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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Mr Savage on 02 November 2014, 20:12
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Hey guys,
There's been a lot of talk about the GTI vs the R lately and I thought we should talk about the GTI and R vs it's rivals for a change! Was going to post this in the general section but since it's competition aimed at the MK7 I put it in here.
Just saw the new Honda Civic Type R TV Ad and it got me thinking. Theres a lot of upcoming cars being released. Here are the competitors coming out over the next couple of years! Any of you guys going to be tempted to switch sides? :wink:
Honda Civic Type R - 2015
(http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/campaigns/2014/heist/images/gallery.jpg)
Rumoured to have 290BHP from it's 2 litre 4 cylinder turbo-charged engine and priced at £30,000. This is definitely gunning for the GTI and clipping on the back heels of the R.
Ford Focus RS - 2017
(http://static.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery/public/9/36/ford-focus-rs_1_0.jpg?itok=baI3zaCc)
(http://static.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery/public/9/70//ae-ford-focus-rs-rear.jpg?itok=cJtYFtSW)
Recently it's been claimed that the RS is copying the trend and moving down to a 2L 4 cylinder turbo-charged engine and rumoured to have a minimum of 330BHP with a clever front diff to handle the power it's most certainly got it's sights set firmly on the R. The car's already been spotted on the Nurburgring so chances are it may be released earlier than expected!
Peugeot 308 R - 2016
(http://www2.diariomotor.com/imagenes/2013/08/posts/peugeot-308-r-concept-02-dm-700px.jpg)
Rumoured to be pushing 270BHP from a 1.6 Turbo.
Thoughts?
Oh and I almost forgot the new Audi RS3 to be released soon with a 5 cylinder engine and AWD. It'll definitely be going up against the R.
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Im not into batmobiles so the new competition does not interest me. What does is the R400 & RS3 though.
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The new Civic tickles my fancy a little! :evil: just don't know if i could actually see me driving one?? :undecided:
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Im not into batmobiles so the new competition does not interest me. What does is the R400 & RS3 though.
Yes I forgot to mention the new Audi RS3. That's going to be difficult to beat, much better sound because of the 5 cylinder engine and AWD, very tempting. I'm really hoping the R400 does make it into the UK, I know it's been confirmed for production but seems to good to be true.
Haha, I know exactly what you mean Jimble. It looks stunning in my opinion. The best thing is, it looks just as good in real life as it does on the concept pics :laugh:
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Peugeot has the rcz r already with 270 place i work had a demo and it made 1 of the guys in work think about selling his mk5 pirelli edition :sick:
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I do quite like the look of both the Type R and RS :evil: :evil:. The Peugeot doesn't do anything for me at all. If your comparing rivals for the GTI/R then I don't know if you can include the RS3 and the rumoured R400 as both will be in a different price bracket, i.e. high £30k's
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I do quite like the look of both the Type R and RS :evil: :evil:. The Peugeot doesn't do anything for me at all. If your comparing rivals for the GTI/R then I don't know if you can include the RS3 and the rumoured R400 as both will be in a different price bracket, i.e. high £30k's
True. I'm guessing you'd quite easily be seeing 40K with a spec'd up R400. I'm surprised that Ford are sticking with FWD for the new RS. I think they have a point to prove that you can get bags of power through those front wheels effectively after all. :evil:
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Looks wise, too highly stylised for my liking, no matter what's under the bonnet. Trouble is they'll look dated quite quickly, not an issue if you change cars very frequently. Prefer the understated sleeper looks of the R. These look too much like wannabes even if they're not.
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Type R looks great on the exterior but I think Honda make poor interiors especially with their dials. I wonder what it'd look like.
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I think they look great, and will probably be great drivers cars. But as I'm mid forties now and will be late forties by the time they're released I'd look a bit of a twit driving one! Ok, fair point, and even bigger twit.
Mind you the R400 looks quite lairy and I think they are valid in this equation as you'll probably be able to lease one for £2k down and 50pence a month like you can an R… :laugh:
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Peugeot has the rcz r already with 270 place i work had a demo and it made 1 of the guys in work think about selling his mk5 pirelli edition :sick:
Peugeot RCZ, otherwise known as the "ALDI TT". :whistle:
Not a fan of the Honda's looks (except those wheels).
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I think they look great, and will probably be great drivers cars. But as I'm mid forties now and will be late forties by the time they're released I'd look a bit of a twit driving one! Ok, fair point, and even bigger twit.
Mind you the R400 looks quite lairy and I think they are valid in this equation as you'll probably be able to lease one for £2k down and 50pence a month like you can an R… :laugh:
Agree they'll probably be a blast to drive, but sadly (driver) age is a factor that cannot be ignored, same goes for middle aged men and women driving cabriolets.
And me thinks you protesteth too much about the R, that you secretly covet one :wink:
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Ha ha ha! It's all ironic humour for me Mme Booth, I just see the funny side of it and make no secret of my huge admiration of the R.
If I'd not just moved house I'd likely be searching out a deal on one now myself (subject to seeing if the power delivery suits me as well as a modded GTI would).
I'd not lease one though and as my GTI was bought cash I'd not be able to hunt out a bargain PCP deal so I don't know where I'd actually fit in as a purchaser balancing out depreciation etc.
Who knows what the future holds but for the interim I'm just a little perplexed and find the whole situation of being able to hire one for less than a base model supermini and find it highly amusing.
You never know, I might have a mad moment one day but only if I could get a really sound price on the GTI
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Friend has a 2 year old Civic Type R and cannot fault it really, its a car you definitely would be happy owning and know he loves his and would never turn to anything else.
Personally think the next model Type R model is too much for me personally in looks, more into the wolf in sheeps clothing style.
Exterior styling obviously plays a big part in the choosing but as you spend all your driving time looking at and sitting in the interior then the Ford would be an instant turn off for interior alone unless there is a huge change from what they doing now which doubt.
Peugeot do not even get a look when choosing and this one hardly compels you to change that thinking though my one and only experience in a 306 was probably the worst drive ever experienced so admit to being quite anti before even think about them.
My next car choice is an S3 or R or may seem strangely a Tiguan R
keeping the GTD so going to really test drive the R and S3 to see if my day to day drivng experience is going to be different enough in how personally makes me feel, if not then will let wife have her way and get a Tiguan.
Will also do the normal marguee showroom look around at BMW, Mercedes and cars mentioned here but cannot really see anything that comes in 2016 that will dissuade me from the 3 mentioned.
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I actually quite like the Peugeot styling wise (ignoring paint job), I see a lot of 'normal' 308's around and they're handsome enough in a restrained way, and I hate to admit it but I also think the RCZ is a pretty car. My last experience of a Pug was a 306 GTI-6 which was a cracking car to drive but the friend that owned it didn't keep it long due to quality issues and that goes back to my only Peugeot ownership period which was a 1989 205 GTI 1.9 which I had back in about 1991. It drove really well but was really dodgy in the build quality department. I doubt much has changed.
The Civic just screams Manga or various Playstation street racing games and you'd expect it to be reliable and drive like a playstation game too, and you can't say it doesn't throw off Honda's dowdy image! It would be nice to think some of the excessive bodywork bits shown in the pics were optional extras and that the actual Type-R would be a bit more palatable for us staid Brits.
The Ford just looks like a sporty Ford so will appeal to the type of people that like sporty Fords. The horrible snout aside it looks quite nice but we just know it will be a dogs dinner inside.
And I guess that's the way a lot of people will see it on here, we drive VW's because we don't like 'brash' too much and VW make their cars the way they do because they know their market.
Personally I'm looking forward to the RS3 Audi but I won't be able to afford one, not even close.
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Friend has a 2 year old Civic Type R and cannot fault it really, its a car you definitely would be happy owning and know he loves his and would never turn to anything else.
The most recent one doesn't drive near as well as the old R, as they cut costs aggressively, losing the multilink rear suspension and interior niceties in the process. Civic R has always been the boyracers car of choice once they get cheap enough, lots of old and new trying it on with the GTD as it'd probably be a fair duel (lots of torque vs 17ps advantage. once they get in the 6-7k rev range). The DTUK box really shows them up. As the new R looks to be nigh-on twice the price of the old one , i'll presume it handles a lot better.
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If I was in the market for a train wreck plastic toy with hoon appeal, I'd be after one of the Renault Sport Meganes to be honest.
With all the silly race toys and an uber aggressive styling, it ticks of "those" boxes in my mind and Renault always have the full on race styling compared to the rest (not that its for me - several friends have Renaultsports and they are nasty to live with day to day)
But all of these things are not German badges and German badges are where the klass comes in, sets the chavs apart from the rest ;-)
I'm too old to be a boy racer, I'll take my performance with a side order of wurst and sauerkraut now ;-)
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The most recent one doesn't drive near as well as the old R, as they cut costs aggressively, losing the multilink rear suspension and interior niceties in the process. Civic R has always been the boyracers car of choice once they get cheap enough, lots of old and new trying it on with the GTD as it'd probably be a fair duel (lots of torque vs 17ps advantage. once they get in the 6-7k rev range). The DTUK box really shows them up. As the new R looks to be nigh-on twice the price of the old one , i'll presume it handles a lot better.
Can't argue with what's been said however with the Type R likely to be priced round the £30k mark then i doubt many boy racers will be able to afford the new one. On the other hand the Golf R with these ridiculous lease prices runs the risk of attracting some interesting customers :grin: :grin:
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I actually quite like the Peugeot styling wise (ignoring paint job), I see a lot of 'normal' 308's around and they're handsome enough in a restrained way, and I hate to admit it but I also think the RCZ is a pretty car. My last experience of a Pug was a 306 GTI-6 which was a cracking car to drive but the friend that owned it didn't keep it long due to quality issues and that goes back to my only Peugeot ownership period which was a 1989 205 GTI 1.9 which I had back in about 1991. It drove really well but was really dodgy in the build quality department. I doubt much has changed.
The Civic just screams Manga or various Playstation street racing games and you'd expect it to be reliable and drive like a playstation game too, and you can't say it doesn't throw off Honda's dowdy image! It would be nice to think some of the excessive bodywork bits shown in the pics were optional extras and that the actual Type-R would be a bit more palatable for us staid Brits.
The Ford just looks like a sporty Ford so will appeal to the type of people that like sporty Fords. The horrible snout aside it looks quite nice but we just know it will be a dogs dinner inside.
And I guess that's the way a lot of people will see it on here, we drive VW's because we don't like 'brash' too much and VW make their cars the way they do because they know their market.
Personally I'm looking forward to the RS3 Audi but I won't be able to afford one, not even close.
That's not a Ford, its an Aston Martin :grin:.
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CraigW: Yes there are a few people on the R forum that are chopping in battered and elderly French Superminis with the standard shopping trolley 1.2 engines that are moving into a leased R - that'll be a hell of a step-up for them. The fuelling might come as a shock though. The leasing offers look to be gone now and the lease rates have shot up - I do think VW have allowed the cheap deals to go through to get the R out there in the public's interest. Will be interesting to see if those lease rates see a repeat anytime soon.
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I have owned 4 Civic Type-R's prior to owning my GTI Performance. Type-R's are hard to beat for reliability. I was ecstatic to be owning a Type-R and could find nothing wrong with them while I owned them. However after owning a GTI the quality of the interior in a Type-R although nothing shabby, in comparison to a GTI, the GTI is a league of it's own. The buttons and dials of the Honda's are really quite fisher price and plastic. I felt the Type-R dashboard material etc, in the last model was not as good as the model it superseded.
I do still have a slight temptation for a new Civic Type-R, but since owning the GTI, that is all it will be. The car I am most interested in next will be either a special edition GTI, MK8 GTI / R, or most of all if reaches our shores the R400 (depending if I can save the cash in time). I feel the R400 will be something really special when it eventually becomes reality.
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But now that Honda is turbocharging, will it remain the paragon of reliability?
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Unsure? So far as I believe, this is the first Type-R to be Turbo Charged. They do not have much heritage when it comes to turbo charged performance cars and hot hatches. I am also unsure if it is really a Type-R if it is not naturally aspirated as this is one of the philosphies Type-R follows. I suppose it is a case of 'what is the point of rules if they are not broken'. Anyway getting back to VW, I was a die hard Type-R fan, but I have now grown up and look for something more refined like my GTI and future performance Golfs I may own. :smiley:
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It will be interesting, Honda have been selling turbo diesels for a few years now.
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i have read one of things the new Type-R will have to make it handle the torque steer and go round corners sharper is front & rear wheel steering on a FWD car. I believe they have tried this before. I am told it was on a prelude, but I may be wrong? However if it has almost 300bhp, why don't they just do it like the german manufacturers and give it a 4 wheel drive system like the Golf R or a decent e-diff like the GTI PP? I have a lot of faith Honda will pull it off, but why struggle with FWD when you can just fit a 4WD system to put all the power down on to the road.