golfs.
Didn't they say it would now be new model every 5 years and facelift every 3 years?
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Looks like most of the dashboard tech the current Audi TT has access to.
Yes, trickle down from VAG's premium range...
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Christ some people can't even drive so asking them to use gestures is just plain stupid :laugh:
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Looks like most of the dashboard tech the current Audi TT has access to.
Yes, trickle down from VAG's premium range...
thankfully, its the best thing about the TT!
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Looks like most of the dashboard tech the current Audi TT has access to.
Yes, trickle down from VAG's premium range...
thankfully, its the best thing about the TT!
Has it got a gesture to ask if you'd like any product on your hair? ;-)
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thankfully, its the best thing about the TT!
Has it got a gesture to ask if you'd like any product on your hair? ;-)
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And it's been trying so hard to shake off the hairdresser label.
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thankfully, its the best thing about the TT!
Has it got a gesture to ask if you'd like any product on your hair? ;-)
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And it's been trying so hard to shake off the hairdresser label.
I think if this one was the first one they'd launched, it wouldn't have that stigma, i think it looks great, a true baby R8, but it cant shake off its predecessors unfortunately.
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How much are these hairdressers getting paid? :whistle:
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Does it really matter what others think. Since the Mk1 the TT has been one of the best looking cars on the market. People who say it's a hairdressers car clearly no very little about the car.
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To be fair, the MK I looked a lot better than it drove, it was not an optimised sporty coupe - it was a Golf with a pretty dress on. The MK II was much better at being what it was supposed to be.
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To be fair, the MK I looked a lot better than it drove, it was not an optimised sporty coupe - it was a Golf with a pretty dress on. The MK II was much better at being what it was supposed to be.
or so say Tony and Guy right? :smiley:
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I'm not a fan of moving key controls onto touch screens, as is the current trend, because it's bloody unsafe! So moving towards gesture controls seems bonkers to me. Style over function. I think they, the car designers, should be concentrating their efforts on finding ways to operate all essential controls from the steering wheel. Surely it's much safer to keep your eyes ahead and learn how to navigate the key controls whilst holding the steering wheel. If they put their minds to it you could have an F1 style steering wheel in which the driver could access 'almost' anything without needing to look across to a sodding touch screen. Which is both dangerous and clunky whilst on the move.
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if its anything as advanced and accurate as my kinect, we should all apply for a bus pass now lol
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I'm not a fan of moving key controls onto touch screens, as is the current trend, because it's bloody unsafe! So moving towards gesture controls seems bonkers to me. Style over function. I think they, the car designers, should be concentrating their efforts on finding ways to operate all essential controls from the steering wheel. Surely it's much safer to keep your eyes ahead and learn how to navigate the key controls whilst holding the steering wheel. If they put their minds to it you could have an F1 style steering wheel in which the driver could access 'almost' anything without needing to look across to a sodding touch screen. Which is both dangerous and clunky whilst on the move.
I wholeheartedly agree.
The inability to deliver a seemless touch screen system, does not instill confidence in anything more advanced. It's one thing to have useful driver aids but anything that significantly causes driver distraction is unsafe.
I'm all for advances in tech but the lines are becoming too blurred, people are forgetting the basic requirements of driving a car, number one being focus on driving the thing. A car is not an oversized smartphone, nor should it be.
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I fully agree that touch screen controls are bloody useless when you are moving and dangerous because they need so much attention to try to use them.
However, remember that by putting everything through a software control makes the car cheaper to make - one unit to fit and that's it.
That's why they do it, whilst trying to persuade us all that its progress.
Sooner or later every button will be on the touch screen menus, from setting the AC to opening the window or the bonnet.
I'm sure in 10 years someone will look at this thread and think "what were they all moaning about" but...
Actually, you know what the problem is today with the touch screens - they are like first generation "have to push quite hard" with no predictive assistance. If you look at something like a modern Iphone, they manage, with a tiny screen, to give you a keyboard that you couldn't possibly expect to hit the keys... yet you do - because of the combination of the right screen hardware and some clever software.
Unfortunately, car manufacturers seem to be the slowest at adopting new technology. My washing machine will have AI before my car does.
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Fredgroves & Booth11 - totally agree with you.
I have no problem using flat, responsive, intuitive, touch screens when the care is static. It's when you're on the move that they're troublesome and downright dangerous. Many on here have said how distracting and dangerous operating menus via the central flat screen can be whilst driving.
I'm no expert but surely, in the name of progress AND safety, we have to use a combination of heads-up, flat screen in binnacle (like the new TT) and voice control. That way we should be able to access any technology in the car without having to mess around with poky, unresponsive centralised flat screen consoles - which are dangerous!
So, where does that leave gesture control. Well unless the technology can read facial gestures, or use thought control [see Firefox movie with Clint Eastwood] it still leaves us taking our hands off the steering wheel to give the car a command. No thanks.
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I think it looks great :cool: Saw a few pics of this a while back from whatever car show VW were at, and the inside looks fantastic! It's the future people, embrace it! I'm sure some of you said the same things about the smart phones when they came out :laugh: ..."a phone should be for calling and nothing else blah blah blah...." - it's the way things are going, and I'm sure they've thought of the 'danger' factor while using the gesture control while on the move!
I'd certainly delay ordering an R400 to wait for this new tech to be in the facelift Golf :smiley:
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I think it looks great :cool: Saw a few pics of this a while back from whatever car show VW were at, and the inside looks fantastic! It's the future people, embrace it! I'm sure some of you said the same things about the smart phones when they came out :laugh: ..."a phone should be for calling and nothing else blah blah blah...." - it's the way things are going, and I'm sure they've thought of the 'danger' factor while using the gesture control while on the move!
I'd certainly delay ordering an R400 to wait for this new tech to be in the facelift Golf :smiley:
Im sorry but i just cannot believe that VW would bring out the R400 for six months then change to the FL. The R400 and ED40 will be facelifts without a shadow of a doubt
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Im sorry but i just cannot believe that VW would bring out the R400 for six months then change to the FL. The R400 and ED40 will be facelifts without a shadow of a doubt
Slightly off topic. Sorry OP. I distinctly remember reading somewhere that VW are moving to a shorter update cycle of 5 years between major model changes (Mk7 >> Mk8 >> Mk9 etc). So I strongly doubt they'll be facelifting the Mk 7. Can't remember my source though.
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Im sorry but i just cannot believe that VW would bring out the R400 for six months then change to the FL. The R400 and ED40 will be facelifts without a shadow of a doubt
Slightly off topic. Sorry OP. I distinctly remember reading somewhere that VW are moving to a shorter update cycle of 5 years between major model changes (Mk7 >> Mk8 >> Mk9 etc). So I strongly doubt they'll be facelifting the Mk 7. Can't remember my source though.
Ahh but to steer greatly back to the topic of the OP, his link does say Facelifted golf....
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I think it looks great :cool: Saw a few pics of this a while back from whatever car show VW were at, and the inside looks fantastic! It's the future people, embrace it! I'm sure some of you said the same things about the smart phones when they came out :laugh: ..."a phone should be for calling and nothing else blah blah blah...." - it's the way things are going, and I'm sure they've thought of the 'danger' factor while using the gesture control while on the move!
I'd certainly delay ordering an R400 to wait for this new tech to be in the facelift Golf :smiley:
There's no doubt it would or does look great :smiley:
It's not about failing to embrace new technology, as said I'm all for that (got an new iPhone 6 plus this week). It's about the technology actually working, properly without distracting the driver. If they can achieve that, then fantastic, but at moment it's just not the case, current tech fails miserably on that score.
The current VW touch screens are crude, buggy and a world away from smartphone tech we take for granted. If they can't replicate that usability in a touchscreen, which let's be honest have been around forever now it seems, then I seriously doubt their ability to give us a gesture control system which will acheive their and our aspirations on that score.
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Im sorry but i just cannot believe that VW would bring out the R400 for six months then change to the FL. The R400 and ED40 will be facelifts without a shadow of a doubt
Slightly off topic. Sorry OP. I distinctly remember reading somewhere that VW are moving to a shorter update cycle of 5 years between major model changes (Mk7 >> Mk8 >> Mk9 etc). So I strongly doubt they'll be facelifting the Mk 7. Can't remember my source though.
Yeah, it was new model every 5 years with a facelift every 3 years.
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There's no doubt it would or does look great :smiley:
It's not about failing to embrace new technology, as said I'm all for that (got an new iPhone 6 plus this week). It's about the technology actually working, properly without distracting the driver. If they can achieve that, then fantastic, but at moment it's just not the case, current tech fails miserably on that score.
The current VW touch screens are crude, buggy and a world away from smartphone tech we take for granted. If they can't replicate that usability in a touchscreen, which let's be honest have been around forever now it seems, then I seriously doubt their ability to give us a gesture control system which will acheive their and our aspirations on that score.
I don't have any problem with my touchscreen (other than it didn't work a few times first thing in the morning during the winter, but that only lasted a few mins). Yes, they are no where near as slick as an iPhone or something like that, but for the car I think its just fine - it does its job.
Also, I don't see any difference between the new technology and an old school tape deck. Everything distracts the driver. Even a passenger can distract a driver. It's up to the person in control of the car to assess the situation when using the dials/controls/gestures at the safest moment. Fiddling around with your radio, whether it be an old school button/a dial/new fangled hand movements at the same moment as, say, coming towards a load of red lights on a motorway will result in you missing the brake lights/screeching to a halt - whether you're swiping with your arm or fiddling with a dial. Best to wait till you've dealt with the situation on the road, then fiddle with what you need to do. Same as mucking around with the temperature controls while going round a sharp bend - it's irrelevant whether it's a dial or whether you're twirling your finger round in a circle to up the temperature - either way you're not concentrating on the road, and you should be waiting until you're on a straight. Personally, I don't like making calls while I'm driving, even though it's via bluetooth. Often I'll ignore the call until I get home, as I don't like being distracted while driving. Saying that, the feature is very handy :smiley:
And even if it doesn't work all that well, it still looks very cool :laugh:
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Blimey, tape decks in cars, that takes me back.
You make some fair points matchboy, but we're are so interconnected with our various 'devices' these days (I'm no different) that it's easier to get drawn into fiddling about with these things, and continuing to fiddle with them if they don't do what we want the first time, or the second, or the third.....and so on. At least with a cassette you just shoved it in, listed to one side, ejected it, turned it over shoved it back in and listened to the other side. In those days people did actually listen to whole albums and not just a collection of random tracks as is the modern way :grin: so arguably there was less messing about once the tape was playing.
It takes more discipline to ignore today's tech when it gets a bit twitchy and focus on the driving. Like you I try to avoid changing stereo, aircon settings etc, etc when the attention needs to be on the road, and make very few calls on the move. But it's other drivers who are less disciplined that would worry me, you only have to look around when you're in traffic to see everyone head down and texting. What do you think those people are going to be like with their fancy new gesture control? Terrifying :grin:
I'll be pleased if the current touchscreen tech in the MK7, and the forthcoming MIB Gen2 (if I ever get my R) is an improvement on the Mk6, which frankly, is a piece of crap!
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Blimey, tape decks in cars, that takes me back.
You make some fair points matchboy, but we're are so interconnected with our various 'devices' these days (I'm no different) that it's easier to get drawn into fiddling about with these things, and continuing to fiddle with them if they don't do what we want the first time, or the second, or the third.....and so on. At least with a cassette you just shoved it in, listed to one side, ejected it, turned it over shoved it back in and listened to the other side. Mind you, in those days people did actually listen to whole albums and not just flick from track to track as is the modern way :laugh:
It takes more discipline to ignore today's tech when it gets a bit twitchy and focus on the driving. Like you I try to avoid changing stereo, aircon settings etc, etc when the attention needs to be on the road, and make very few calls on the move. But it's other drivers who are less disciplined that would worry me, you only have to look around when you're in traffic to see everyone head down and texting. What do you think those people are going to be like with their fancy new gesture control? Terrifying :grin:
I'll be pleased if the current touchscreen tech in the MK7, and the forthcoming MIB Gen2 (if I ever get my R) is an improvement on the Mk6, which frankly, is a piece of crap!
...T...a.a.a....p....e...? Nope, never heard of it :grin:
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Blimey, tape decks in cars, that takes me back.
You make some fair points matchboy, but we're are so interconnected with our various 'devices' these days (I'm no different) that it's easier to get drawn into fiddling about with these things, and continuing to fiddle with them if they don't do what we want the first time, or the second, or the third.....and so on. At least with a cassette you just shoved it in, listed to one side, ejected it, turned it over shoved it back in and listened to the other side. Mind you, in those days people did actually listen to whole albums and not just flick from track to track as is the modern way :laugh:
It takes more discipline to ignore today's tech when it gets a bit twitchy and focus on the driving. Like you I try to avoid changing stereo, aircon settings etc, etc when the attention needs to be on the road, and make very few calls on the move. But it's other drivers who are less disciplined that would worry me, you only have to look around when you're in traffic to see everyone head down and texting. What do you think those people are going to be like with their fancy new gesture control? Terrifying :grin:
I'll be pleased if the current touchscreen tech in the MK7, and the forthcoming MIB Gen2 (if I ever get my R) is an improvement on the Mk6, which frankly, is a piece of crap!
...T...a.a.a....p....e...? Nope, never heard of it :grin:
Oh, you've not lived!
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Blimey, tape decks in cars, that takes me back.
You make some fair points matchboy, but we're are so interconnected with our various 'devices' these days (I'm no different) that it's easier to get drawn into fiddling about with these things, and continuing to fiddle with them if they don't do what we want the first time, or the second, or the third.....and so on. At least with a cassette you just shoved it in, listed to one side, ejected it, turned it over shoved it back in and listened to the other side. Mind you, in those days people did actually listen to whole albums and not just flick from track to track as is the modern way :laugh:
It takes more discipline to ignore today's tech when it gets a bit twitchy and focus on the driving. Like you I try to avoid changing stereo, aircon settings etc, etc when the attention needs to be on the road, and make very few calls on the move. But it's other drivers who are less disciplined that would worry me, you only have to look around when you're in traffic to see everyone head down and texting. What do you think those people are going to be like with their fancy new gesture control? Terrifying :grin:
I'll be pleased if the current touchscreen tech in the MK7, and the forthcoming MIB Gen2 (if I ever get my R) is an improvement on the Mk6, which frankly, is a piece of crap!
...T...a.a.a....p....e...? Nope, never heard of it :grin:
Oh, you've not lived!
Don't you just hate people who are too young to remember tape decks in cars :laugh:
Yes, I'm very guilty of flicking between tracks - I never listen to a full album :grin:
I totally agree about the other people - I see so many morons texting, actually on their phones (non bluetooth), not paying attention to their mirrors etc etc - so the thought of them waving their arms about turning the air con on is indeed terrifying :grin:
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Blimey, tape decks in cars, that takes me back.
You make some fair points matchboy, but we're are so interconnected with our various 'devices' these days (I'm no different) that it's easier to get drawn into fiddling about with these things, and continuing to fiddle with them if they don't do what we want the first time, or the second, or the third.....and so on. At least with a cassette you just shoved it in, listed to one side, ejected it, turned it over shoved it back in and listened to the other side. Mind you, in those days people did actually listen to whole albums and not just flick from track to track as is the modern way :laugh:
It takes more discipline to ignore today's tech when it gets a bit twitchy and focus on the driving. Like you I try to avoid changing stereo, aircon settings etc, etc when the attention needs to be on the road, and make very few calls on the move. But it's other drivers who are less disciplined that would worry me, you only have to look around when you're in traffic to see everyone head down and texting. What do you think those people are going to be like with their fancy new gesture control? Terrifying :grin:
I'll be pleased if the current touchscreen tech in the MK7, and the forthcoming MIB Gen2 (if I ever get my R) is an improvement on the Mk6, which frankly, is a piece of crap!
...T...a.a.a....p....e...? Nope, never heard of it :grin:
Oh, you've not lived!
Don't you just hate people who are too young to remember tape decks in cars :laugh:
Yes, I'm very guilty of flicking between tracks - I never listen to a full album :grin:
I totally agree about the other people - I see so many morons texting, actually on their phones (non bluetooth), not paying attention to their mirrors etc etc - so the thought of them waving their arms about turning the air con on is indeed terrifying :grin:
ok ok i remember seeing tape decks, I used to have my booster seat on the middle seat after all :grin:
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Don't you just hate people who are too young to remember tape decks in cars :laugh:
Yep :laugh:
ok ok i remember seeing tape decks, I used to have my booster seat on the middle seat after all :grin:
Booster seats! They are for wusses, bloody pampered kids these days :laugh: Didn't have them in my kidhood, survived to tell the tale :tongue:
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Don't you just hate people who are too young to remember tape decks in cars :laugh:
Yep :laugh:
ok ok i remember seeing tape decks, I used to have my booster seat on the middle seat after all :grin:
Booster seats! They are for wusses, bloody pampered kids these days :laugh: Didn't have them in my kidhood, survived to tell the tale :tongue:
Me neither - I remember many a 320 mile trip between Hartlepool and Southampton sat in the boot of my Dad's Granada estate, being one of five kids. No gameboys or portable DVD players back to keep me entertained either, just the view out of the back window.
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I'm not a fan of moving key controls onto touch screens, as is the current trend, because it's bloody unsafe! So moving towards gesture controls seems bonkers to me. Style over function. I think they, the car designers, should be concentrating their efforts on finding ways to operate all essential controls from the steering wheel. Surely it's much safer to keep your eyes ahead and learn how to navigate the key controls whilst holding the steering wheel. If they put their minds to it you could have an F1 style steering wheel in which the driver could access 'almost' anything without needing to look across to a sodding touch screen. Which is both dangerous and clunky whilst on the move.
I wholeheartedly agree.
The inability to deliver a seemless touch screen system, does not instill confidence in anything more advanced. It's one thing to have useful driver aids but anything that significantly causes driver distraction is unsafe.
I'm all for advances in tech but the lines are becoming too blurred, people are forgetting the basic requirements of driving a car, number one being focus on driving the thing. A car is not an oversized smartphone, nor should it be.
Ferrari are slammed in the press for having the steering wheel with to many buttons and so difficult to comprehend that they wish they had a normal i drive style system
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I'm not a fan of moving key controls onto touch screens, as is the current trend, because it's bloody unsafe! So moving towards gesture controls seems bonkers to me. Style over function. I think they, the car designers, should be concentrating their efforts on finding ways to operate all essential controls from the steering wheel. Surely it's much safer to keep your eyes ahead and learn how to navigate the key controls whilst holding the steering wheel. If they put their minds to it you could have an F1 style steering wheel in which the driver could access 'almost' anything without needing to look across to a sodding touch screen. Which is both dangerous and clunky whilst on the move.
I wholeheartedly agree.
The inability to deliver a seemless touch screen system, does not instill confidence in anything more advanced. It's one thing to have useful driver aids but anything that significantly causes driver distraction is unsafe.
I'm all for advances in tech but the lines are becoming too blurred, people are forgetting the basic requirements of driving a car, number one being focus on driving the thing. A car is not an oversized smartphone, nor should it be.
Ferrari are slammed in the press for having the steering wheel with to many buttons and so difficult to comprehend that they wish they had a normal i drive style system
A fair point but I'm sure VW/Audi group engineers could crack it. They're ergonomics are usually superb.
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Me neither - I remember many a 320 mile trip between Hartlepool and Southampton sat in the boot of my Dad's Granada estate, being one of five kids. No gameboys or portable DVD players back to keep me entertained either, just the view out of the back window.
Ah, the view from the back window, I remember that. We used to regularly make trips from Brighouse to London with my Dad's work (4 kids in the back), counting cars and enjoying the changing scenery.......those were the days!
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Me too, I have fond memories of travelling in style from cornwall to heathrow in the back of a brown austin maxi sitting on top of a load of suitcases in the boot. It's amazing how kids were treated equally as well as the family pet in the 80's. Kids these days have it too good. :smiley:
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Me too, I have fond memories of travelling in style from cornwall to heathrow in the back of a brown austin maxi sitting on top of a load of suitcases in the boot. It's amazing how kids were treated equally as well as the family pet in the 80's. Kids these days have it too good. :smiley:
Good times - lots of very memorable journeys in varying cars including a blue Ford Zephyr and green Ford Capri.
I remember a trip through Europe, travelling through Italy, squished in the back with my 3 sisters, getting very thirsty. There was a fancy bottle in the back of the car which I took to be Ribena and promptly swigged it down. Turned out to be a bottle of cheap Chianti, the type in a half basket bottle. My parents didn't seem particularly bothered by this, probably because I zonked out asleep for hours and gave them some blessed relief from the constant "are we there yet" whining. Come to think of it they may have deliberately planted the stuff :laugh: If it happened now, I'd be put in care!
Anyway, anyone for Gesture Control :whistle: