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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: ldw999 on 31 May 2014, 08:05
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Hi all,
newbie here. Just put £500 down on a ex demo Golf R, but then realised last night it only has the 5" standard Nav rather that the 8" Pro.
Have I made a big mistake? How good is the Pro? Is it worth me cancelling and finding another car?
I'm a bit of a geek and like toys :) this R has the keyless entry and panoramic sun roof also leather so a great spec.
cheers
L
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Nav Pro was the first thing I ticked on the options as I'd been told retro fitting was a no go. If you can live without the extra 3 inches and not being able to put speedcams on then you'll be fine. I also got the bigger screen for the reversing camera.
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Ah pants, speedcamera database sounds cool
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Is the screen resolution on the Pro Nav considerably better than the Discovery Nav? It's my main criticism of the screen in my car. I've no qualms with the way it functions, but it looks a bit basic, especially when displaying stuff like album artwork.
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Just be aware the speed camera database is a POI on the Sat Nav and does not come with audible alerts. However it is still a nice thing to have and after trying out all options of Speed Camera alert including Phone and other external options I have come to the conclusion the POI Speed Cameras on my Nav Pro is the best method for my personal preference.
If you want Speed Cameras on the Nav Pro it is advised to sign up to PocketGPSWorld to get the database files for your Nav Pro. I think it was £20 for a year subscription.
I also have Reversing Camera and once I started to use it I find it a really useful thing to have on your car. I would not be without it (used in conjunction with mirrors not instead) and it is not a gimmick as I first thought it might be. I will always tick this option box in future.
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A demo Golf R? Make sure you take the extended warranty.
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Actually it was one the area managers cars for 6 weeks.
Should come with just shy of 3 years warranty though shouldnt it?
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That's true it will do.
Any demo car is available for customer to drive and the type of car it is customers want to see what it has to offer and don't normally care about warm up or abuse.
However, the demos are very well speced.
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Regarding Speed Camera Databases, without an audio warning a simple icon on the screen is far to easy to miss = fine and points.
Auto Express have just done a group test and the C50 came out best, and is currently available with lifetime updates for about £120 - search the web.
Have just bought one to replace an ancient Snooper and so far it has ID'd every camera I knew about. It is small and easy to mount on the dash, voice alerts take a little while to get used to but much better than a £90 fine and 3 points.
I have tried Smart Phone Apps and have the PocketGPS database on my TomTom - I am a belt, braces and string type of person when it comes to speed cameras.
I like the TomTom as with PocketGPS it gives the best warnings and shows locations on the route but the new C50 is tiny and such a simple fit and forget device that it is always in the car giving warnings, highly recommended.
AutoExpress link
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/87053/speed-camera-detector-reviews-and-group-test
Also link to my way of wireing in devices which use a ciggy plug for power - to keep the install neat and tidy
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/87053/speed-camera-detector-reviews-and-group-test
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AutoExpress link
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/87053/speed-camera-detector-reviews-and-group-test
Also link to my way of wireing in devices which use a ciggy plug for power - to keep the install neat and tidy
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/87053/speed-camera-detector-reviews-and-group-test
They are the same links.
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Actually it was one the area managers cars for 6 weeks.
Should come with just shy of 3 years warranty though shouldnt it?
Area manager :grin:
So when it first came into stock, all the retail guys didn't try a 0-60 in it?
I can't complain, bought a demo myself. Looking at how much tread was on the tyres after 2k miles on it, well I don't think it had a nun behind the wheel put it that way.
I know you can never tell, as some of these R's will have been driven my dealer principals, and it will have been their pride and joy and it's probably never been on a test drive; however, others will be the complete opposite.
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Sorry about that - finger trouble
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=261543.0
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I have the standard Discover Nav in mine and it's perfectly fine. Personally I couldn't justify an extra £1k for another 3" (The missus said otherwise.... :grin: :grin:)
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My theory is, if you don't test drive with a Nav Pro, the Nav will feel great :)
I've got the the Nav and I don't ever wish it to be bigger, no innuendo intended.
For navigation the biggest plus I think over my previous tomtom is the MFD screen directions, it's very cool and keeps your eyes on the road.
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I have the standard Discover Nav in mine and it's perfectly fine. Personally I couldn't justify an extra £1k for another 3" (The missus said otherwise.... :grin: :grin:)
Its not just the size though.. :smiley:
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£1700 for Nav Pro is a rip off by any measure... especially when you consider it is less functional than a £250 TomTom
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I've struggled for a while to find the slot on my daughters Tom Tom to play DVDs :grin:
You're right it is a rip off but its something people are willing to pay to avoid having trailing wires which I personally hate and even worse still, having to set it up every time you get in the car to go.
But each to their own.
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How is the nav pro less functional than a tom tom. They both give you directions to your stated destination??
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Voice notification of upcoming speed cameras for one.
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Hardly a deal breaker and with the nav pro you can add speedcams locations on. The screen is big enough to see the speedcam icon in your peripheral vision. Next??
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You only need to miss one camera warning and thats £90 fine, 3 points and 5 years of increased Insurance costs, in my opinion that lack of verbal/audio camera warnings is critical.
No matter how big the screen icon if you are concentrating on the road, especially ones you do not drive regularly, you will not see the icon warning.
Nav pro might be a great SatNav but it is a compromised as a camera database and as such a separate audio unit will always be preferable to a fine and points
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I don't know how the Navpro is updated but the Tomtom is so easy. One can drag and drop updates from a pc or laptop daily if one wants
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Camera locations won't always save you - those sneaky mobile units get all over now. Do these alerts do fixed camera points only or the whole legitimate scoutable zones that mobile units can be in?
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Tomtom users can report mobile camera sites and map corrections as changes to the road infrastructure are made. They can download verified or include unverified changes to their maps. Mobile and roadworks cameras are included.
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Versus TomTom. Discovery Pro is missing:
1. Despite the 17Gb data file it is missing road data for virtually every postcode I enter, unlike TomTom.
2. TomTom has IQ routes which varies the route at different times of day to avoid traffic, I found this very effective, Discovery Pro takes no notice and wants to direct me through the middle of towns such as Reading at 5pm.
3. TomTom has HD traffic which has saved me many hours of queuing traffic over the last few years and includes data for all road types. Discovery Pro has a fairly useless and inaccurate system TMC which uses government supplied data for Motorways and some trunk routes. so far virtually every notification of jams ahead has been wrong.
4. As previously discussed there is a lack of flexibility with POIs with no audible notifications.
5. TomTom provides regular firmware updates that improve functionality and overcome bugs, this can be done simply and easily by plugging the unit in to my PC. My Discovery Pro has supposedly been updated by the dealer to the latest version but still crashes regularly and has no noticeable improvements. To get this done took the dealer 10 days to get in the updated firmware and many frustrating phonecalls to the dealership who don't understand updating firmware.
6. Discovery-Pro was designed to work with car-net which would greatly improve its functionality but in their wisdom VW UK is the only country in Europe not to offer the system on GTD/GTIs
Overall Discovery Pro looks nice, is relatively easy to use and enhances the environment of the car BUT offers poor functionality against almost any aftermarket satnav and represents very poor value for money at £1,700. Amazingly the free satNav which is in my wife's up! offer's better functionality and ease of use.
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In addition to TomToms own Camera database you can easily add the PocketGPS database - £20 per year - which includes mobile, average speed and fixed and is kept up to date buy both their users and their own team so is generally considered to be one of the most up to date and accurate databases - updates released weekly.
The C50 I also use is a standalone - non SatNav - unit which also has a verified database, running both is a belt and braces approach but suits me. This unit could also be used with NavPro loaded with the PocketGPS database, the NavPro would show the location and the C50 would give the audio alerts.
Another alternative is to use the PocketGPS database on a GPS SmartPhone in conjunction with loading it onto the NavPro - the licence allows installation on 3 devices. On a Smartphone without maps PGPS will give audio warnings and the NapPro should show the locations.
I am sure there are other combinations possible but if you have a NAvPro and PGPS on a SmartPhone or by using a C50 you get the best of both worlds.
If you have standard Nav, then a C50 will give audio warnings and if you have no Nav then a TomTom running PGS database is the probably the best option - which can also be run alongside the standard Nav unit, a duplicate I know but gives you both Audio and visual warnings.
When I added standard Nav to my GTi order I nievely assumed you would be able to load a fully working Camera Database with Audio warnings - If I was ordering now I would save the cash and just buy a large TomTom that can take the PGPS database - care must be taken as some of the latest versions of TomTom do not allow third party databases to be loaded, but plenty still do.
Here endeth the lesson ........?????
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The top and bottom of it is a tom tom is a dedicated sat nav and it's just that so explains the cheap price in comparison to a built in sat nav. The last time I checked you can't listen to the radio, play music CDs, play DVDs, get parking sensor info or look at yourself reversing on a tom tom or any other sat nav for that matter. The maps are navteq which quite a few stand alone sat navs use and you can also use a speed camera database as has been mentioned. The nav pro also shows you the speed restriction of the road you are currently on so you shouldn't need any audible warnings of up coming cameras. Both have great plus points but both have failings.
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One can do all those things with the standard CMS and save yourself £1700 if you have a Tomtom.
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One can do all those things with the standard CMS and save yourself £1700 if you have a Tomtom.
It can't play DVD's, it doesn't come with a hard drive and doesn't come with voice recognition or bigger screen.
Yeah its a lot of money but it works out at £1500 via a broker and makes it more desirable when selling.
I don't have a TomTom so would have to buy one and then set it up every journey, leaving suction marks on the screen as well.
£1500 is a bargain in my eyes :laugh:
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You can have any option you want, it's your car. Just to say that I have had a Tomtom Go910 since they came out many years ago. It has a 20GB harddrive, can play mp4 movies and mp3 tracks through the car speakers. There are non-slip mats that take the satnav mounts that you can put on the dash in your line of sight. Later models do have voice recognition. Only thing they don't have is the larger screen away from line of sight. Agreed the trailing cable is undesirable.
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Does one work for Tom Tom by any chance? :laugh:
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No I've been retired since 09. Just correcting wrong statements. :wink:
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I specced Discover Pro as I knew I would spend more time regreting not getting it if I didnt than rueing the expenditure if I did!
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You can have any option you want, it's your car. Just to say that I have had a Tomtom Go910 since they came out many years ago. It has a 20GB harddrive, can play mp4 movies and mp3 tracks through the car speakers. There are non-slip mats that take the satnav mounts that you can put on the dash in your line of sight. Later models do have voice recognition. Only thing they don't have is the larger screen away from line of sight. Agreed the trailing cable is undesirable.
I take it your reply was directed at me Marnie? I wasn't referring to the TomTom I was referring to the CMS which you said "One can do all those things with the standard CMS and save yourself £1700 if you have a Tomtom" When clearly the CMS can't do all those things.
I'm curious how the mp3 works through the car speakers? I take it, its via bluetooth? In which case how does the phone work with this if its paired to the car?
£1700 for Nav alone is dear but like has been said you get a lot more than just Nav, like voice control, larger screen, hard drive, DVD over the standard Nav. Are those features worth an extra £1000? I doubt it. But dealer discount, integration, instantly there with no setting up brings that price more bearable for me.
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Hi p3asa
Yes, you're right the CMS doesn't have DVD, hdd or voice recognition, The Navpro is a tidy but expensive option. There is not much space left after VW have put their stuff on the hdd. An SD card in the CMS will hold all the music you will probably ever need. A tablet in the car is much more flexible for movies, I'm guessing most people will have one. The CMS will display the rear view camera image. The Tomtom I have is great for navigation but quite old. The audio required a line in point in the car. I'm not sure how the car Bluetooth works, But the Tomtom has Bluetooth.
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The fact it's impossible at the moment to retro fit the nav pro also came into play when speccing my car. I was the 2nd person in the country with the rns510 dab over 2 years ago and the fact they were so easy to retro fit and code in didn't really matter for people who didn't get sat nav from new. Stand alone sat navs are good but so are built in systems and from an aesthetic point of view the built in one win hands down.
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I specced Discover Pro as I knew I would spend more time regreting not getting it if I didnt than rueing the expenditure if I did!
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I specced Discover Pro as I knew I would spend more time regreting not getting it if I didnt than rueing the expenditure if I did!
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Same for me - the demo car I tried had it and I thought it was great. (Particularly the DVD function when stuck on M11 during a road closure for 2 hours following an accident). I had a play with the standard Nav in a showroom but I knew it would bug me not having the Nav Pro once I had tried it.