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General => General discussion => Topic started by: clipperjay on 17 July 2014, 16:25
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Need some one with technical architectural knowledge :smiley:
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Any more detail ? what you after knowing ?
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Just a rough idea of how to maximise space for three bedrooms on one floor 700 sq-feet area with en suites to each bedroom.
I had an idea to infringe upon living room space to expand bedroom area thinking three bedrooms would be roughly 12ft x 12ft bathroom not sure how small I can get away with as they would be wet rooms without baths just shower enclosures a toilet and basin?
The rest of the living space would be a narrow corridor leading to a veranda and lift or stairs?
TBF I have no idea how to translate to a drawing?
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Yeah I roughly get what you mean, wet rooms like that can be made surprisingly small and not feel too cramped. best bet is put up a diagram of the overall dimensions and shape etc just the outline if you know what I mean
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I can take a picture of the kids drawing of the floor but its real bad LOL!
My issues is light originally I wanted the bathrooms at the back of the bedrooms, but cant due to light not getting into the middle room.
I'll post up a rough piccy of what I had in mind are you in the business clancy?
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ever thought about 2 rooms sharing an ensuite?? iv worked on a few houses like that and it works suprisingly well
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ever thought about 2 rooms sharing an ensuite?? iv worked on a few houses like that and it works surprisingly well
I would, but this is for business rather than domestic purposes, good idea though. any structural changes I make internally at some point will be converted back to a stock living space, but on a new build I'm considering will be for individual bedroom space, plus that's just the middle floor the top floor will have a similar design with flat tiled roof top access.
This ideal for two bedrooms as the first room will have a bit more space!
(http://cdn.homedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Small-Bathroom-Ideas-Pictures13.jpg)
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Yeah post up a rough floor plan and ill see if I have any good ideas for you. sharing an en suite as said is a great idea if it will work in your situation
you said about light not getting to one area, depending on the building or layout you could use light tunnels to the roof, cheap and very effective
is this a renovation to rent/sell or your own house ?
yeah I've been doing this for years, dad owns a construction company and im studying as a civil engineer at the minute so hopefully can help you a bit
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Cool Clancy here is a picture of the build not that long but this was domestic a living room space the kitchen and bathroom are located on either side. As this will be basically a floor with just bedrooms I can leave kitchen off and use it for bedroom space. In one of the pictures the bathroom is at the front on the entrance and the bedroom is near the back where the window gives good light TBF the bathroom can be in the dark as its not uncommon for just a light to be turned on? I'll do my best with the drawing but it will look rough mate! :grin:
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa51/Clipperjay/HK%20rooms/Hongkonghostel.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/Clipperjay/media/HK%20rooms/Hongkonghostel.jpg.html)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa51/Clipperjay/HK%20rooms/P1030801.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/Clipperjay/media/HK%20rooms/P1030801.jpg.html)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa51/Clipperjay/HK%20rooms/P1030800.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/Clipperjay/media/HK%20rooms/P1030800.jpg.html)
This is where the living room would be but I want more bedroom space and just a narrow corridor roughly about half of where the patio metal doors are is where the bedroom would come out to!
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa51/Clipperjay/HK%20rooms/P1030795.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/Clipperjay/media/HK%20rooms/P1030795.jpg.html)
Best I can do logistically The bathroom needs to be near a side wall of the house for waste management reasons other wise I'll have large waste pipes going through all floors where if they are routed outside of the building which is the way its done over there!
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa51/Clipperjay/HK%20rooms/P1040245.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/Clipperjay/media/HK%20rooms/P1040245.jpg.html)
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just done a very rough drawing i kinda had an educated guess at the size of the bathroom (think it needs to be smaller :whistle:)
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r301/hobbiniho/bedroom_zps6bfd1426.jpg) (http://s147.photobucket.com/user/hobbiniho/media/bedroom_zps6bfd1426.jpg.html)
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Hey mate yeah something like that that bathroom is too big I plan on sticking two bunk beds in that room! I'll try and find some measurements for the bathroom, but I'm sure we can get smaller?
Thinking about it the waste management pipes and water can be berried under flooring and feed out towards the window to external soil pipes? I've also got to thin about water sprinkler system and work out where to place then in the corridor and bedrooms?
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yeh as i said hat was a rough/educated guess from the picture you put up but he biggest problem with reducing space is you want a bath and a shower, might be able to loose 1ft of the size up and down the way but no much more really
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No bath will be placed in just a shower and toilet and basin mirror a few power sockets and that's it!
My country is just too hot for baths no one has a bath and if you do the air-con is running LOL!
5FT by 5FT would be right 25SqfT per bathroom would hold all of that easily.
My issues will be planning I would love to loose the balcony that's easily an extra 15ft x5ft!
What would that corridor give in feet after the bedrooms are up?
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It's not possible for anyone to come up with a 'rough' layout without knowing the exact dimensions when space is so critical.
If you can provide me with an accurate floor plan with dimensions on, including existing door and window positions, I may be able to help.
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True ive got assumptions total area of 700sq foot of space so assuption of a perfect rectanlge space would be 20ft x 30ft guessing as the building would be more long than wide only thing missing is how much of the stair case takes up sq footage total floor space is defo 1, 200 square foot of space on three floors. True scale plans im not interested assumptions at this stage is fine with the parameters given.
Thanks for input mate
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The thing is, square footage means nothing. You can't do anything without dimensions as you need to take into account wall thicknesses, door swings, and now you've thrown a staircase into the mix too. We need to know the storey height in order to know the geometry of the stairs. This will effect where the stairwell trimmers need to go to give sufficient headroom, how much usable space will be under the stairs, what effect the stairs have on the floors above/below them, etc...
What's the big deal with running the tape measure around the building? It will take minutes, then someone like me would be able to produce an accurate plan of what will fit quite easily. I don't know about anyone else, but you won't be getting a bill from me, so why not do the job properly safe in the knowledge that what you want to achieve can be done?
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Dont get me wrong if I could get a tape measure and get proper dimentions I would.
I think doing it right is the right way but its just planning level 1 at the moment I have regulations to deal with back home 6000miles away from uk. this just ideas on rough paper a proper architect would be hired. Think of this as a excircise to see what options I have available. By the way its a new build foundations have not been laid yet
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Are you buying a new build off plan then? Presumably if planning permission has been granted, overall dimensions of the building will have been established. Where the partitions go inside is (within reason) can be decided at any point. As per my earlier comments tho' it is impossible to guess at what will fit into a space that no one knows the size of.
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No company is involved its my land and my design within reason of building regs over there! But there regs are quite harsh compared to us due to the lack of land and over population.
They can build houses over there is 6-7 months I found this which is interesting:
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa51/Clipperjay/HK%20rooms/height.png) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/Clipperjay/media/HK%20rooms/height.png.html)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa51/Clipperjay/HK%20rooms/height1.png) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/Clipperjay/media/HK%20rooms/height1.png.html)
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That all looks pretty straightforward. It sets the parameters in which to work.
I had one house to design that was limited to 100sqm (over 2 floors) that needed to have 4 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms on the first floor. Is was a squeeze, but I got it into the 50sqm space, so if you want to get 3 beds and 3 bathrooms into 65sqm, that is entirely possible.
The layout will depend on the proportions of the building and orientation to take into account light, solar gain, views, neighbours etc... If building design isn't your thing, then you really ought to seek professional help from the outset. If you are going to do it, money spent at the initial design stage will save thousands in wasted time during the build if things don't quite fir how you assumed they would.
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Yeah it is doable my concerns are mainly:
Fire escapes
If I wanted to revert back to a stock dwelling like a kitchen put back in hopefully the internal structure can be altered to another design without changing load bearing internal walls?
So many regulations I need to ask about like the narrow corridor and planning for business use.
Still have the lower floor to design as that would be non sleeping areas.
There is space for a large garden enclosure about 700sqft of surrounding land, but I think that will be used for parking and a garden bench usage.
There is three main options:
1) Whole house like a town house
2) Covert into three separate apartments
3) Have a Two up one down
4) Convert the whole thing into a guest house
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Only you can decide which option you go with. Once you do, then you hand it over to an Architect to make it work. Alternatively you have 4 different designs produced, then cost each one out in terms of expenditure and projected return, before moving forward with your chosen design.
Either way, it seems that you need professional help before going any further. That's my considered opinion based on 27 years in the industry.
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Still would like some rough drawings on paper to take with me just to show a few people back home!
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As per my earlier comments tho' it is impossible to guess at what will fit into a space that no one knows the size of.
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Speaking as another professional, get an architect on board or at the very very least - a competent architectural technician.
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I think you both got the wrong end of the stick This about exploring options for how things would be organised I would not use these plans as a scale to build reference hence I've only given basic height and width floor area.
I'm sure people still make rough blue prints before they make it to scale?
I can't go and pull dimensions off a building as there is no building so someone must have enough experience to make assumptions to fill gaps?
I'll have to get mini cad out and have a go myself been a few years but hey ho! :laugh:
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This is my Uncle.
http://simonunwin.com/
£1000 introduction free to yours truly first, of course. :whistle:
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Great Jon when I have a mo I'll look at that program.
The Architect will have to work with builders and planning, think something might get lost in translation cool all the same!
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I made this in half an hour most of it was learning how to use it but this is all I needed as a reference!
Not sure from a technical point of view what else to add? Any advice would be good from the pro's
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa51/Clipperjay/New%20project%20140720103640.png) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/Clipperjay/media/New%20project%20140720103640.png.html)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa51/Clipperjay/New%20project%20140720111256.png) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/Clipperjay/media/New%20project%20140720111256.png.html)
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Where are your stairs?
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Yeah haven't worked out how to use the program yet I did this off the bat, but stairs per floor would only use about 4x5ft of extra space attached to the front door. I'm still playing around but this was what I was looking for and the note made life easier for me! I tried using smart draw and find that too technical but it did have stairs as a template!
I'll play some more but visually it meets what I had in mind as a reference point.
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa51/Clipperjay/New%20project%20140720173352.png) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/Clipperjay/media/New%20project%20140720173352.png.html)
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Stairs take up more space than you might think. You need a landing at the top, you can't just go through a door half way up like you have shown. You also need space at the bottom that is clear of intrusions such as door swings.
If the building has more than 2 floors, you need to think about how you get to the second flight. Depending on the uses of the building, single domestic dwelling, shared stair serving more than one unit, commercial, all effect the dimensions of the staircase. You also need to consider fire and sound separation.
There is a lot more to this building designing malarky that people give us credit for. Seriously, you need to get some help before you go too far down the line with a project that you think will make you some money.
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Agreed its defo alot more complex typical stairs are either built as one house open or like you said three separate landings per floor. Either way rental is ave 1.5 to 2k per floor per mth on a rental market out there. No issues of making money just exploring options but fire codes are tough.
This isnt the first building project ive worked on and being in densely populated town space is always an issue.