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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: bcarlin on 17 April 2015, 20:44
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Hi once again I'm thinking about buying a mk7 but cant decide between the 2…
Ive got a mk6 Gti and owned it for 4 years.
My wish list is quite simple
Petrol
Heated seats
5 door
Preferably auto.
Cheapest used r I can see is £27500 and Gti £22000
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Gotta go R if you can afford it?
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Yeah I keep saying to myself its a lot more money over the Gti but will they hold there money well ? Seems to be a lot more mk7 r's about than mk6 ones
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Hi once again I'm thinking about buying a mk7 but cant decide between the 2…
Ive got a mk6 Gti and owned it for 4 years.
My wish list is quite simple
Petrol
Heated seats
5 door
Preferably auto.
Cheapest used r I can see is £27500 and Gti £22000
£5,500 is a substantial difference. If money is no object for you, then the R would be my choice by a country mile.
I compared the Mk7 GTI PP to the 7R. In wet conditions the R came out trumps. The 7R is a considerably quicker car in both wet and dry.
However, I have a very soft spot for the GTI with its iconic Tartan Seats. The GTI is a great car but the R is greater.
Autocar considers the R to be a better car than the new Audi RS3. The R is that immense!
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/audi/first-drives/2015-audi-rs3-sportback-review
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If you can afford it, get the R!
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The R is not for me.
I've had my GTI for nearly 2 years and to me it's just perfect. It makes me happy every day.
I could afford an R if I wanted one but I don't. The boot is too small, it has no pedigree, poor mpg and I don't need to constantly explain to people why it needs 4 pipes for a 2 litre engine. I don't want 4wd.
I love the cloth tartan seats of the GTI and the comments it gets - from all sorts of people.
I always looked at the mk1 and mk2 GTI with pure envy when I was younger.
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It depends where your priorities are, if you want to go really fast but still be fairly practical then the R is hard to beat tbh, not a huge trade off in mpg in the real world, it won't hold it's value any better than a GTI as it'll cost a bit more to buy but you'll get a bit more when you come to sell, having had both and getting another GTI in my opinion a PP GTI is the best of everything, practical, quick (enough for the average joe) and has a bit of 'sparkle' which the R lacks imo.
Without doubt the R is the better hot hatch, but going fast isn't the always the last word in car ownership.
My 2p.. :smiley:
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Thanks for all opionions. My only concern with a mk7 Gti is it looks and feels to similar to my mk6 Gti which still is a great car so why spend another 12-15k … decisions
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I have a GTI PP at the moment and have done 30k miles in it.
Whilst it's a good car and is iconic, it is just another hot hatch around the same power and speed as the fiesta, focus, clio, Octavia, Astra blah blah blah
If you're happy with that, get the GTI it's a great car....
I get my R next week........because I want something understands (except the quad exhausts) and something that most people don't know, except those who know cars.
The R stands out in a different way to the GTI, not to mention is much quicker, sounds nicer and has much better traction.
Whatever your choice you won't be disappointed, unless you buy a GTI and pull up at the lights next to an R.
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^Do people still race away at the lights?
@OP
You have like many a nice problem.
Drive both, don't get sucked in by these blunt tools up the slip road onto a dual carriageway, long after the fun of extra power has faded you need to want a car for other things. if you need 4WD you cant go wrong with the R, its a great car, If you don't then is the increased cost and higher fuel costs needed? After the superficial stuff that's pretty much all it boils down to.
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After lurking a while I thought I should register to respond.
I've ordered a GTi PP. DSG, Tech Pack, Parking Pack, DCC...not that it really matters. ~£330/month on PCP.
Budget meant that an R with those toys basically ended up £70/month more to buy. Plus the additional fuel, insurance, risk (some carjackings etc). I couldn't really justify the cost.
I do have some twinges of regret...and doubt (order is placed with dealer but not with VW yet). But I think I've made the sensible decision.
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GeordieSPG: I haven't heard of any R related burglaries or car jackings up here in the North East - almost all seem to be happening in and around Coventry (likely one gang that hasn't been caught yet).
I'd imagine someone would want to be carjacking the tasty BMW i8 I saw in Jesmond yesterday before my forthcoming R.
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Aye. Probably true.
As I said, it probably mostly came down to money. I only do around 6k per year. So my sums just didn't add up. TBH, I think the GTi is probably overkill. Additional wait for the R too...allegedly.
Seen at least one i8 in Newcastle City Centre (maybe same one twice). Monthly payments look a bit high though.
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The R for me, Mpg isn't much different to a Gti, the boot space is about two inches more In height, not enough to make a difference, if you can afford it get it, the current prices only makes a R £3,500 more, the cost is the only thing that would stop me if I didn't have the extra money, but I did and therefore bought a R :laugh:
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^Do people still race away at the lights?
No, not really, but you would know you have pulled up to the big brother and it could leave you hot hatch for dust if it wanted it.
I love my GTI but it's now to obvious a choice and wanted something more exclusive (I know sale figures aren't that different) although in Norfolk I have literally only seen 1 R since its launch, but GTD/I is significantly more frequent.
Like I said you won't be disappointed with either choice, as both are great cars.
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Hi once again I'm thinking about buying a mk7 but cant decide between the 2…
Ive got a mk6 Gti and owned it for 4 years.
My wish list is quite simple
Petrol
Heated seats
5 door
Preferably auto.
Cheapest used r I can see is £27500 and Gti £22000
If you need to ask the question then you want an R.
If like Lee ^^^ you get car envy at the traffic lights you need an R.
The GTI is an all rounder, it's not supposed to be the fastest, best handling super hyper mega hatch. But it's fun!
To be honest, I'm guessing you're working on a budget if you're looking at second hand prices which then will make your financial situation different than the ones on here who can happily throw £40k of loose change at whatever they want.
I'd take a no optioned R over a highly specced GTI if the price difference wasn't huge.
I kind of like a fairly basic GTI though as it's truer to the GTI ethos of keeping the weight down and the fun and affordability in the right zone. Plus the GTI looks better especially when it has Santiagos.
(In my not very humble opinion)
It's easy for me to say as there as no R when I ordered my GTI and if I was buying again now I'd be stuck.
I drove a base spec R briefly late last year in crap weather and it didn't feel any better than my GTI and I hated the black plastic radio surround but loved the blue ambient lighting.
I think I'd rather have a GTD with S&S pack and DTUK box than either if I'm honest...
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Thanks for all opionions. My only concern with a mk7 Gti is it looks and feels to similar to my mk6 Gti which still is a great car so why spend another 12-15k … decisions
Having owned both mk6 & 7 GTI's, I can tell you hand on heart the mk7 is totally different to the mk6, the GTI is an awesome car and the mk7 is a massive step up from the mk6 GTI. Have you had a test drive yet? If not go give one a blast, you'll feel the difference immediately :smiley:
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Totally agree that the mk7 is in a different league to the mk6.Its so planted on the road.
Booth11, did you get the chance to take an R out before ordering one?
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Booth11, did you get the chance to take an R out before ordering one?
No. Despite asking several times in person at my local dealer to let me know if/when they got a demo R, they never did (usual level of customer service there). I could've sought one out else where but never got round to it.
So decided to take a punt, ordering one without a test drive. But I'm fairly certain it will be what I want this time around. It's a Golf, so delivers on the practicality side, (even with with a smaller boot), but I wanted a bit of a change from a GTI and to experience 4WD in a performance hatch (never been interested in 4x4s). I'm kinda looking forward to going in blind, though I realise many would not agree with that approach.
The main reason for getting it, as the cliche goes....the R is an itch that needs to be scratched.
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The GTI is an all rounder, it's not supposed to be the fastest, best handling super hyper mega hatch. But it's fun!
Sorry Andy, but I think the R is more of an all rounder than the GTI. The R is a car for all reasons and seasons much more than the GTI.
I compared the GTI and the R. The GTI is a slow coach and is definitely less fun IMO. There was no way I was going to get a slower car than my BMW when I was downsizing. Somehow even the R feels slower than the BMW! BMW Diesel torque is immense and so addictive.
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The GTI is an all rounder, it's not supposed to be the fastest, best handling super hyper mega hatch. But it's fun!
Sorry Andy, but I think the R is more of an all rounder than the GTI. The R is a car for all reasons and seasons much more than the GTI.
I compared the GTI and the R. The GTI is a slow coach and is definitely less fun IMO. There was no way I was going to get a slower car than my BMW when I was downsizing. Somehow even the R feels slower than the BMW! BMW Diesel torque is immense and so addictive.
Remind me again why you ditched BMW..... ? :kiss:
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The GTI is an all rounder, it's not supposed to be the fastest, best handling super hyper mega hatch. But it's fun!
Sorry Andy, but I think the R is more of an all rounder than the GTI. The R is a car for all reasons and seasons much more than the GTI.
I compared the GTI and the R. The GTI is a slow coach and is definitely less fun IMO. There was no way I was going to get a slower car than my BMW when I was downsizing. Somehow even the R feels slower than the BMW! BMW Diesel torque is immense and so addictive.
Remind me again why you ditched BMW..... ? :kiss:
Size and the cheap as chips R deal. We do still have a BMW.
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Size and the cheap as chips R deal. We do still have a BMW.
If you didn't have the other BMW, would you have still gone for an R?
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Size and the cheap as chips R deal. We do still have a BMW.
If you didn't have the other BMW, would you have still gone for an R?
Questions, questions .......
Answer: Probably. :kiss:
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The GTI is an all rounder, it's not supposed to be the fastest, best handling super hyper mega hatch. But it's fun!
Sorry Andy, but I think the R is more of an all rounder than the GTI. The R is a car for all reasons and seasons much more than the GTI.
I compared the GTI and the R. The GTI is a slow coach and is definitely less fun IMO. There was no way I was going to get a slower car than my BMW when I was downsizing. Somehow even the R feels slower than the BMW! BMW Diesel torque is immense and so addictive.
Ah well, I'll just have to cruise around very slowly with a very small willied GTI to endure in my daily commute. :cry:
:tongue:
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Booth11, did you get the chance to take an R out before ordering one?
No. Despite asking several times in person at my local dealer to let me know if/when they got a demo R, they never did (usual level of customer service there). I could've sought one out else where but never got round to it.
So decided to take a punt, ordering one without a test drive. But I'm fairly certain it will be what I want this time around. It's a Golf, so delivers on the practicality side, (even with with a smaller boot), but I wanted a bit of a change from a GTI and to experience 4WD in a performance hatch (never been interested in 4x4s). I'm kinda looking forward to going in blind, though I realise many would not agree with that approach.
The main reason for getting it, as the cliche goes....the R is an itch that needs to be scratched.
A pretty safe gamble Fräulein B and you sure won't be disappointed!
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Booth11, did you get the chance to take an R out before ordering one?
No. Despite asking several times in person at my local dealer to let me know if/when they got a demo R, they never did (usual level of customer service there). I could've sought one out else where but never got round to it.
So decided to take a punt, ordering one without a test drive. But I'm fairly certain it will be what I want this time around. It's a Golf, so delivers on the practicality side, (even with with a smaller boot), but I wanted a bit of a change from a GTI and to experience 4WD in a performance hatch (never been interested in 4x4s). I'm kinda looking forward to going in blind, though I realise many would not agree with that approach.
The main reason for getting it, as the cliche goes....the R is an itch that needs to be scratched.
A pretty safe gamble Fräulein B and you sure won't be disappointed!
+1 you won't be disappointed :laugh:
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Questions, questions .......
Answer: Probably. :kiss:
I'm nothing if not inquisitive :kiss:
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A pretty safe gamble Fräulein B and you sure won't be disappointed!
+1 you won't be disappointed :laugh:
I think so too :smiley:
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I know so :evil:
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I know so :evil:
Haha, Good.
Liking your R then AndyG? :wink:
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Booth11, did you get the chance to take an R out before ordering one?
No. Despite asking several times in person at my local dealer to let me know if/when they got a demo R, they never did (usual level of customer service there). I could've sought one out else where but never got round to it.
So decided to take a punt, ordering one without a test drive. But I'm fairly certain it will be what I want this time around. It's a Golf, so delivers on the practicality side, (even with with a smaller boot), but I wanted a bit of a change from a GTI and to experience 4WD in a performance hatch (never been interested in 4x4s). I'm kinda looking forward to going in blind, though I realise many would not agree with that approach.
The main reason for getting it, as the cliche goes....the R is an itch that needs to be scratched.
To say I ordered blind would be a bit of an understatement....
At the point of ordering, I'd only seen pictures of the GTI, all I'd seen in the flesh was a 1.4 TSI!!
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Yes Booth11 loving it.
A Gti in all honestly would be all the car I would need but your right when you have an itch it needs scratching you only live once and all that.
I only had a 5 minute test drive with the sales guy and I think I was in shock that I was actually driving one, too much in fact to realise how good it is.
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I hate you all. ;)
Having serious doubts about the GTi.
£330 vs £400 on PCP...is it worth it. Plus additional fuel (25mpg vs 30mpg ish). Additional insurance. Looking around £100/month extra for the R. Less boot height (we have 30kg dog who usually sits in the boot).
It's not about being able to afford it. I even have permission from my darling wife. I know I'll get badge envy in traffic ("Wish I'd bought the R...*sigh*")
£400 is getting into 335d territory too. Hmmm.
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The only difference with the boot is what's under the false floor. On a GTI / GTD the spare wheel is below the lower floor level leaving a fairly flat area. On the R the spare wheel sits on the lower floor level so you only have the space around it. If you open the boot on any of them the top level is exactly the same. It's only when you lift the false floor the difference is apparent.
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The standard boot at any level is still too small for me though. It's actually smaller dimension wise than previous mk's but because of the variable boot floor VW tell us it's bigger (litres yes but length and width no)
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I hate you all. ;)
Having serious doubts about the GTi.
£330 vs £400 on PCP...is it worth it. Plus additional fuel (25mpg vs 30mpg ish). Additional insurance. Looking around £100/month extra for the R. Less boot height (we have 30kg dog who usually sits in the boot).
It's not about being able to afford it. I even have permission from my darling wife. I know I'll get badge envy in traffic ("Wish I'd bought the R...*sigh*")
£400 is getting into 335d territory too. Hmmm.
I didn't regret a GTI for the first 6 months. Then it will became a bit boring and started to wish I had the R.....then you see one and it makes you sad inside lol.
Luckily you don't see the very often. One of my personal annoyances about the GTI is the GTD, they look so similar, with the untrained eye you can't tell the difference and they are everywhere.
On the dog front, I normally put the false floor up to level with my dog, so it doesn't have the slope at the back, and she is about 35kg ish. So either car won't have an issue with that.
I you have that itch, it's inly gonna get worse.....and I know for a few of us on here, we couldn't stand that and went and get the R and chopped in the GTi
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we have 30kg dog who usually sits in the boot
Then this is what you need http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=273619.0 :grin:
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Aye. Probably true.
As I said, it probably mostly came down to money. I only do around 6k per year. So my sums just didn't add up. TBH, I think the GTi is probably overkill. Additional wait for the R too...allegedly.
Seen at least one i8 in Newcastle City Centre (maybe same one twice). Monthly payments look a bit high though.
Only doing 6k miles pa, mpg shouldn't come into consideration, R is 18% thirstier. Say the GTI will do 33mpg around the doors, the R should do 28mpg. On those figures the R will cost £168 a year (£14 a month) more to fuel, assuming the GTI runs on RON95 @£1.10/L and the R runs on RON98/99 @ 1.20/L.
Depends on age, location and NCD, but my R quotes are coming in at a smidge cheaper than the GTD.
Still, there's an extra £60pm to find for the car itself. Only you can decide if that extra a month will hit your holiday kitty etc. Both are good cars.
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Assuming fuel prices don't end up where they were just a short time ago.
I'll try to pop into dealer this afternoon and go through some figures. Main stumbling blocks are delivery time and the additional monthly cost.
I like the estate. But 300mm ish will make parking in my street a bit more difficult. That said, we plan to move in the next 12-18 months.
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Assuming fuel prices don't end up where they were just a short time ago.
I'll try to pop into dealer this afternoon and go through some figures. Main stumbling blocks are delivery time and the additional monthly cost.
I like the estate. But 300mm ish will make parking in my street a bit more difficult. That said, we plan to move in the next 12-18 months.
I do think we're going to see "cheap" fuel for the forseeable the main reason prices are down is the USA fracking industry ramping up production. Who's the dealer? Benfield, Pulman or perhaps Lookers?
Never had much recent success in getting a good deal out of Benfield. Managed to get reasonable p/x and 12% discount on the R from Pulman, Benfield always seem to want to lowball me on the p/x and give poorer discount on the new one than I can achieve with Pulman. Do you mind disclosing your % discount?
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Cheap fuel don't make me laugh. The greedy bastards who own the garages have been gradually hiking the prices back up in recent weeks thinking no one would notice. Diesel is now 118.9 where it was 5p cheaper not 2 to 3 weeks ago.
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Cheap fuel don't make me laugh. The greedy fatherless sons who own the garages have been gradually hiking the prices back up in recent weeks thinking no one would notice. Diesel is now 118.9 where it was 5p cheaper not 2 to 3 weeks ago.
You're right, still cheaper than it has been pre-drop though, and the pound is a little weaker against the dollar. Someone should really look into diesel prices, there's no justification for it to be 8p/L more than RON95 petrol.
The Supermarkets are always dropping prices by 2p/L, but between every drop they seem to creep the price back up again. Surprised the politicians haven't used it as a voting point.
No competition seems to be the worst for fuel prices - at Gosforth, the local self-serve Asda petrol station keeps the prices down for RON95 and Diesel, but as they don't do RON98/99, it ends up being a whopping 20p/L more thn RON95 at the local BP station - lack of competition.
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Lack of competition or pure greed?? :whistle:
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Went to see dealer this afternoon. Benfield. Around 2200 off list. 408/month with my deposit. Price is 4000 more than GTi. GFV is 600 more thank GTi. Balls.
Doesn't make sense in my head.
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Ask yourself is the r really more special than a gti with pp and worth the extra to buy and run?
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Ask yourself is the r really more special than a gti with pp and worth the extra to buy and run?
^^This
FYI current lead in time for an R is 22 weeks, (according to my dealer last week), so still a fair wait.
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Ask yourself is the r really more special than a gti with pp and worth the extra to buy and run?
^^This
FYI current lead in time for an R is 22 weeks, (according to my dealer last week), so still a fair wait.
Was told GTi would be around 12-13 weeks.
I'll talk it over with my wife, but she's fairly bored of it all now. She just told me to get what I want...
Hmmm. I think I'd be happier if I'd actually driven a DSG GTi. Only managed a manual. Driven DSG R, GTD, S3 (ish).
Thanks for your input (and I'm not the OP).
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Ask yourself is the r really more special than a gti with pp and worth the extra to buy and run?
^^This
FYI current lead in time for an R is 22 weeks, (according to my dealer last week), so still a fair wait.
Was told GTi would be around 12-13 weeks.
I'll talk it over with my wife, but she's fairly bored of it all now. She just told me to get what I want...
Hmmm. I think I'd be happier if I'd actually driven a DSG GTi. Only managed a manual. Driven DSG R, GTD, S3 (ish).
Thanks for your input (and I'm not the OP).
Sorry mate, ignore my post. I was confusing you with the OP. :embarrassed:
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I kind of hijacked the post as I have similar questions/problem.
Thanks all and sorry to OP.
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Went to see dealer this afternoon. Benfield. Around 2200 off list. 408/month with my deposit. Price is 4000 more than GTi. GFV is 600 more thank GTi. Balls.
Doesn't make sense in my head.
£2200 off doesn't sound too bad by Benfield standards, managed to get £3600 off the R via Pulman, of course p/x values all help seal the deal if you have something to chop in, and my p/x is looking quite reasonable, especially given the wait the R has taken.
The deposit contribution goes a long way for the GTI - just be sure your £2200 discount is not inclusive of the £1250 deposit contribution, otherwise really they're only giving you £950 off, and you could do a lot better than that.
It all boils down to how much you want a GTI with the toys and how much you want an R. You could get a basic R for the same monthly outlay as a GTI with options. The R's GFV is £2467 higher over 3 years/30k miles, but the GTI's deposit contribution negates half of that.
My biggest anticipated gain for the R when chopping in my GTD is traction, replacing the Bridgestones with something grippier would have been far cheaper! :grin:
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Yeah. Ended up with around 3500 off the GTi including the contribution from VW. Chopping in a MKV Golf TDI for about 4k plus a small amount of cash which was my deposit. They almost matched Carwow and they're close to home.
Think it'll be the GTi in 5 door (333). I like my toys and doubt I'll actually get to drive the R enough to justify the additional cost. It needs to be DSG (old and lazy). And wouldn't want to give up DCC or Tech Pack.
Got until Thursday to make my mind up. But could a decent few days in Europe for the annual saving.
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Yeah. Ended up with around 3500 off the GTi including the contribution from VW. Chopping in a MKV Golf TDI for about 4k plus a small amount of cash which was my deposit. They almost matched Carwow and they're close to home.
Think it'll be the GTi in 5 door (333). I like my toys and doubt I'll actually get to drive the R enough to justify the additional cost. It needs to be DSG (old and lazy). And wouldn't want to give up DCC or Tech Pack.
Got until Thursday to make my mind up. But could a decent few days in Europe for the annual saving.
Sounds like you've made the right choice for you, i'm generally an extras miser. :whistle:
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I had this offer from a dealer using carwow for a GTI with a few options. Note the finance offer includes the VW £1,250 deposit contribution.
(http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab242/WITHCOMBEM/screen_zpsecgfk862.png) (http://s868.photobucket.com/user/WITHCOMBEM/media/screen_zpsecgfk862.png.html)
Ps ( the car is for the Mrs. I'm not planning on getting rid of the M135i anytime soon )
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It looks like nav is coming as standard soon Martin so bin the nav and dynaudio and go for tech pack. Then either get park assist or park pack (whatever it's called) to protect the alloy wheels :whistle:
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It looks like nav is coming as standard soon Martin so bin the nav and dynaudio and go for tech pack. Then either get park assist or park pack (whatever it's called) to protect the alloy wheels :whistle:
Thanks Andy that's good to know.
She won't be getting one for a while until the current deal runs out on the Audi A1 in couple of years. I was just testing the water quote wise.
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They'll be on run out model spec by then and possibly Ed40 too.
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They'll be on run out model spec by then and possibly Ed40 too.
An ED40 sounds even better :smiley: