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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Anygreg on 05 March 2015, 04:07
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First post.....
After googling stolen GTD I came across the forum, I actually read so much on here prior to ordering, but never registered.
As I sit here wide awake at 4 am writing this, and after our traumatic ordeal at 5am where a house brick was thrown through our kitchen window in order to steal the Keys for our beloved mk7 GTD in pure white, I thought I would add this post to make others aware of what seems to be another era of gti stealing remenicent of the late 80's and early 90's.
Words can't begin to describe the anger I have for the scumbags that commit these crimes....
So, any one in the Cheshire area that sees it or has one mysteriously appeard in a street near you please call Cheshire police....
Thanks for reading ... My sympathies to the others that have been through the similar traumatic experience!
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I'm speechless.
Sub human scum.
Hopefully aside from anger and shock you're all ok.
As you say, hopefully we're not going to see another epidemic like in the bad old days that killed off hot hatches for years.
The increased insurance premiums are one thing but the agressive burglaries are something else.
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Sorry to hear this about this horrendous experience. Hope you and your family are all ok, aside from the obvious shock.
I'm sure forum members will keep their eyes peeled, though I doubt you'd want the car back after that. Hope it isn't too painful sorting it all out. :smiley:
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Sorry to hear must be an awful experience :angry:
Seems to be a lot of GTD's being taken wonder if there is a reason they choose these over the GTi/R
getting common now unfortunately seen that 50 cars have been taken in a couple of weeks in Edinburgh.
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Very sad hope you get it sorted. Main thing is you and yours are alright
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What was the reg plate?
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So sorry to hear your news. I dread something like that happening to my family.
Again... what reg plate. I'm in Cheshire too so I'll keep my eyes peeled.
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thanks for the replies :)
Car was on a 14 plate, but we all know the plates will have been removed long ago...
The police told me i was no8 in the area over the last 2 weeks, various high end prestige cars being taken to order...
What got me was the sound of the toughened glass windows exploding at 5am, genuinely was shocked at how loud it was. But then again in the quite of morning anything seems loud!
I was up so quick, but never caught even a glimpse of them...happened so fast.
I have no doubt the car would of been stashed on nearby housing estate down a back road locked up and left for a day or 2, then collected when the time is right. The police swarmed the area with no luck...
Insurance...going to take up to 6 weeks to sort with no hire car option or GAP insurance...this is gonna cost me, also have to pay the excess on house insurance and car! (£600)
and when these scumbags are caught and questions they give the answer 'it was insured, will cost the owner nothing!'
angry doesn't even begin to explain how i feel...other than the noise, it was the misses face/tears that cut the deepest! shes afraid in the house now!
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What a bunch of thingys!! Hope they find it, but like you say, it'll be stashed away, then moved/use in a crime..it's a sad world we live in, they say hide your keys...but then you get woken with a gun in your face demanding keys!! You leave them on show so you don't have the gun in your face, they smash the window to get them...what are you to do??
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What a bunch of thingys!! Hope they find it, but like you say, it'll be stashed away, then moved/use in a crime..it's a sad world we live in, they say hide your keys...but then you get woken with a gun in your face demanding keys!! You leave them on show so you don't have the gun in your face, they smash the window to get them...what are you to do??
We leave ours on show in the kitchen rather they find then than come upstairs looking for them.
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What a bunch of thingys!! Hope they find it, but like you say, it'll be stashed away, then moved/use in a crime..it's a sad world we live in, they say hide your keys...but then you get woken with a gun in your face demanding keys!! You leave them on show so you don't have the gun in your face, they smash the window to get them...what are you to do??
We leave ours on show in the kitchen rather they find then than come upstairs looking for them.
Same here, rather a smashed window/door than a gun in your face. Let them take the car and get the hell out, otherwise I fear my bloke might be tempted to confront them with a pick axe handle and that would not end well. It's only a car and replaceable.
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I think the tide has turned with this type of car theft, taking the keys, overcomes all immobilisers alarms etc.. To the point they may as well not have them on in the first place.
In this technologically advanced time we live, with radar collision detection, touch screen , MP3, abs, xds diffs blah blah...why the hell ain't these cars coming with built in GPS trackers? Just simply add your own SIM card?
A quick google revealed a system on Amazon for £20 that connects to the battery and pings you texts with gps co ordinates... £20 odd quid!
Wish I'd know before I'd of stuck one on for that... Yes take my car with the keys, but the cops may find you in soon when I activate the tracker 10 seconds after you leave my drive way! Already ordered one for my dads new 5 series!
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Thinking of doing this myself, my Audi isn't anything special...but it's an Audi...they seem to like them.
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I think the tide has turned with this type of car theft, taking the keys, overcomes all immobilisers alarms etc.. To the point they may as well not have them on in the first place.
In this technologically advanced time we live, with radar collision detection, touch screen , MP3, abs, xds diffs blah blah...why the hell ain't these cars coming with built in GPS trackers? Just simply add your own SIM card?
A quick google revealed a system on Amazon for £20 that connects to the battery and pings you texts with gps co ordinates... £20 odd quid!
Wish I'd know before I'd of stuck one on for that... Yes take my car with the keys, but the cops may find you in soon when I activate the tracker 10 seconds after you leave my drive way! Already ordered one for my dads new 5 series!
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You got a link to this?
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I think the tide has turned with this type of car theft, taking the keys, overcomes all immobilisers alarms etc.. To the point they may as well not have them on in the first place.
In this technologically advanced time we live, with radar collision detection, touch screen , MP3, abs, xds diffs blah blah...why the hell ain't these cars coming with built in GPS trackers? Just simply add your own SIM card?
A quick google revealed a system on Amazon for £20 that connects to the battery and pings you texts with gps co ordinates... £20 odd quid!
Wish I'd know before I'd of stuck one on for that... Yes take my car with the keys, but the cops may find you in soon when I activate the tracker 10 seconds after you leave my drive way! Already ordered one for my dads new 5 series!
and a cheap gps blocker will block any tracker fitted and the kind of people doing this sort of crime know this :angry:
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and a cheap gps blocker will block any tracker fitted and the kind of people doing this sort of crime know this :angry:
Correct, Its why trackers on the luxury cars cost so much to get. a grand on an aston and then £250 a year to have it operational and monitored. £20 won't be enough money to get a sophisticated enough system that isn't simple to deactivate
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and a cheap gps blocker will block any tracker fitted and the kind of people doing this sort of crime know this :angry:
Correct, Its why trackers on the luxury cars cost so much to get. a grand on an aston and then £250 a year to have it operational and monitored. £20 won't be enough money to get a sophisticated enough system that isn't simple to deactivate
Have a Google on Amazon UK for it it has hundreds of reviews....for me £20 ish and a chance to recover/catch the crime is worth a punt. Cheap or expensive, a blocker is going to always block. But to my knowledge from the police reports , and as stated in this case, they leave the car for a day, locked up on a housing estate to see if it has a tracker fitted, knowing this, and if I'd has said cheap gps and sim tracker fitted, I would possibly have my car back.
£25 for a tracker is only cheap when you consider the £100's of pounds an official tracker costs. This doesn't mean that's how much they cost. Does anybody actually thing an iPhone 6 costs £699 to make?? More like £15 I think I read....
GPS really isn't that expensive nowadays. This unit also has has gprs sim plus GPS SiRF III chipset....Google amazon TK103A...
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Sympathies. I had my Mk6 GTI taken in south Manchester three weekends ago. Me and the mrs had come downstairs Sunday morning and were arguing about where my car keys were, looked out of the window and the car wasn't there!
They'd hopped over a 6-7ft wall into our back garden, reached through a catflap and managed to fish a key for the conservatory door that was well out of reach and hidden out of site. As a few have said, if it's going to happen, the best way it can - no violence, etc. We had been noticing some suspicious activity around the house in the two weeks previous though which is a bit unnerving.
On the bright side, I've ordered a brand new Mk7!
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Has an Police/experts suggested a practical counter-measures to this sort of crime?
I know some here have said "leave your keys near a window in the house" but... taking that to its logical conclusion, the least possible damage would be to leave a spare key on the passenger seat and then at least they only break (now their own) car window and leave you and your family in peace... Yeah I'm being a bit tongue in cheek but...
PS to the OP, sorry to hear you had this crappy thing happen to you :(
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Has an Police/experts suggested a practical counter-measures to this sort of crime?
I know some here have said "leave your keys near a window in the house" but... taking that to its logical conclusion, the least possible damage would be to leave a spare key on the passenger seat and then at least they only break (now their own) car window and leave you and your family in peace... Yeah I'm being a bit tongue in cheek but...
PS to the OP, sorry to hear you had this crappy thing happen to you :(
wasn't far off what they said to be honest...
if they couldn't see the key, they have been entering into properties to find them, as i was no 8 on a list of vehicles stolen in the past 10 days in the area...
again, if vehicles had trackers as standard, it would of helped.
i remember the days when we had keypad on the dash to enter pin numbers before you could start the car PITA but sort of worked.
Agree with the key on the seat option as well....
Having not really slept for the past 2 nights, been awake on high alert, have had time to think more about things whilst also playing back the sound of the smashing glass over in my head.
I'm more P1ssd they targeted me.. they got away with it, its like its 1 - 0 to the criminal. take the car, that can be replaced. But to leave me and the misses in fear in our own home, that's the kicker!
then there's the inconvenience...spent 30 mins on the phone to the insurance assessors yesterday, felt like it was my fault at the end of the conversation...then i had the glaziers round to board up my window, lock smith left at 9:30p, after changing all the locks..home insurance assessor round to video the property, fill out forms, take photos and get a statement... it goes on....
all because some guy in eastern Europe wants a knicked white golf for his misses sat in front of his UK housing benefit/child support funded 5 bedroom house.... makes me sick!
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I couldn't agree more with what you have said the standards of everything in this country have sadly slipped. We have enough problems with our own lazy sh!ts without looking after half of europes as well bag em up put em on the nearest boat and send them packing
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I couldn't agree more with what you have said the standards of everything in this country have sadly slipped. We have enough problems with our own lazy sh!ts without looking after half of europes as well bag em up put em on the nearest boat and send them packing
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I couldn't agree more with what you have said the standards of everything in this country have sadly slipped. We have enough problems with our own lazy sh!ts without looking after half of europes as well bag em up put em on the nearest boat and send them packing
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You're spot on!
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Agree!! I'm seriously considering pricing up a tracker for my car! they already ask if it has a tracker on the insurance quotation, it's only a matter of time before insurance companies will be refusing to insure such cars for not having one fitted!
Sad world we live in isn't it. Sad that the hard working citizens of this world can't have decent stuff without some lowlife scroat nicking it. Makes me f**kin angry!!
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spent most of today filling out forms, talking to insurance companies, for home and car! taking photos ....
not sure how long things will take, but they have stated that i could have a direct new car, so a brand new gtd back on the drive...im seriously considering saying no.
loved the car, but i could potential become another target! takes the p1ss that you cant have anything nice without the fear of some scrote taking it...
we should employ the south African alarm systems!! bring on the flames and scythes!
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I like you...you talk like me... :laugh:
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One deterrent would be some form of remote immobiliser that deadlocked the doors coupled with smash proof glass.
Now that would be fun.
Would a dummy VW key fob sitting downstairs work? They smash the window grab the keys and run to the car. Would they really come back into the house as I'd imagine the owner would be stirred enough to get up and look outside and possibly have phoned the police by this time?
Or would that just annoy them more?
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It's so sad that these thieving little sh1ts have left you and your family feeling unsafe in your own home and questioning whether it's worth having a nice car you can be proud of without living in fear of them coming back again.
What happened to you was my biggest fear when choosing a GTD because every wannabe gangster's choice of ride these days appears to be a stolen sporty Golf or A3 and from what I've heard they tend to target the type of home a young family lives in as those people are least likely to put up a fight over possessions.
Having any type of tracker on the car won't stop these ba5tards as they know the worst that will happen if they do get caught is a tiny fine they will never pay and points on a license they don't have!!
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Sorry to hear about your experience! :angry:
May I ask as to whereabouts in cheshire please? PM if you'd prefer? :smiley:
We had 2 attempts on our car last year, the last one culminating in them coming in via the smashed patio door glass at 1pm whilst my wife and son were home...
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Would a dummy VW key fob sitting downstairs work? They smash the window grab the keys and run to the car. Would they really come back into the house as I'd imagine the owner would be stirred enough to get up and look outside and possibly have phoned the police by this time?
Or would that just annoy them more?
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Don't know about you but the last thing I would want is them coming back into the house looking for trouble because I'd been a wise guy trying to protect a company car with fake keys!! As much as I love my car it's just not that important!
I also wondered where about in Cheshire this crime happened if you don't mind saying?
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Sorry to hear about your experience! :angry:
May I ask as to whereabouts in cheshire please? PM if you'd prefer? :smiley:
We had 2 attempts on our car last year, the last one culminating in them coming in via the smashed patio door glass at 1pm whilst my wife and son were home...
Hartford , Nr Northwich....
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I couldn't agree more with what you have said the standards of everything in this country have sadly slipped. We have enough problems with our own lazy sh!ts without looking after half of europes as well bag em up put em on the nearest boat and send them packing
What a weird thing to say. Aren't you European too?
European people and Lazy people can't be grouped in with criminals to suit your bizarre view of the world. Just because someone has a car stolen by criminals, doesn't mean we should use this to bash lazy people or Europeans, what the hell have they got to do with it? For all we know it could some UK born and bread person.
We moan about Europeans taking our jobs, and we moan about Europeans taking our benefits, they can't do both at the same time...
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I assume your talking about more than 1 European person so therfore they can take a job and claim benefit of you're talking about 2. The 3rd is stealing or golf gtd's :whistle: :whistle: Seriously though if thieves want your car they'll have it no matter what measures you take. Hide the keys and they'll break in and threaten you. Leave them on show and they'll still break in to steal them. I used to hate parking my car over the street away from my house but now it might be a little blessing in disguise (just slightly).
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I couldn't agree more with what you have said the standards of everything in this country have sadly slipped. We have enough problems with our own lazy sh!ts without looking after half of europes as well bag em up put em on the nearest boat and send them packing
What a weird thing to say. Aren't you European too?
European people and Lazy people can't be grouped in with criminals to suit your bizarre view of the world. Just because someone has a car stolen by criminals, doesn't mean we should use this to bash lazy people or Europeans, what the hell have they got to do with it? For all we know it could some UK born and bread person.
We moan about Europeans taking our jobs, and we moan about Europeans taking our benefits, they can't do both at the same time...
Morning Jackie I'm a UK citizen so EU migrants don't come here and claim benefits what about child benefit and the millions leaving the country each month for children that aren't even in this country. Migration needs to be controlled we simply don't have the room to accommodate all of these people so it needs controlling in s similar way the U.S or Australia do. I was commenting on what the op had said oh and let's get back to bashing lazy people. Why should someone leave to go to work in the morning when neighbours 2 or 3 doors up stay in bed don't look after there kids get free child care when in reality they are there all day and don't need free child care. Housing provided on the state in and out of prison I could go on but I'm sure you don't want any more of my bizarre views of the world. Let's hope they find the perpetrators of this crime
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Benefits, wether they be legitimate or fraudulent, are insignificant in relation to how the corporate bankers and politicians rape the country. Also the idiosyncrasies of some people are a by-product of modern society. They will always exist inside an uneven distribution of wealth and opportunity, as will high levels of crime. Blame the system, not the person.
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Figures from the TUC:
- On average people think that 41 per cent of the entire welfare budget goes on benefits to unemployed people, while the true figure is 3 per cent.
- On average people think that 27 per cent of the welfare budget is claimed fraudulently, while the government's own figure is 0.7 per cent.
In my opinion, the general view on immigration is similarly incorrect.
Following on from Jamo's comment, the Government ironically love that people are mad about immigration, it takes people's attention away from what is really going on. Politics, the art of distraction?
Very sorry to hear of your ordeal Anygreg :(
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Anygreg, Sorry to hear about you car and hope you get it back in one piece soon. I also live in Northwich so I will be a little more vigilant in future.
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May or may not be related to OP's incident but may be some small consolation either way; my mk6 was recovered and two lads arrested at the same time. GMP are currently producing a file for the CPS on a 'team' that have been stealing cars by gaining entry to houses. They've said they know who it is, it's just whether or not they've got the evidence to convince the courts.
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can we talk about religion next, life on other planets, moon conspiracies and football teams lol
You know what, nearly 2 weeks on and still on high alert here, still not sleeping properly ... Have, installed new locks, CCTV, Security lighting etc...
Still angers me they got the car, still haven't got a replacement or courtesy car to drive around in...still P1ssd!
Guy down the road has a new Golf R...was going to knock on and let him know what happened...just to offset the sour feelings a bit and help someone else out...if id of known this was going on in my area i may have been a little more alert, who knows? but may of made me feel alittle better after the event that i did my best to avoid being a target...meh, im waffling ...
Also spoke with a good friends who's neighbour was caught up in the same spree of thefts, they has 2 Audis stolen off the drive! apparently 2 teams working out of Manchester and Liverpool...
really hope they catch the scum...but alas, think they are to busy dealing with immigrants ...JOKING! lol
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Likewise. The insurance company now own mine and they're welcome to it after those scumbags have had it for the best part of a month. I'm spending up to 3 hours a day on the tram with a 1.5 mile walk thrown in to get to work and am jumping out of bed every time I hear a bump in the night.
It's a pain in the backside, and the insurance on my next car is staggering, but I know quite a few people who have to deal with much worse than that on a daily basis so I just try to see the positive of me getting to shop for a brand new car.
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I suppose the only way of stopping it happening is to have a house thats a total fortress that cannot be broken into.... not that I'm sure many of us would want to live like that.
Either that or have a way of sending a remote kill to the car, but then again they'd only be back to your house and threatening you again if you did it.
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Update on mine. Got a letter at the back end of last week letting me know that not far off a dozen people are being prosecuted, so far the case has made its way up from Magistrates to Crown Court but no further than a preliminary hearing.
I don't know any of the details of the case, except the names of the defendants and my own witness statement, but given the number of defendants you can be pretty sure it was a fairly large racket which has hopefully been cracked.
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Part of a bigger picture for sure. Just desserts etc. Hopefully that's a bit of closure :wink:
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Part of a bigger picture for sure. Just desserts etc. Hopefully that's a bit of closure :wink:
I'm fairly pleased actually, obviously no guarantee that any of them will even make it to trial, let alone get convicted but good to know the old bill do a bit more than just dish out crime numbers. From a personal point of view I'm quite keen to know a bit more about the entire case, i.e. what went on with other thefts. We're pretty sure they'd been eyeing my car up for a couple of weeks so I've wondered what would have happened if they hadn't have got in the house and/or found the keys so easily... Perhaps doesn't bear thinking about.
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Your post has made me go get quotes for gap insurance.. as well as look at where I store my keys.
Have you decided to change anything regarding car / key / house security?
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Your post has made me go get quotes for gap insurance.. as well as look at where I store my keys.
Have you decided to change anything regarding car / key / house security?
Definitely tightening up security on the house, lights, the odd camera, etc. There are a few nice cars on our road and I wonder if they picked mine as the house looked do-able. I'm not sure about car keys; me and the Mrs were in when it happened but didn't even know that it had, in fact we were arguing about where my keys were when we realised! We've both said that, if it's going to happen, that's perhaps the best way, i.e. no violence. I certainly won't be leaving my keys out on view (in fact they weren't this time) but I doubt I'll be taking them to bed with me either.
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Four cars were stolen from my road in November last year by a gang from England's second city ,two of the scumbags were caught and sentenced to five years in prison recently. I actually caught three of the scumbags on my cctv the next day attempting to pinch my neighbours new Audi.
P.S look up lock snapping on cylinder locks on house doors on YouTube and change yours if they are not modern 3 star rated its shockingly easy to gain entry into your house. I wont tell you how they do it but its VERY easy with only basic tools and takes less than 20 seconds
https://youtu.be/TCufUpr_QRY
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Four cars were stolen from my road in November last year by a gang from England's second city ,two of the scumbags were caught and sentenced to five years in prison recently. I actually caught three of the scumbags on my cctv the next day attempting to pinch my neighbours new Audi.
P.S look up lock snapping on cylinder locks on house doors on YouTube and change yours if they are not modern 3 star rated its shockingly easy to gain entry into your house. I wont tell you how they do it but its VERY easy with only basic tools and takes less than 20 seconds
https://youtu.be/TCufUpr_QRY (https://youtu.be/TCufUpr_QRY)
^This, it's not particularly expensive to upgrade your locks, well worth it imo.
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I've ended up fitting ABLOY protec locks on my doors. Touch more than the easy to pick or break Euro cylinders.
Added advantage of these is that the manufacturer still has patent on key shape (not your normal Euro profiles) for another number of years, so you can only order keys cut from factory with code card and there are no blanks on the market.
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Unfortunately ABRO Protec are easily drilled out as well :angry:
Vid Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj4myR2XlWc)
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Yeah, am aware of that. But makes enough noise for my neighbour to wake up and you need to carry a drill, unlike some other much smaller and easily conceivable tools of the 'trade'.
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Fair enough, thanks for the advice, all my locks are the cheap ones, time to upgrade I think.
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Buy a small safe and bolt it to the wall, in a kitchen cupboard, out of view. Put the keys in it when you are at home; leave the spare with a relative or friend locally. That way scum can't get the key if you asleep or away without your car, and if you are away with your car the scum can't get your spare if they break in.
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I think the problem is, if they don't get the keys downstairs they then stand over your bed with a pick axe handle asking you where they are!!!
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Can it get that bad for a Golf? Surely these guys taking that kind of risk will be going for the 911s :shocked:
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Can it get that bad for a Golf? Surely these guys taking that kind of risk will be going for the 911s :o
From my own experience, yes they will come upstairs if they can't find the keys downstairs. >:(
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P.S look up lock snapping on cylinder locks on house doors on YouTube and change yours if they are not modern 3 star rated its shockingly easy to gain entry into your house. I wont tell you how they do it but its VERY easy with only basic tools and takes less than 20 seconds
https://youtu.be/TCufUpr_QRY
When I was looking into this stuff a few months back, ABS Avocet seemed to be the best cylinder upgrade, check out some of the videos online, not all the cylinders branded as anti-snap or anti-bump are the same even the three star ones. Like some others ABS have a specific key-type that you're only supposed to be able to order from ABS.
This is a nightmare thread by the way. Shocking behaviour.
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On Pistonhead's another R taken, Threatened for his key's getting out the car.
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A lot has happened since the theft of my GTD, still angry me to be honest.
So what happened after, well 3 weeks later the brand new KIA Sportage over the road got robbed, hook and cane through the letterbox , my new CCTV saw and captured the whole event, you see the guys reccy the road walking up and down (probably took 30mins of reccy work before they struck) one cop car down the road in that time would of had them? Plus they must of had a car waiting somewhere?
Neighbour was mortified as was there young daughter, who all now live in fear. To be honest they also had a year old 1 series on the drive, I suspect they went for that, but who knows, I'm sure a Sportage would look nice driving through Africa or Eastern Europe ?
So the cops showed up to do the usual look busy routine.
They popped over to ask if I had any footage of the incident, to be fair I was fkn angry to say the least. They wern't even aware I'd had mine stolen 3-4 weeks earlier? Seriously!
There was zero consistency with what I'd been originally told by the attending PC when my vehicle got stolen, they denied there being a spate of thefts in the area, so I took the time to remind them of the Range Rover , the audi, the BMW's etc etc.. They still denied it....
So, few weeks later they found the Kia at Dover on a transporter bound for Africa , allegedly innocently bought by a polish guy ! Lol (read back through this post regarding Europeans, lol) ironic hey.
Car was already written off at this point and insurance paid out...
No doubt this is where mine went! This needs to be looked at paperwork/documentation needs to be checked on every vehicle...
So my insurance paid out eventually, but took 6 weeks, and fell short £3.5k , I ended up buying a little A1 black edition to run about in , which was fun I guess....
Kept seeing GTD's on the road and being reminded of the event, which still pi$$e$ me off to this day...
So the next thing I read in the local rag, 'car theft ends in bloodbath' bit dramatic to be fair, but none the less another 'non related theft' only 1 mile away from my house.
Audi robbed of the drive, keys taken, owner was a fireman on nights so was awake, came down , disturbed the thieves , who tried to run him over so had to jump back through the smashed window cutting him to ribbons! Non related theft, really?
The news papers never mentioned other thefts in the area? Wtf?
Another incident locally where the thieves broke in and left knives out in each room whilst they searched for the keys... At this I was lost for words.
So, I thought I'd resurrect this thread in hope that some one reads it, adds to it and keeps this alive to help make aware others who may be living in the elusive bubble of false safety given to us By the authorities in order to keep us sleeping sound in our beds at night instead of being vigilant and alert to the real problems on our street that simply are being covered up and or ignored.
So that's the story so far.... Will re read through and make the amendments to my grammatical and miss spelt words lol
Cheers guys .... 'Do sleep well, don't have night mares, and keep a 4 cell baton maglite by your bed!'
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It's all the stress, fear and anger that ensues, let alone the loss of the car. Good to keep thread updated to warn others. :smiley:
PS: As it so happens we do keep a 4 cell Maglite torch next to the bed :laugh:
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Anygreg, feel your pain re the denial of our local police force ... :angry:
It's 18 months on since we had 2 are attempts on our car, first was someone snooping on the drive whilst another knocked on the door at tea time asking 'for dave', slammed the door in his face and then noticed another 2 scrotes hiding in the bushes opposite, week later the wife was home alone at 1pm when they came in via a smashed patio door glass, luckily she went into full on crazy protective mother mode as our 1 year old was asleep in the living room and screamed at them whilst throwing cushions off the sofa! Must have startled them as the one in the kitchen bolted and nearly knocked his 2 mates waiting on the drive over!
Police response to that was to be fair excellent, 7 cars within 4 mins and the chopper! But even though at the time plenty of cars were going missing both in the local area and even our estate they refuse to believe it's an ongoing thing :sad:
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Anygreg, feel your pain re the denial of our local police force ... :angry:
It's 18 months on since we had 2 are attempts on our car, first was someone snooping on the drive whilst another knocked on the door at tea time asking 'for dave', slammed the door in his face and then noticed another 2 scrotes hiding in the bushes opposite, week later the wife was home alone at 1pm when they came in via a smashed patio door glass, luckily she went into full on crazy protective mother mode as our 1 year old was asleep in the living room and screamed at them whilst throwing cushions off the sofa! Must have startled them as the one in the kitchen bolted and nearly knocked his 2 mates waiting on the drive over!
Police response to that was to be fair excellent, 7 cars within 4 mins and the chopper! But even though at the time plenty of cars were going missing both in the local area and even our estate they refuse to believe it's an ongoing thing :sad:
That's unbelievable!
The taking of the car, as much as it pssd me off wasn't a big deal, it was the 'entering the property' or ' throwing a brick through my window' that really pssd me off.
If you skilled enough to steal a modern day car, then fair play, put breaking and entering to steal the keys to take my car, that's just down right scum! Last scum at that....
The reality is, this is writhe in Europe, some real scary stories, and the fact we are pretty much boarder less. Ow here in the UK, things are only going to get worse. Whilst the do Gooders sit in the ivory towers blinkered from what's really going on in this country, the hat working honest public that prop this country up pay the price, makes me sick, even more so when people in this country defend the scum that are entering this country.
Before anyone jumps on the 'let everyone into the UK because we should trust everyone, because everyone is honest and hard working' band wagon, the police confirmed that the gang stealing the cars was European, was/is organised, are stolen to order, and is selling and exporting into Africa (right hand drive)...
It's time the British woke up and stand up to what's really going on in the UK, we are spoon fed BS daily by the powers that be, and insulated from the real truth of what's going on.
The reality is, the horse has now bolted and we face real big problems here! Things ain't going to get any better that's for sure!
Keep the public under paid and working hard, that way we never lift our heads to see what's going on.... It's All about control...
Here endeth the rant
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Open borders has had unintended consequences and needs urgent review. Also note that threat comes from persons holding UK passports as well...
Furthermore, the lack of funding for the Police Force is becoming more evident and it's probably the same for the 'Border Force' as well. It wouldn't surprise me if some Police forces were going to be retained in a few years time...
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Cars stolen and shipped in containers to Africa/Middle East is neither new nor anything to do with lax intra-EU border control.
You only have to watch some of those police/customs fly on the wall doccos and you will see that its really, really common and has been for YEARS.
The problem is that they don't have the manpower to open and inspect every single container leaving the UK... and even then, the front of the container is often packed out with crap with the cars hidden behind them.
Unless you are planning on paying a lot more taxation, this problem won't be solved.
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Cars stolen and shipped in containers to Africa/Middle East is neither new nor anything to do with lax intra-EU border control.
You only have to watch some of those police/customs fly on the wall doccos and you will see that its really, really common and has been for YEARS.
The problem is that they don't have the manpower to open and inspect every single container leaving the UK... and even then, the front of the container is often packed out with crap with the cars hidden behind them.
Unless you are planning on paying a lot more taxation, this problem won't be solved.
Add the extra cost in manpower to the shipping of said stolen goods. Or have units pre checked , this could be policed if they really wanted to stop this.
Anpr does a pretty good job of fining those that speed?
Plus, when they do arrest somebody in connection, as they did in this instance, charge them, instead of believing there BS excuse that they bought it in good faith lol..
Or we could just continue to let this happen, do nothing and hope it doesn't happen to us.
Try bringing back an few extra packs of cigarettes or 1L over your alcohol allowance back into the UK without declaring it?
The right people in the right places is all it needs... I agree we are short staffed on this, but there are plenty of unemployed getting benefits , why not train them to do it, we already pay them! Just a thought....
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2013.... 21.4 MILLION containers came in and out of the UK.
Its roughly one third of that leaving the UK, so about 7 million containers per year.
To examine each one is probably about 30 minutes work MINIMUM (time to move the container to the inspection area, open it and briefly check)- and that's assuming you are only looking for stolen cars.
You'd probably have to go further than just looking for cars, otherwise someone would say "but you didn't find blah blah blah"
At the moment they look at the source, destination and the supposed manifest and target them for inspection based on statistical analysis - its not perfect, but it does use their resources to the best.
If you examined them all, you'd need to do it in a timely manner too - you couldn't hold up freight on that kind of scale.
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The maths with those figures is simply staggering. If you even pretend 1 container could be done in minutes
So 7,000,000 divided by 365 = 19178 needs to be checked per day.
Divide that by 24 = 799 checked per hour.
If one person could check 1 container in 30 minutes you would need 400 containers to be checked per 30 minutes, which would be a minimum workforce on 1 per container people to be checking constantly 24hours a day 365 days a year.
The average day being 8hours long at around £7ph
It would cost an estimated £25mllion to check the containers.
That without factoring holidays, employers NI sick pay and the time delayed on containers.
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Yep....and what if my 40 foot container has a car at the back, with 20 tonnes of "stuff" in front of it, packed floor to ceiling.
There's only one way into the container.... its all got to come out.
Judging by my experience of my company loading/unloading containers we send/receive, it takes about 4 people and a forklift about 5 hours to do one... and thats either loading or unloading - not both!
This is why they only sample and not inspect them all...
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The maths with those figures is simply staggering. If you even pretend 1 container could be done in minutes
So 7,000,000 divided by 365 = 19178 needs to be checked per day.
Divide that by 24 = 799 checked per hour.
If one person could check 1 container in 30 minutes you would need 400 containers to be checked per 30 minutes, which would be a minimum workforce on 1 per container people to be checking constantly 24hours a day 365 days a year.
The average day being 8hours long at around £7ph
It would cost an estimated £25mllion to check the containers.
That without factoring holidays, employers NI sick pay and the time delayed on containers.
think the figures were 1/3rd or 7mil outbound freight from Dover?
truth is and not wanting to get bogged down on why we cant protect our borders and possessions from leaving the UK, but the fact is the vehicle was on a transporter with 8 other cars?
the point is it needs to be looked at, documentation needs to be better suited to stop these stolen vehicles ever being allowed onto the docks or the back of a transporter, let alone a sealed container.
I can probably list 20 reasons why something wouldn't or couldn't work, we need just one to say it can and make it happen...
sat in far to many meetings over the years with others telling me how X or Y wont work , that's the easy answer.... tell me how to make it work, or how to fix it, or at least make it harder for the crims to get away with it, as they are taking the pss
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As with any decision to spend money, you have to weigh up the benefits and balance your spend with whatever else you could spend the money on.
And when you are the government, see if you can get someone else to spend the money instead by pressurizing them to do something - eg car manufacturers to make cars more secure or insurance companies to pay out more or...
However, what is definitely true is that this is NOT an EU borders issue.
I'd guess the USA has just a big a problem with this with cars being shipped to south america... and it doesn't come more hardcore than US ICE and DHS.
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Maybe have a read of this:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3skTCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA299&lpg=PA299&dq=stolen+cars+in+shipping+containers&source=bl&ots=BI9oUHtWy1&sig=LLWVKcNs8MXV6qLDbvILStcjGGk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCAQ6AEwADgUahUKEwi5ue60wtjHAhUKIdsKHb5oAJE#v=onepage&q=stolen%20cars%20in%20shipping%20containers&f=false
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Wonder how much the scrots get for one?
probably not very much.
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Maybe have a read of this:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3skTCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA299&lpg=PA299&dq=stolen+cars+in+shipping+containers&source=bl&ots=BI9oUHtWy1&sig=LLWVKcNs8MXV6qLDbvILStcjGGk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCAQ6AEwADgUahUKEwi5ue60wtjHAhUKIdsKHb5oAJE#v=onepage&q=stolen%20cars%20in%20shipping%20containers&f=false
these professional car criminals know how to beat the system....
change the system :cool:
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But its all about priorities.... do you use your HMRC boys to examine things coming in (guns, drugs, migrants, t'rists) or things going out...
Which one is the thing the public shout loudest about?
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But its all about priorities.... do you use your HMRC boys to examine things coming in (guns, drugs, migrants, t'rists) or things going out...
Which one is the thing the public shout loudest about?
The problem is the flow of cash goes in the wrong direction, nobody actually thinks that road tax actually gets spent repairing roads do they?
Anyway, before we move onto politics and the religion, I just want the guys that stole my car banged up! 😉
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But its all about priorities.... do you use your HMRC boys to examine things coming in (guns, drugs, migrants, t'rists) or things going out...
Which one is the thing the public shout loudest about?
Anyway, before we move onto politics and the religion, I just want the guys that stole my car banged up! 😉
Completely agree, regardless of the politics, no one wants to have their car stolen. So I hope they catch the scum
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Another stolen Golf to report sadly. On 07jul15 at about 4am, thieves prised out the beading of my externally glazed front room window, removed the double glazed unit intact, entered the house and stole the keys to my 3m old Golf R. They ignored laptops, iPads, iPhones and other high value stuff and just took the keys and the car. It was a metallic grey R registered BL64NVX. Needless to say it has not been recovered but was caught by a passive police ANPR camera at 04:30 same day on Speke Road in Liverpool, probably on the way to Garston docks!
Coincidently, I work in Speke (just off Speke Boulevard next to Halewood Operations), so I guess they spotted the car parked up at work and followed me home. This was a lease hire and according to the police, there have been a large number of lease hire vehicles stolen over the last few months. Perhaps thieves are finding a way to get the contract details, including the home address?
VW insurance have let me down, despite telling me they would replace the car like for like if it was stolen or written off within the first year of leasing, they have now changed their mind so I'm out of pocket the deposit and other costs. could have been worse, the lease hire company (also VW) could have come after me for the difference between the Cap value the insurance paid them and the true value, over 15k!!
Lesson is, check the insurance small print if you have a lease hire and consider retrofitting metal cleats to externally beaded double glazing.
I now have a 6 channel HD CCTV system, floodlights and a wireless alarm system plus raging paranoia.
Nothing like this has ever happened to me before, and I'm adamant that it won't happen again.
These people have no shame, utter f*ckers.
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Not good :sad:
Like you, I have a number of CCTV cameras, both visible & hidden, dotted around the perimeter and the house
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Why do you have external beading on your windows? Although thinking about it if you hadn't then they would have only smashed a window which you may have heard and then things take a different turn. Would be interesting to see where these stolen Rs are going!
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VW insurance have let me down, despite telling me they would replace the car like for like if it was stolen or written off within the first year of leasing, they have now changed their mind so I'm out of pocket the deposit and other costs. could have been worse, the lease hire company (also VW) could have come after me for the difference between the Cap value the insurance paid them and the true value, over 15k!!
Interested to know how the insurers are avoiding paying out full value, I was under the impression within first 12 months this was standard practice? What do we need to be looking out for?
Thanks
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How about gap/rti insurance.
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A lot of insurers get sniffy about lease hire cars, although I was told verbally that the car would be replaced if it was written off or stolen and not recovered, the small print in the policy said otherwise. It's because with lease hire, you're not the registered keeper, you don't have the V5 in your name.
Needless to say, I'm in dispute with the insurer as they misinformed me when I bought the policy. Waiting for the copies of the telephone logs to be provided, VW are dragging their heals and hoping I'll go away, no chance!
FYI the policy was underwritten by Allianz, check your small print and make sure you have gap insurance. Irrespective, you'll never recover your initial deposit/payment. I'll never lease again.
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External beading is pretty common with older double glazed installs. The new stuff is all internally beaded which makes it much harder to compromise. If your install is pre 2005, check!.. All they need is a screwdriver and about 90s.
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Sorry your I hear about the car Jon H.
Not so much the car but the way it was taken and the mental and £££ scars left behind.
The insurance thing with leased cars seemed to be the norm going from threads on the willy waving R forum when I last visited some while ago.
The leasee loses the deposit and all payments made but the insurance has to recompence the lease company.
A lot of insurance deals don't apply to leased cars unfortunately.
An interesting point about leased cars and thefts in general though. As said, there seems to be a lot of leased cars stolen and it makes you wonder in a 'conspiracy theory' way that the small lease companies offered very low monthlies to grab people in yet the sizeable deposits get kept by the leasing company, even after total loss - it's the finance company that have to be reimbursed for their missing lump of metal.
Makes you wonder if someone somewhere within the finance companies is up to no good.
Maybe VW are hiring hit men to make sure there aren't too many lease cars hitting the auctions in one hit killing the used values?!!! :grin:
More than likely it's just the very high number of leased cars that make it look like they're being the ones targeted.
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Would be interesting to see which lease companies cars have been stolen with in the Cheshire area?
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About a dozen people involved in the stealing of mine in some way are going to trial in January. I've got a list of names and a brief bit of googling shows that a few of them have been inside before for similar stuff, a lot of it in Cheshire.
Admittedly this is conjecture based on what these individuals have been in the papers for before, if anything, but I get the impression it's not that sophisticated - scumbag burglars fencing stuff on, not all of it cars.
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Woke up this morning, kitchen door open which is normally shut. Think thats odd, walk out the front door and ... no Golf GTD outside. Similar stories to on here and I've read elsewhere, they've screwdrivered open the downstairs front room window, nothing else disturbed, left a half unboxed brand new computer they've gone past plus all the other normal stuff burglars nick, gone to kitchen, got the spare keys and driven it off.
Reported to insurance, so will see what happens next. As I'd forgotten my wallet last night when I last went out in it, the fuel range left in car was 5 miles so they may have to have filled up somewhere!
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Woke up this morning, kitchen door open which is normally shut. Think thats odd, walk out the front door and ... no Golf GTD outside. Similar stories to on here and I've read elsewhere, they've screwdrivered open the downstairs front room window, nothing else disturbed, left a half unboxed brand new computer they've gone past plus all the other normal stuff burglars nick, gone to kitchen, got the spare keys and driven it off.
Reported to insurance, so will see what happens next. As I'd forgotten my wallet last night when I last went out in it, the fuel range left in car was 5 miles so they may have to have filled up somewhere!
That sucks big time. You seem very relaxed about it?
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Woke up this morning, kitchen door open which is normally shut. Think thats odd, walk out the front door and ... no Golf GTD outside. Similar stories to on here and I've read elsewhere, they've screwdrivered open the downstairs front room window, nothing else disturbed, left a half unboxed brand new computer they've gone past plus all the other normal stuff burglars nick, gone to kitchen, got the spare keys and driven it off.
Reported to insurance, so will see what happens next. As I'd forgotten my wallet last night when I last went out in it, the fuel range left in car was 5 miles so they may have to have filled up somewhere!
Sorry to hear about this. Not easy, but good to have a pragmatic attitude towards it.
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Sorry to hear it too - how old was the GTD - hopefully you have car replacement on your policy - and/or GAP?
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Makes my blood boil when I read about these stories. Sorry to hear its happened but thankfully nobody got hurt.
I don't know if you ever ran your GTD past the 0 miles left but you can easily get in excess of another 20 once it hits 0. Just in case you are concentrating on garages in a 5 mile radius. Although it might be enough to spook them.
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Sorry to hear this hope you get it sorted scum bags is a word used far to often but that's what they are.
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I'm more shaken by the fact people were in the house and if someone in the house had gone to the loo or gone to get a drink at the wrong time ... thankfully nothing bad happened to anyone which is more important.
As for the car, it's insured, I have GAP, my insurance also gives a hire car so I'll have a car this afternoon thankfully. Got an 'interview' with the car theft department at the insurance company Thursday to kick off that process properly. As it seems a few people on here have had this happen, what does happen with getting a new car as it was a lease?
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As far as I know the lease contract is cancelled after ~30 days, the insurance company pays the lease company for the stolen vehicle and you have to take out a new lease.
The 30 days period might be changeable between lease contracts, but the rest will be the same.
Oh I forgot, the difference between what the insurance company pay out and the end of lease residual value that the lease company based your payments on is payable by you...
And we all know how so very generous the insurance companies are with their quite laughable glasses guides!
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As far as I know the lease contract is cancelled after ~30 days, the insurance company pays the lease company for the stolen vehicle and you have to take out a new lease.
The 30 days period might be changeable between lease contracts, but the rest will be the same.
Oh I forgot, the difference between what the insurance company pay out and the end of lease residual value that the lease company based your payments on is payable by you...
And we all know how so very generous the insurance companies are with their quite laughable glasses guides!
Cheers, as I thought iot may be. I'm taking it the GAP insurance I took is for the difference between insurance issued payment and what is owed to VW finance.
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GAP will cover your remaining payments until the lease is cancelled.
Unfortunately your initial payment is not recoverable so I hope that was not a high one :-(
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Isn't the whole point of GAP to cover the difference in the insurance company payout and what the lease/finance company want back for the car?
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I'm a bit confused with that statement too... but I may be being simple?!
I'm looking at a new £27k GTI on VW Finance, with an £8250 deposit (including the deposit contribution - i.e £7k from me). Over a 3 year term, the outstanding balance on the car is £21k (taking into account interest).
If I pick it up and a month later it is written off, does the insurance company not pay me the market value (for example £22k) and the GAP insurance pays an additional £5k on a Return to Invoice policy? This would then pay off the remaining £21k on the finance and leave me with the majority of my deposit money left over?
Or am I missing something really simple/obvious? :huh:
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I sometimes wonder why people would want to steal a GTD.To go to all that bother for a diesel Golf.
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GAP works in a different way for leased cars and only covers your ongoing payments from the point of loss.
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Right, that's really poor.
I did a bit of research last night and found out that VWs own Solutions finance is a type of Hire Purchase rather than lease and so insurance payout works in the way I described (at least for Admiral).
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I sometimes wonder why people would want to steal a GTD.To go to all that bother for a diesel Golf.
I think that too, quite a few R's taken around here including a dealers demo never heard of a gti taken yet maybe because they are pretty rare.
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I sometimes wonder why people would want to steal a GTD.To go to all that bother for a diesel Golf.
What has the fact it is a diesel Golf got to do with it? Car thieves look for opportunity, and more often than not a car that is worth a lot, which the GTD is (comparative to a lot of other cars on the road).
I know someone who had theirs stolen and it was found a week later stripped bare. There are many outlets for a stolen car, and I'd guess we're entering a time now where joy riding is the least of our worries.
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Cars got harder to steal, but house security didn't follow suit.
It remains fairly easy to throw cars onto cargo ships for hungry conscience free foreign buyers.
Car parts got expensive, while eBay and gumtree remain brilliant outlets for stolen stuff.
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In the last week I've heard of four cars that were stolen locally, and they were all recovered shortly after because they had a tracker installed. One was my friends M235i, tracked using the BMW Assist system in the car.
When my R arrives I'll be having a VHF tracker put on it straightaway.
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I did a bit of research last night and found out that VWs own Solutions finance is a type of Hire Purchase rather than lease and so insurance payout works in the way I described (at least for Admiral).
Yes - Solutions is a PCP scheme (Personal Contract Purchase) and the car is registered in your name so GAP will work in the conventional way depending on what type of policy you purchased and selected claims limit.
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You need gap with return to invoice to get a full payout for an exact car bought.
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No - you really need 'Replacement Vehicle' GAP for that as 'Return to Invoice' will only get you back to the cost you paid for the your car in the first place. If the list price of the car has since increased (mine has twice in the last 20 months) and the current discount is not quite so good you will have to cover that yourself with RTI.
All the more important if you intend to keep the car a while - not such an issue if the unfortunate policy holder has his car stolen in the first month....
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No - you really need 'Replacement Vehicle' GAP for that as 'Return to Invoice' will only get you back to the cost you paid for the your car in the first place. If the list price of the car has since increased (mine has twice in the last 20 months) and the current discount is not quite so good you will have to cover that yourself with RTI.
All the more important if you intend to keep the car a while - not such an issue if the unfortunate policy holder has his car stolen in the first month....
This.
Replacement Policy Plus or Replacement Vehicle policy is what you need. I obtained over £4k discount off my R and so if I only had Return to Invoice policy that would only pay out the amount I paid after discount and therefore most likely NOT cover the cost of a replacement vehicle, plus take into account any price increases that had come into effect, exactly as Mark V says.