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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: mullermn on 25 June 2014, 09:00
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Hi. Has anyone seen any articles or reviews where the GTI and the R are contrasted against each other? The only ones I can find are mk7 GTI and mk6 R.
I've already got half an eye on what I'm going to do when I've had the GTI a few years, and one obvious choice would be to swap for an R for a bit more excitement. However, there are trade offs in fuel economy, boot space, styling (personal preference obviously but I really can't get excited about the R's look) and maybe other things, and I can't decide if it would be worth it.
Any info would be great, thanks.
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VW Racings opinion:
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/news/new-golf-mk7-r-arrives-2/
And my own little opinion:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=254838.2080
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Thanks for that, Jimble.
I think on balance the GTI is probably the better car for me. The extra power would be nice, but realistically I don't get the chance to drive at the GTI's limits that often so the R would be wasted, and the fuel efficiency would be a killer - the GTI is bad enough ;)
How has your fuel efficiency changed over the time you've had the R? My GTI has got 10k on it now and it's definitely getting more efficient than it used to be - 47mpg+ yesterday on a 155 mile motorway journey.
Maybe I'll investigate tuning options for the GTI instead; keep the same car but get a bit more out of it.
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Hi there, my brother just got his new Mk7 R last Friday. Manual, 3 door in Lapis blue with 19" alloys which I took over one of my favourite back roads the other day so feel I can share my opinion comparing it to the wife's Mk 7 Gti.
Without going into war and peace detail I would have to echo many of the things that Jimble found.
The R is a stonking bit of kit and looks far better in the flesh than in pictures and Lapis blue really catches the light to the point where I think it stands out even more than the Gti.
Driving it over the back roads it was absolutely nailed to the road but actually it felt like it was battering the road into submission through the extra weight, 4wd and additional power.
The Gti just feels to me to be a slightly sweeter drive, like its lighter on its toes and flowing over the road better. All the control weights feel a bit more natural but that could just be familiarity.
Don't get me wrong I am in no way putting the R down. Its a brilliant car and if I had one I'd be more than happy but whether I'm getting old or not I think I'd prefer the Gti on a day to day basis.
Its slightly comfier (both have DCC), less noisy on the motorway and I think the interior is just a bit more sporty.
To put it into context, I had it in my head that I fancied an S3 saloon for my next car but driving the R has put some doubts in my head as to whether I actually need that much performance and I never thought I'd say that!!
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Not quite a direct comparison, but these Auto Express track battles compare the GTi PP and R lap times with 0.8secs between the two Golfs. Although at the end of the R's video the presenter does say the R failed to beat the time set by the GTi, so not sure if there is another GTi lap video
Golf R vs Seat Leon Cupra:
http://youtu.be/4tgdtVhQzJM
Golf GTi PP vs RS Megane:
http://youtu.be/O5hZwUuFX5A
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I originally wanted an R but it wasn't available when I needed to replace my car. I'm still gonna be jellous us every time I see one, but with the remap running at 280bhp I like the sleeper aspect of the GTI
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Im no lewis hamilton just an ordinary middle age driver who do 10000 miles a year in my golf with the odd trackday with my sunday cars
I bought the Golf R after test drove a S3 and GTI with pp. These are my thoughts after 2 months of ownership:
1. Most of my friends and colleagues don't know what the R means. Most think the GTI is faster! The ladies in the workplace love the looks though!
2. The car is lower and sprung stiffer than the gti. So ride can be a bit brittle in bad road. If one do go for 19s wheels, do yourself a favour if u use your car daily and specify the adaptive dampers. Car comes with Continental rides better than those with Bridgestones!
3. Official fuel consumption should be better than my previous mk 6 gti but in reality even when I use stop start, it sips a little bit more fuel. I can never do more than 350miles. Also, unlike the GTI, this car prefer superunleaded.
4. No traction problem. The car simply grips on any road surface. If you are not a pro and want a fast transport from a to b, this car is quite a weapon in wet weather.
5. Insurance is terrible. Rung a few places and online. The R cost more to insure than a gen 2 997+F430
. I really think insurance company is just a joke!
6. In race mood, the steering is a bit heavier than the GTI and it sounds really nice with the window down. I also like that Subaru'es flat 4 noise when I start the car!
7. If one don't mind changing gear, the manual box is crisp and accurate. Good pedal feel. It only feel much faster than GTI above 3000rpm!
8. Boot space is smaller than GTI. Only manage one big suitcase! Not a car for plumbers, tilers etc..
8. The difference in finance cost between this car and a gti with pp is not as big as one think. Less than £50 per month for extra horses and torque+4wd
Overall, this car is good enough to give my sunday cars a good run for the money!
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I've always been of the opinion that I'd choose a GTI over the R, mainly because I've owned several pervious generation GTIs and I prefer the looks of the MK7 GTI over the R. I'm also not a 4-wheel-drive convert, preferring the agility of a front wheel drive set up.
However today I was lucky enough to drive a friends MK7 R and my word that car is fast, seriously fast. I've spent a decent amount of time in a non-PP GTI and in comparison the R absolutely monsters it. The steering weight in Race is lovely, reminds me of my old MK5 GTI, and the sound is awesome. There is no getting away from the fact it is slightly artificial, but nonetheless is makes a superb noise for a 4-pot.
I guess the only question for me would be whether it is in fact too fast...
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I've always been of the opinion that I'd choose a GTI over the R, mainly because I've owned several pervious generation GTIs and I prefer the looks of the MK7 GTI over the R. I'm also not a 4-wheel-drive convert, preferring the agility of a front wheel drive set up.
However today I was lucky enough to drive a friends MK7 R and my word that car is fast, seriously fast. I've spent a decent amount of time in a non-PP GTI and in comparison the R absolutely monsters it. The steering weight in Race is lovely, reminds me of my old MK5 GTI, and the sound is awesome. There is no getting away from the fact it is slightly artificial, but nonetheless is makes a superb noise for a 4-pot.
I guess the only question for me would be whether it is in fact too fast...
It can never be too fast :evil:
I kind of regret not waiting 6 months for an R especially when I saw the starting price which is not that far off the GTI PP. However if i did order one I would still frequent this forum rather than some of the muppets who hang about the R forum :angry: :angry:
http://www.rforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=6108&sid=b2c2839c1af6eb9d062b9366609d5c37
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Yeah, I saw that thread too!
I do tend to avoid that forum, it used to be quite good but is generally just a "I can afford a Rolls Royce and a mansion but really want a Golf so I'll have to have the biggest baddest one money can buy and all else is in the range is insignificant"
Admittedly it's only one or two on the mk7 board and in the bad old days of this forum they'd have been slaughtered if they'd been on here! But it's enough to keep me away and if that's the mentality of Golf owners nowadays then it'll be a SEAT for me from now on!
Anyway, to the OP: Yes, the R is a better car, it's' bound to be with 4WD and 300 bhp.
But the GTI is still a very good car for what it is and subjectively looks slightly prettier to most people.
The GTI has 258 lb ft of torque vs about 280 for the R so when you factor the weight and 4WD losses it's quite similar, so then there's just the small matter of 80/70bhp? :whistle:
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I've always been of the opinion that I'd choose a GTI over the R, mainly because I've owned several pervious generation GTIs and I prefer the looks of the MK7 GTI over the R. I'm also not a 4-wheel-drive convert, preferring the agility of a front wheel drive set up.
However today I was lucky enough to drive a friends MK7 R and my word that car is fast, seriously fast. I've spent a decent amount of time in a non-PP GTI and in comparison the R absolutely monsters it. The steering weight in Race is lovely, reminds me of my old MK5 GTI, and the sound is awesome. There is no getting away from the fact it is slightly artificial, but nonetheless is makes a superb noise for a 4-pot.
I guess the only question for me would be whether it is in fact too fast...
The one thing do personally miss from my previous 2 cars is the 4WD in the wet as you just pull away and then had feeling of rock solid stability through the drive.
That is not to say the GTD/GTI does not handle brilliantly, as it does but I really do not enjoy the tramping that sometimes have to endure in wet even under quite normal accelleration to merge into traffic
If did not have to think of boring things like fuel consumption and could just pick a car I would have the R over the GTI. 90% of my driving and journeys would be no different experience wise due to roads and traffic condition but just knowing what is on tap and the 10% time get to use it would bring a constant feeling of smug satisfaction.
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I had similar practical considerations to make, and chose a GTD too. Having owned a GTI I was happy the GTD was 90% of that car in terms of driver enjoyment, but far more sensible as a "real world" daily driver in terms of running costs. Having driven an R (I had to order my car before they became available to test drive in the UK) I'm almost positive I would have forgot all about fuel consumption. I actual regret driving one today, because a spirited drive home in the GTD tonight revealed it to be 50% the car the R is.
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Shock... Horror...
The GTI forum prefers the GTI and the R forum prefers the R :evil:
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Shock... Horror...
The GTI forum prefers the GTI and the R forum prefers the R :evil:
I'm sure there are some on here that would prefer to have the R, me included, but for some of the R community to come out and say the GTI is sh!t is a load of pish. :angry:
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Shock... Horror...
The GTI forum prefers the GTI and the R forum prefers the R :evil:
I'm sure there are some on here that would prefer to have the R, me included, but for some of the R community to come out and say the GTI is sh!t is a load of pish. :angry:
The car itself, be it GTD, GTI or R are near identical for 90-95% of the time particularly if you specify DCC in the R to soften the basic ride.
Look at BHP and then there is the difference, hardly rocket science, and then in R case add in the 4WD for instant pull away in wet and there is a little more difference. So for 5-10% of time each model has more performance over next one.
But this is at base the same car we talking about and under normal driving conditions none of us are going to have much difference in experience over another so there is no case in being able to run amother model down except in banter and jest.
And given the R has only small periods where you can let it loose over a GTI then there is good argument the GTI with better styling is a better proposition.
Asked my wife who is not that naive but not really in tune with any details as to what is the better car between the GTI and R and she said without hesitation the GTI and if it was a stupid question, because its sportier and the best Golf was her reasoning and thinking the R was a lesser model.
So on road imagtine perception is much same for the vast majority of road users. GTI is the marquee name.
That said swaying between GTI and R for next car in 2016 but in full knowledge they very close and mainly for the 4WD and small amount of time can go to race mode as does sound pretty immense :)
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Shock... Horror...
The GTI forum prefers the GTI and the R forum prefers the R :evil:
I'm sure there are some on here that would prefer to have the R, me included, but for some of the R community to come out and say the GTI is sh!t is a load of pish. :angry:
I'd have to agree, I'm not sure whether I'd actually prefer the R as a GTI or GTD with some very minor enhancements makes a very good case for itself as an all-rounder, but for those moments where the technology of the R comes into its own it's quite a special car - you can't argue with the figures.
But don't take to heart what some people say on internet forums, it's just wild opinions and perspective in many cases and there are always people in life who have a superiority complex(!!!)
I think for most of us, we can see the advantages and disadvantages of every model of Golf - even the small engined TDI's TSI's make a good case for themselves as brilliant bits of engineering and excellent road cars.
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Hoping edition 40 will trump both
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drove a & GTI non PP manual in the aid of research against another manufacturers offering, my group had 2 megane RS owners and trust me the GTI & R clans need to stitch to together, these two owners didn't have a f*cking clue on what made a quick road car, power, torque and thought DCC and DSG was with craft let alone 4wd
the GTI was just a sublime car on the route, engine, suspension just made it a compliant car, the RS boys prefer a crashy ride and they think that is sporty
comparing the R with a remap was not fair as it just goes and goes, the R would not be what it is if it wasn't for the GTI, simples, Andrew Parker does some it up quite well, swift progress in the GTI was a joy, the R is the same just with the wick turned up
chatting with about 5-6 guys at Revo who have spent time in theirs it is fairly unanimous that we al thought the R would be a bit remote in feel, but all are surprised actually how good a car it is and then threw in DSG to the mix to get the best out of it
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsMwbwspLKk
Welcome to my world :rolleyes:
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You may need to repaste as a normal link, but I copied the url to open youtube and...
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Crazy fast, what bhp is the map then - or haven't they revealed this yet? :)
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(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsMwbwspLKk)
Welcome to my world :rolleyes:
Lol this is mental...3.87 seconda i think it said. How could you wipe the smile of your face driving that. In abother thread someone said that at that 0-60 time in half a second of an enzo lol. Fair enough the enzo would obliterate it after the 60 but still insane for a car at 30k plus. Jammy b*stards. Il make do with my gtd and a tuning box ha