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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: matchboy on 10 August 2014, 19:18
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Can I post about R stuff in here? Please delete James if I can't!
I've tried a search and not finding a definitive answer (some say weight even though they are seeming less than 2kg heavier, some say that incident whereby the wheel cracked, some say something to do with the tax band here in the UK) - so, does anyone know:
A. Why aren't the 19" Cadiz wheels for the R an option in the UK when they are everywhere else eg. Ireland, Germany etc, and
B. Has anyone/does anyone know if you can get your dealer to get them fitted if you ordered a new R eg. you specced the 19" Pretoria's and then the dealer ordered and swapped them for the 19" Cadiz.
Reason being, I prefer the Cadiz but I like them in the 19's.
Thanks in advance :smiley:
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Order one with standard alloys, buy these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-new-OEM-VW-Golf-7-R-300PS-19-wheels-with-new-tyres-GTI-GTD-/121406407777?pt=UK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Rims_Car_Wheels_ET&hash=item1c4462c461
and then sell 18" originals for probably at least £1000 and you will have spent less than ordering factory 19's.
Job done! :cool:
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Order one with standard alloys, buy these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-new-OEM-VW-Golf-7-R-300PS-19-wheels-with-new-tyres-GTI-GTD-/121406407777?pt=UK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Rims_Car_Wheels_ET&hash=item1c4462c461
and then sell 18" originals for probably at least £1000 and you will have spent less than ordering factory 19's.
Job done! :cool:
Anyone after those alloys, I would suggest they view them before buying. I have and they are not "brand new and in perfect condition", as described. They are nearly new (not brand new) and the inner edges of the alloys are chipped, probably from careless storage. They are not bad, but they are definitely not in perfect condition, so if you can accept that, fair enough. I couldn't because I went to buy them expecting them to be perfect, as described, and they were not.
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I'd like to see an R with santiagos.Best looking wheels VW do by far.
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Thanks for the advice chaps :smiley:
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On the availability of the 19's in the UK, I'd say it's purely a marketing decision by VW UK. Maybe they didn't want 2 19" options on the price list? Same applies for the alancantara interior option. There's no other obvious reason for it. VW UK seem very unwilling to accommodate people who want specific options. VW Ireland got me a few options that weren't in the Irish list eg: winter pack, dynamic light assist.
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I don't how successful someone would be but years ago a mate of mine bought a GTi but wanted the r32 wheels and vw uk sorted it for him and he just paid a small upgrade but then that was when the mk5 came out, so a long time ago.
Perhaps they would do it at factory level but you'd have to have a dealer that was willing to go the extra mile too.
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Apparently there is no 19" Cadiz option in the GB because the weight of them takes the car into the next emissions band. In Germany, for example, they have both styles of 19s as an option to the 18s.
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Apparently there is no 19" Cadiz option in the GB because the weight of them takes the car into the next emissions band. In Germany, for example, they have both styles of 19s as an option to the 18s.
Rubbish. We pay car registration tax based on the co2 emissions of the car and there is no mention of an emission change on any brochure or even on the configurator.
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Apparently there is no 19" Cadiz option in the GB because the weight of them takes the car into the next emissions band. In Germany, for example, they have both styles of 19s as an option to the 18s.
Rubbish. We pay car registration tax based on the co2 emissions of the car and there is no mention of an emission change on any brochure or even on the configurator.
I don't understand your post and maybe I didn't make myself clear in mine, so I'll try again. As I understand it 19" Cadiz are not an option in GB because the extra weight of the car caused by the heavier wheels, results in the car having higher emissions, meaning the car falls into the next tax bracket. 19" Pretorias are lighter so the car manages to stay in the same band as a car on 18s. Or all of that could be rubbish and it's just that VW don't provide the 19" Cadiz option to GB customers because they choose not to.
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I'd take a stab at it having nothing to do with co2 levels and just VW limiting the options for some bizarre reason.
The R is currently a band G which is £180 a year. Even if the wheels took it up to the next tax band it would only be an extra £25 a year in tax!
Surely that would be up to the customer to decide if they could afford that £25 a year!!
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Apparently there is no 19" Cadiz option in the GB because the weight of them takes the car into the next emissions band. In Germany, for example, they have both styles of 19s as an option to the 18s.
Rubbish. We pay car registration tax based on the co2 emissions of the car and there is no mention of an emission change on any brochure or even on the configurator.
I don't understand your post and maybe I didn't make myself clear in mine, so I'll try again. As I understand it 19" Cadiz are not an option in GB because the extra weight of the car caused by the heavier wheels, results in the car having higher emissions, meaning the car falls into the next tax bracket. 19" Pretorias are lighter so the car manages to stay in the same band as a car on 18s. Or all of that could be rubbish and it's just that VW don't provide the 19" Cadiz option to GB customers because they choose not to.
I reckon the kerb weight theory is plausible - look at the GTD with DSG, in 3 door version it sits on a £30 a year tax band, in 5 door you pay the next band up. Or maybe there are certain physical weight limits that we in the UK reach with that set of 19"ers, but countries with far less spec will not (i'm talking about safe weight limits for the wheels, not tax issues here).
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Apparently there is no 19" Cadiz option in the GB because the weight of them takes the car into the next emissions band. In Germany, for example, they have both styles of 19s as an option to the 18s.
Rubbish. We pay car registration tax based on the co2 emissions of the car and there is no mention of an emission change on any brochure or even on the configurator.
I don't understand your post and maybe I didn't make myself clear in mine, so I'll try again. As I understand it 19" Cadiz are not an option in GB because the extra weight of the car caused by the heavier wheels, results in the car having higher emissions, meaning the car falls into the next tax bracket. 19" Pretorias are lighter so the car manages to stay in the same band as a car on 18s. Or all of that could be rubbish and it's just that VW don't provide the 19" Cadiz option to GB customers because they choose not to.
Sorry Trev, I'll try to explain better:
I dont believe the wheel weight theory to be true. My reasoning is that there is no change in claimed emissions on Golf R's in Ireland due to different wheel choices. The emissions level is crucial as the tax on new cars here is based on the CO2 emissions. So if there was any change in emissions due to wheels, it would absolutely have to be declared here, and there is no mention of it on any brochures or the online configurator.
For the actual reason for not offering the wheels...I dont know. VW UK do some strange things with options: Why didnt they offer the alancantara interior? There's cerctainly no weight penalty there as the full leather option is available... But then you guys get a huge standard spec.
EDIT: I have just thought of something else: What mass would the sunroof add to a car? I'd say 15kg is a conservative estimate, which is far more than a set of wheels would ad. There is no emission change in the sunroof case.
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EDIT: I have just thought of something else: What mass would the sunroof add to a car? I'd say 15kg is a conservative estimate, which is far more than a set of wheels would ad. There is no emission change in the sunroof case.
That's another debate :grin: as you can't choose 19" wheels and sunroof on the GTI in the UK. Some folk were saying when the configurator first got updated that again was because of the weight / co2 emissions. But you can choose the 19" and Sunroof on the R!!!
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Apparently there is no 19" Cadiz option in the GB because the weight of them takes the car into the next emissions band. In Germany, for example, they have both styles of 19s as an option to the 18s.
Rubbish. We pay car registration tax based on the co2 emissions of the car and there is no mention of an emission change on any brochure or even on the configurator.
Wheel options are very much affecting the tax band for new cars. Go take a look at the banding information on, say, the Merc C class diesels. The C250 for example has a different road tax rate for the 17 inch rear wheel over the 18. The 17 being £15 a year cheaper.