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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: charv94 on 22 May 2015, 22:38
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I don't know if anyone feels the same, but as i drive around i seem to be surrounded by gtd's and R's. Its almost as if no one gets a GTI anymore.
I for one am pleased about this because it makes me feel nice to know I've got something slightly different? Does anyone else feel similar?
Ive been reading how the R lot are unhappy about the lease deals because of the amount of R's turning up and the ones who bought are worrying about residuals. Do you think that this could be good for GTI's residuals as there are less of them, or bad because the R's will cost pennies so why would you buy a GTI used?
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Tbh I see loads of all 3 around here. 2 GTI's within a couple of streets and more in the surrounding area. Seen 3 different GTD's within a couple of miles and 2 R's.
Worst I have seen was Stonehaven just south of Aberdeen a few weeks ago there were 4 R's in the same small town square at the same time and there were a few GTI/GTD's areound as well.
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I've seen very few GTIs near me, although when I was up in Aberdeenshire recently for a few days I saw a few. It's mostly GTDs that I see locally, but just recently I've noticed a few more Rs.
I would hope it would be good for residuals, but who knows.
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Loads of cash up in Aberdeen pjr. The guys I noticed driving the R's were no more than 24 years old and would probably be driving Corsa's if they lived in the central belt.
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I do think it's a shame that cheapleasegate led to a glut of R's and has reduced the exclusivity. That said, there are hardly any R's in my area (seen only 1 so far), a handful of GTI's but lots and lots of GTD's.
I've read the thread you refer to and tbh, I think they're panicking unnecessarily about the residuals.
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I think it depends where you live. I see at least 6-7 GTD a day around here and generally at least 1-2 GTI's but I have only seen 2 R's since it was released. Other than the one on my driveway of course.
Where as up north, they seem to be swamped in R's
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I agree about the GTD's being more popular, I see loads and loads of them. With the occasional R but i am very rarely seeing GTI's
Its just not the car of choice, i see more a45's where i live than i do gti's
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I was thinking the same only a couple of weeks ago.
GTD, then R's and finally the occasionally GTI.
See very few GTI's which is great i think being a GTI owner.
In Germany last month and didn't see a GTI at all, and I was near a popular car resort.
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one of the reasons i decided to buy the GTI over the R as the time there were so many cheap lease deals on the R's I got the impression there would be a flood of them in the market.
I see quite a few GTDs where I live, and a couple of R's but only 1 GTI --- Mine :grin:
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Who cares !!
I bought my car for me. I couldn't care less how many other GTI's, GTD's or R's there around me (Not a lot actually as it turns out)
For those that have bought them though, it just goes to show great minds think alike when it come to their choice of car !!
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I'm surprised how crap most of the cars around my area are to be honest. I love seeing nice cars, whether it be another R, and GTI etc. best car I have seen today so far is an 03 plate WRX.
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Loads of GTDs , probably company cars mostly, quite a few Rs over recent months, GTIs seem few and far between.
Will this affect resale? Not really bothered as I'm not selling for a long while, it will be worth what it's worth when the time comes.
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I'm surprised how crap most of the cars around my area are to be honest. I love seeing nice cars, whether it be another R, and GTI etc. best car I have seen today so far is an 03 plate WRX.
that is a shame, where i live helps to fuel my passion for cars, two doors down the guy has 4 cars for two drivers, a 458 spider, vanquish volante, cayenne turbo s and an m3. cars are encroaching on the price of his house !!! now he's a car nut
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I see lots of mk7s in general. VW must of made a killing Sith the new shape and models. Definitely see more GTDs than GTIs or Rs but we know its because its the best model ;-)
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Around Belfast I must see 10 GTD's a day and 2/3 R's. A GTI is a relatively rare sighting at one every fortnight. I do have a friend who works for VW finance and he was saying a GTI is a rare sell comparatively.
It can't do the residuals any harm :smiley:
One thing I do have to say is the more I see the R's on the road the initial excitement to own one has wained. I really think the GTI is a better looking motor.
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Around Belfast I must see 10 GTD's a day and 2/3 R's. A GTI is a relatively rare sighting at one every fortnight. I do have a friend who works for VW finance and he was saying a GTI is a rare sell comparatively.
It can't do the residuals any harm :smiley:
One thing I do have to say is the more I see the R's on the road the initial excitement to own one has wained. I really think the GTI is a better looking motor.
It's not all about looks :wink:
Just seen another R this morning, lovely Lapiz Blue :cool: That makes grand total of 2 I've seen round here now.
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The problem with the present GTI is, it is piggy in the middle between the frugal and relatively fast GTD and the performance orientated and superior R.
Now, when the R400/420 emerges and when the present piggy in the middle GTI is superseded by the GTI Clubsport, there will be no piggy in the middle. However, the GTI Clubsport still won't be as fast as an R.
Both GTIs might probably remain exclusive by default.
Interestingly, the bottom positioning of the GTD, for performance Golfs, is secure.
ETTO.
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The problem with the present GTI is, it is piggy in the middle between the frugal and relatively fast GTD and the performance orientated and superior R.
Now, when the R400/420 emerges and when the present piggy in the middle GTI is superseded by the GTI Clubsport, the latter will be the new piggy in the middle and it still won't be as fast as an R.
Interestingly, the bottom positioning of the GTD for performance Golfs is secure.
Haha, you know how to stir things up!
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Haha, you know how to stir things up!
Lord, you react so quickly!
Adjusted my post as there won't be any piggy in the middle!
Intention was not to stir, just state how things will be and to inject some realism..
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Haha, you know how to stir things up!
Lord, you react so quickly!
Adjusted my post as there won't be any piggy in the middle!
Intention was not to stir, just state how things will be and to inject some realism..
Why amend your original post?? I was looking forward to the ensuing wails of protest, spoilsport.
I don't think it's a case of one being superior to the other. All three, GTD/GTI/R, have their own place and you take your pick depending on your requirements. Remains to be seen quite how the R400/20 and Clubsport will fit into the burgeoning family.
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Fair comment by am1w, the GTI has been a victim of the R's success. I can't see the lack of sales helping used values as it's not any more desirable.
The clubsport should fare better being a special (or limited) edition and ill more than likely be ordering one when they are released.
Be interesting to see how the MK8 GTI is priced as it's too close to the R in the current guise.
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I was thinking the same only a couple of weeks ago.
GTD, then R's and finally the occasionally GTI.
See very few GTI's which is great i think being a GTI owner.
In Germany last month and didn't see a GTI at all, and I was near a popular car resort.
Funny you should mention Germany. I kept an eye out for the cars in Berlin and spotted only a single R, no S3/S4/S5/S6/GTI/GTDs in 4 days. Everyone seemed to be driving in bottom rung Polo/Golf/Passat/A1/A3/A4 or high end cars - I saw a fair few recent Porsche 911s, Ferraris and Lambos. Those that were driving those cars were revving the cars at the lights and racing off, seemingly to attract attention to themselves for driving such a good car.
Might be the deeply ingrained German mentality of frugality and value for money for the ordinary metal - perhaps to them a Golf is just a Golf, so why not buy the cheap one?
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The GTI should be what the R is leaving Seat to do the fast FWD bit with the Leon.
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Why amend your original post?? I was looking forward to the ensuing wails of protest, spoilsport.
Because with the release of the R400/420, the maths for the piggy in the middle analogy did not work. :kiss: :laugh:
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The R benefits from 4wd traction from standstill, once rolling this is negated. I believe the R has delusions of grandeur, its definitely not leaps and bounds ahead of a GTI.
The GTD isn't that frugal anyway, many of the people on heres long term averages are 45 maybe, mine is 37 in the gti.
The R is more thirsty, Smaller booted, More to insure and higher tax cost oh and lets not get onto the waiting lists hey? 3 months my GTI took, id still be waiting for the R. I'd not say it was superior.
Then again i bought my GTI and not an R for many of these reasons
Plus the heritage of driving a descendant of the first ever hot hatch
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The R benefits from 4wd traction from standstill, once rolling this is negated. I believe the R has delusions of grandeur, its definitely not leaps and bounds ahead of a GTI.
The GTD isn't that frugal anyway, many of the people on heres long term averages are 45 maybe, mine is 37 in the gti.
The R is more thirsty, Smaller booted, More to insure and higher tax cost oh and lets not get onto the waiting lists hey? 3 months my GTI took, id still be waiting for the R. I'd not say it was superior.
Then again i bought my GTI and not an R for many of these reasons
Plus the heritage of driving a descendant of the first ever hot hatch
It's clear you haven't driven the R.
I had my mk7 GTI for 14 months and did 32k miles in it.
The feel of the R compared to the GTI is completely different. The engine feels a lot more powerful, the general traction, and although not full time AWD it makes a massive difference in a lot more situation that just a launch...wet weather for instance. along with the fact it actually sounds good without the need for a sound actuator with a two stage exhaust.
The GTI is a great car, but there is a reason people go for the R over it. Generally MPG isn't a consideration for that sort of car.
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The R benefits from 4wd traction from standstill, once rolling this is negated. I believe the R has delusions of grandeur, its definitely not leaps and bounds ahead of a GTI.
The GTD isn't that frugal anyway, many of the people on heres long term averages are 45 maybe, mine is 37 in the gti.
The R is more thirsty, Smaller booted, More to insure and higher tax cost oh and lets not get onto the waiting lists hey? 3 months my GTI took, id still be waiting for the R. I'd not say it was superior.
Then again i bought my GTI and not an R for many of these reasons
Plus the heritage of driving a descendant of the first ever hot hatch
It's clear you haven't driven the R.
I had my mk7 GTI for 14 months and did 32k miles in it.
The feel of the R compared to the GTI is completely different. The engine feels a lot more powerful, the general traction, and although not full time AWD it makes a massive difference in a lot more situation that just a launch...wet weather for instance. along with the fact it actually sounds good without the need for a sound actuator with a two stage exhaust.
The GTI is a great car, but there is a reason people go for the R over it. Generally MPG isn't a consideration for that sort of car.
This calls for flying the flag for the R and I will pull no punches.
The present GTI is a serious slow coach, suffers from wheelspin and is a poop pot in comparison to the R. The GTI is a has been and is outdated seriously with its lack of grunt. Hence the release of the GTI Clubsport.
When I compared the GTI to the R, I was shocked as to how miserably slow it felt and it was a sad experience driving it.
Poor charv94 is the delusional one as he wants so much for the GTI to be as good as an R and it is not. The GTI is a very good car, but the R is a great car.
The only thing in the GTI's favour is it has a slightly bigger boot! So what? I'd get a GTD for that.
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This calls for flying the flag for the R and I will pull no punches.
The present GTI is a serious slow coach, suffers from wheelspin and is a poop pot in comparison to the R. The GTI is a has been and is outdated seriously with its lack of grunt. Hence the release of the GTI Clubsport.
When I compared the GTI to the R, I was shocked as to how miserably slow it felt and it was a sad experience driving it.
Poor charv94 is the delusional one as he wants so much for the GTI to be as good as an R and it is not. The GTI is a very good car, but the R is a great car.
The only thing in the GTI's favour is it has a slightly bigger boot! So what? I'd get a GTD for that.
I was never in the market for an R, insurance was a defining factor in my choice of car.
I am aware the R is a better car, why would you make a flagship worse? I am just outlining the point that the R is still flawed. Its not a bad car i never called it a bad car. If you were to drive an R then a GTI of course it would be slow, salesmen are clever people. Plus in the hot hatch market, its not actually that out gunned in the normal driving situation so i resent that statement of it being slow.
Delusional is a bit strong too. £30K makes the car for its performance capability and practicality a bargain. I absolutely agree its a great car, but i dislike the slamming of the GTI by the R lot.
Plus as the thread title aimed at, the R is as common as fiesta st's now thanks to the coupling of lease deals and press rave reviews.
Also in relation to you Clubsport comment about the GTI not being good enough, Explain to me the R400 then using your same logic?
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The R benefits from 4wd traction from standstill, once rolling this is negated. I believe the R has delusions of grandeur, its definitely not leaps and bounds ahead of a GTI.
The GTD isn't that frugal anyway, many of the people on heres long term averages are 45 maybe, mine is 37 in the gti.
The R is more thirsty, Smaller booted, More to insure and higher tax cost oh and lets not get onto the waiting lists hey? 3 months my GTI took, id still be waiting for the R. I'd not say it was superior.
Then again i bought my GTI and not an R for many of these reasons
Plus the heritage of driving a descendant of the first ever hot hatch
It's clear you haven't driven the R.
I had my mk7 GTI for 14 months and did 32k miles in it.
The feel of the R compared to the GTI is completely different. The engine feels a lot more powerful, the general traction, and although not full time AWD it makes a massive difference in a lot more situation that just a launch...wet weather for instance. along with the fact it actually sounds good without the need for a sound actuator with a two stage exhaust.
The GTI is a great car, but there is a reason people go for the R over it. Generally MPG isn't a consideration for that sort of car.
Id love to have driven an R but insurance negated this, i can't afford double priced insurance when i already get stuck with £700.
MPG was a weak point in that rant i will concede, its not a car for MPG.
Exhaust too, yep not the best in the GTI and agree the sound actuator is probably needed.
In regards to traction, slingshotting out of bends etc would be good in an R but i haven't suffered from lack of grip or understeer yet
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The R benefits from 4wd traction from standstill, once rolling this is negated. I believe the R has delusions of grandeur, its definitely not leaps and bounds ahead of a GTI.
The GTD isn't that frugal anyway, many of the people on heres long term averages are 45 maybe, mine is 37 in the gti.
The R is more thirsty, Smaller booted, More to insure and higher tax cost oh and lets not get onto the waiting lists hey? 3 months my GTI took, id still be waiting for the R. I'd not say it was superior.
Then again i bought my GTI and not an R for many of these reasons
Plus the heritage of driving a descendant of the first ever hot hatch
It's clear you haven't driven the R.
I had my mk7 GTI for 14 months and did 32k miles in it.
The feel of the R compared to the GTI is completely different. The engine feels a lot more powerful, the general traction, and although not full time AWD it makes a massive difference in a lot more situation that just a launch...wet weather for instance. along with the fact it actually sounds good without the need for a sound actuator with a two stage exhaust.
The GTI is a great car, but there is a reason people go for the R over it. Generally MPG isn't a consideration for that sort of car.
This calls for flying the flag for the R and I will pull no punches.
The present GTI is a serious slow coach, suffers from wheelspin and is a poop pot in comparison to the R. The GTI is a has been and is outdated seriously with its lack of grunt. Hence the release of the GTI Clubsport.
When I compared the GTI to the R, I was shocked as to how miserably slow it felt and it was a sad experience driving it.
Poor charv94 is the delusional one as he wants so much for the GTI to be as good as an R and it is not. The GTI is a very good car, but the R is a great car.
The only thing in the GTI's favour is it has a slightly bigger boot! So what? I'd get a GTD for that.
I must admit there really is no comparison in driving experience comparing the GTI and the R. I test drove an R when my GTI was in for a repair. 6 weeks later my GTI was gone.
I wouldn't slate an R until you drive it, you'll probably change your mind.
Also on the boot space. You only lose the lower floor. I never used it anyway.
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Poor charv94 is not only delusional but is suffering badly from the sour grapes syndrome.
The R400 is a very expensive car in comparison to the R(300) whereas the R(300) is not that much more expensive than the slow coach (sales and performance), wheel spinning GTI.
The R(300) increasingly appears to be the sweet spot in the Performance Golf range.
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Well thanks for your opinion.
I won't take it to heart. you can keep your tape measure too, I'm perfectly happy not comparing size
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The R should be better as it's more expensive, the pp GTI is a fantastic car (some of the car mag long termers loved it) in its own right, the problem is the pricing. £3k difference for more bhp and AWD isn't that much more on the monthlies, coupled with the flavour of the month bit going on and the 50p lease deals - I'm not surprised there are so many more around.
I saw 6 in an hour journey a few weeks back and no GTI's.
Will be interesting to see how the clubsport is priced.
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Gd point well made JB. Buy what you want cos you like it, not for any other reason.
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Gd point well made JB. Buy what you want cos you like it, not for any other reason.
+1. I would hope that's a given for most people on here, but maybe not :huh:
IMO, the Golf GTD, GTI and the R are very nice cars, but hardly status symbol's by today's standards. If that's what you want your car to be?
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Anyone buying a Golf for exclusivity is going to be disappointed, it's a VW, not a hand built supercar. Unless the Clubsport or R400/420 come with a small and fixed number of examples hitting these shores, you will always need to be looking outside VAG and spending a lot more money for the privilege.
Give it a year for the R to catch up with the 1 year headstart the GTI had and the GTI will arguably be the more exclusive car (although still not very exclusive) because many people believe that the R is worth paying that little bit more for. There weren't many 6Rs made, but I believe that was due to a lack of demand rather than VW's intentions to make it exclusive. The 6R was only a smidge more powerful than the R32 and the gap between GTI and R wasn't as pronounced as it is now. With the introduction of the MK6, the Golf became a very expensive proposition (20% more than the outgoing MK5).
Whether you get a GTD, GTI or R, you're not exactly slumming it - but now the GTI is just sitting in the middle, not the most frugal nor the most powerful, most people will be buying a performance Golf for one or the other of those things.
For 95% of your time behind the wheel, it will not matter whether it is either of those 3, but for that other 5% of the time when you're mashing the accelerator, you will either be looking for great acceleration at the expense of mpg or decent in gear acceleration without the fuel penalty, and the GTI isn't quite as good at either as the other 2.
If you're looking for exclusivity then the R400 might be the way to go - there will be people for whom the car is beyond their means, and others who will scoff at paying that much for a Golf. I can't see many R owners chopping in theirs for an R400 for one of the reasons above, unless the GFVs are such that it becomes not much on a monthly basis.
Given that the current GFVs are around 48% for a GTI, and 50% for GTD/R, you'd have to see GFVs of around 60% RRP for the R400 to only be £40 per month more over 36 months on a PCP if it were £8k more, assuming similar discounts can be achieved on the R400 as can be found on the R. Will that be the case? If the numbers are low and the demand high, I doubt you'll get a 12% discount on an R400.
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If you want your GTI to be exclusive, then move to Cyprus.
I know I had the first here and I am reliably told there is only one other on the island!
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Anyone buying a Golf for exclusivity is going to be disappointed, it's a VW, not a hand built supercar. Unless the Clubsport or R400/420 come with a small and fixed number of examples hitting these shores, you will always need to be looking outside VAG and spending a lot more money for the privilege. - I agree
Whether you get a GTD, GTI or R, you're not exactly slumming it - but now the GTI is just sitting in the middle, not the most frugal nor the most powerful, most people will be buying a performance Golf for one or the other of those things. - Yes, piggy in the middle as I have already said. Thus neither fish nor fowl.
For 95% of your time behind the wheel, it will not matter whether it is either of those 3, but for that other 5% of the time when you're mashing the accelerator, you will either be looking for great acceleration at the expense of mpg or decent in gear acceleration without the fuel penalty, and the GTI isn't quite as good at either as the other 2. - With the GTD, much of the time one will have to put up with Diesel rattle. With the GTI, one will always know it is piggy in the middle and a car which is a slow coach. Overpriced for what it is.
If you're looking for exclusivity then the R400 might be the way to go - there will be people for whom the car is beyond their means, and others who will scoff at paying that much for a Golf. I can't see many R owners chopping in theirs for an R400 for one of the reasons above, unless the GFVs are such that it becomes not much on a monthly basis. - I am afraid not. It is a VW Golf and will always be viewed as such.
My comments in blue in response to some parts of your excellent post.
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When there's a car on my mind I usually see loads of them, but whilst I waited for my GTI to arrive I think I saw two or three others. The rest nearly all seemed to be GTD or R, I don't even think I've seen that many regular MK7s or perhaps they just don't catch my eye.
For me the GTi PP was the one to get in the real world, it won over the R purely on styling. I really disliked the quad pipes, silver mirrors, R logo'd seats, blue LED interior.. There was a lot of talk about it being a real sleeper car, but I never understood that with four massive pipes and big shiny mirrors like an S3.
Each to their own clearly! I respect the R for the beast that it is and it's phenomenally capable, but for me it's the model in the lineup that doesn't really know what it is.
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When there's a car on my mind I usually see loads of them, but whilst I waited for my GTI to arrive I think I saw two or three others. The rest nearly all seemed to be GTD or R, I don't even think I've seen that many regular MK7s or perhaps they just don't catch my eye.
For me the GTi PP was the one to get in the real world, it won over the R purely on styling. I really disliked the quad pipes, silver mirrors, R logo'd seats, blue LED interior.. There was a lot of talk about it being a real sleeper car, but I never understood that with four massive pipes and big shiny mirrors like an S3.
Each to their own clearly! I respect the R for the beast that it is and it's phenomenally capable, but for me it's the model in the lineup that doesn't really know what it is.
Utter bilge and tosh.
The poor GTI is a has been, a slow coach and a non-seller as it is not good enough anymore and the buying public recognise this as do VW.
The front is also horrid with that stupid red lipstick going through the headlights. How crass is that? Not to mention those stupid Ferrari Testarossa veins along the front bumper edges covering the fogs. What a pathetic wannabe attachment is that and so overdone, eh? Plus, those horrid plaid seats now look so last Tuesday and chav. (Sorry, but same for the GTD regarding the seat fabric. Though in that car they have got rid of the red so it looks less irritating and much more pleasant to the eye).
Sour grapes again.
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The R mirrors aren't shiny they are Matt chrome and I love the blue lighting.This is the Gti forum and I've had a few so won't here a bad word against it.Most of us here with R's have been on here since our Gti days and will always have a great affection for it but the R is,I'm afraid a class above.I agree about the 4 exhausts though,2 in the middle like the mk6R would be to my preference.
It really is something to floor it and get up to legal speed limits without any fuss or wheel spin.
I wonder if the 6 R was more exclusive because the country was in a recession back then?
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The R mirrors aren't shiny they are Matt chrome and I love the blue lighting.This is the Gti forum and I've had a few so won't here a bad word against it.Most of us here with R's have been on here since our Gti days and will always have a great affection for it but the R is,I'm afraid a class above.I agree about the 4 exhausts though,2 in the middle like the mk6R would be to my preference.
It really is something to floor it and get up to legal speed limits without any fuss or wheel spin.
I wonder if the 6 R was more exclusive because the country was in a recession back then?
I know this is the GTI forum, but there are not enough 7GTIs around. Us R and GTD owners spice up this forum!
Regarding the 6R, it too was a slow seller much like the 7GTI. The 6R did not have very good reviews and the 6GTI which was generally considered the better car by the press. I for one liked the 6R very much even though I had a 6GTI. Even today, the 6R really looks the business.
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When there's a car on my mind I usually see loads of them, but whilst I waited for my GTI to arrive I think I saw two or three others. The rest nearly all seemed to be GTD or R, I don't even think I've seen that many regular MK7s or perhaps they just don't catch my eye.
For me the GTi PP was the one to get in the real world, it won over the R purely on styling. I really disliked the quad pipes, silver mirrors, R logo'd seats, blue LED interior.. There was a lot of talk about it being a real sleeper car, but I never understood that with four massive pipes and big shiny mirrors like an S3.
Each to their own clearly! I respect the R for the beast that it is and it's phenomenally capable, but for me it's the model in the lineup that doesn't really know what it is.
Utter bilge and tosh.
The poor GTI is a has been, a slow coach and a non-seller as it is not good enough anymore and the buying public recognise this as do VW.
The front is also horrid with that stupid red lipstick going through the headlights. How crass is that? Not to mention those stupid Ferrari Testarossa veins along the front bumper edges covering the fogs. What a pathetic wannabe attachment is that and so overdone, eh? Plus, those horrid plaid seats now look so last Tuesday and chav. (Sorry, but same for the GTD regarding the seat fabric. Though in that car they have got rid of the red so it looks less irritating and much more pleasant to the eye).
Sour grapes again.
@am1w
I can't be the only one on here that thinks you are a proper tool sometimes. Not sure of your age but honestly, do you ever go back and look at what you have written?
9000 posts so I'm sure you will reply as you clearly are a post count king
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Ha, ha. Great to get a reaction.
Now be a kind tool yourself to kindly provide instructions on how you did your rear door plates to light up? Much wiring etc?
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@ Jackie Treehorn - no your not the only one. It's just done to get a reaction, waste of time rising too it.
You always get these sorts on forums don't you.
There's one guy on the R forum who slates the car at every turn, I don't understand why he even has the car if it's so rubbish.
I don't know why people waste their time trolling.
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When there's a car on my mind I usually see loads of them, but whilst I waited for my GTI to arrive I think I saw two or three others. The rest nearly all seemed to be GTD or R, I don't even think I've seen that many regular MK7s or perhaps they just don't catch my eye.
For me the GTi PP was the one to get in the real world, it won over the R purely on styling. I really disliked the quad pipes, silver mirrors, R logo'd seats, blue LED interior.. There was a lot of talk about it being a real sleeper car, but I never understood that with four massive pipes and big shiny mirrors like an S3.
Each to their own clearly! I respect the R for the beast that it is and it's phenomenally capable, but for me it's the model in the lineup that doesn't really know what it is.
Utter bilge and tosh.
The poor GTI is a has been, a slow coach and a non-seller as it is not good enough anymore and the buying public recognise this as do VW.
The front is also horrid with that stupid red lipstick going through the headlights. How crass is that? Not to mention those stupid Ferrari Testarossa veins along the front bumper edges covering the fogs. What a pathetic wannabe attachment is that and so overdone, eh? Plus, those horrid plaid seats now look so last Tuesday and chav. (Sorry, but same for the GTD regarding the seat fabric. Though in that car they have got rid of the red so it looks less irritating and much more pleasant to the eye).
Sour grapes again.
@am1w
I can't be the only one on here that thinks you are a proper tool sometimes. Not sure of your age but honestly, do you ever go back and look at what you have written?
9000 posts so I'm sure you will reply as you clearly are a post count king
I completely agree, sometimes reasonable and very helpful. But on this issue a complete tool. Very much a R fanatic which is fine, but i think he's just got something wrong with his idea of a GTI. Its not a slow coach, its not ugly in the slightest, i think the R is good looking from every angle, just like i think the GTI is.
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now gents, we are all entitled to our own opinion, and as long as we all play nice then thats cool.
and we all know,the mk2 will always be the best from the mk3 onwards all the golfs have been getting fatter and fatter especially the mk5.75 ( in any format be it GTi GTD or R ) :grin:
And sits, and waits :kiss:
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I think that's enough willy waving now children :rolleyes: The more slagging that goes on, the more entrenched people will become. Each person chooses the car that's right for them, end of surely :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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now gents, we are all entitled to our own opinion, and as long as we all play nice then thats cool.
and we all know,the mk2 will always be the best from the mk3 onwards all the golfs have been getting fatter and fatter especially the mk5.75 ( in any format be it GTi GTD or R ) :grin:
And sits, and waits :kiss:
Mk2 was the bees knees!
I am just waiting for the Mk8 which I hope will be lighter than the Mk7, though I doubt it.
Will have to go for the Polo at this rate or even the Up! GTI.
At least I am getting slimmer and slimmer.
:kiss:
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Nice bit of banter. All opinions should be respected but that's the model for world peace so lets be real. Anyway , I like the GTI as I like the heritage and can remember the early GTIs. Still have a MK2 and love it. I Like the style and looks more that the performance as I drive within the law and not on a track. When I hear all the talk about cant get the power down on the GTI so need the R i just think glad you don't live near me . Been on the Fire service 31 years so seen the downside of speed. Anyway buy what you like its all down to choice. They are all great cars
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Top spot for external looks to my eyes for Performance Golfs is the GTD in Carbon Grey with the beautiful 18" Nogaro wheels. :smiley:
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Pfffffffffttttttttttttttttttttt We all know the GT tdi is the best option with a cheeky remap :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
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Top spot for external looks to my eyes for Performance Golfs is the GTD in Carbon Grey with the beautiful 18" Nogaro wheels. :smiley:
Weirdly enough this is my second favourite, after the lapiz blue R with Prets.
I do prefer the look of the GTD wheels and non red pin stripe over the GTI.
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Top spot for external looks to my eyes for Performance Golfs is the GTD in Carbon Grey with the beautiful 18" Nogaro wheels. :smiley:
Weirdly enough this is my second favourite, after the lapiz blue R with Prets.
I do prefer the look of the GTD wheels and non red pin stripe over the GTI.
Agree. Really not a fan of the the red stripe through the headlights, it just doesn't work IMO, thought it might have grown on me by now, but no? I hope that is a casualty when they design the MK8. Carbon Grey always classy though.
My least favourite would have to be a Red R with the crude looking Cadiz.......
...sorry, couldn't resist :laugh:
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My least favourite would have to be a Red R with the crude looking Cadiz.......
...sorry, couldn't resist :laugh:
Shame on you Rebecca for baiting me!
You have brought the wonky door(s) curse upon yourself. :evil:
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Shame on you Rebecca for baiting me!
You have brought the wonky door(s) curse upon yourself. :evil:
Ha, ha. Great to get a reaction.
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Just stumbled across this thread - hilarious! :grin:
As for the GTI being a slowcoach - well, whoever wrote that needs to actually drive one for more than an hour - I did 18K miles in mine and slowcoach it isn't. A lot of drivel being spouted on here :laugh: and I believe by someone who constantly slags off his R, which is more than a little confusing given the wankfest on this thread. Maybe it's his age :lipsrsealed:
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Just stumbled across this thread - hilarious! :grin:
As for the GTI being a slowcoach - well, whoever wrote that needs to actually drive one for more than an hour - I did 18K miles in mine and slowcoach it isn't. A lot of drivel being spouted on here :laugh: and I believe by someone who constantly slags off his R, which is more than a little confusing given the wankfest on this thread. Maybe it's his age :lipsrsealed:
A true R LOVE-HATE-HATE-LOVE relationship I think :wink:
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Just stumbled across this thread - hilarious! :grin:
As for the GTI being a slowcoach - well, whoever wrote that needs to actually drive one for more than an hour - I did 18K miles in mine and slowcoach it isn't. A lot of drivel being spouted on here :laugh: and I believe by someone who constantly slags off his R, which is more than a little confusing given the wankfest on this thread. Maybe it's his age :lipsrsealed:
:grin:
Most bizarre/hilarious part was giving it a new name randomly and calling the R300 :whistle:
Most confusing reply to me was "kindly provide instructions on how you did your rear door plates to light up? Much wiring etc?"
I have a 3 door and just don't get it, is it a clique thing?
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Just stumbled across this thread - hilarious! :grin:
As for the GTI being a slowcoach - well, whoever wrote that needs to actually drive one for more than an hour - I did 18K miles in mine and slowcoach it isn't. A lot of drivel being spouted on here :laugh: and I believe by someone who constantly slags off his R, which is more than a little confusing given the wankfest on this thread. Maybe it's his age :lipsrsealed:
:grin:
Most bizarre/hilarious part was giving it a new name randomly and calling the R300 :whistle:
Most confusing reply to me was "kindly provide instructions on how you did your rear door plates to light up? Much wiring etc?"
I have a 3 door and just don't get it, is it a clique thing?
Even more confusing was when I thought you were a woman! Now I know you are a man and have a car with difficult rear access something it seems you don't suffer with. :whistle:
Bless.
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Just stumbled across this thread - hilarious! :grin:
As for the GTI being a slowcoach - well, whoever wrote that needs to actually drive one for more than an hour - I did 18K miles in mine and slowcoach it isn't. A lot of drivel being spouted on here :laugh: and I believe by someone who constantly slags off his R, which is more than a little confusing given the wankfest on this thread. Maybe it's his age :lipsrsealed:
:grin:
Most bizarre/hilarious part was giving it a new name randomly and calling the R300 :whistle:
Most confusing reply to me was "kindly provide instructions on how you did your rear door plates to light up? Much wiring etc?"
I have a 3 door and just don't get it, is it a clique thing?
Even more confusing was when I thought you were a woman! Now I know you are a man and have a car with difficult rear access something it seems you don't suffer with. :whistle:
Bless.
So just to clarify your now want to change the subject further...to me taking it up the arse?!? Because I have a 3 door? Or because like many others my username has nothing to do with my actual name? Or some other strange reason you have in your head at the time?
Sometimes you really just need to step away from the keyboard..
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Just stumbled across this thread - hilarious! :grin:
As for the GTI being a slowcoach - well, whoever wrote that needs to actually drive one for more than an hour - I did 18K miles in mine and slowcoach it isn't. A lot of drivel being spouted on here :laugh: and I believe by someone who constantly slags off his R, which is more than a little confusing given the wankfest on this thread. Maybe it's his age :lipsrsealed:
:grin:
Most bizarre/hilarious part was giving it a new name randomly and calling the R300 :whistle:
Most confusing reply to me was "kindly provide instructions on how you did your rear door plates to light up? Much wiring etc?"
I have a 3 door and just don't get it, is it a clique thing?
Even more confusing was when I thought you were a woman! Now I know you are a man and have a car with difficult rear access something it seems you don't suffer with. :whistle:
Bless.
So just to clarify your now want to change the subject further...to me taking it up the arse?!? Because I have a 3 door? Or because like many others my username has nothing to do with my actual name? Or some other strange reason you have in your head at the time?
Sometimes you really just need to step away from the keyboard..
I'm afraid you'll find he's been trolling for years. He is a very argumentative old man, who is entitled to his opinion - but I'm afraid he's totally outdated in today's society. You'll find he has several 'senior moments' as half his posts contradict what he's said an hour before that. I find the best way is to ignore 95% of what he says, otherwise you'll just get wound up :smiley:
On a seperate note, my username is quite relevant as I look like a match - or at least that's how I got the nickname! :laugh:
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Just stumbled across this thread - hilarious! :grin:
As for the GTI being a slowcoach - well, whoever wrote that needs to actually drive one for more than an hour - I did 18K miles in mine and slowcoach it isn't. A lot of drivel being spouted on here :laugh: and I believe by someone who constantly slags off his R, which is more than a little confusing given the wankfest on this thread. Maybe it's his age :lipsrsealed:
:grin:
Most bizarre/hilarious part was giving it a new name randomly and calling the R300 :whistle:
Most confusing reply to me was "kindly provide instructions on how you did your rear door plates to light up? Much wiring etc?"
I have a 3 door and just don't get it, is it a clique thing?
Even more confusing was when I thought you were a woman! Now I know you are a man and have a car with difficult rear access something it seems you don't suffer with. :whistle:
Bless.
So just to clarify your now want to change the subject further...to me taking it up the arse?!? Because I have a 3 door? Or because like many others my username has nothing to do with my actual name? Or some other strange reason you have in your head at the time?
Sometimes you really just need to step away from the keyboard..
I'm afraid you'll find he's been trolling for years. He is a very argumentative old man, who is entitled to his opinion - but I'm afraid he's totally outdated in today's society. You'll find he has several 'senior moments' as half his posts contradict what he's said an hour before that. I find the best way is to ignore 95% of what he says, otherwise you'll just get wound up :smiley:
On a seperate note, my username is quite relevant as I look like a match - or at least that's how I got the nickname! :laugh:
Love both of you. :kiss:
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Which outdated argumentative old man once said:
I have no issues with the manual shift and as long as I have functioning limbs I will always buy a manual.
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Which outdated argumentative old man once said:
I have no issues with the manual shift and as long as I have functioning limbs I will always buy a manual.
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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I think he's shifted his opinion. :whistle:
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I think he's shifted his opinion. :whistle:
Or shed his limbs!
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On a seperate note, my username is quite relevant as I look like a match - or at least that's how I got the nickname! :laugh:
How very unusual to look like that.
So there is a good possibility you could self-ignite like a Swan Vestas Match. :cool: