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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Golf mk7 GTD/TDI => Topic started by: baser on 28 October 2014, 08:47
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Hi all
First post do be gentle.
I've had the GTD for about 9 months now and I have put 16,000 miles on it so far, just had the oil light come on again and topped her up with her second litre of oil which for me seems like a lot? Our Skoda Fabia 1.6tdi and the Transporter van I have for work don't need topping up from one service to the next.
How much oil is everyone else using?
Thanks
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Not as much as that... but your usage would not be considered abnormal.
From what you've said you're using a litre every 8K miles. I seem to remember Ford dealerships were told that unless a Sierra Cosworth was using more than a litre every 1000 miles then that was fine...
What is your mix of driving?
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Haven't needed to top up between services, I had an oil thirsty MK5 GT TDI. It was ran in on motorway miles and used a litre of oil every 2k miles, that was just about considered acceptable by VW back then.
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Some "modern" engine designs do consume oil by design.
Seems the current GTD lump is one of them.
I used to have a Renault Megane (petrol) that drank oil, about a litre every ~2000 miles. Perfectly normal apparently - but I just assumed that was the French agricultural engine design :D
I'm at 12k on my GTD, not chucked any oil in yet but fully expect to before the 1 year/20k service.
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Some "modern" engine designs do consume oil by design.
Really, why?
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Thanks for the replies everyone, mostly its motorway 70 ish mph, I say ish because a lot of my miles are on mainland Europe so vary from 50 mph on some of the Belgium sections to infinity mph on the German autobahns.
I wont worry to much if its considered normal.
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Most people won't need to top up between services, but most people aren't doing your mileage and are getting their car serviced every 10k miles on the time and distance regime. I wouldn't call your oil use normal, but VW will consider it acceptable.
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If they are designed to use a bit as described above, then it will certainly be "working as designed"...
I don't believe that modern engines are designed like that - in fact modern production methods with lower tolerances and better spec oils should mean lower oil usage but as Monkeyhanger says the level of use you describe will be considered acceptable by VW...
I've had to top mine up once in 17K miles and it wasn't a full litre...
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VAG diesels do seem to use a bit of oil apparently by design as others have said. The Mini we used to have used none at all in almost 3 years. Perhaps it's the fuel contamination from the DPF process thinning the oil and it passing into the combustion process, I think BMW use a chemical process on the mini?
Above all in my experience it would seem granny driving and softly softly in the first few thousand miles on a diesel will give you increased oil usage.
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I ran my gtd in for about 1000 miles and haven't topped up the oil yet so I don't think a hard and fast rule can be applied. All cars are different so some will use oil and some won't.
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VAG diesels do seem to use a bit of oil apparently by design as others have said. The Mini we used to have used none at all in almost 3 years. Perhaps it's the fuel contamination from the DPF process thinning the oil and it passing into the combustion process, I think BMW use a chemical process on the mini?
Above all in my experience it would seem granny driving and softly softly in the first few thousand miles on a diesel will give you increased oil usage.
I'd disagree that use of some oil by design seems to be the norm. I'm on my 7th TDI from new and my Dad is on my 4th. Save for 1 of those 11 cars, we've never had to top up between services.
I'd agree that a very soft run in is probably the most common culprit for "acceptable" oil use. My 1 problem TDI (as far as oil use goes spent it's first 800 miles sat on the motorway doing 75mph in 6th. It used a litre in the first 350 miles after i'd driven it from Burnley (it was picked up from there - broker car) down to Southampton (where my parents now live) and across the ferry to LeHavre where it immediately asked for a top up. When I drove it back up to Newcastle, it needed a top up, and was thirsty for oil (crap mpg too) the whole time I had it.
I'll never run a car in like that again, varied driving around the doors for a month before I do a 100+ mile journey in the next one.
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My GTD as well (13 months old), didn't need any top ups before it's first service back in September. Dipstick still on full. My last CR TDI Scirocco (140ps) didn't either.
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VAG diesels do seem to use a bit of oil apparently by design as others have said. The Mini we used to have used none at all in almost 3 years. Perhaps it's the fuel contamination from the DPF process thinning the oil and it passing into the combustion process, I think BMW use a chemical process on the mini?
Above all in my experience it would seem granny driving and softly softly in the first few thousand miles on a diesel will give you increased oil usage.
I'd disagree that use of some oil by design seems to be the norm. I'm on my 7th TDI from new and my Dad is on my 4th. Save for 1 of those 11 cars, we've never had to top up between services.
I'd agree that a very soft run in is probably the most common culprit for "acceptable" oil use. My 1 problem TDI (as far as oil use goes spent it's first 800 miles sat on the motorway doing 75mph in 6th. It used a litre in the first 350 miles after i'd driven it from Burnley (it was picked up from there - broker car) down to Southampton (where my parents now live) and across the ferry to LeHavre where it immediately asked for a top up. When I drove it back up to Newcastle, it needed a top up, and was thirsty for oil (crap mpg too) the whole time I had it.
I'll never run a car in like that again, varied driving around the doors for a month before I do a 100+ mile journey in the next one.
They wouldn't give you the top up oil if they didn't expect it to be used. You don't get them with petrol cars IME. My Audi handbook states consumption may be higher in the first 5000km. They know they use oil, give you something to temper the initial high usage then you're on your own. Granny it at your peril :grin:
Given your posts on here you seem to drive similarly to me - our GTD hasn't used any so far as it was given the firm but fair "run in" :) My own A4 was terrible when I got it with 20k on the clock as it had been driven lazily. Once I'd broken it in properly the consumption has dropped to nothing at 70k, I don't need to top up between services. Similar to your experience with the early motorway driving on previous cars.
As with everything your mileage may vary. All engines are different.
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Hi all
First post do be gentle.
I've had the GTD for about 9 months now and I have put 16,000 miles on it so far, just had the oil light come on again and topped her up with her second litre of oil which for me seems like a lot? Our Skoda Fabia 1.6tdi and the Transporter van I have for work don't need topping up from one service to the next.
How much oil is everyone else using?
Thanks
It could be worse. I have had to top up at approx 8,000 miles and again at approx 16,000 miles. I did about 20,000 miles in 10 months of ownership. It will be interesting to see how far the 'long life' oil I got on my 20k service will last me.
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They wouldn't give you the top up oil if they didn't expect it to be used. You don't get them with petrol cars IME. My Audi handbook states consumption may be higher in the first 5000km. They know they use oil, give you something to temper the initial high usage then you're on your own. Granny it at your peril :grin:
Given your posts on here you seem to drive similarly to me - our GTD hasn't used any so far as it was given the firm but fair "run in" :) My own A4 was terrible when I got it with 20k on the clock as it had been driven lazily. Once I'd broken it in properly the consumption has dropped to nothing at 70k, I don't need to top up between services. Similar to your experience with the early motorway driving on previous cars.
As with everything your mileage may vary. All engines are different.
"Free" oil isn't given as standard, some dealerships give it away, some don't just as some give a bunch of flowers away and stick a VW Umbrella in the boot (and some won't even give you 2 keyrings, one for each key). I've even had the same dealership give it for 1 car and not for the next (I drove a harder bargain on the second one, maybe that had something to do with it?).
Firm but fair is the way to go. Plenty of variety, don't be afraid to give it 2/3 throttle and get it up to 3500rpm when it is warm (within the first 1000 miles).
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"Free" oil isn't given as standard, some dealerships give it away, some don't just as some give a bunch of flowers away and stick a VW Umbrella in the boot (and some won't even give you 2 keyrings, one for each key). I've even had the same dealership give it for 1 car and not for the next (I drove a harder bargain on the second one, maybe that had something to do with it?).
Firm but fair is the way to go. Plenty of variety, don't be afraid to give it 2/3 throttle and get it up to 3500rpm when it is warm (within the first 1000 miles).
Interesting, our VW dealer said something that implied it was always supplied with the car. It's in a small zip up pouch and I'm sure it was present in the car off the transporter (we had a nose round before it was PDI'd). Maybe some dealers remove it? I can't check the labels on anything as the car isn't here.
We certainly didn't get given the MDI cable the car came with...ours is USB so not a big deal.
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Phazer: The harder bargain I drive, the fewer freebies I seem to get with each new car.