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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: GTI-J on 11 September 2014, 22:58
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Does anybody who's owned a Mk5 or 6 GTI find the EA888 gen 3 engine runs 5-12 degrees hotter?
Really hope it's not just mine!!
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It's not just you mate, my mk7 GTI and now the R both run around 105-110 degrees whereas my mk6 GTI would rarely exceed 100 degrees.
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Ya mine runs at 104 to 109 degrees when fully warm! Have yet to see 110 tho!!
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Ya mine runs at 104 to 109 degrees when fully warm! Have yet to see 110 tho!!
Not tryin hard enough!! :lipsrsealed:
I don't think i have either tbh.....
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they certainly seem to run hotter on the dyno, that may change as the mileage increases though.
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There is a similar topic on the GTD section regarding oil temp.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=270079.0
The highest I've seen mine was 110 C.
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The most I have experienced was 116 on a steep uphill of about 2 miles. The average is between 105 - 111. My dealer specified that up to 120 degrees is safe, so I assume it's fine.
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I have also had 116 degrees, but the water temperature was rock solid at 90 degrees - spirited driving does see the temp rise to over 100 degrees, but has never given me cause for concern.
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Thanks all, you've put my mind at ease - at one point got to 112 degrees on the way to Devon this evening
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My mk5 Ed30 used to sit at 89-92 oil temp.
Don't believe the water temp gauge. Vw have them programmed to show 90 degrees when the temperature is actually in the 75-105 range (rough figures). They have been doing this for years. There was a mod you could do with the EEPROM in mk4 clocks to make them display the actual temp.
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I don't see it mentioned, is this oil temp. you're referring to? If so it should be 10-15 degrees above water temp.
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With an APR map it's running at about 100-105 :smiley:
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With an APR map it's running at about 100-105 :smiley:
Is that lower than you had before the remap?
I suppose that oil life is reduced if it heats up to higher temps? Might explain why my dealer suggested I change oil more often
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With an APR map it's running at about 100-105 :smiley:
Is that lower than you had before the remap?
I suppose that oil life is reduced if it heats up to higher temps? Might explain why my dealer suggested I change oil more often
Yeah it goes down with the remap for some reason...
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My mk6 sits at 99-102 all day so is about the same as discussed here for the mk7
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This is interesting as I was just about to post a thread up on oil temperature .... When I read this.
In normal running - mine never seems to be lower than 103 degrees (once warmed up) and will often sit at 106 to 108 degrees in traffic. A fast cross country run will see it go over 110 degrees quite quickly and I've seen 116 degrees on a few runs. In fact the only time it runs cool at speed is on the motorway at a steady cruise.
Now I'm fortunate enough to have a current model Boxster S for comparison and this lives at 90 to 95 degrees under the same driving and even on track I couldn't get it to go over 107 degrees. This leads me to believe that the airflow (or cooling from the fans) isn't up to the job, so my question is whether the GTi has an oil cooler and whether this is easy to upgrade? :shocked:
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If the water is sitting happily at 90c then you've almost certainly got nowt to worry about, the car doesn't mind the oil being this hot. Newer cars with modern oils. I've got the car's oil up to 116c before.
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This is interesting as I was just about to post a thread up on oil temperature .... When I read this.
In normal running - mine never seems to be lower than 103 degrees (once warmed up) and will often sit at 106 to 108 degrees in traffic. A fast cross country run will see it go over 110 degrees quite quickly and I've seen 116 degrees on a few runs. In fact the only time it runs cool at speed is on the motorway at a steady cruise.
Now I'm fortunate enough to have a current model Boxster S for comparison and this lives at 90 to 95 degrees under the same driving and even on track I couldn't get it to go over 107 degrees. This leads me to believe that the airflow (or cooling from the fans) isn't up to the job, so my question is whether the GTi has an oil cooler and whether this is easy to upgrade? :shocked:
Is that water? cause i can't remember seeing a oil temp gauge in the 987 (unless its not a 987).
Cars like to run oil temps hot these days as it helps to burn off containments in the oil apparently. Fuel from diesel regens, or rich fuel mixture in petrols cars on stop start driving in town, these cars like to burn this off to produce oil longevity so it vapours off out of the oil. Also the water temp gauges are set with a considerable buffer so customers don't worry. Once your car is up to temp the gauge will NEVER vary no matter if its in town or track or cruising at 56mph. This is so customers don't worry, so a massive tolerance is built in to the gauge.
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The higher temps are to reduce internal engine friction on the EA888 ph3...The ecu can adjust both the water and oil temp depending on engine load and enables rapid warmup. For example the water temp is kept at 107 degrees then when low engine loads are demanded this is reduced to 85 degrees as engine load increases. Oil temp is also altered according to engine load....
I suspect APR may have "played" with the ECU control of both oil and water temperature profiles as the coolant temp is used to reduce knock in the engine.
VW/Audi claim this tight control of the water/oil system has reduced emissions by 2.5g co2/km
Ken
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This is interesting as I was just about to post a thread up on oil temperature .... When I read this.
In normal running - mine never seems to be lower than 103 degrees (once warmed up) and will often sit at 106 to 108 degrees in traffic. A fast cross country run will see it go over 110 degrees quite quickly and I've seen 116 degrees on a few runs. In fact the only time it runs cool at speed is on the motorway at a steady cruise.
Now I'm fortunate enough to have a current model Boxster S for comparison and this lives at 90 to 95 degrees under the same driving and even on track I couldn't get it to go over 107 degrees. This leads me to believe that the airflow (or cooling from the fans) isn't up to the job, so my question is whether the GTi has an oil cooler and whether this is easy to upgrade? :shocked:
Is that water? cause i can't remember seeing a oil temp gauge in the 987 (unless its not a 987).
Cars like to run oil temps hot these days as it helps to burn off containments in the oil apparently. Fuel from diesel regens, or rich fuel mixture in petrols cars on stop start driving in town, these cars like to burn this off to produce oil longevity so it vapours off out of the oil. Also the water temp gauges are set with a considerable buffer so customers don't worry. Once your car is up to temp the gauge will NEVER vary no matter if its in town or track or cruising at 56mph. This is so customers don't worry, so a massive tolerance is built in to the gauge.
Hi Jackie - no it's a 981 and only 911's had oil temp / pressure gauges until this model of Boxster.
What you, kenny.c and Monkeyhanger have said does make sense and I understand the water temp bit - it's just that I get uneasy seeing oil temps this high. Still it probably explains why the GTi has the sootiest exhaust pipes of any car I've ever owned .....
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"Still it probably explains why the GTi has the sootiest exhaust pipes of any car I've ever owned ..... "
REALLY...?? Ours is very clean....??
Compared to our 2.0 TSI Scirocco a EA888 - ph2 engine this ph3 engine seems to run much cleaner..... very little soot build up on the exhaust tips.
Ken
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There's no oil temp gauge on the M135i which is a pity.
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"Still it probably explains why the GTi has the sootiest exhaust pipes of any car I've ever owned ..... "
REALLY...?? Ours is very clean....??
Compared to our 2.0 TSI Scirocco a EA888 - ph2 engine this ph3 engine seems to run much cleaner..... very little soot build up on the exhaust tips.
Ken
Oh god yes - probably my driving - but I've had to go out and find a new metal polish (or two) to keep them from staining! I left them for a month when I first got the car and it took 3 applications of Meguiars NXT Metal Polish (and 45 mins) to get them clean. Now I have a Zymol metal polish and GTechniq metal cleaners to stop the stoot staining! :(
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HMM....Im curious what other people are finding with their tails pipes? Ill maybe start another thread on this....I find it very odd your is so bad but ours is very clean??
Ken
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Mine get dirty after about a 4-5 days but only on the lower lip. I think it's due to the condensation on the pipes that give the impression that water pours out of the exhaust. They can easily be cleaned anyway just with a simple wipe. I am sealing them and apply wax after every wash though so the soot doesn't stick to the exhaust tips.
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Mine stay clean as a whistle which is one of the reasons I love the mk7 - the pipes on the mk5&6 were a pain in the backside to keep clean.