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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: drisser on 04 February 2015, 08:08
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Sorry am sure this has been covered before.
Given I get nothing like the claimed MPG on my Audi TTS ( never ever better than 30 mpg which I find poor for a 4 cyl) I would be keen to know what real world users of GTi and GTD are getting with their cars ?
Running costs of the GTD appeal to me but I much prefer the GTi look, just wondered what anyone is getting on a mix of driving given we all know the quoted numbers are pie in the sky ?
I found BMW's quoted MPG's are much closer to what is achievable than Audi / VW..
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My GTi is averaging around 32mpg but i do quite a lot of shorter journeys < 10 miles.
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My average is somewhere between 32-34mpg and that's doing roughly 40 miles a day, 50/50 split between city driving and motorway
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I have covered 2000 miles and my average is 33.8 mpg but 800 miles of that have been long trips mainly motorway. Local 6 miles runs in hilly cornwall I get around 32mpg per tank if I take it easy. I am hoping this will improve as the weather warms up and the engine beds in but not by much. filled up at tesco with club card for 98p a litre so good timing for new petrol car as oil price has crashed :smiley:
My MK5 GT TDI 170 DPF only retruned 43 mpg locally and as I only do around 8000 miles a year I went for the GTI as i much prefer the styling and heritage. Worth the extra few quid in fuel. If i was doing 15 -20 k a year might have to consider the fuel cost :smiley:
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Good point actually about the fuel cost, given unleaded is now around 5-6% cheaper than diesel, that cancels out some of the economy benefit..
Have found diesel MPG claims to be just as wild as petrol TBH, my TT TDi quattro never did much more than 45mpg, which to be fair isnt bad but it was a light car.. I did find on long trips it was handy for example driving from East Anglia to North Scotland you didnt need to fill up at overpriced motorway services !
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Type MPG in the search box at the top of the page and there are a ton of discussions about fuel consumption.
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My GTI has a long term of around 31mpg. I live only 3 miles from my office and most of my driving is A-B Roads. If and when I do a long motorway journey, it does get up to about 36-37mpg.
Interesting as my MK5 GTI was about the same, if not a touch better.
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Out of interest has anyone noticed a difference with the PP version ie is it much the same .. ?
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GTD, average over 24K miles 47.4mpg in all driving. Varied driving, motorway and A/B roads as well as some urban stuff...
Petrol about 6% cleaper than diesel. Diesel (on the figures in this thread) uses about 35% less fuel.
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My GTI averaged mid 20s and my current GTD is late 30s to mid 40s. I estimate is returns at least 15mpg more than the GTI did, so 165 miles more per tank.
Major frustration for me was motorway journeys in the GTI, I found it almost impossible to break 40mpg, whereas the GTD has on a number of occasions exceeded it's official combined figure of 67.3mpg.
However, in day-to-day driving I think the GTI is a more satisfying car. It just feels sharper and doesn't suffer from the slightly poor throttle response you get with the 2.0TDI. I honestly think the GTD is faster on the motorway though.
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My GTD has 27k on the clock just now. Averaging approx 45mpg in the winter months. Was approx 52mpg in the summer months.
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I honestly think the GTD is faster on the motorway though.
The GTI will be within its peak torque range at motorway speeds, so will scoot off in 6th gear, whereas the GTI's torque will be higher up the rev range.
Put a GTI in 4th gear at 70mph next to a GTD in 6th gear at the same speed then accelerate, the difference will show itself then.
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Long term average MPG since new is just under 35mpg. Mixture of driving, although quite a lot of short journeys.
A decent 60 mile run on the motorway at the weekend returned 41/42 mpg, sitting at 70mph on the cruise in Eco mode.
The onboard fuel consumption is also pretty accurate compared to my manually recorded details as well.
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thanks for the replies guys
makes a mockery of the brochure MPG figures !
My TTS "JUST" does 30MPG on a long run very careful driving and average low 20's which i find shocking for a 4 CYL turbo.. MY previous BMW 135i coupe (6cyl, 3.0 Turbo) easily did 35 mpg on a run...
I am quite surprised that for modern cars the MPG is so low ? Is it the weight, all the computers that need powering !?
My ancient 2004 BMW 330ci coupe 3.0 (230 BHP) easily also did 35 MPG and hardly ever dropped below 30.. even in hard driving i got 26-28.. and I have a 1997 Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo (220 BHP / 220 Lb Ft so enar identical output to a GTi), it will easily do high 20's all day long and mid to high 30's on a run..
So I am struggling to see much progress in the last 15 years with VAG ?!! :angry:
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According to my fuelly account, my GTD is averaging 46.5 mpg over it's lifetime of just over 12000 miles. I should add I've only had two really good motorway journeys in that time with my typical journeys being 12-20 miles (most urban) going to work and back.
Considering my journeys, I'm pretty pleased with that.
I think with the ever increasing march towards Zero emissions, and the propensity for things like Diesel particulate filters now being required on all new diesel vehicles, as well as the fact vehicles today tend to be heavier than cars of yesteryear (despite the claims), means it's becoming ever more difficult to see massive increases in MPG usual conventional internal combustion engines with all these regulations and tech strangling the engine. I think the future of massively better MPG will be in technologies like Hybrids and extensions of the VW cylinder deactivation technologies used in the 1.4 engine.
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Factor in the extra drag from 4WD and additional weight.
m135i auto has 8 speed box as well.
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So I am struggling to see much progress in the last 15 years with VAG ?!! :angry:
I feel the same about the 2.0TFSI. In most guises the performance to economy ratio just isn't high enough. I'm hoping they'll make the move to some sort of hybrid technology, or ACT.
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So I am struggling to see much progress in the last 15 years with VAG ?!! :angry:
15 years? My Mk2 GTI does 34mpg. I guess the progress is the Mk2 is not a safe, sporty but practical, family car. It's strange looking back remembering the days when it was considered to be all those things.
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I honestly think the GTD is faster on the motorway though.
The GTI will be within its peak torque range at motorway speeds, so will scoot off in 6th gear, whereas the GTI's torque will be higher up the rev range.
Put a GTI in 4th gear at 70mph next to a GTD in 6th gear at the same speed then accelerate, the difference will show itself then.
Less difference in the mk7 as the GTI has 258 lb ft at 1500 rpm and is lower geared than a GTD in 6th but the GTD does 'feel' more punchy despite the stop clock telling a different story.
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You need to take at least 10%maybe even 20%in some cases off the manufacturers claimed mpg's from all cars not just VW's. Mpg tests are done on rolling road cycles with no outside interference at all. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if a 4 stone child is driving to save even more weight :grin:
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I think we all know the quoted numbers are rubbish..
However it doesnt explain why a 4 Cyl 272ps turbo is way less economical (not just some of the time, but all of the time) than BMW's 306 BHP 6 cyl 3.0 turbo ? Mine was a coupe with manual box not the later M135i.. Yes the TTS is quattro but not permanent and the TT is part aluminium so no heavier than a 1 series coupe..
In the GTi, tuned at 230 PS, I dont see why that should easily do high 30's regularly its only a 2 litre after all ?
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Well either BMW is extracting more economy or the figures are optimistic.
The GTI will surely do 47 on the motorway driven sensibly.
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I used to average high 20's in my TT so anything over 30 I'm quite happy about. In saying that, it is pretty scandalous what the manufacturers are allowed to get away with when quoting mpg's.
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You should easily get over 40 mpg on a motorway @70mph, i'm getting 41 mpg 1700 miles on the clock GTI PP.
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I can see motorway mpgs shooting up now the plod aren't shy about putting speed cameras on the motorways to enforce not only variable speed limits but now the statutory 70mph limit.