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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: mr magoo on 22 May 2015, 10:18
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Hi Guys
So, I'm a reasonably long standing member of the forum living in MkV world.
I currently have a MkV GTi Edition 30, absolutely love it, but it's seven years old now and has done 150k miles, and is starting to show signs of distress shall we say.
So, am seriously considering an R; following spec, any advice and guidance on it greatly appreciated.
5 dr DSG
I love the DSG box to be honest, I know it splits opinion, no point in trying to talk me out of it.
Paint - was thinking of black but might go for silver.
Carbon / Grey Nappa leather
18" wheels
DCC
Advanced phone
Car-net app-connected
Climate w/screen
DNS PRO
Dynaudio sound
Panoramic roof
Tech
Winter (leather)
Ensurance
Anything you think I've missed / or is a bit pointless - eg how good is the car-net app?
Advice appreciated!!
Cheers
Martin
BTW - I do about 20k miles a year, quite a bit of motorway, I know I know I should have a Passat / 3-series / A4 but just can't bring myself too...
Thanks
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Personally I don't think you need loads of gizmos on the R
For me I'd go for the Prets as not much difference in ride and tyre costs aren't that different, wife went for cadiz and now runs VW Rotary alloys as is not a fan
I'd like to see how good the new Kenwood nav system is
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Specs are really subjective and everybody has slightly different priorities, so you should just go with what you think you want.
I'm with you on the DSG, I would always spec that, but climate screen (with advanced phone prep) would be a waste of money for me. If music is important then Dynaudio might be a must. Interestingly your 2 colour choices are at opposite extremes - Deep black is fantastic when clean but takes a LOT of effort to keep looking good, whereas silver is the easiest to keep looking smart so how important is that to you? When speccing mine I'd was convinced I wanted the carbon/nappa leather but then I saw it in the flesh and didn't like it, so went for normal leather.
I don't think anyone really knows how good or bad the carnet app will function in the real world, and until we get someone on the forum with it in their car, we'll won't know.
What is 'tech' in your spec list? Is it Tech Pack, which is Dynaudio and DNS pro combined?
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Thanks both.
Yeah understand re colour - being swayed away from black - given the mileage I do I want a car that looks reasonable when unclean- have had two grey cars on the bounce though so feel in need of a change!
Decided against the car-net app.
Yes - Tech is Dynaudio plus DNS pro for circa 1800 quid.
Thanks for advice Booth on the leather - will try to take a look at one in the flesh before making a decision on this.
Thanks wigit re wheels - hmm if the tyres aren't much different in price / wear I might just consider it :smiley:
Watch this space!!
Martin
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On the subject of the wheels, the 18" Cadiz are diamond cut and the 19" Pretorias aren't. Not sure what you've got on your ED30 but diamond cuts are kerb magnets and expensive to refurb (specialist machine job), something to bear in mind when choosing. I've gone for the Prets, partly for this reason and because the Cadiz are not to my taste. Also specced Tech Pack too.
Let us know what you settle on.
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Thanks - got standard Pescaras on the Ed30- seen better days (I blame the Mrs :whistle:)
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My wife did a lot of miles in her MK5 which was black and a battle, the compromise was night blue
R looks good in the silver and my trip to make a comeback
More than happy with the normal leather on mine, have warmed to the cloth, for me could not justify the extra for the carbon
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Go with the Pretoria wheels. Far nicer IMO.
The standard leather is fine. I can't see the justification for paying the extra for the "carbon" stuff.
Black will be lovely... for the 5 minutes after you've washed it. Hard to keep.
The car-net option is still riddled with confusion. No one seems to know what it does or if it's even supported.
Panoramic roof is really nice, I only sat in a Golf with it fitted recently. If you can afford it, I say it's a nice to have.
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Panoramic roof is really nice, I only sat in a Golf with it fitted recently. If you can afford it, I say it's a nice to have.
Never fussed about a pano roof, I prefer a dark cabin. They do look very nice depending on the colour of the car (lost on black and night blue, but great on white and silver), but I fear it would become a rattle-fest in true VW tradition :wink:
Then there's the whole question of whether to have DCC if you go with the 19" Prets :whistle:
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Then there's the whole question of whether to have DCC if you go with the 19" Prets :whistle:
Can you expand on this at all please?
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Then there's the whole question of whether to have DCC if you go with the 19" Prets :whistle:
Can you expand on this at all please?
DCC Dynamic Chassis Control (formerly ACC) is an adaptive system offering 3 selectable modes, which adjust the dampers (softening or stiffening) and steering responsiveness accordingly, allowing versatility to suit your driving style and the road conditions. The modes are - Normal, Comfort and Sport and each is adaptive so will change to suit conditions. DCC can be configured in conjunction with the Driver Profile Selections (standard on mk7's) to give a highly customisable driving experience.
With respect to speccing it with 19's - many feel that 19" wheels give a harder ride (18's offering optimum ride) and the option of a DCC comfort mode giving a softer ride, to offset the harsher 19's, is a useful option to have, especially on crap UK roads and long motorway runs. It's a marmite option though, and not everyone agrees. This thread from the R Forum might offer a bit of insight, or might confuse you further.
http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/4262-dcc-or-not-and-why/
I have it on my current mk6 with 19's and have specced it for my R with the Prets.
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Depends what you are coming from. If you can tolerate the crashy ride of a MK5 on only 17" rubber, the MK7 on 19s will be so much smoother without the need for DCC, and smoother again on 18"ers. If you're coming from something on soft suspension then you might feel the need for DCC. It's not an essential for everyone.
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Depends what you are coming from. If you can tolerate the crashy ride of a MK5 on only 17" rubber, the MK7 on 19s will be so much smoother without the need for DCC, and smoother again on 18"ers. If you're coming from something on soft suspension then you might feel the need for DCC. It's not an essential for everyone.
Thanks - the Ed30 came with 18s as standard, never driven one on 17s ...
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Since I've had it... I love keyless!
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Interesting post by JonnyG on the R Forum regarding DCC and taken from the link provided previously by Booth11.
http://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/the-clarkson-review-volkswagen-golf-gti-2013/
Quote :
"I took the car to Top Gear’s test track, put it in Normal and asked the Stig to do a lap. He did it in 1 minute 29.6 seconds. I then put it in Sport. This time he did a lap in 1 minute 29.6 seconds. So then I put it in Comfort, which softens everything up. He did it in 1 minute 29.5 seconds
Adjustable suspension and gearboxes are fitted to many cars these days and I’ve long harboured a suspicion they make no difference to how fast a car goes. And here’s proof. Sport makes the ride uncomfortable but provides no benefit at all. In its Normal setting the GTI is tremendous. The sportiness is still there — the times prove that — but Comfort mode is sublime. It’s phenomenal and brilliant."
As for myself, the below 3 Ds (in order of preference) are the most important options:
First and equally important DCC & DSG followed by Dynaudio.
The rest are fripperies.
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All you have to read is this post by JonnyG on the R Forum regarding DCC.
http://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/the-clarkson-review-volkswagen-golf-gti-2013/
Quote :
"I took the car to Top Gear’s test track, put it in Normal and asked the Stig to do a lap. He did it in 1 minute 29.6 seconds. I then put it in Sport. This time he did a lap in 1 minute 29.6 seconds. So then I put it in Comfort, which softens everything up. He did it in 1 minute 29.5 seconds
Adjustable suspension and gearboxes are fitted to many cars these days and I’ve long harboured a suspicion they make no difference to how fast a car goes. And here’s proof. Sport makes the ride uncomfortable but provides no benefit at all. In its Normal setting the GTI is tremendous. The sportiness is still there — the times prove that — but Comfort mode is sublime. It’s phenomenal and brilliant."
As for me, the below 3 Ds (in order of preference) are the most important options:
First and equally DCC & DSG followed by Dynaudio.
The rest are fripperies.
I've read that before. I would not expect DCC to offer much in the way of performance gain, and for me that's certainly not a factor in speccing it.
For the most part (albeit a Mk6 on 19's) it stays in Normal, but for about 20% of the time it's used to counter the abysmal roads I am sometimes forced to drive on. And, on occasion used to cushion the ride when my elderly mum and dad are passengers.
My order would be:
DSG; Dynaudio and DCC.
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0.1s is neither here nor there, especially when you're talking about an 89.5 second lap on a track- a mere 0.1%. Could a driver like the Stig even put that down to more than natural variance in doing essentially the same time? It could be attributed to him knowing that car just a little better than he did before, having just done 2 laps in it on Normal and then Sport settings.
VW don't market it as a performance enhancing option, and i'm sure they would if they could.
You buy DCC for the option of making your ride a little softer when you want/need it on our poor UK road surfaces. The MQB chassis offers massive handling and comfort benefits over its predecessor. The MK5 and MK6 Golf on only 17" rubber as standard was harsh and crashy next to the MK7. For many coming from an older model, the standard ride will be comfortable and compliant enough. The only thing that went wrong with my first Scirocco under warranty was the DCC system. It failed twice, once each on two consecutive winters. I wouldn't spec it without a back issue for myself or a regular passenger.
DSG as an option? Personal preferences rule there. If you want to look a bit of a tit at the lights and use launch control then there's no denying the slight benefit off the line, but that one time in 50 that the DSG box doesn't do what I wanted it to do would annoy me immensely.
Dynaudio? Again it's personal preference, the moving car is a noisy environment and we're almost all using MP3s now, some below 320kbps bitrates. With all that in mind, I wouldn't spend the extra on Dynaudio.
I think we've been pretty lucky with the MK7 Golf's standard spec. There's absolutely nothing on the options list that is an essential for all.
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Top Gear totally missed the point as usual with DCC. It's never been something to make the car any quicker as MH as said it's about adjusting the comfort of the ride and adjusting the throttle response. Me personally I'd spec it with 19's as our roads are so bad.
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Top Gear totally missed the point as usual with DCC. It's never been something to make the car any quicker as MH as said it's about adjusting the comfort of the ride and adjusting the throttle response.
Anyone thinking DCC will make the car faster is living in La La land, they either don't understand what it does, or, it's wishful thinking. DCC has never been about that.
Me personally I'd spec it with 19's as our roads are so bad.
Me too. But opinions on optional extras are always subjective. One person's 'can't live without' is another person's 'complete waste of money'. I never ask for opinions when choosing a car spec for that reason. It's a bit like choosing baby names, choose what you want and to hell with what anyone else thinks, lol.
Truth is, non of them are essential, that's why they are called options. Budget and personal preference/priorities will determine your choices.
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Always love it when people shove their R in race mode and think its a fast road car, shows they just do not have a clue
I have my R set in Individual with all in sport except comfort for suspension as its just more compliant, when tracking it it goes to sport
Only reason i went for it was because I did not want to go aftermarket coiler overs on the R, ironically if if they do the R400 i'd not speak it and invest in aftermarket
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Very interesting article on the upcoming Mk8 and the possibilities of having the V6 make a comeback. Now that would be something special
http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1505-deep-dive-the-next-volkswagen-golf-gti-will-have-300-hp/
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Thanks for all the comments / advice guys.
I've placed my order - gone for 19's and not the phone app - other than that have stuck with my original spec.
Delivery Dec - Jan ... I've said if it's Jan I'll wait for the 16 plate in March, plus it gives me more time to save the pennies.
The saleswoman nearly wet herself when I told her I wanted a Golf R :laugh:
Martin
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Thanks for all the comments / advice guys.
I've placed my order - gone for 19's and not the phone app - other than that have stuck with my original spec.
Delivery Dec - Jan ... I've said if it's Jan I'll wait for the 16 plate in March, plus it gives me more time to save the pennies.
The saleswoman nearly wet herself when I told her I wanted a Golf R :laugh:
Martin
Nice choice of wheels, great spec :cool:
Now the long, long wait begins........