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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Cezar13 on 19 April 2015, 18:24
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Hello Im new here.
I drive new GTD but it has no halogen lights, Id like to install it. Called my VW dealer nearby but they told that it is not possible because of ecu controlling lights and the rest. I hope it won't be truth :)
Maybe someone will be able to help :)
Thanks
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Hi, can I ask why you would want to downgrade from bi-xenon to halogen? I really don't see a good reason to do so?
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I'm not sure he is talking about downgrading, maybe about fitting additional lights, like fogs in front bumper.
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All GTDs GTIs and R come standard with fog lights fog lights unless I'm mistaken.
The lights are one of the biggest draws of the Performance ranges
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OP is in Poland, they might have quite different specs on cars... much like I had to order Xenons on my UK GT estate, whereas most EU countries have the Xenons as standard (with Halogen DRL only thou) on the Highline models.
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All GTDs GTIs and R come standard with fog lights fog lights unless I'm mistaken.
The lights are one of the biggest draws of the Performance ranges
Mk7 R doesn't have fogs.
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Ah I see. I knew the U.S. Spec models didn't come standard, but I assumed the euro spec was all the same and I know the GTD in the UK all come standard with Xenon and Fogs. My R isn't being delivered for another week, but I assumed it had fogs.
booth are you in the UK?
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Ah I see. I knew the U.S. Spec models didn't come standard, but I assumed the euro spec was all the same and I know the GTD in the UK all come standard with Xenon and Fogs. My R isn't being delivered for another week, but I assumed it had fogs.
booth are you in the UK?
Yep
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Of course i meant fog lights ;) sorry for bad word choice. And my car is equipped with bi-xenon with lighting pack
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Ah I see. I knew the U.S. Spec models didn't come standard, but I assumed the euro spec was all the same and I know the GTD in the UK all come standard with Xenon and Fogs. My R isn't being delivered for another week, but I assumed it had fogs.
booth are you in the UK?
The R lost the fogs as it needs the space for larger air intakes for cooling.
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Possible but somewhat expensive, few people in Germany have retrofitted them. Someone posted on here what parts are needed, you'll also need someone with VCDS to code it.
http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/vw-golf-vii-7-gti-gtd-nebelscheinwerfer-nachruesten-t5177378.html#post42559092
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Thank You!! Its all I needed :)
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Well I did not know that. So my R won't have fog light then lol
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Well I did not know that. So my R won't have fog light then lol
I don't think it's any great loss, I prefer the air intakes. I probably only used my mk6 fogs half a dozen times a year at most, so will be able to struggle by without them on the R :laugh:
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I'll tell you what fogs are good for and that is lighting up the edges of unlit country roads.
One of the things I intend to get coded via VCDS is the 'fogs on with high beam' mod.
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R's have never had fogs have they?
Its the thing that makes them look less aggressive at the front end - which depending on your point of view either makes them "stealth" or just "meh" ;-)
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No proper .:R models have ever had front fogs. Mk4 and Mk5 R32, Passat R36, Mk6 and Mk7 Golf R.
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R's have never had fogs have they?
Its the thing that makes them look less aggressive at the front end - which depending on your point of view either makes them "stealth" or just "meh" ;-)
I knew the Mk6 R didn't have them, wasn't sure about the R32's but Simon (dubber36) has answered that.
As much as I like the front fogs on the GTI/D's and agree they add to the agressiveness of the front end, I actually prefer the R with just the bigger intakes, no fogs. I know many don't think the R looks agressive enough at the front end but I like the stealth look and with the back showing more intent, anything too much at the front would make it look over the top.
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Of course i meant fog lights ;) sorry for bad word choice. And my car is equipped with bi-xenon with lighting pack
Cezar: dobry wieczór. I'm impressed with your English - it's a lot better than my Polish!
Anyhow, I don't believe that it would be that difficult to install front fog lights on your car. Here's what I believe that you should do:
1. - Wiring
I've made-up the following wiring diagram for you to think about :
(http://i.imgur.com/8Eu6oee.png)
As shown in my diagram, you will need to run the White/Yellow wire from PIN 45 on the Socket B connector and a white wire from PIN 5, also on the Socket B connector to the respective new fittings.
EDIT: To install the two new wires, you will need to buy both the cables themselves and the pins that fit into the "B" socket - which has pins of varying sizes. For the front fog lights, the correct wire diameter is 1.0 mm2, so the pins will need to fit this size. Gold plated pins are not necessary for this application but I believe that the VW part number for a pack of 5 x pins (each attached to a short piece of cable) is 000 979 150 E - but please have this confirmed by the parts salesman.
2. - Light switch
Of course you will also need to install a new rotary light switch that has the pull-out knob in the centre section.
VCDS cable
You will need to tell the BCM that you have installed the two wires to the fogs and the new light-switch. This is done with a VCDS cable
3. - VCDS Coding
Informing the BCM about the new light switch is done via Byte 7 - set Bit 3 as shown in the pic below
(http://i.imgur.com/uzkXz0H.png)
4. - VCDS Adaptation
Informing the BCM about the two new wires requires that you do some "Leuchte" programming. Not sure if you know about this, but the Leuchte channel set for the left front fog light is Leuchte12NL LB45 and the right side front fog is Leuchte13NL RB5. There are 19 x adaptation channels in the BCM for each of these two lights, but only 7 channels are used (the rest are not active). The standard set-up for incandescent fog lamps is shown in the picture below, but these settings depend on what the existing settings are on your car.
(http://i.imgur.com/t7XgJTj.png)
The Abbiegelicht settings are for the cornering lights and Nebellicht settings are for the actual fog lights - rechts is German for "right" and links means "left". The setting allgemeine Scheinwerfer is just a general headlight value that is often used for the fog application
The tricky part of this programming is the settings for the two channels in parentheses (2) & (3) (both sides). These are the settings for the fault monitoring functions and they will depend on what's currently written into these channels on your car. The values in these fault monitoring channels are a bit like memory locations- they can only be used once on the car. My table above shows the values for my car, but these values might already be used elsewhere on your car. Alas, I know nothing about how Polish cars have their fault values allocated across the 35 x exterior lights that are managed by the Leuchte channel-sets. So I suggest that you check out these channel settings first.
Finally, you will need to ensure that the following adaptation in the BCM has a value of 15 min:
(8 )-Driving light and parking light-Zeitwert Einschaltzeit Abbiegelicht
It probably will have the correct value, but it's worth checking to make sure!
Powodzenia
Don
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No proper .:R models have ever had front fogs. Mk4 and Mk5 R32, Passat R36, Mk6 and Mk7 Golf R.
except if youre racing of course :grin:
(http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/17999/Racing%20scirocco-L.jpg)
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Fogs on the GTI are not really fit for their purpose, they are rubbish in fog (cold color coming from LEDs when it's well known that in fog, the light needs to be yellowish to be efficient). In my view, the only 2 things the fogs on the GTI are good for is:
1) aggressive look
2) useful when set as coming/leaving home lights.
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I had a look for some sort of scientific evidence about yellow fogs and after reading lots of pages of stuff written that basically says "I've been driving for years and I always use yellow" anecdotal (at best) evidence, I found this posting:
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php/299074-What-s-the-benefit-of-yellow-fog-lights-Or-purely-cosmetic?s=5be102f7ffe33a69fa21b35ff52099fb&p=3971241#post3971241
That's rather interesting (to me at least!)