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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Waspy on 01 September 2014, 10:16
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Sigh.
Hard to tell, but I think it dumped fuel all over the exhaust.
Time for the real project to begin.
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Oh dear
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Oh dear indeed.
Time to take stock of all the damaged things and see if I can get it back the way it was before MOT in a month, with 1 weekend dedicated to a wedding!
Also since my excess is 500 (but not claiming) that's my budget.
Game on.
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:shocked: extinguisher did the job though , good luck
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:cry:
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On this topic, the fire brigade (a passer by called them, it was out when they arrived) took my numberplate and name. Am I going to have to tell the insurance, even when not making a claim, and if so, what impact will it have?
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Got a chance to have a look over the bay tonight, and tbh i am amazed at how much survived! It wouldn't take much to actually make it run (on initial inspection). Passing an MOT will be a different matter.
Working right to left, things to be replaced/get working are:
1. Bonnet release cable - It isnt broken/snapped but it doesnt work. The clips have melted so it has no tension. So need clips.
2. Driver headlight wiring - It is charred at the engine end, and at the light end it is in a right state. The light enclosure has melted onto the wiring. So new enclosure needed and wiring fettled.
3. Air filter - It had a cone on it, which is charred, but the rest (bar the wiring looks fine) so just a new cone.
4. MAF wiring - as above
5. Fuel line to rail - Pretty sure this was the cause of the fire, there was a 12 inch stretch burnt at both ends which i plucked from the bay, but I cant see where it goes/went. Can anyone recommend some fuel lines? and how does the line actual connect to the rail?
6. Idle Switch - Will be Donald Duck'ed, it was right in the line of fire (pun intended). New TB?
7. Timing Belt, tensioner and cover - The cover melted itself to the belt etc, the belt actually looks fine, but i would never risk it. And since I have a new belt and tensioner knocking around its no biggy. Just a new cover to buy.
8. Speedo cable - This needed doing anyway, it has minor damage from the fire
9. ISV Pipe - Melted at the intake end, so need a new pipe
10. Oil cap - Simple, melted
11. Dipstick - Melted
12. Rad "flaps" - The flaps that go on the rad enclosure have melted, need new ones
13. Wiring - Lots of wiring as gone. Notably, the wiring from the the fuel intake, the temp sensors, and the earths to both the rocker cover and block. Sensors on the right hand side of the intake manifold are shot too.
14. Bonnet paint - Is all blistered, so needs repairing.
15. Grille! - Is very melted....
And that's the lot! Any advise and comments welcome, ill get some pics up soon. Anything else I might of missed which is fire sensitive... haha?
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Would be nice if you could find a localish car being broken and go and raid the lot. Or a decent scrappy.
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Would be nice if you could find a localish car being broken and go and raid the lot. Or a decent scrappy.
That's what I was hoping for, but I can't find any locally, and my scrapers don't have the widest choice... So a mk2 is unlikely
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You're 90-spec so later cars with a similar motor may yield a lot of what you need, although engine loom might be quite specific because the PB is MKII (and possibly Passats of that era) specific.
You may need to replace the pipes back to the fuel pump, which is under the car.
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Ohh no. You have been very lucky mate.
A common problem with the fuel lines. Get them checked people.
edit: just ordered a 2kg extinguisher
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Ohh no. You have been very lucky mate.
A common problem with the fuel lines. Get them checked people.
edit: just ordered a 2kg extinguisher
You don't have to tell me how lucky I was. I am over the moon it's not a write off.
I took my extinguishers out because they rattled. Jesus, they are bloody gong back in.
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Right lads. Fuel lines. Got under the car to check everything at the pump end before I go changing things and everything looks okay. The rubber hoses look newish, and tbh, the nylon hoses dont look 23 either. So I guess its been replaces at some point over the years.
At the bay end, the nylon lines, both supply and return were melted, and the rubber ones have perished too. I have bought some braided hoses to replace the perished rubber, but my question lies with how to connect these to the nylon hoses.
So:
PUMP ------------- > ~~~~~> FUEL RAIL
--- = Nylon
> = Connection
~~~ = Rubber/Braided
The rail end will be a jubilee, right? But how do I connect the nylon to the rubber correctly? Pre-fire it was just a jubliee clip, but that looks dodgey, and does not sit well with me.
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Is it a copper insert? It goes in both ends of the pipe and allows you clamp onto that instead.
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Is it a copper insert? It goes in both ends of the pipe and allows you clamp onto that instead.
I couldn't see a copper insert... It looked like they had pushed the nylon into the rubber and clamped. But a copper insert may have been lost in the fire.
Anyone know the internal diameter of the nylon hose?
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Right. Did plent of reading today and think I have a bit of a plan. Starting at fuel rail end.
1. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AN-6-6AN-JIC-AN-06-Quick-Connect-5-16-Female-Fuel-Line-Rail-Adapter-BLACK-/170764095506?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27c2555012#ht_750wt_1037 - This should connect onto the fuel rail barb.
2. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AN-6-AN6-90-Degree-FastFlow-StealthBlack-Hose-Fitting-/170852484316?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27c79a04dc#ht_1885wt_1037 - This screws onto connection number 1, and the other end compresses onto braided hose. The 90 degree angle will be pointed towards the bulkhead. Its purpose as a bend serves only to stop the need for bending of hose.
3. Braided hose.
4. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AN-6-AN6-STRAIGHT-Swivel-Seal-BLACK-Hose-Fitting-/150819217868?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item231d86a1cc#ht_1143wt_1037 - Again, compression fitting onto other end of braided hose.
5. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AN-6-AN6-Male-To-7-8mm-Hose-Barbed-Fitting-in-Black-/150904470897?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item23229b7d71#ht_729wt_1037 - Screws into 4, and then pushes into (firmly) the Nylon lines which run back to the pump. I am not sure yet on the size of the nylon hoses, so I may need a smaller barb.
6. Nylon hose.
I want to avoid any clamp type fitting as im pretty sure thats what failed last time. Thoughts? This will be repeated on the return line, providing everything in the return line is the same size.
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I would never be without my fire extinguisher. just imagine sitting on the crash barrier watching your pride and joy going up in flames :cry: all that time and money reduced to ashes when a £20 fire extinguisher could have saved it. doesn't bear thinking about :undecided:
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Checking your fuel lines is cheaper than a fire extinguisher
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You can check your fuel lines all you like, that won't stop an electrical fire ;)
Also, anyone considering a fire extinguisher, but 2 2kg ones. The guy who put mine out used a 4kg one (and a second person also with a 4kg used his, but I think that was overkill) but 2kgs wouldn't have been enough, and mine was a smallish fire.
Anyway, back to my set up haha, any inputs before I put down 60 quid on connectors?
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just seen this glad you're okay matey! Could have been much worse and seen a lot worse aswell!
Not nice that melted car smell will haunt you for awhile!
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just seen this glad you're okay matey! Could have been much worse and seen a lot worse aswell!
Not nice that melted car smell will haunt you for awhile!
Thanks pal, luckily the inside doesn't have any nasty smell or anything.
So, progress is good!
Timing belt is done (I hope correctly)
Fuel lines are in. What a fecking job that was
About a million metres if new vac hose of varying size are in.
Soooo much new wiring is soldered in.
I've had 2 weekends on it so far. With any luck I will be able to turn the key next weekend!
Next weekends jobs are:
Fit a new injector wiring harness.
Wire in a few 2 pin connectors.
Fit the supper cheap air filter I have as a stand in.
The odd hose/wire to re-connect.
Turn the key and hope for the best!
I'll be putting a few pics up on my project thread at some point
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Well done fella.
Since you started this thread I've had a serious fuel leak at the junction where the feed hose goes onto the rail. Luckily I'd started the car and then faffed around a bit loading stuff in the boot, and noticed the petrol smell as I was getting in to drive off. Could've been the same scenario a couple of miles down the road if I hadn't been hyper-aware because of this thread.
Do you have the injector wiring harness you need? I have a feeling I might have a spare.
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Well done fella.
Since you started this thread I've had a serious fuel leak at the junction where the feed hose goes onto the rail. Luckily I'd started the car and then faffed around a bit loading stuff in the boot, and noticed the petrol smell as I was getting in to drive off. Could've been the same scenario a couple of miles down the road if I hadn't been hyper-aware because of this thread.
Do you have the injector wiring harness you need? I have a feeling I might have a spare.
Good job you noticed it! I'd be looking to renew that hose if I was you, must be leaking for a reason? Beginning to perish?
I bought the harness I need on fleabay for what seemed like an alright price, should be here in time for next weeks fun. Thanks though!
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Well done fella.
Since you started this thread I've had a serious fuel leak at the junction where the feed hose goes onto the rail. Luckily I'd started the car and then faffed around a bit loading stuff in the boot, and noticed the petrol smell as I was getting in to drive off. Could've been the same scenario a couple of miles down the road if I hadn't been hyper-aware because of this thread.
Do you have the injector wiring harness you need? I have a feeling I might have a spare.
Good job you noticed it! I'd be looking to renew that hose if I was you, must be leaking for a reason? Beginning to perish?
I bought the harness I need on fleabay for what seemed like an alright price, should be here in time for next weeks fun. Thanks though!
Yeah fair comment. I have replaced both feed and return rubber hoses, and wouldn't have dared start it again until I'd done so.
I think the mistake I made was expecting the hoses to seal properly again after they were disconnected from the fuel rail/pressure regulator during a head replacement a little while back. I guess we take rubber for granted a bit too much when it's not easily visible. The sheer age (23 years in this case), coupled with the temperatures they must see regularly, are a reason to replace original hoses at any disturbance, I reckon, with 20:20 hindsight. :rolleyes:
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I completely agree. And tbh I think I was the same for me because the hose had been off a few months prior, just a shame I didn't spit the hoses were shot.
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holy smokes never heard of a mk2 catching fire, has it done anything else strange... meaning tried to kill you before this?
back in the day my nova gte tried a few times.... glad you came out ok it could of blown up.
scary times dude :shocked:
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holy smokes never heard of a mk2 catching fire, has it done anything else strange... meaning tried to kill you before this?
back in the day my nova gte tried a few times.... glad you came out ok it could of blown up.
scary times dude :shocked:
It heavily leaked brake fluid for quite a while, but the brakes never failed. Other than that no haha.
It was unlikely to blow up tbh. I killed the engine pretty quick, so the fire wasnt fueled for long. In the end it was just fueled by rubber/plastic hoses and wiring. As has been mentioned, 23 year old rubber is not an ideal vessle for a highly flammable liquid.
People, if you disturb the supply/return rubber lines AT ALL, replace them. It is a £10 job.
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I disturbed mine twice during different conversions. Leaving life on the edge.
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I disturbed mine twice during different conversions. Leaving life on the edge.
Based on that crash test, a fire is the least of our worries anyway.
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Electrics are all wired in and tested (well non-engine related ones). Only issue so far is one of the driver lights isn't working. Investigations to take place tomorrow.
I have temp and oil warning lights flashing at me. Can't see a reason for them to flash, but will investigate.
Engine turns over by hand okay, hopefully the same can be said when I turn the key!
Not quite as far as I wanted to be today. But getting there!
Time for a brew.
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Good progress today!
Everything connected up and turned the key. It ran rough for a couple of mins, I blipped the throttle and it died.
Had another look with just the electrics on and could see smoke/fuel vapour coming from the air intake duct. Switched off and investigated. As it happens, fuel is being forced through the vac line between the regulator and the TB! This is either a cause, or effect of the fire. But troubling. So my conclusion is that my pressure regulator is dead.
Can you buy new regulators, part number? Any other thoughts on the matter?
A bit gutted as I would have liked to drive it back too leeds today, but rather still be here that on fire on the A19.
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:cry:
I guess the diaphragm inside it got burnt up via heat conduction through the metal casing during the fire. (Edit: or by direct contact with burning fuel inside the case!)
Not available at VW any more, but ECP do one: http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Volkswagen_Golf_1.8_1991/p/car-parts/engine-parts/fuel-and-engine-management/engine-management-switches/?440440070&1&a9ee5e59b78eff2b8147b7183af163965fbad100&000477
Not cheap I'm afraid. :sad:
I replaced mine a couple of weekends back, while doing the fuel hoses. Not sure the old one had any problem, but I already had a new one so I fitted it.
I guess if I suck/blow into the vac hose port and it doesn't come out anywhere else, it might be better than the one you've got; wanna buy it off me for cheap (if it passes the above check)?
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Cheers for the link! Some parts are so easy to find on the Mk2, others are just a pain.
I would consider buying yours if it is sound! I don't mind spending 70 quid for a new part as I know it won't burst into flames. But if it's a part that generally doesn't fail or wear out (unless in a fire) then I do t mind using a used part.
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Right, I just grabbed it out of the garage, and the diaphragm does hold vacuum. Do you want to PM an offer and a delivery address to me?
The o-ring seems to have gone missing from where it plugged into the end of the fuel rail, but I would have suggested replacing that anyway.
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100 flawless miles tonight!
Big shoutout to Santiago for getting a regulator to me so quick. Worked a treat. Although this weekend wasn't all smiles and laughter.
So I was only able to work on the car one day this weekend (today). Started with the regulator fitted and turned the key. Didn't fire. And so the diagnostics began. But basically there was no spark to the plugs due to seriously corroded dizzy contacts (corrected due to the trust fireman's hose I would imagine). Ran down to my local independant car parts place and amazingly, they had one in stock! Went back, got it fitted and woop, it started. Now for some test drives.
Test 1: Super short, less than a mile. Drives okay. More worryingly, no brakes! Or very little anyway... Popped the good and rechecked the servo vac lines. Hidden away was a big old melted hole I had missed first time! Cut out the section and replaced with some leftover hose I had from the rest of the servo vac lines and tested the brakes. They worked.
Test 2: Couple of miles, no faster than 40. All good. Gets hot quick. But doesn't go more that half way.
Test 3: Longer blast on some fast roads. Smiles all round. I have missed you old friend.
100 miles back to Leeds: perfect couldn't fault it. Until I stepped out and noticed I was missing a rear bumper :angry: who knows where that is. FFS.
MOT booked for this Saturday. Let's see.