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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Jackie Treehorn on 16 June 2014, 20:27
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Hi
Been hovering for a few weeks reading through all the posts and the mammoth 220 pages of new arrival pictures :smiley:
Looking to buy a new white GTI 3 door with PP and Dynaudio. It has been a long time since I have had a GTI, 15 years since my Mk2 and 6 years since Mk1
Any help from the experienced is more than welcome. I've come from Audi, Porsche, and BMW audio systems in the last 3 cars. Audi very good for standard stereo I thought, Porsche was Bose 10 speaker and sounded pretty good to my ears. BMW 1 series the worst I have ever experienced, truly shocking system without any tweeters at all, and it wasn't the base system!
1: Based on the kind of cars I have had what do you think the performance of the Dynaudio system is, and is it worth the £500?
2: The price I have been quoted from a Dealer is £25358 for the above spec GTI. Is this a good deal or is there better out there from your experience at Dealers?
3: The dealer will give me a price for my car, but if i don't trade it in now, they will knock £225- £250 off each month until my car arrives (Sept allegedly). I can't believe my car depreciates that quickly (2010 123d 1 Series). I have tried 2 dealers now from different groups and they both said similar. Is this normal?
4: I am going light on options i know, but none of the other options seem something i really want. I do track days occasionally and intend on keeping the car 10 years, so PP and Dynaudio seem sensible, and no nav as the screen would prob look like an 87 Atari by then.
Any thoughts are more than welcome. :smiley:
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Keyless = cheap and great, wouldn't be without it....
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What is the percentage discount? Aim for around 10% or over and you won't be far away.
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Discount is 6.5%, do you think I should be able to get 10% from the dealer? They really didn't want to budge past that figure, either of them. I guess i'm not good enough at haggling
Looked at the keyless, It does look pretty impressive.
modified as i was being a idiot it is 10%
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On the trade in front I was given an agreed price on the trade in regardless of when I took delivery of the vehicle. I'd push for a similar thing, especially if there isn't a car ready straight away for you.
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Interesting...
As i say its not something i have heard of. But not really ever traded a car at a dealers, so i thought it must be normal when 2 dealers said the same.
lol i thought i was doing pretty well getting what i had until i asked :grin:
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suggest looking at Drive the Deal, they have been offering about 12% discount and excellent service, speaking from personal experience.
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I've came from an Audi that had the Audi Sound System upgrade to the Golf with DynAudio. All I can say is the DynAudio is fantastic in comparison. Crystal clear with a full sound. I know some others have been saying they don't think its worth the upgrade. Well the standard system must be the dogs danglies if its anywhere near the DynAudio
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Hi I have the Dynaudio and it's excellent, very clear and good for a variety of uses (music or speech). It's really hard to make a true comparison with stock as it's so subjective but I'm pleased with it and if I was speccing from new (mine was an ex demo) I'd tick the box.
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I can't advise on the Dynaudio as I didn't spec it having been unimpressed with the set up in my mk6 (which might have just been down to me not setting it up properly) BUT mk7 owners report a vast improvement so if you're keeping the car long term you'd best tick that box as regret is not something you want. The £500 or whatever will easily be swallowed up in five to ten years if that is indeed how long you keep the car.
I went light on the options as I have a terrible habit of changing every 18 months to 2 years and looking at my mk6 history taught me a lesson I won't forget in a hurry.
Both my mk6's were bought used but only a few months old. The first I specced really lightly and lost very little money. The second would have cost £32k new due to all the extras and brought in £16k at two and a half years old!!! OUCH! Glad I bought it at a really big saving but I still lost a lot of money.
So I was a bit wary with the mk7. Just the cheapo options ticked aside from the basic nav which is still expensive for what it offers above the standard radio system. I ticked that box for the convenience of the nav (which I hardly use) and the fact that in a couple of years it will be something a buyer will look for so might add a little to the value but will certainly make it easier to sell. However, if in your position of keeping the car long term I'd not bother, you sum it up pretty well.
As above there, keyless is probably something that will be standard in a few years so maybe worth speccing. I didn't bother as it doesn't appeal to me, my dad has it in his crappy Nissan and it's not without inconveniences in itself at times.
DCC might be useful but again, long term there's lots to go wrong!
And to the all important £££££ bit.
Lots of the best deals on here are from brokers that will mean you have to sell your car privately. So if you have time and patience and a bit of luck it's win win for you there. Better return on your old car and an easy 10% plus.
If you're using a local dealer then the convenience is worth a few quid, but more importantly if they're giving you top book price on your car then I think there's only so much room they have in the deal (buying from retail dept not fleet with no p/x as brokers tend to deal with).
https://www.capconnect.co.uk/ConsumerValues/Ford.aspx?DB=CAR&CH=PWRTZ&New=1 is a good site to check the trade value of your part ex.
This is the guide your dealer will use in a slightly more advanced form and CAP who run that price guide do the forecasts your dealer will use for potential depreciation on the part ex hence their estimate of £200 a month or so (which gets less as the car gets older and is just a GUIDE).
If you're not 100% on the deal your dealer gives you it only takes an hour or so of ringing around a few dealers people mention on here with the bigger discounts to see what they can do for you.
Some of it timing, some luck and some through being a persistent negotiator!!!
If you're planning a long term relationship with the car and dealer that's worth a bit of money to you and to them so just see and push for the best you can get without souring either them or you.
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Thanks very much all,
The best i can find for a broker (which as you say involves selling mine privately) was an extra £500 so i guess if that is the route some wish to take it all adds up, but personally i would like the convenience of the trade in. But if no one is budging on the each month drop i may as well put it on Autotrader and see if i can get a little more, before i trade it to them.
Thanks also for the link to capconnect. It came back with my car showing £100 below the maximum for "trade in clean" so perhaps the dealer are giving me the potential max for trade in.
Like you mention I am a little wary of options long term, my 80 year old dad would say "it's just another thing to go wrong" but the keyless and DCC look attractive but 6-8-10 years down the line, i may be better with a lesser complex range of model options. I am done with buying and selling cars every 2 years as its been costing me a fortune and i would just like a good long term competent fun car. GTI it is :smiley:
Thanks again for the help, I feel like I am coming from a point of a little more knowledge on the subject.
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Just to piggybank in here - Having never had a VW or indeed a car with DCC, is that something that would tend to go wrong after a few years? I was looking at ticking that box myself and, as with Jackie, was intending to keep the car for around 7 years or so. Would adding that essentially be an expensive ticking time bomb?
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DCC is quite complex yes but you don't hear of many failures on the various forums that I've noticed. Best in mind it's fitted as standard to Sciroccos which have been around for a few years now and early ones are well out of warranty.
How I look on it is that any shock absorber is well past it by 70k miles and if the car is out of warranty the DCC shocks are going to be big ££££ to replace - my usual policy when stuff is out of warranty is to uprate anyway which is usually cheaper!!!
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I feel the same about adaptive and why I don't think i will spec it. I'm sure its a very good system. I fitted Bilstein B8 shocks when i wanted to replace my m-sport as the m-sport were pretty expensive i thought.
Can I ask if anyone knows if the calipers are just bigger, or 4 pot on the PP GTI? Who makes them?
Also what are the chances of easy replacement in the aftermarket in the future? I guess the standard GTi may have something usable across the VAG range, but what about the PP version front brakes? Not something i need to be thinking about in the next 3 years i know, but as the car is a keeper it may be important.
Are the pads different too?
Sooo many questions, sorry. :whistle:
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They're just bigger rotors and I think different calipers and pads, but not four-pot (which you'd might expect)...
There are bound to be options either from the VW parts bin or after-market...
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DCC is quite complex yes but you don't hear of many failures on the various forums that I've noticed. Best in mind it's fitted as standard to Sciroccos which have been around for a few years now and early ones are well out of warranty.
How I look on it is that any shock absorber is well past it by 70k miles and if the car is out of warranty the DCC shocks are going to be big ££££ to replace - my usual policy when stuff is out of warranty is to uprate anyway which is usually cheaper!!!
I had a Scirocco and was very impressed with DCC and therefore followed suit in my GTI. The increase in price to replace is a small price to pay for having the DCC ( if I decide to keep the car ). The steering on my GTI is a million miles better than that on the Rocco too. Unfortunately, well travelled highly engineered cars cost money when out of warranty.
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In contrast I also had it on a Scirocco and could tell the difference between any of the settings!
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They're just bigger rotors and I think different calipers and pads, but not four-pot (which you'd might expect)...
There are bound to be options either from the VW parts bin or after-market...
Ah ok, so it just a basic caliper. I suppose it just has an extended backing plate to push the caliper out further to incorporate the larger disc. That's a bit of a shame but it I guess you can't expect much for your £900 for the PP pack. I Would happily pay it for the Diff alone TBH.
At least it won't be too hard to get aftermarket textar or other soon.
Going to order tomorrow and then the wait...
Still unsure on colour...but will just "wing it" on the day :smiley:
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Ok placed an order yesterday.
Performance pack
Dynaudio
Tornado Red....on red badges, on red calipers, on red stitching. I hope i don't mind red too much :wink:
I liked the other colours, but not enough to pay for them. If something was stand out WOW i would have happily paid for it, but white and various shades of grey/silver or darker were all nice, but nothing that i really wanted to give VW 500 quid for. TBH the colour choice is pretty poor compared to what the Germans get to choose. I guess i would have gone for Lapis blue if it was available, but not sure it would work with the red strip at the front.
Walking around the dealers forecourt It became apparent that the new and used cars they had were either Reflex silver or a variation of this, white or a none de-script selection of v dark/dull/greys/blues. This isn't a criticism of VW because on the way home all i seemed to see were dark dull colours. I guess either the manufacturers think we are nervous about bold colours and won't buy them or they only offer plain "blend in colours" at the moment.
A friend has a BMW M3 in Laguna Seca blue and i think it looks stunning, but perhaps even i would shy away from ticking that box on a Brand new GTI :whistle: