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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: GTDGeoff on 01 April 2014, 22:03
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I'm thinking of speccing this and it's affordable for me.
Is it a much better system ?
Reliable ?
What does the 64 Gb SSD hard drive do ? Is that for storage of music ?
Thanks
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I'm taking delivery of my GTI with Discover Pro nav in it soon - from what I've read on various sites and this forum, it's more powerful and has a more responsive interface plus a higher resolution, larger screen. The SSD has I think ~10GB available for storage of content (music, video, etc.) by the user - the rest is system storage.
That said, it suffers from some weird crashes on some very specific areas - I think there's a slip road near Birmingham airport if I recall that causes the nav to lock up! But these are things that should get resolved by software and map updates in the future with any luck.
Depending on when you plan on ordering I can provide more detailed review once I've taken delivery :smiley:
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I've got the pro nav and never had any problems with it. Been in a car with the smaller screen in and the nav pro is so much better.
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I have the Nav Pro to. Is it worth the money, of course not, didn't stop me specifying it though :grin:
It's a decent unit and the larger screen really finishes off the dash in my opinion, and it shows the detailed maps off to their best.
As to the SSD, it's mainly there for storing the maps which are huge (about 20gb), and contains 3d representations of major buildings in the big cities. Voice control (standard on the Nav Pro) is fairly well implemented as well. The remainder of the SSD space is available for music files, although to be honest, with 2 SD cards slots (both available at the same time for music files as the maps don't forget are on the SSD), DVD slot and an Ipod / USB connection, I really don't see me ever using the storage on the SSD for music.
Also, the NAV Pro has Gracenotes implementation which means if you insert a CD into the DVD slot, there is a very good chance that it's stored in the Gracenotes database and so rather than seeing "Track 1" "Track 2" etc, you actually get full artist and tracks names as well as cover art displaying on the screen. I've only so far had one CD which wasn't recognised.
I've added speed cameras as personal POI's to mine (which I don't think you can do on the smaller units ?), and whilst it doesn't give an audio "bong" when near, does provide a very clear visual representation of the cameras on a route.
All in all a decent unit, but it is certainly a bit too dear.
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Sootchucker, is there any chance you could give me instructions on how to load the speed cameras please?
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No problem bud. See this thread I did a while ago where I put up how to do it.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=254044.msg2329966#msg2329966
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Great, thanks very much. Ill get them loaded this weekend.
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I test drove an 'R' with the pro sat nav unit in it. It's awesome.
Totally not worth the money but it's crystal clear, massive and has all the bells and whistles of technical spec of your car at any given time on the road. A very, very cool unit.
I'd be tempted to get it myself, but I'm trying to be smart with my money
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With Discovery pro - is it possible while stationary to:-
1. View the internet ?
2. Watch stuff on BBCi player or Sky Go ?
I was thinking I could plug in my iphone
Thanks
(Waiting for GTD to arrive)
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With the Nav Pro I have installed in my car, you cannot surf the internet, watch BBC iplayer, Sky Go etc.
You can:
1. watch video files, films etc, when stationary
2. with a rsap enabled Phone assign Google Maps to the Sat Nav and view text messages on the screen.
3. do all the usual setting up of the car options, use voice controls, play music, use the phone etc,.
A word of advice is to get the advanced telephone prep if you are intending to use a phone with the Sat Nav. It will allow you to charge via USB.
I am unsure what is possible with the Mirror Link option, but I am led to believe this option will display your phone screen on the Sat Nav (or equivalent in car version). If this is true, then Mirror Link may be your answer to using Internet on the Nav Pro screen and doing the things you listed above.
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Would be interested to know how you got number 2 working if you don't have advanced telephone prep?? With advanced tel prep your supposed to be able to use your phone to tether it to the nav pro to become a WiFi hotspot but that doesn't seem to work either.
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I do not have a rsap phone so cannot tether it to display Text Messages or Google Maps. Unfortunately Nokia Lumia with Windows mobile does not support rsap at present. I have spent many wasted hours discovering this fact. Even more of a pain is that Nokia used to support rsap but since taking on Windows mobile do not any more. So the older Nokia phones with Symbian OS will have more functionality with Nav Pro than the newer Windows Mobile Lumia's. Damn you Microsoft.
Anyway back to topic. I am able to tether my phone via Bluetooth to the Nav Pro and I do get all the usual phone functionality, except displaying Text messages on screen. From what I could read on all the stuff VW have written about displaying text and google maps on Nav Pro as long as your phone is rsap which can be used via bluetooth from I can gather you will get all the extra functionality with the Nav Pro.
To confirm this we need to hear from someone on this forum who has a rsap enabled phone.
For those that don't know rsap means (remote Sim Access Protocol) Apparently even iphone's dont't come with it standard.
It seems a litte bit of an oversight to not include something like rsap in mobiles and as a result remove a lot of functionality when connecting it to your car. A lot of manufacturers like VW, Audi etc,. rely on rsap but phone manufacturers are omitting it from the phones. So all the extra stuff you could do on your Nav Pro is void because your phone will not support it.
Maybe we should create a database of phones which support rsap and allow full functionality with Nav Pro including Google Maps. I feel VW should have had small print on their promotional material for Nav Pro stating the extra functions on Nav Pro require rsap to work.
In regards to tethering the phone to the Nav Pro as a Wifi Hotspot, This is the same as using your phone directly as a wifi hotspot and tethering other devices to it. Which I can do. I can connect up to 8 devices to my phone as a Wifi Hotspot and use my 3G connection as the source which is the same idea, so I do not need to access this feature of Nav Pro, but it would be nice to be able to do this as well, and I suppose if the phone is tethered to advanced phone prep the signal would be stronger with the aerial boosting the 3G signal?
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Apparently VW don't use RSAP? ???
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=266032.10 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=266032.10)
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That is odd? So why did I see that rsap was required to get certain functions to work on the VW literature for text messages and Google Maps?
VW seem to have created a really awkward vague scenario for pairing your phone to the Nav Pro to get the most out of it.
The link you posted Jimble suggest the following
"To get RSAP you need the Premium Telephone kit which is available in every market except the UK. In the UK only the advanced telephone kit is available with the induction box to try and improve the phone signal".
This seems to say the Premium Phone Kit provides rsap to get full functionality from the phone, However we cannot get it in this country, as usual.
Different phones have different versions of the HFP, (hands free protocol) (which is what UK Mk7s connect through) they offer different functionality but they all still rely on the phone's own aerial, unlike RSAP. No one at VW UK seems to know why they don't offer the Premium kit but I think it is either an attempt to encourage people to buy an Audi that does offer it or because someone at VW thinks people only buy iPhones.
This seems to say for standard functionality MK7 Golfs use Hands Free Protocols. Which is why my Phone can connect and provide standard features to the Nav Pro.
I have the advanced telephone kit and to get any improvement in phone signal with my Galaxy S3 requires you to take the phone out of its case first and even then its very marginal. I ended up getting VW to refund me the cost of the advanced telephone kit and I intend to get an aftermarket premium (RSAP) telephone kit fitted.
This part of the post is the most interesting as it suggests rsap maybe required and the only way of obtaining it is fit an aftermarket Premium Phone Kit.
I don't know if I am reading this wrong, but it looks as if rsap may be required for advanced features and for run of the mill standard features of your phone on Nav Pro your phone and Nav Pro will use Hands Free Protocols.
It seems UK VW may be short changing us yet again and other countries may be getting more out of Nav Pro than we are able to in this country?
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@brenbo - how can I get my phone to be a WiFi hotspot for the nav pro? I've tried but can't get anything to connect. I'm also looking into retro fitting the premium phone set up.
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Your phone would not be a wifi hotspot for the nav pro. The way I take it, is the Phone tethers (wired/wireless via bluetooth) to the Nav Pro so the 3G on your sim card can provide an internet connection for the Nav Pro to act as a central hub like a router for multiple devices to connect to via Wifi. This is where the connection debate comes in. I am thinking it is all to do with rsap over Bluetooth connection yet again. I have found this post on another forum which backs this statement
http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2525
It states the following:
There are 2 types of optional bluetooth for the mk7:
Comfort bluetooth (called advanced bluetooth in uk). This has the pocket in the armrest with a signal amplifier connected to the roof aerial. This boosts phone signal. This has no WLAN capability.
Premium bluetooth. The car has it's own 3G receiver. It takes over your phone's sim's details over RSAP or if your phone does not support RSAP a SIM card can be inserted between the 2 SD cards in the glovebox. The car then creates a wifi hotspot in the car. If you also specced Car Net with Discover Pro you get Google Search and Google Earth on the Pro Nav.
It appears, that unless you have rsap enabled phone and/or Nav Pro or Premium Telephone Prep, there maybe no way of using your Nav Pro as a Hotspot. Hence I go back to my point of VW not making it clear about rsap being required for certain features on Nav Pro, and UK maybe getting a lesser version of the Nav Pro unit.
Has anyone got their UK Spec Nav Pro to utilise all features including Wifi Hotspot, Google Earth etc?
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Going off what you've found and said Brenbo Google maps etc will only work with premium phone kit but apparently carnet isn't active for VW users.
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Try this link to answer your questions.
http://volkswagen-carnet.com/int/en/start.html
go to the GTI page and read the small print at the bottom. It states you require rsap bluetooth Phone and extent of availability for Car-Net varies between Countries, i.e. unless someone in the UK has it and can tell me otherwise (hope so as I really want it myself) UK does not have Car-Net available for the GTI, only the e-UP.
I have now confirmed Car-Net is not available here in UK, if you go to the Car-Net website link above and change the country then go to the 'I am interested in a model with Car-Net' button the models available differ dependent on the country you select. For example as stated already we only have the e-up and other countries have the GTI with Car-Net available.
Some of us may have been mislead in to thinking we could use Car-Net in UK and do all those extra amazing things while the cold harsh reality is we have a watered down experience of Nav Pro compared to other countries. Even though Nav Pro is still a great unit to have installed in your GTI/GTD I am starting to feel a little short changed with what is missing in UK.
Someone please prove me wrong :huh:
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No I think your spot on brenbo. When I read the spec sheets before I bought the car I was under the impression car net would be available in the UK and my rsap phone could be the WiFi hotspot etc etc. Along the way though vw chopped and changed the specification available in the UK. Seems strange that Audi in the UK do have it yet vw don't.
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Personally I feel completely misled by VW UK over this and had I known I would have bought the A3 instead. When I purchased my GTD it was on the VW.com website that the GTD and GTI would be the first cars in the UK to have carnet which was one of the main reasons I upgraded to pro. The other function carnet offers is a far better internet traffic data for avoiding jams.
All Samsung. galaxy S3/4/5s have RSAP and you can get an app for most Android phones that don't have it. RSAP is so fundamentally better than HFP, I am amazed that all decent phones don't have it. There might also be health benefits as you don't have a high powered wireless device in your pocket or about your person the phone just has to make a low powered Bluetooth connection to the car. I'm just hoping that aftermarket installers in the UK will be able to offer the premium module very soon, if anyone has any suggestions?
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Thanks guys for confirming I haven't gone off on a tangent. The Nav Pro is still an amazing bit of kit, just not as amazing as I initially thought it would have been when configuring the car last year. It's a bit sad the only car at present in UK to have Car-Net is the e-UP. It's not even a flagship model or range of VW.
I will probably get Nav Pro in the next car unless it is fitted standard, which I suspect it will not. But I most definitely will be reading all small print on options fitted to the next car, incase VW decide to be as vague as they have been with the GTI having Car-Net. :rolleyes:
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I'm going to investigate retro fitting premium Bluetooth.
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Please keep us posted on how you get on.
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Will be good to know if we can get any extra functionality from Nav Pro once and for all. I suspect it will give you extra features like Text messages on screen, but am not so sure about the Google Maps overlay on the Sat Nav. But I really hope I am wrong and it does give you all features we desire. Fingers Crossed.
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Brenbo - If the e up has car net capability then the rest of the vw range should have it also. They can't limit who has access surely??
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If you think logically about, then I would agree with you. But if you go on the Car-Net link I posted and set the page to United Kingdom it will show only the e-UP has compatibility with Car-Net.
If this is correct, then it is a bit of a cheek to tell us Car-Net will be available when we bought our cars with Nav Pro last year only to go back on their sales patter and only offer it on an e-UP this year. While France, Germany etc,. can have Car-Net on their GTI's.
To add extra salt in the wound I have just tried the Car-Net website again and it shows that France have Car-Net available on the whole Golf range and e-UP, while we only have it available on the e-UP. :huh:
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It is very unreliable, regular map locks, radio not working- locking up, DAB reception can be very patchy, erratic display of artwork. When it works though it is very good.
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Very Sad to hear your Nav Pro is playing up Andyl. Mine has not displayed any of these errors. It looks like you have had a dodgy unit installed in your car. Unsure if there is anything you can do about it. But have you spoken to VW about it, as it looks like something you could see about getting fixed?
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Brenbo - I re read the manual this morning on the nav po and the wlan option on the head unit isn't even on. I could swear it was on the first day I picked my car up and the only thing that's been done since was to update the maps. If the wlan button was available we could have carnet services. Says nothing about it not being available in the UK just south Korea. I wonder if vcds on the nav unit would enable the wlan function? Going to dealer to get touch up pen so going to complain to them. Incidentally my firmware is 0194 so maybe if anyone has a newer or older version could see if the wlan button is present. Other option is someone with advanced phone prep to check too. Got a feeling it's vw telling us porkies again even though it's written down in black and white.
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Sounds like a start in the right direction. However I feel it may be a case that although the Hardware is ready to provide the service, Car-Net may still not be available due to firmware etc, for our Nav Pro units. It appears Car-Net is available in the UK as the e-UP can recieve it as a service. But can someone get a GTI Nav Pro unit to receive Car0Net in UK, I do hope so?
Let me know your findings and progress. I have also seen the notice in the Manual about not being available in Korea but no mention of not being available in UK? I suspect this may have been written when VW were planning on Car-Net being official launched for the Nav Pro on GTI models last year. Since then It appears nothing has happened and the idea has not materialised yet for GTI's in UK as originally planned?
I will checkout the WLAN option on Nav Pro in my Car. I have not updated any maps or firmware in my car since pick up from the dealer.
What I have noticed on my Nav Pro are the missing extra option buttons which should be available if rsap is an active connection between the Nav Pro and a Phone.
Lets hope you can get a bit closer to solving this mess VW have left with all the Confusion about Car-Net and rsap.
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There are options there in the adaptation fields for WLAN, and I did switch them on but nothing. I still feel that to get WLAN and ultimately CARNET is a hardware change of the infotainment controller in the glovebox. The one's with CARNET have the 3rd slot for a sim card so must have additional hardware internally (a WLAN card for one) which the "standard" cars just don/t have.
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I thought it was made clear from the outset that the UK models couldn't receive CARNET so I don't know what all the fuss is about. Yes it would be great if that option existed but I in no way feel as though I've been mis-sold a piece of equipment as others seem to suggest they have been.
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The fuss is about vw saying you can use your existing mobile phone connection when in reality you can't. It was one of the things over and above the bog standard nav which made it more appealing (apart from the big screen obviously). The manual states you don't need advanced phone prep and mentions options we don't even have on the nav pro. I've been into the dealer to pick up a touch up pen this morning and mentioned this to the master tech who is gong to find out for me. He knows what I'm asking and what I'm talking about so hopefully should get something resolved even if it's a definite no.
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Thanks guys for helping to clear the confusion. I don't feel as if I have been mis-sold a piece of equipment in the sense of I would not have purchased it other wise, as the Nav Pro is still a great bit of kit I would not be without. However I feel that things could have been clearer when i first signed the dotted line for the car and configured my car. I was lead to believe the Nav Pro could do all the extra Google Map, and WLAN stuff. However later on this was not the case. But back then I did not have a smart phone and so these options would not have made much difference to me on the configuration.
However since then I have purchased a Smart Phone and looked in to the possibilities a little deeper and it was not completely crystal clear that Car-Net was not available in the UK for the GTI without a lot of digging around on google. However the lack of a Sim Card slot on the Nav Pro unit in the glove box does dictate this to be the case.
Overall I am more than pleased with my Nav Pro, and whether it was clear or not about the Car-Net, rsap, and WLAN options I am still more than happy with my purchase. It just would have been nice to have the extra functions other countries have access to :smiley:
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This months VW driver magazine has a feature on the e up, golf e and golf gte and it mentions car net. Car net for those models is talking about a smartphone app for charging, heating and cooling so slightly different to what we are talking about here.
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I noticed the app as well when I found the Car-Net website. It shows a pic of the e-Up and iPhone with app showing the charge status of the car. Maybe Car-Net is being directed and pushed more for electric/hybrid cars in the UK, where as elsewhere in Europe it is for a wider market?
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Audi have similar to car net called Audi connect.
It has a SIM slot like you say, however you don't need a SIM in the slot to access the online service as this can all be done via the mobile and rSap. This includes WLAN
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That's exactly how the vw is supposed to work.