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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: 2stroke on 13 November 2014, 11:25
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:smiley: As you all know, the MK3 GTI is lowered 20 mm compared to a stock Golf Mk3
...But I do not want to have the car lowered 20 mm
Is it possible to raise the GTI in a simple manner to stock height ?
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Replace it with stock non gti shocks and springs.
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Replace it with stock non gti shocks and springs.
Is this really possible ?
...I am thinking that the GTI has plus chassis and are wider.
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I wouldn't recommend it. What you can do is buy the original springs for the car. Not cheap but you won't notice its' 20mmm lower then stock cars.
Does this look lowered to you? (new VW original springs):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/petta/DSC_1618_zpsada91ce1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/petta/media/DSC_1618_zpsada91ce1.jpg.html)
As you know i "built" my to be strictly OEM (every small part). So this is how they look like. And here is the part.numbers (the rear springs you have to order from Volkskwagen classic parts):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/petta/stoumlt_zps2775d22a.png) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/petta/media/stoumlt_zps2775d22a.png.html)
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Replace it with stock non gti shocks and springs.
Is this really possible ?
...I am thinking that the GTI has plus chassis and are wider.
It is as easy as swapping the parts over from non gti mk3.
As said get non gti shocks and springs and job done.
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Replace it with stock non gti shocks and springs.
Is this really possible ?
...I am thinking that the GTI has plus chassis and are wider.
It is as easy as swapping the parts over from non gti mk3.
As said get non gti shocks and springs and job done.
It's a 16v ABF GTI which are heavier then a normal 8v GTI. It has a Climatronic aswell. Not sure if standard springs works consider that.
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What about van or caddy variant springs.
You might need new top mounts to go with them.
First thread on lifting a gti lol.
Time for 21inch rims with spinners to fill the gap.
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It's a 16v ABF GTI which are heavier then a normal 8v GTI.
It has a Climatronic aswell.
Not sure if standard springs works consider that.
This car is an: ( 1996 ) GTI 2.0 16V with ABF engine.
No Climatronic but it has Thermotronic
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Why would you want to do this out of interest?
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Why would you want to do this out of interest?
Me too.
Make it look worse, handle worse, and pay more for insurance for the priviledge. I'm sure you have your reason, just curious.
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Why would you want to do this out of interest?
Me too.
Make it look worse, handle worse, and pay more for insurance for the priviledge. I'm sure you have your reason, just curious.
Because he lives in Sweden and winter is coming.
Surely can't be that dumb not to realise why he wants to lift his car.
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As posted just use non gti parts
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Why would you want to do this out of interest ?
Make it look worse, handle worse.
I'm sure you have your reason, just curious.
I live high up in the Northern part of SWEDEN where we have real winter for 7 month/year.
No point for me to have a lowered car.
Because he lives in Sweden and winter is coming.
Bulls eye !
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Replace it with stock non GTI shocks and springs.
As said get non GTI shocks and springs and job done.
As posted just use non GTI parts.
Are you sure that the non GTI shocks and springs will fit on the PLUS chassi ?
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As posted just use non GTI parts
Are you sure that the non GTI shocks and springs will fit on the PLUS chassi ?
Well Gti parts will fit a Gl so I cannot see why not
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As posted just use non GTI parts
Are you sure that the non GTI shocks and springs will fit on the PLUS chassi ?
Well Gti parts will fit a Gl so I cannot see why not
There are not just one "universal" spring for everything. There are some option regarding the front springs depending on what options your car has. (and the weight of the engine).
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/petta/springs_zps22d3b035.png) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/petta/media/springs_zps22d3b035.png.html)
On my MK3 Variant -97 i have the same top mounts and springs as i have on my 16v ABF. But that is because the car i quite heavy and have AC. So sure it fits, but you won't gain any height of it.
Using springs for a CL/GL "standard" without AC you won´t gain anything either because the car will sbe to heavy for the springs.
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So you're saying fit gl springs and you won't gain the 20mm because the car is too heavy? :grin: :grin: :grin:
have you done this before? I seriously doubt it!
My mate put gl suspension on his vr6 and it looked like it had a 4x4 lift kit on.
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So you're saying fit gl springs and you won't gain the 20mm because the car is too heavy? :grin: :grin: :grin:
have you done this before? I seriously doubt it!
My mate put gl suspension on his vr6 and it looked like it had a 4x4 lift kit on.
Of course you'll gain the extra 20 mm - at first. When the springs are new and at full strength. But since the springs are to weak for the car over time it will drop.
Look at this, i have proof of it. My car had "GL springs" cos the old man (a 68 year old) who owned the car before me took a shortcut when he changed the springs.
This picture shows it best (after i removed all plastic):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/petta/erewarrtfdgrfg6ythgrhtrytu_zps09520a9f.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/petta/media/erewarrtfdgrfg6ythgrhtrytu_zps09520a9f.jpg.html)
There my friend :) "GL springs over time".
But really i cant care less. its his car, and i say as i said in some other forum (clubgti.com). I honestly dont think the 16v GTI is the car for him to have.
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There are not just one "universal" spring for everything.
There are some option regarding the front springs depending on what options your car has. (and the weight of the engine).
On my MK3 Variant -97 i have the same top mounts and springs as i have on my 16v ABF.
But that is because the car i quite heavy and have AC.
So sure it fits, but you won't gain any height of it.
Using springs for a CL/GL "standard" without AC you won´t gain anything either because the car will be to heavy for the springs.
I am looking to mount BILSTEIN shock absorbers and a well-known aftermarket brand for the springs.
Thought of putting diesel's front suspension springs and Heavy Duty/reinforced rear springs.
This is to maintain approximately the same stiffness of the springs as the original GTI springs.
What do you think about this ?
The car has ThermoTronic ! --> not ClimaTronic.
What is so special with the Top Mounts you talking about above ?
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What is so special with the Top Mounts you talking about above ?
They are different (oh how wierd to explain in english since we both are swedish :D)
On the left you have a CL/GL "standard" suspension. On the right you have the "GTI/Vr6" suspension:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/petta/skillnad_zpsf9539546.png) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/petta/media/skillnad_zpsf9539546.png.html)
The "Clima" vs Thermo" is kinda the same. Found a picture to explain why i keep coming back to that.
On the left you see a heather with non AC and on the right a heather with AC. It weighs approx 100kg. So you have 100kg extra and then the engine that weigh.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z273/paul_ral/aeroterme.jpg) (http://s191.photobucket.com/user/paul_ral/media/aeroterme.jpg.html)
I however think your springs you found are up to it. And thats not the case am trying to tell you. Its the handling. It will be so bad consider all that weight. You wont be able to use your 16v as it was meant to be, cos you will loose friction to the ground.
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So you're saying fit gl springs and you won't gain the 20mm because the car is too heavy? :grin: :grin: :grin:
have you done this before? I seriously doubt it!
My mate put gl suspension on his vr6 and it looked like it had a 4x4 lift kit on.
Of course you'll gain the extra 20 mm - at first. When the springs are new and at full strength. But since the springs are to weak for the car over time it will drop.
Look at this, i have proof of it. My car had "GL springs" cos the old man (a 68 year old) who owned the car before me took a shortcut when he changed the springs.
This picture shows it best (after i removed all plastic):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/petta/erewarrtfdgrfg6ythgrhtrytu_zps09520a9f.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/petta/media/erewarrtfdgrfg6ythgrhtrytu_zps09520a9f.jpg.html)
There my friend :) "GL springs over time".
But really i cant care less. its his car, and i say as i said in some other forum (clubgti.com). I honestly dont think the 16v GTI is the car for him to have.
Thats strange. My mate bought a standard gl, put coilovers on it and standard suspension in the shed. Je had this for a while and then sold on to get a vr6. After a month or so we realised the coilovers that came on the vr6 had leaked out. So he binned them and put the old gl shocks and springs on untill he got a decent set of coilovers. Never sagged down and it looked comical lol. Maybe his was low miles and yours high. As said not a lot of weight difference. Get more of a difference in a fat driver than car weight.
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Thats strange. My mate bought a standard gl, put coilovers on it and standard suspension in the shed. Je had this for a while and then sold on to get a vr6. After a month or so we realised the coilovers that came on the vr6 had leaked out. So he binned them and put the old gl shocks and springs on untill he got a decent set of coilovers. Never sagged down and it looked comical lol. Maybe his was low miles and yours high. As said not a lot of weight difference. Get more of a difference in a fat driver than car weight.
No clue really. And never really thought of it. Only reason i changed was because i wanted to build it OEM again. However i checked the part number for the springs that were on, and they had exact same number to all MK3. The company there for used same spring to all MK3's. only thing they separated was the "92-94" and "95 - 97".
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Well you could fit after market anti roll bars to help but I should imagine that they are no good in the snow as it will be too stiff.
Yes you wont be able to use it as intended, but sounds like a good idea in bad snow conditions.
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Yes you wont be able to use it as intended, but sounds like a good idea in bad snow conditions.
I have to be lucky who lives in the parts of Sweden with less snow. Sure we have (well not this winter, its raining instead - but long time left on winter, officially ends in April here.
I just cant get it out of my head. If you lift it you'll loose traction . So you'll avoid the snow, at a cost of not be able to get the power down in the ground, amking it slippery like you drive on ice.
After have followed him around dozen of forums past couple of weeks his first problem with the car was that it was too easy to steer. (Alll GTI's compare to standard MK3 are easier to steer, at least thats what i've noticed).
So lifting it will case it to be even more easy to steer. It's like "you cant both have the cookie and eat it at the same time"
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Stick some TDI /cabrio springs on it, when I had my 16v I had some on it temporarily and they lifted it....it looked sh!t as well.
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Buy a Syncro.
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Im struggling to see how lifting a car 20mm with same spring rates as gti and aftermarket shocks will loose traction?
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Im struggling to see how lifting a car 20mm with same spring rates as gti and aftermarket shocks will loose traction?
Merde, wish i could explain in Swedish but that would be a waste of time i guess ;)
When you accelerate you car tend to lift, right? (due to the torque). You kinda need the weight as close to the ground as possible due to gravity, otherwise you'll loose traction. I really dont think VW put 20mm lower springs on the GTI "just to be cool".
Can't really explain it in english what i mean.
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I know what you are trying to say mate. Dont think you would be able to put full power down in snow so you won't get weight transfer.
On a dry day I do agree, but we are talking about snow and I hope 2stroke will put the gti springs back in once winter has passed.
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Will make no difference in the long run just means you will clear the road a bit more
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GUYS FFS THE MK3 IS THE PINNACLE OF ENGINEERING!
It needs every tiny bit of traction for it's million horsepower and GTR-embarrassing handling!
You talk as if it's an old heap on which the knackered rear beam bushes will probably take out any extra "grip" the springs will give.
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GUYS FFS THE MK3 IS THE PINNACLE OF ENGINEERING!
It needs every tiny bit of traction for it's million horsepower and GTR-embarrassing handling!
You talk as if it's an old heap on which the knackered rear beam bushes will probably take out any extra "grip" the springs will give.
You obviously aint been in a 8v gti. Enough torque to stop the earth rotating. :grin:
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Ahh, didnt spot you were from Sweden. I see now.
Not sure 20mm on a gti is going to help at all though. The difference will be negligible when thinking about it from a beating the snow perspective.