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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Exonian on 15 January 2015, 19:29
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... prices announced today by VW UK
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/90078/vw-golf-gte-price-and-release-date-revealed
The first of a new generation of hot(ish) hatches.
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Sound like a good compromise but what will the residuals be like in 2 or 3 yrs time
compared to a GTi / GTD. ???
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Sound like a good compromise but what will the residuals be like in 2 or 3 yrs time
compared to a GTi / GTD. ???
I could see the residuals being at least as good as a GTI, the whole drivetrain doesn't rely on a battery (which is the main downfall of most electric only vehicles, and the fear of huge replacement costs along with diminishing range) - these will be very popular for London commuters. Near as damn-it GTD performance (on 0-62 anyway - would be interesting to see mid-range acceleration figures: 40-80mph in 4th/5th/6th), as well equipped. Would have been interesting to see them knock out an all LED headlight for GTE to keep battery drain down.
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where this scores is the CO2 which means if you run one as a company car the tax is peanuts and your capital allowances on these are superb
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when will they be in the showroom anybody know ?
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where this scores is the CO2 which means if you run one as a company car the tax is peanuts and your capital allowances on these are superb
39g/km. With those figures it would imply that VW's test cycle has the car running 3/4 on electric.
An electric car that makes a lot more sense than an all electric one. It will be a bit thirstier than a 1.4 ACT Golf on a longer journey, lugging that extra weight, but around the doors on a 15 mile commute, a trip to the petrol station might be a rarity if you're not constantly putting your foot down.
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Had it been available to order last Sept/Oct, I would have seriously considered one
Benefit in Kind at 5% is around £1650 a year based on the price of £33035 before the grant, compared to 17% on the GTD at £26,015 which is around £4420 a year
Big savings for company car drivers in tax :)
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where this scores is the CO2 which means if you run one as a company car the tax is peanuts and your capital allowances on these are superb
39g/km. With those figures it would imply that VW's test cycle has the car running 3/4 on electric.
An electric car that makes a lot more sense than an all electric one. It will be a bit thirstier than a 1.4 ACT Golf on a longer journey, lugging that extra weight, but around the doors on a 15 mile commute, a trip to the petrol station might be a rarity if you're not constantly putting your foot down.
i've got the petrol engine in the polo and its a peach, i live in Oxford and they hate cars but have charge points
the fact that capital allowances are 100% in year one makes this an interesting prospect through my company
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Sound like a good compromise but what will the residuals be like in 2 or 3 yrs time
compared to a GTi / GTD. ???
I could see the residuals being at least as good as a GTI, the whole drivetrain doesn't rely on a battery (which is the main downfall of most electric only vehicles, and the fear of huge replacement costs along with diminishing range) - these will be very popular for London commuters. Near as damn-it GTD performance (on 0-62 anyway - would be interesting to see mid-range acceleration figures: 40-80mph in 4th/5th/6th), as well equipped. Would have been interesting to see them knock out an all LED headlight for GTE to keep battery drain down.
It should have LED headlights mate, we were told that when we went to drive it early December.
Going to be one of the most influential cars for a long time. If you want a 5 door DSG GTD or GTI then why would you not buy the GTE.......I am predicting record breaking demand and horrific lead times.
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wait a min, i saw one of these in derby last week, are you telling me their not even out yet? If definitely had the same LEDs of the front bumper and I couldn't hear it when it launched off the line so it has to be...
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Had it been available to order last Sept/Oct, I would have seriously considered one
Benefit in Kind at 5% is around £1650 a year based on the price of £33035 before the grant, compared to 17% on the GTD at £26,015 which is around £4420 a year
Big savings for company car drivers in tax :)
If your GTD build is still unconfirmed then you could still switch, but will they offer much discount? I doubt many people outside enthusiast circles know about the GTE yet, might be the best time to get on a relatively short (for now) waiting list.
If most of my journeys were short (at least 1/2 of them within the scope of the electric range) and I was a company car driver i'd consider one.
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Is the GTE DSG only? Seems to be from what i have read.....
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Yes only 5 door DSG
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Right hand drive production has not started yet, which is why production has been delayed due to unprecedented demand on the continent. When I was at the factory November last year I was told they can only build 200 GTE's a day............that is simply not enough.........
VW head office employee's have been told they cannot have them as company cars yet because they knew they simply could not make enough for demand in Europe never mind when the UK gets hold of it.
I am very surprised you saw one in the UK, I know they had a pre-production car at the Gadget show last year but didn't think any dealers were sent any. Are you certain it was not just an E-Golf?
Lee
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ahh so there is an E-Golf as well is there, well if it also has GTI light clusters on the back then yes fair enough that will be it then, even more surprised by its speed then, it flew off the line but they were probably gunning it for fun.
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Get that 1.4 remapped to 180bhp and with the electric torque available from 0 RPM that would be one quick car. :laugh:
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GTD order confirmed and should be delivered in a few weeks
Really interesting car though, is the GTE and with diesels only going to become less attractive for many drivers, cars like the GTE are the future
I'll let others work out any teething problems for a few years first!
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ahh so there is an E-Golf as well is there, well if it also has GTI light clusters on the back then yes fair enough that will be it then, even more surprised by its speed then, it flew off the line but they were probably gunning it for fun.
You saw an E-Golf - has GTI style rear lights etc.... not easy to tell from the GTE...
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Had it been available to order last Sept/Oct, I would have seriously considered one
Benefit in Kind at 5% is around £1650 a year based on the price of £33035 before the grant, compared to 17% on the GTD at £26,015 which is around £4420 a year
Big savings for company car drivers in tax :)
Have you considered what the actual fuel costs are as well? I mean how many pence per mile for a GTD vs GTE (assuming a certain perecentage of electric drive usage). Also, if you get a company fuel card... are they going to pay your home electricity bill? I think I know the answer...
Much like the push for derv vehicles to lower CO2 (only to discover the nitrous dioxide polution problem) I have a sneaking suspicion that electrically powered transport is going to run into a problem too - this time that the UK hasn't got enough electricity because of failure to decide on which sort of power stations to build.
With predictions of rolling blackouts in the UK, is it necessarily wise to punt for an electric car - even if this one is a hybrid...
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So can it do 166 mpg on a long run with the engine running in tandem with the electric motor or are they basing that 166mpg off 8.8 kw of charge of electric to do 31 miles? If its the later what a load of bull$hit it is.
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Sound like a good compromise but what will the residuals be like in 2 or 3 yrs time
compared to a GTi / GTD. ???
I could see the residuals being at least as good as a GTI, the whole drivetrain doesn't rely on a battery (which is the main downfall of most electric only vehicles, and the fear of huge replacement costs along with diminishing range) - these will be very popular for London commuters. Near as damn-it GTD performance (on 0-62 anyway - would be interesting to see mid-range acceleration figures: 40-80mph in 4th/5th/6th), as well equipped. Would have been interesting to see them knock out an all LED headlight for GTE to keep battery drain down.
It should have LED headlights mate, we were told that when we went to drive it early December.
Going to be one of the most influential cars for a long time. If you want a 5 door DSG GTD or GTI then why would you not buy the GTE.......I am predicting record breaking demand and horrific lead times.
Because i wouldn't want to pay 28k for a 1.4 golf with 148 bhp and i'm presuming the boot is smaller for batteries ?
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Have you considered what the actual fuel costs are as well? I mean how many pence per mile for a GTD vs GTE (assuming a certain perecentage of electric drive usage). Also, if you get a company fuel card... are they going to pay your home electricity bill? I think I know the answer...
Much like the push for derv vehicles to lower CO2 (only to discover the nitrous dioxide polution problem) I have a sneaking suspicion that electrically powered transport is going to run into a problem too - this time that the UK hasn't got enough electricity because of failure to decide on which sort of power stations to build.
With predictions of rolling blackouts in the UK, is it necessarily wise to punt for an electric car - even if this one is a hybrid...
Charging station at work so wouldn't cost my electric but I know others wouldn't be so fortunate. I did see some figures previously about the cost per mile for hybrids but can't find them now
i do agree with your other comments though when hybrids get mass market share
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So can it do 166 mpg on a long run with the engine running in tandem with the electric motor or are they basing that 166mpg off 8.8 kw of charge of electric to do 31 miles? If its the later what a load of bull$hit it is.
That'll be on a short run (probably the official test cycle of around 11mins duration, probably having gone about 6miles). 80% of that derived figure will be from all electric driving. If you are on a long journey (>150 miles) and you've exhausted the batteries, you'll likely be getting 45mpg overall.
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You'd probably be better off with the 1.6 TDI Bluemotion.... 99g/km
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Here's an idea (leaving performance aside for a moment)
Go and download the Audi Mileage Tracker app for your iPhones and Androids, and see what engine type it suggests for your typical journeys would be most appropriate...you may all be surprised what type could suit better (the VW app doesn't seem to have been updated yet)
Given that the A3 e-tron is the Golf GTE drivetrain in another suit, it's probably a very similar outcome for the comparisions.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/audi-mileage-tracker/id531301468?ls=1&mt=8
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.co.audi.tracker
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£12.55 to do 31 miles. Yes i'm interested in the Etron instead of a R8 V10 :smiley:
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Noticed this morning that these were on the configurator. I'm very interested in one for early next year.
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People need to be careful buying purely electric cars for work as hmrc currently state that no mileage rate can be paid/reimbursed as it is deemed to be not a fuel. Hybrids are ok but the only thing you might get from an employer is to be able to charge your car for nowt. Some will chose to pay an amount but they are not forced to.
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People need to be careful buying purely electric cars for work as hmrc currently state that no mileage rate can be paid/reimbursed as it is deemed to be not a fuel. Hybrids are ok but the only thing you might get from an employer is to be able to charge your car for nowt. Some will chose to pay an amount but they are not forced to.
And most places of work are trying to get leaner with their costs (6-sigma, 5C/5S initiatives etc) not add to them by having their employees tap into their electricity to charge their cars.
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Forgive me for being over simplistic and I'm sure the question has been asked a million times but:
How are these things actually 'greener'? There may be less smoke coming out of the arse end but there will be a huge extra draw on the power stations which in turn are then going to have to produce more electric so they'll have masses of extra waste byproduct, be it nuclear or coal fired or whatever. Plus battery disposal at end of life, use of fancy metals to make new batteries...
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Forgive me for being over simplistic and I'm sure the question has been asked a million times but:
How are these things actually 'greener'? There may be less smoke coming out of the arse end but there will be a huge extra draw on the power stations which in turn are then going to have to produce more electric so they'll have masses of extra waste byproduct, be it nuclear or coal fired or whatever. Plus battery disposal at end of life, use of fancy metals to make new batteries...
It's a case of "not in my back garden", as with all "green" things that rely on electricity that is still predominantly derived from fossil fuels. I wouldn't be doing it for environmental conscience, it would be to take advantage of tax breaks. Lets face it though, to make the most out the potential running cost savings, you're going to have to be running electric mode 90% of the time and not tapping into the 150PS of the petrol engine too much.
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An interesting article and representation of data here: http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green
It all comes down to how green the power is in your Country. Some Countries are so non-green that a normal engined car would be way better than a hybrid/electric. Some obviously vary by area, such as states in the USA - giving good reason for Elon Musk's endeavours starting in California.
In the UK you could always chose a green power supplier, and you would undoubtedly be doing some good with a hybrid if charging at home.
Or has anyone delved into the 'free installation' home solar panel schemes?
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An interesting article and representation of data here: http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green
It all comes down to how green the power is in your Country. Some Countries are so non-green that a normal engined car would be way better than a hybrid/electric. Some obviously vary by area, such as states in the USA - giving good reason for Elon Musk's endeavours starting in California.
In the UK you could always chose a green power supplier, and you would undoubtedly be doing some good with a hybrid if charging at home.
Or has anyone delved into the 'free installation' home solar panel schemes?
Our house faces due South, with unobstructed access to the sun, and no scope for anything to be built in front of us, but those solar panels are so damn ugly and no-one else in the street has them. It's rather off-putting to be the first.
I do find the green agenda to be a bit of a con, a few on the ball companies are making a killing on the home charging points scheme alone.
Up until Sept 14, you could have had the full cost of a home charging point (up to the cost of £1000) paid for by a Government grant. How much do they cost? £1000 of course. After Sept 14, the government will fund 75% of the cost (up to 75% of £1000). How much do they cost now?
Well now they'll fit you one for an invoiced £1000, but they won't need your £250, but will still get £750 off the Government. Overnight these companies were happy to lose 25% of their money.
The unit itself (little more than a transformer and a waterproof plug point with lead), tapped into your exterior electricity meter takes 40 mins for a single electrician to install and would cost you around £140 from a specialist Electrical factor. Massive profiteering. On the open market with no grant the whole process wouldn't bring in more than £250.
As grants diminish with the solar panels, so does the cost to the consumer. So much money to be made by the installers.
Around 40% of our workforce was made redundant in Sept (the rest of us due in June 15), and a few lads clubbed together to set up their own renewable energy installation company (heat pumps and solar panels) - they're doing well and say the margin on an installation is huge(they could fit a new system for £2500 and still make a healthy profit based on what hourly rate a sparky should command + scaffold costs etc) . Regular replacement of the inverters is an ongoing cost to take into account, and to really get the most out of the electricity you're generating you should be using it while you're generating it during the day (using the washing machine and tumbler, electrical heating etc), as there's no way of storing it without one of those ancient electricity meters that can run backwards and remove digits from your reading.
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Very impressive performance.
Watch "2015 VW Golf 7 GTE (204hp) - 0-200 km/h accelerat…" on YouTube
2015 VW Golf 7 GTE (204hp) - 0-200 km/h accelerat…: http://youtu.be/gxRptqAOt7E
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I guess im the only person thinking this is a very complicated motor with so much to go wrong and with VW resent track record of quality issues I wouldn't touch one until they have been out at least a year and sorted out most of the teething problems.
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I guess im the only person thinking this is a very complicated motor with so much to go wrong and with VW resent track record of quality issues I wouldn't touch one until they have been out at least a year and sorted out most of the teething problems.
No Geoff, you are not. I don't have much confidence in VW quality either. They are having major problems with their MQB platform as, so far, it has failed to be the panacea for all that ails Golf production in Wolfsburg. It seems there is huge disruption to production due too the many Golf variants. The robots cannot cope! In fact, they have also resorted to feeding sheets of steel by hand in the pressing plant!
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Monkeyhanger - Interested reading, thanks. I looked into it once more, and if you go for the free option you can save around £140 on electric a year, but yes - relying on the time of day you actually use power. But, if you have a spare £7k in savings it's a pretty nice investment, as you will get £630 a year from the government feed in scheme - plus your own energy savings.
Very impressive performance.
Watch "2015 VW Golf 7 GTE (204hp) - 0-200 km/h accelerat…" on YouTube
2015 VW Golf 7 GTE (204hp) - 0-200 km/h accelerat…: http://youtu.be/gxRptqAOt7E
Very impressive indeed. I know it's 'brand new' tech, but if I was looking for a car now I would be all over one regardless.
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I guess im the only person thinking this is a very complicated motor with so much to go wrong and with VW resent track record of quality issues I wouldn't touch one until they have been out at least a year and sorted out most of the teething problems.
No Geoff, you are not. I don't have much confidence in VW quality either. They are having major problems with their MQB platform as, so far, it has failed to be the panacea for all that ails Golf production in Wolfsburg. It seems there is huge disruption to production due too the many Golf variants. The robots cannot cope! In fact, they have also resorted to feeding sheets of steel by hand in the pressing plant!
It's pretty difficult to implement new automated tech in vehicle building plants. When I used to work at the Ford Transit van plant in Southampton, they went through a lot of windscreens trying to perfect the automation of lifting a windscreen into place. VW's implementation of MQB takes that automation to a whole new level.
They'd probably be better off losing a little theoretical production capability with a few dedicated lines (e.g. one for the sun-roof optioned variants, and then weighting for the other car types based on volume of orders), rather than a "one size fits all (it clearly doesn't right now) approach.
For how long most here keep their cars (not beyond warranty), if I was after a GTE i'd chance it. For the most part electric motors and associated equipment are old tech used in a new way, the car manufacturers know how to make auto-electrics reliably (although some don't due to costs).
VW have made only 1 truly catastrophic engine type in recent years with all the innovation they throw out there (the twin-charged 1.4TSI unit), their general reliability is slightly better than average.
We buying new cars are at the sharp end of product failure. For most things that can go wrong in the first 7 years of ownership (before wear and tear really take their toll), most will happen in the first year when incorrect fitment of a perfectly fine part or correct fitment of a defective part will become apparent quite quickly. Our 0-3 year old cars will probably seem far less reliable than someone running a 3 year old example for 3 years. High residuals on the higher VW Golfs make it almost as cheap to run a new one for 3 years than a 3 year old one for 3 years, which is why I keep coming back for a new one.
Confidence that anything going wrong will be fixed without further expense also comes into play, even if the higher failure rate is an inconvenience when getting it fixed under warranty.
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Good post MH! :-)
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Great post monkyhanger.