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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: markos on 30 December 2014, 14:05
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so it turns out the remap has caused the engine mount to come loose and has caused a bit of damage, i'm currently looking for a new downpipe and aircon pipe but that's another matter.
what i need to sort out is the engine mount so it doesn't happen again. does anyone know of a way to strengthen or upgrade the engine mounts to handle the extra torque created by the remap?
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and if anyone knows of a cheaper/better alternative to the £700 OEM downpipe that i'm being quoted by VW that would be much appreciated!
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I'm assuming you drive a mk5 GTI? There's plenty of options regarding upgraded engine mounts, Vibratechnics or Revo are some good options, check out the selection available here;
http://www.awesomegti.com/car/vw/golfmk5?subpart=Mounts
Initially, you'll be best investing in replacement OEM top left and right mounts and upgrade the dog bone and sub frame mounts. This should help you stiffen then engine up and stop it moving about but by replacing the main top left and right mounts with OEM you won't get harsh vibrations in the cabin as upgraded mounts will shake your teeth out for a while till the wear in!
For replacing the down pipe, you're probably best going for a stainless steel sports downpipe from the likes of Milltek or BCS. While those two companies are the most expensive systems, they're by far the best quality. You will need to get your R-Tech map tweaked accordingly but you'll unlock more power and economy by going down this route.
If you're replacing broken things, upgrade them to after market items which will last much longer than the car will!
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I'd say do a full set of mounts from the same manufacturer so you have a balanced and evenly distributed load across them all. I have a full set of Revo mounts and the difference is profound. Yes there's a little NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) but the improvements far outweigh this, in fact I quite like it. Car is sharper on throttle response as you no longer have to overcome movement in the engine mounts - touch the throttle and it's at the wheels instantly. The engine noise is also quite addictive now.
The Golf was made 'soft' to appeal to the masses after all.
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I've heard that the vibration calms down after a few thousand miles when the mounts wear in a little bit... It's definitely a worth while upgrade, do it once and forget about doing it again.
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so when you say a full set of mounts what exactly would this include? i've done a bit of searching on awesome gti and there seems to be a few options
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Torque mount, sub frame mount, upper left and right engine mounts. :smiley:
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Torque mount, sub frame mount, upper left and right engine mounts. :smiley:
thanks again man! sounds like i need to get saving
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As mentioned, you can opt to replace all 4 at the same time, however I've read (through the internet and Performance VW magazine) that it's quite common to replace the torque mount, then the subframe and finally the top engine mounts. This is a progressive way which allows you to find a comfortable balance of performance vs. comfort. But it's a personal call and I can't say which is better to do.
Personally, I'm replacing the torque mount first and going from there.
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ok, deliberating over these engine mounts and also slightly confused.
these are the set from revo but the terminology is different to what's been suggested by you guys. you say i need torque, subframe and then left and right but can't see those descriptions on the link below.
http://www.revotechnik.com/product-details/engine-hardware/fsi-tsi-engine-transmission-pendulum-mount#.VNOWtJWzXcs
also, been chatting with my dad (who's a mechanic from way back) and he doesn't see the point of upgrading the mounts as he said it was the bolt that sheared and by replacing the mounts it's still going to have the same bolt and he thinks it wouldn't make any difference. i tried telling him there's a reason, why would you have the option to upgrade if it was pointless? but his argument was that people make things just to take your money with no gain to you.
so i'm all a bit confused now. i still want to get them done as i want my car to perform as best as possible, it's been remapped to 250bhp after all so i want to be able to drive it that way and not worried about shearing engine mount bolts when pulling away!
any help would be much appreciated!
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That link shows both the top left and right engine mounts and the torque mount (with associated hardware) but not a subframe mount. Your dad has a point but a search on YouTube will hopefully find the videos showing how it reduces engine movement considerably. Just means engine power isn't wasted in engine movement and if you're replacing parts anyway, pay the premium for upgraded parts with longer warranties and higher life expectancy.
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That link shows both the top left and right engine mounts and the torque mount (with associated hardware) but not a subframe mount. Your dad has a point but a search on YouTube will hopefully find the videos showing how it reduces engine movement considerably. Just means engine power isn't wasted in engine movement and if you're replacing parts anyway, pay the premium for upgraded parts with longer warranties and higher life expectancy.
the link has 3 different options:
engine mount, transmission mount and pendulum mounts... as the terminology isn't the same which of these would be a torque mount?
the trouble is with my dad is that he's very cynical an doesn't see the point in wasting money on "fun things". i've got used to that but still want to know if the mounts are worth doing based on other people's experiences
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Ah yes... I believe (could be wrong) that engine mount is the right mount and transmission mount is what we call the left mount. The torque inset (pendulum mount) is as mentioned.
I'm not going to say your dad is wrong, but having modified my car with "fun things", it's easy to see why going down that route is the way so many people go.
Back to the original point of this topic, the upgraded material in the Revo mounts will ensure that movement and energy isn't transferred into the bolts which is the main cause of them failing in the first place. This will increase vibrations in the cabin but it's a fair trade off as the engine will rev better and feel more responsive. I tried to find the video online but couldn't, have seen an engine fitted with upgraded mounts and it's a visible difference even from a distance.
End of the day, stop worrying and do what you want. Your money, spend it how you want. :smiley:
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Ah yes... I believe (could be wrong) that engine mount is the right mount and transmission mount is what we call the left mount. The torque inset (pendulum mount) is as mentioned.
I'm not going to say your dad is wrong, but having modified my car with "fun things", it's easy to see why going down that route is the way so many people go.
Back to the original point of this topic, the upgraded material in the Revo mounts will ensure that movement and energy isn't transferred into the bolts which is the main cause of them failing in the first place. This will increase vibrations in the cabin but it's a fair trade off as the engine will rev better and feel more responsive. I tried to find the video online but couldn't, have seen an engine fitted with upgraded mounts and it's a visible difference even from a distance.
End of the day, stop worrying and do what you want. Your money, spend it how you want. :smiley:
awesome, thanks again man. that's a big help, so pendulum is the first one to get and fit and go from there. wise words as always :smiley:
and yes, i do need to stop worrying what he says, but as the person that will essentially fit this i need him onside... unless it's something i can do myself?!
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If you can get the car up high then you can do it yourself, although I would buy a SuperPro torque insert kit, much cheaper and achieves the exact same result.
Get on YouTube and search "ecs dogbone". ECS Tuning (from America) made a really good how to.
You'll notice more feedback from your gearbox after fitting it up. I can feel when the gears engage when pulling away now, quite strange to get used to.